On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, at 4:26pm, Jon Hall wrote:
> So his campaign worked, to a large extent.
Unfortunately, his campaign also alienated a lot of (potential)
supporters. I have to wonder if he didn't end up with a net loss.
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Hi,
When RMS started the campaign, I thought it was a big pain in the butt. On
the other hand, I did agree that the work that the FSF and others (XFree86,
KDE, etc.) was getting lost in the commotion about "Linux".
While I still tend to call the OS "Linux", now I mention the FSF and the
other g
Maybe we should call it:
G/linl - Gnu/linux is not linux.
That should clear up all the confusion ;)
-Andy
"Kenneth E. Lussier" wrote:
>
> As I was parusing Kero5hin, I came accross a great article. It is a
> public apology to the Linux world for getting RMS on the "
As I was parusing Kero5hin, I came accross a great article. It is a
public apology to the Linux world for getting RMS on the "GNU/Linux"
kick. Funny read
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2002/8/1/04512/12614
C
Aggressive 'random audits' during the sales process may be leading
schools away from MS.
:)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1F5469E
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Hi all,
I need to get an article in the March, 2002, vol. 35 #3 issue of the
IEEE Computer journal. The name of the article is:
Self Organization and Identification of Web Communities
authors: Flake, Lawrence, Giles, Coetzee
My wife needs this for a paper she's writing
>
>
>Good one! I like that...
>
JFeole
>
>Yes, it's the Windows "Nonexistent Edition."
>
>It doesn't do much, but they finally fixed all the security holes!
>
>Rich Cloutier
>President, C*O
>SYSTEM SUPPORT SERVICES
>www.sysupport.com
>
>
>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Also, Evidently
> Microsoft convinced the German Parliament to continue using Windows
> NE.
WINDOWS.NE - Windows Not Enough.
On 5 Mar 2002 at 14:55, Derek D. Martin wrote:
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> At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly:
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> > I love it when this type of thing shows up on MSnbc :)
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.com/new
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> I love it when this type of thing shows up on MSnbc :)
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/718622.asp
The thing that I find interesting is how many of the details they
flubbed. For e
"It would be irresponsible to entrust the work of Parliament to
closed-source software."
Jorg Tauss, Deputy for the Social Democrats, when asked about
switching the Parliments MS servers to Linux
Nice quote!
Rich
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>
> I love it when this type of thing shows up
I love it when this type of thing shows up on MSnbc :)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/718622.asp
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ysteriously
disappearing and will continue keeping an eye out (both for a
replacement package and for bugs in the existing package). There's also
the possiblity that you merely haven't exposed all of the comments - use
the "Flat" or "Nested" display of comments (instea
nix" law
will serve only to instill fears - welcome to Linux, you good for
nothing #$%.
In fact, as I review the article, I see that many of my comments no
longer remain (though a few do remain). I post, but they are removed by
someone with administrative privileges. Mike: this does not a
Paul Lussier wrote:
> What he asked for just simply doesn't exist. That doesn't mean it
> can't or it won't, just that it doesn't now. [...] If this thing
> comes about at all, it will be because those who need it decide to
> band together and develop it themselves
NOW we're getting somewhe
In a message dated: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:54:38 EST
Ray Bowles said:
>Somebody keeps saying it's been done this way for 30
>years...Well maybe it's time to update SOME things.
Ray, you seem to have completely misunderstood everything everyone
has said, at least on this side of the argument.
Thi
*** On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 at 1:34pm RABNUD shared this with the class::
> and he watches the gears spin. Psst: (whisper) they just learned
> something and quietly gained confidence in the cli aspect of Linux
> .
I don't know you from a hole in the wall, but you have got to be the
smartest p
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 17:45, Rich C wrote:
> Right, the man pages are a reference work. That's the way I have always
> considered them. You don't start reading the reference section of a
> programmers manual to learn a new language, do you? Of course not. Man pages
> are NOT a help system. For th
In a message dated: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:23:50 EST
"Derek D. Martin" said:
>And how could I forget to mention Evi Nemeth's wonderful "Unix System
>Administration Handbook" which now covers Linux (but focuses on Red
>Hat). She will soon be releasing a Linux-specific version of the book
>as well,
Thanks for posting this Mike - I've been waiting for some of the regular
"subscribers" to at least mention the web site (visit and offering to
help maintain it would be nice too).
> I just posted some FAQs to the news web site that might answer
some of your questions. (I chose to point out
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> What is needed in a help system is something like what VMS had, but for
> subject keywords like backup, restore, copy, directory, and stuff like that.
> The help system doesn't really have to do much
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, RABNUD wrote:
>
> At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
>
> >I''ll toss around ideas with anyone, or walk them through an install or
> >whatever ... but I won''t make it sound easy. It isn''t. But it''s
> >doable, and it can become easier. It''s just more differen
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>
> In a message dated: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:48:49 EST
> Greg Kettmann said:
>
> >Sorry to pipe in, but I must. The fact is that the learning / us
In a message dated: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:48:49 EST
Greg Kettmann said:
>Sorry to pipe in, but I must. The fact is that the learning / use curve of
>Linux, particularly compared to Windows, is very high.
Yes, that's absolutely true. But look at the reason why! What were
they each designed to
In a message dated: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:37:41 EST
Bill Sconce said:
>Truly so. And the man pages have no index;
Why do people keep saying this? Has no one ever used 'whatis',
'apropos', or 'man -k'? What more of an index do you need?
I'm not trying to be a pain the butt, condescending, o
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
This list is only accessed by a box which can surf, a crashed box
usually requires expert skill to surf - you got that far...
But lets not lose track of the goal because step 2 fails... we need only
2 more steps!!
Where does this concept fail..
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
>what is it exactly that you want to learn NEXT?I can tell you how I got
started with Linux. I was taking Unix System Administrationadministering
Unix-like systems, Linux included, hasn''t really changed all that much
on a fundamental level, in t
I think you're missing the point.
There are always people around to help out in a crisis (this list is a perfect
example). If your system is crashed and you are a newbie, you're probably going to
have to get an expert to help. I don't think that you will find that, for example,
X will always cr
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
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At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
Ah! thats fine, I just got confused since the 2 LUGs webpages share a
common GUI.
Fortunately, I had registered here/there (where am I??) a few weeks ago,
so I could also reply *there*.
BTW: Newbies would know the difference between the 2 sites
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
>I''ll toss around ideas with anyone, or walk them through an install or
whatever ... but I won''t make it sound easy. It isn''t. But it''s
doable, and it can become easier. It''s just more different than they
expected - because it''s better. :)<
RABNUD wrote:
>
> A minimal system should still provide help for a newbie
The first time I surreptitiously sat down at a VMS screen, the only
command I could think to type was 'help'. And the response was so
complete that I instantly fell in love. Theretofore my experience
with online assistan
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
>They''ve worked great for over 30 yearsAt one time I was a newbie and
didn''t have a clue about Unix, but I got through by reading man pages,
asking questions on mailing lists and usenet, and surfing the web.<
And behind you there was a functio
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
Try launching a cli email client when you don''t know one exists, try
connecting to a POP3 server when you think POP is a drink, try printing
email messages when the xserver is down and you never printed from a DOS
prompt most M$ people I kno
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
Installed Linuxes >40 times. Success (relative success) only came via
GUI installs: Slackware once got to 640 x 480 1 bit color, and since I
wasn''t already an X Expert Back to Mandrake 8.1 I went.
Before I went back to Mandrake, no CLI help
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> I'm not familiar with any of the others. In print, you might also
> look for I'Reilly's "Running Linux" and/or "Linux Unleashed" which I
> think is a SAMS publication, but I'm not sure.
A
uot;man tar."But I still
think the attempt to assemble a document/executable program that goes
over every fine detail of starting out in Linux is unreasonableWhereas
books
don''t require X or a mouse and you can access them offline 100% of the
time. From
what I recall of the article, th
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At some point hitherto, RABNUD hath spake thusly:
> Sheepishly I admit - I have taken a class in "Intro to Unix" - I can
> grep, after a limited fashion, but as a user I''m still a newbie. But
> lets not even talk about cron, at, cups, NICs etc.
Wel
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
Sheepishly I admit - I have taken a class in "Intro to Unix" - I can
grep, after a limited fashion, but as a user I''m still a newbie. But
lets not even talk about cron, at, cups, NICs etc. In fact, I''ve a bone
to pick with Mandrake regarding de
Every manual is fine. Some are just finer than others ;)
-Mike-
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> At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
>
> Howdy!
>
> Let me say right off that the moderators will certainly edit this post -
> with a huge grin!!
>
> (Hints of an online me
At http://news.gnhlug.org/article.php?sid=375 is:
Howdy!
Let me say right off that the moderators will certainly edit this post -
with a huge grin!!
(Hints of an online message forum leap to the fore)
>There is no shortage of printed material at
any self respecting bookstore on any partic
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> At some point hitherto, Greg Kettmann hath spake thusly:
> > It has always amazed me just how recalcitrant the Linux community is about
> > making the system easier to use. Note that I didn't say le
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 5:43pm Derek D. Martin shared this with the class::
>
> That's great! But it's really hard to do that in an e-mail...
>
> And of course they learn less by having you do it for them, if they
> are at all like most people.
I find that not to be the case. In my exa
I don't think that anyone has tried to imply that any single source, be it
books, man pages, etc., was the key to success with Linux. The article in
discussion here touched on the deficiencies of man pages as well as other
non-indexed references, command line or other.
One could argue
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> It has always amazed me just how recalcitrant the Linux community is about
> making the system easier to use. Note that I didn't say less complex. Just
> some way to lower the entry bar.
I
Sorry to pipe in, but I must. The fact is that the learning / use curve of
Linux, particularly compared to Windows, is very high. I completely agree
that the man pages are confusing. They often lack real world examples as
well. This can be very imposing to the new user. The response "well the
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Bill Sconce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Truly so. And the man pages have no index;
>
Not a full index, but man -k (aka apropos(1)) and whatis(1)
are fairly useful for this. No?
The gnu special: man -K is slow (at least on my old HW) but I
guess technically acts as a
I've been using Linux (with varying success, ya), since Yggdrasil days.
Everything which has been written here seems valid to me. (Yes,
including the post which is latest as I write this, which is
essentially YARTFM (believe it or not.))
Among the sapient (IMO) comments:
Michael Bovee wrote:
>
In a message dated: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:08:21 EST
"Mansur, Warren" said:
>One problem I see with man pages is that they throw off the newbie user
>by putting every possible option at the top. If a new user sees this,
>they will probably be as confused as ever:
Well, yes, but I often find that
Michael,
I would say that some of the challenges you face are arch
specific (choosing to start on PPC). Now this isn't a criticism, but the
problem you run into is that while there are probably a handleful of
people on this list that can help you with doing X, booting a PPC machine
i
Well, as another newbie I guess I'll chime in here with a few
lighthearted comments.
Bottom line -- its not easy being a newbie ;0)
Its fun to hear something of what's going on for the experts on this
list, but most of the time I don't understand what is being
discussed. That's okay, its stil
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At some point hitherto, Ray Bowles hath spake thusly:
> have walked at least 6 of my friends through Linux installs,
> Bind/Apache/Sendmail/MySQL and other installs and never once did I say
> RTFM.
That's great! But it's really hard to do that in a
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> I was actually on a newsgroup where someone had never user tar before.
> They read the man page, and after trying and trying to understand all
> the options they just got frustrated and poste
ssage -
From: "Bruce Dawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:30 PM
Subject: Interesting Newbie article at CentraLUG.org
> What appears to be a rather frustrated newbie posted the following
> article at the
reasonable. Whereas books
don't require X or a mouse and you can access them offline 100% of the time. From
what I recall of the article, they fit all of the author's needs.
-Mike-
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> *** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 1:36pm Michael C
In my opinion, SUN puts out a good series called BLUEPRINTS. Many times
it will compare and contrast differing OS's as examples, i.e., "if you're
an NT administrator and you know how to manage user group privilages, here
is how it is done in Solaris".
I agree that there is an abundance of docume
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 1:36pm Michael Costolo shared this with the class::
> I think that there is something to be said for arming yourself with as much book
> knowledge as possible, especially when experience is lacking *before* you take on
> something like a new operating system. There is
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 4:08pm Mansur, Warren shared this with the class::
> One advantage of man pages is being able to pipe them into other
> commands such as grep, whereas interactive help doesn't allow for pipes.
Don't forget the audience. would a newbie need to look at the man pages
for
ther frustrated newbie posted the following
> > article at the CentraLUG web site:
> >
> > http://www.centralug.org/article.php?sid=37
>
> Anyone have ideas on how to help. I think he has a decent idea. Heck, if
> it came down to it and someone wrote the logic I would type the
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*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 3:30pm Bruce Dawson shared this with the
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> What appears to be a rather frustrated newbie posted the following
> article at the CentraLUG web site:
>
> http://www.centralug.or
*** On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 at 3:30pm Bruce Dawson shared this with the class::
> What appears to be a rather frustrated newbie posted the following
> article at the CentraLUG web site:
>
> http://www.centralug.org/article.php?sid=37
Anyone have ideas on how to help. I think he has a
What appears to be a rather frustrated newbie posted the following
article at the CentraLUG web site:
http://www.centralug.org/article.php?sid=37
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Robert Bork was never a Judge on The Supreme Court. He was nominated, but
his nomination was not approved by the Senate. We was, however, US
Solicitor General as well as a judge and did have a distinguished career.
Paul Lussier wrote:
>
> If you haven't already, read this artic
If you haven't already, read this article at Linux Planet. It's a
discussion with form Supreme Court Justice Robert Bork about the PFJ
in the Microsoft case:
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/4020/1/
It's a very good read.
-
>Microsoft's principal interest was in ensuring that
>its Windows CE operating system was in the box rather
>than improving the consumer experience.
Well, they had to make a choice, right?
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Hop on over to the New York Times article at
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/07/technology/ebusiness/07GADG.html
(free registration required -- ick) and scroll about 2/3 of the down for
this classic quote:
Mr. Perlman said that after Microsoft acquired WebTV for $425 million
in April 1997
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[snip]
> > As far as the hardware demands of recent Linux systems, the reaso
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Don't know if anyone read the article linked off of /. last night
about "How to make Software Projects fail", but it's quite
interesting. Here's a choice quote:
http://www.softwaremarketsolution.com/
"Moore's law makes much of the whining about bl
I found this on securityfocus, it has some interesting points, maybe we
should send it to someone who cares:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/26
Derek
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Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst,
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14924
This article highlights some of the potential consequences of our own
fear for our safety, after the events of last Tuesday. A must read
for those of you who care about your freedom
For those who missed it, there was a Linux article in the Nashua
Telegraph this past Sunday (two days ago). The front page to the
business section had a half-page graphic of Tux at his birthday party
:-) The article references GNHLUG and few of our members.
The two parts of the article can be
Hey all,
"Trinity drinks deeply at learning's open source"
http://it.mycareer.com.au/news/2001/06/05/FFX9ZT7UENC.html
The above is an excellent article on Fairfax IT's website about one school's
use of Linux, GNU, and other Open Source/Free Software. Desc
Actually, the GPL doesn't require you make all your software Open Source
(GPL) - only stuff derived from the GPL'd code. Of course, the MPL also
does that. And yes, Ballmer I'm certain knows this - they are very
specifically confusing the issues.
jeff
"Tony Lambiris" said:
>http://www.sunti
http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html
Besides calling Linux a cancer, he obviously has his licenses mixed up. I
quote: "Open source is not available to commercial companies. The way the
license is written, if you use any open-source software, you have to make
the rest of your s
The current (May) American Spectator magazine has an article by Andy Kessler arguing
against the proposed breakup of M$ which some may enjoy reading.
Some tidbits:
"Judge Judy, please don't break up Microsoft. We have them just where we want them,
stuck in a corner with wet pa
All,
Since I didn't make it to tonights CNHLUG meeting, I'll mention this on the
list instead. There is a great article in this months Linux Journal on
Bastille-Linux. It steps through download, installation, and configuration.
Anyone interested in securing a Linux system should t
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Thomas M. Albright wrote:
> > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:
> > >
> > > > I found this to be a fairly good article. It's about the current trends in
> > > > Linux companies, and what the future could ho
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:
> >
> > > I found this to be a fairly good article. It's about the current trends in
> > > Linux companies, and what the future could hold for them. The one thing
> > > that I didn't like was that they
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Thomas M. Albright wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:
>
> > I found this to be a fairly good article. It's about the current trends in
> > Linux companies, and what the future could hold for them. The one thing
> > tha
In a message dated: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:02:58 EST
"Thomas M. Albright" said:
>Having read the artivle more closely, I can tell this guy didn't do a
>whole lot of research. Just as a f'rinstance: Linuxmall.com bout out
>Ebiz, not the other way around.
>
>Sorry. Little rant. I'm better now.
Ahm, n
ne only
counts licenses sold, and we all know what that means for Linux). I saw a
survey recently that Mandrake is the best seller in the US right now. Of
course, none of these things say anything about Debian, because they don't
sell there distro!
Also, although alluded to early in the artic
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:
> I found this to be a fairly good article. It's about the current trends in
> Linux companies, and what the future could hold for them. The one thing
> that I didn't like was that they completely ignored Debian. I assume this
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:
> I found this to be a fairly good article. It's about the current trends in
> Linux companies, and what the future could hold for them. The one thing
> that I didn't like was that they completely ignored Debian. I assume this
I found this to be a fairly good article. It's about the current trends in
Linux companies, and what the future could hold for them. The one thing
that I didn't like was that they completely ignored Debian. I assume this
is because Debian isn't a company, but I find it hard to
There is a DSL article on zdnet today. It doesn't really say anything that
hasn't gone across this newsgroup a couple weeks ago (big surprise) but it's
interesting to see some of what was being said here "confirmed" by The
Press. ;-) Basically restates that the baby-B
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> > Are they getting behind linux, or are they getting behind "threat number
> > one" for Microsoft?
>
> "The enemy of my enemy is my friend?"
>
I don't think so. ;)
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> My point exactly. If the community starts to expect support from
> these corporate entities, it will suffer when they inevitably withdraw
> that support. My point was that no matter how much they talk the
> talk, these corporate entities are not part of the Linux community in
> the same sense
mike ledoux wrote:
> My point exactly. If the community starts to expect support from
> these corporate entities, it will suffer when they inevitably withdraw
> that support. My point was that no matter how much they talk the
> talk, these corporate entities are not part of the Linux community i
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Are they getting behind linux, or are they getting behind "threat number
> >> one" for Microsoft?
> >
> >"The enemy of my enemy is my friend?"
>
> That kind of thinking has a nasty tendancy to backfire in the long
> run. The Linux community woul
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> >> Are they getting behind linux, or are they getting behind "threat number
> >> one" for Microsoft?
> >
> >"The enemy of my enemy is my friend?"
>
> That kind of thinking has a nasty tendancy to backfire in the long
> run. The Linux community would be wise to avoid it.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Are they getting behind linux, or are they getting behind "threat number
>>> one" for Microsoft?
>>
>>"The enemy of my enemy is my friend?"
>
> That kind of thinking has a nasty tendancy to backfire in the long run.
> The Linux community would be
Niall Kavanagh said:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Tony Lambiris wrote:
>
> > Steve Ballmer, Microsoft's generally upbeat chief executive officer,
> > publicly acknowledged this for the first time: "I'd put the Linux phenomenon
> > really as threat number one," he said.
> >
> > har har har.
> >
> > Bu
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Niall Kavanagh wrote:
> Are they getting behind linux, or are they getting behind "threat number
> one" for Microsoft?
In many cases, both. Something that both helps their customers and hurts
their competition is a pretty big win, in their eyes. :-)
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Ben Scott <[EMAIL
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Tony Lambiris wrote:
> Steve Ballmer, Microsoft's generally upbeat chief executive officer,
> publicly acknowledged this for the first time: "I'd put the Linux phenomenon
> really as threat number one," he said.
>
> har har har.
>
> But seriously, it's unfortunate they see
In a message dated: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:21:10 EST
Jeffry Smith said:
>http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4123037,00.html
Here's a *fantastic* quote:
"One reason that few people are aware there are programs running
the internet is that they n
That quote was taken from The Register... I would never call anyone from MS
'upbeat'. :P
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