[GNU-linux-libre] gnu.org "Free GNU/Linux distributions" list updates

2017-08-04 Thread bill-auger
a few months ago, i discussed some updates that should be made to the "Free GNU/Linux distributions" page on gnu.org with donaldr on the IRC https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html he asked me to remind him via email and i since took the time to thoroughly review the status of all of the li

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] gnu.org "Free GNU/Linux distributions" list updates

2017-08-05 Thread bill-auger
jean - what henry was saying is that it is not easy to find out which distros get reviewed, or when, or what the results are - for example, i have heard that liberty-bsd is being evaluated right now but i dont think this is actually publicly stated anywhere - i was the one who added liberty-bsd to

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Reviewing ConnochaetOS

2017-08-06 Thread bill-auger
regarding the suggestion on the website of using another distro - the exact wording id this: > "If you are looking for a libre Slackware x86_64 variant you are welcome to use the x86_64 slack-n-free repo and have a look at the FreeSlack project." to be clear, this is not explicitly recommending

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] gnu.org "Free GNU/Linux distributions" list updates

2017-08-07 Thread bill-auger
firstly, let me say that i am pleased that this thread has gotten so much attention - judging only by the activity on the libreplanet wiki, the amount of interest in this distro list was not apparent frankly, i would like to address that and to continue the discussion of transparency generally be

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] gnu.org "Free GNU/Linux distributions" list updates

2017-08-07 Thread bill-auger
not that anyone asked but jaromil may be pleased to hear that dynebolic v1 was (i think) the 2nd distro i ever tried before i ever heard of GNU or the FSF - liveCDs were quite "cutting-edge" then and it seemed like a very easy way to try out this nerdy "linux" thing i had been hearing about - i ca

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] youtube-dl might be running non-free software from

2017-09-16 Thread bill-auger
On 09/16/2017 07:58 PM, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > YouTube always distributes resampled copies of audiovisual material. that statement alone is enough to make a purist cringe - it just goes to show that people who use youtube do not have very much concern for quality, neither producers nor consumer

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] youtube-dl might be running non-free software from

2017-09-16 Thread bill-auger
i should add that i have heard there are some archive.org enthusiasts working on a script to automatically fetch "CC" licensed videos from youtube and upload them to archive.org - that to me, has the form of an actual solution - but mostly what i see is everyone bending over backward to preserve th

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Freedom issue, originally posted on Parabola bug tracker] Blender, SuperTuxKart and The Battle for Wesnoth.

2017-09-19 Thread bill-auger
On 08/13/2017 12:07 PM, 8jqvs6+844uxnsb5w...@guerrillamail.com wrote: > They're rejected to remove the downloader: > https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/issues/1897 someone just showed me an interesting twist regarding this today - it appears that the wesnooth developers have changed their websi

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] uruk gnu/linux

2017-12-23 Thread bill-auger
On 12/23/2017 01:56 PM, Caleb Herbert wrote: > So many distros, so little resources... > > This fragmentation leads to free distros that are poorly maintained, > like BLAG. > and duplicates such as the ubuntu-based trisquel, uruk, and ututo - and the debian-based pureos which would be as redund

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Trisquel-devel] FSDG question: extension of bleachbit patch for Trisquel

2017-12-26 Thread bill-auger
list > trisquel-de...@listas.trisquel.info > https://listas.trisquel.info/mailman/listinfo/trisquel-devel > --- On 12/26/2017 01:43 PM, bill-auger wrote: > i will add again what i said at that meeting - i think it is safe to &g

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Trisquel-devel] FSDG question: extension of bleachbit patch for Trisquel

2017-12-26 Thread bill-auger
On 12/26/2017 08:52 PM, Luke Shumaker wrote: > > .DS_Store is a macOS thing, not a Windows thing, isn't it? > yea probably - i was thinking of the thumbnail cache files windows adds into in each folder that is browsed with the file manager - they are named thumbs.db or something like that si

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [Trisquel-devel] FSDG question: extension of bleachbit patch for Trisquel

2017-12-26 Thread bill-auger
regarding my suggestion to change the labels in the GUI to not mention the brand names of the programs that created them - i should have qualified that with: "if the FSDG requires any changes to this program" - but i am not convinced that any changes are required the only reason i suggest that may

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-17 Thread bill-auger
where is this ticket that you reference? gnu.org #1262331 - it is not on the CC list - is that a on public tracker? On 01/17/2018 11:45 AM, Therese Godefroy via RT wrote: > Should a distro that hasn't been maintained for several years be listed in free-distros.html, especially if it is based on a

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-17 Thread bill-auger
On 01/17/2018 04:32 PM, Jason Self wrote: > That's already a thing: One of the criteria in the GNU FSDG is that "to > be listed, a distribution should be actively maintained." i would strongly suggest that guideline be changed to require the distro only to be available and functional and to remove

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-17 Thread bill-auger
On 01/17/2018 05:30 PM, Jason Self wrote: > It's a ticketing system used to handle certain email addresses like > webmast...@gnu.org (and more), which seems to be where the person > originally wrote to. > then the obvious question would be if the OP will see these replies if they are not subscr

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-17 Thread bill-auger
On 01/17/2018 06:42 PM, Jason Self wrote: > They wouldn't. I imagine that the webmasters will handle the replying of > email that's sent to them? Maybe this was sent as food for thought or > something? > hm - i would have expected fewer question marks in that response considering the number o

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] add uruk gnu/linux

2018-01-19 Thread bill-auger
On 01/19/2018 03:19 AM, alimira...@riseup.net wrote: > hi > What about add uruk gnu/linux to gnu free list > I asck this Questions again > Let's finish this long long story > the FSDG says to request evaluation by sending an email to with a description of the system and a link to the distro web

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] add uruk gnu/linux

2018-01-19 Thread bill-auger
On 01/19/2018 02:51 PM, Robert Call wrote: > could the FSF maybe start a page > on https://libreplanet.org that would show : the distros that have > asked the FSF to be reviewed, which ones have started the public review there is such a page: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Incoming_distros AFAIK

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] PureOS added to endorsed distro list - what about the kernel?

2018-01-20 Thread bill-auger
Alexandre - thanks for that detailed explanation - i have been curious about this myself - i must say though that it did not address what is the actual behavior preventing the debian kernel from being acceptable, which as i understand is not related to its ability to load any modules but simply th

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] add uruk gnu/linux

2018-01-20 Thread bill-auger
my first though this morning was to claim a highly coveted GNU-Buck by reporting the purio.sm non-free repos as this does appear to be exactly the same thing that makes debian nonFSDG; but after some thought, i realizedthere is a distinction in that debian exists solely for the purpose of producing

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] PureOS non-free repo

2018-01-20 Thread bill-auger
On 01/20/2018 12:34 AM, Jean Louis wrote: > > The question is does the update of the Intel > Management Engine constitute part of the operating > system or not? the FSDG does not make any distinction as to whether or not non-free software in question is part of the OS - the issue is whether or n

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] PureOS non-free repo

2018-01-20 Thread bill-auger
On 01/20/2018 01:54 PM, Caleb Herbert wrote: > >> So in some ways maybe it could be seen as similar to RPM Fusion? > > That's what I think, and it makes sense that the RPM Fusion method was > accepted, because the FSDG derives from Fedora guidelines. to be clear, the "RPM Fusion method" is acc

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-21 Thread bill-auger
On 01/21/2018 02:08 PM, Therese Godefroy via RT wrote: > Now that the issue has been thoroughly discussed, could anyone on the > gnu-linux-libre write blurbs for the problematic distros im not convinced that there are any problematic distros other than blag - and even that one has been disputed

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-21 Thread bill-auger
On 01/21/2018 02:22 PM, Jason Self wrote: > I think we should wait for someone from the Licensing and Compliance > Lab, or the FSF at large, to reply before making any changes to that page. indeed - i meant only to show that even the clearly incorrect parts take a long time to be changed - in cont

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-24 Thread bill-auger
'www.' is indeed just a convention but it is not a "traditional" thing of the past that should go away - it's meaning is still as well defined and useful today as it ever was - sub-domains are very plainly a way to distinguish one machine or service from the various other services that may be offer

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-25 Thread bill-auger
On 01/25/2018 01:28 PM, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: > To clarify, I agree with you and Luke down below that www subdomain is nice > and useful. It's only the tacit assumption that www.whatever.com = > whatever.com that I find annoying :) > you quoted me but i also suggested that it is inappropriate t

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-26 Thread bill-auger
ok - so to steer us back on topic i can say that i tried to build blag last week using the scripts posted a few months ago on the trisquel forum - as to be expected, there were issues the scripts are based on a fedora v20 target system and require packages from corresponding versioned repos on fe

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1262331] (inactive Linux distributions)

2018-01-30 Thread bill-auger
after some more prodding i was able to get the BLAG scripts to build ISOs based on fedora and free-dora v27 for each of the openbox and LXDE configurations for both i386 and x86_64 - the build does succeed without the 'kernel-libre-firmware' package - the configs had, for some reason, a glob *-fir

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Discussing the FSF endorsement process going forward

2018-02-27 Thread bill-auger
i dont think speed or efficiency was ever a problem or even an objective - regardless of who was "active" or "pro-active" whatever that means :) the key thing that was elucidated in this announcement is that there was little transparency - regardless of what was happening or not happening, either o

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Discussing the FSF endorsement process going forward

2018-02-27 Thread bill-auger
i like this announcement very much :) i really must say "Thanks to Bob" as well - but then i really must point out that i also tried to make the FSF aware of that same "Incoming_distros" page[1] and "FreedSoftware" libreplanet group[2] about six months ago - when i raised the very same issues that

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Discussing the FSF endorsement process going forward

2018-02-28 Thread bill-auger
On 02/28/2018 12:08 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > It would be good to have your own > workflow. Steps, one by one on what is to be > done. > > Not just a checklist for free system > distributions, but rather a checklist for the > whole process. the only thing that the announcement does mention regardi

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Discussing the FSF endorsement process going forward

2018-03-01 Thread bill-auger
just to point out that there is the 'Free_System_Distribution_Checklist'[1] on the libreplanet wiki; though it could be more complete and rigorous so that all criteria are not as subject to interpretation as some are written now [1]: https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2017-08/

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Updated process instructions on LibrePlanet.org

2018-03-19 Thread bill-auger
some of these criteria will no doubt require clarification - for instance: "1.10 - Other Information for practical use" if not "software" and "documentation" - software and documentation are already covered in sections 1.8 and 1.9 and the FSF does not consider data (raw information) or art to be "p

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Updated process instructions on LibrePlanet.org

2018-03-20 Thread bill-auger
thanks - that was a good explanation - the FSDG really only speaks of "software, documentation, fonts, and other data" as being functional and "artistic works and statements of opinion" as non-functional - it is non-intuitive see any "data" as being functional - even source code is just data until

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Updated process instructions on LibrePlanet.org

2018-03-20 Thread bill-auger
ok ive translated the revised checklist into a proper wiki template[1] that has the look and behavior of a checklist - and the criteria entries themselves are links to the relevant DSFG sections so the previous lookup table is not needed this will make creating new distro pages and maintaining the

[GNU-linux-libre] what of the distros that have already asked for consideration or have been partially evaluated?

2018-03-21 Thread bill-auger
i just re-worded the work-flow related headings on the "incoming distros" wiki page to avoid confusion - most notably the former heading: "Distros ready to be evaluated by the FSF licensing team" which had four distros listed beneath - that was changed to: "Distros that have requested consideration

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] what of the distros that have already asked for consideration or have been partially evaluated?

2018-03-21 Thread bill-auger
krt send this to me personally - i will repost On 03/21/2018 03:22 PM, KRT Listmaster wrote: > On 03/21/2018 12:54 PM, bill-auger wrote: > > [...] > >> info - it is not clear though if freeslack or libertybsd have explicitly >> expressed interest - without combing over

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] what of the distros that have already asked for consideration or have been partially evaluated?

2018-03-22 Thread bill-auger
On 03/21/2018 11:42 PM, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: > This is consistent with the existing policy of > not continually evaluating the distro after it's been accepted. i dont think that is a formal policy - one of the strict criteria is to be "actively maintained" - i would like to think that it is only

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] what of the distros that have already asked for consideration or have been partially evaluated?

2018-03-22 Thread bill-auger
On 03/22/2018 03:30 PM, Donald Robertson wrote: > But we don't have to assume that > is needed just because a lot of time has passed. > i think that is a valid concern though - to allow for some "on-hold" phase and for when it becomes clear that the distro maintainers are expressing no interest o

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] what of the distros that have already asked for consideration or have been partially evaluated?

2018-03-22 Thread bill-auger
On 03/22/2018 04:08 PM, bill-auger wrote: > This could be considered as an some reasonably brief amount of time oops - i hit 'cut' - that sentence was intended as: This could be considered as an "on-hold" phase for some reasonably brief amount of time signature.a

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] what of the distros that have already asked for consideration or have been partially evaluated?

2018-03-22 Thread bill-auger
On 03/22/2018 05:25 PM, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: > I agree: if a distro can't fix a freedom bug for an extended period of time, > we should assume utter incompetence or bad faith, and there should be a path > to revoke/reset the certification. sure for those blatant reasons - but generally just to

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freeslack website

2018-03-23 Thread bill-auger
On 03/23/2018 11:26 AM, KRT Listmaster wrote: > That's a good point, thanks for pointing it out, it might indeed be > worth removing. Questions: should this criterion be applied across the > board? How does this differ from say, the PureOS website having a > link to the Purism website in the foo

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freeslack website

2018-03-23 Thread bill-auger
as i understand, the final issue preventing free-slack from being endorsed is the word "slack" in their name - which is in conflict with the "no name confusion" criteria so one other thing to point out for the sake of equality is that the connochaetos website refers to the repos it hosts as "The s

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Freeslack website

2018-03-23 Thread bill-auger
On 03/23/2018 03:23 PM, KRT Listmaster wrote: > GNU would fail this same criterion if proposed today. Just a thought. great point - i think it gets right to the core of that somewhat vague criteria - although indefinite, the intention is clearly to avoid confusion - there is no reasonable confus

[GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-24 Thread bill-auger
i have been assuming that the FSDG is intended to be ongoing requirements and not only a guide for initial consideration; and that the post-review adfeno and i did last summer may have been the first, not because it was unwelcome, but only because no one had yet taken the initiative to do it that

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-24 Thread bill-auger
On 03/24/2018 08:47 PM, Jason Self wrote: > I don't understand the desire to boot distros off over how > "maintained" they are. before i read the rest of this - my desire is not to kick any off - i only am trying to clarify the grey areas "actively maintained" is one of the criteria - so what do

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-24 Thread bill-auger
geez, these reactions like: "condemnation" and "punishment" - im really only addressing the most extreme (stick a fork in it) cases here - i did not realize any were ever demoted for any reason for any period of time in the past - that is really all i hoped to establish as a baseline for On 03/24

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-24 Thread bill-auger
On 03/24/2018 09:20 PM, Robert Call wrote: > I don't think kicking distros off the list is a good approach (unless > they show they are not willing to fix real freedom issues). As for > kicking distros that don't release frequently, a better approach might > be to get them the help they need instea

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-24 Thread bill-auger
On 03/24/2018 08:47 PM, Jason Self wrote: > Please feel free to start a review of Ututo or > any other one. ok - that is precisely the intention of this thread to determine if such a review were done and if there were blatent problems then would anything actually be done about that situation im g

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread bill-auger
i really can not speak to any experiences you may have had on this list in the past - i have only been active on this list for about one year and i have not seen anything particularly negative about pureos in that time personally, i have insufficient facts to form an opinion of either pureos or pu

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread bill-auger
On 03/25/2018 11:28 AM, Robert Call wrote: > While I don't agree with Bill's stance the only sentiments i expressed that qualify as a "stance" are that everyone should held to the same standards and that each distro should elect a delegate to participate in these discussions - i should hope those w

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread bill-auger
On 03/25/2018 01:26 PM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > we already passed the distro > review, you can either help us get better > or try to fix review process if you > feel unhappy about it. the assumption here seems to be that distros have no further obligation after the initial review process, other th

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread bill-auger
On 03/25/2018 02:54 PM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > For chromium - I am not in favor for it and as stated I request complete > removal. The thing is - we must find more productive ways of this > because simply removing things means also we remove productivity for > many people (yes we have fork of Fire

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread bill-auger
On 03/25/2018 04:22 PM, Jason Self wrote: > But I don't think that the FSDG requires distros to remove a program > over allegations of freedom problems. no, but the FSDG does specify "No software from the List of software that does not respect the FSDG" - so until the day chromium is removed from

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread bill-auger
On 03/25/2018 11:35 PM, Robert Call wrote: > That is not part of the FSDG! it is one of the checklist items that donald put on the newly codified criteria last week[1] - you are correct though, that it is not specified on the guidelines web page[2] - maybe it will be added soon - i dunno of cour

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread bill-auger
On 03/25/2018 11:47 PM, Jason Self wrote: > Right. And a lot of entries in there have "use version X or later" chromium is however not one of those items - and i quote: Recommended Fix: Remove program/package Use GNU IceCat, or equivalent surely that list needs some attention - i supp

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/25/2018 05:58 AM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > Debian kernel itself is entirely free but there was issues with messages > that was brought to us and we worked on it both in PureOS and Debian at > same time. > > https://tracker.pureos.net/T362 i am curious about this - i thought about tackling i

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/26/2018 06:32 AM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > is  that someone from FSF (Donald?) CC's directly all current delegates > from active distros on topic that reached point of need to be discussed > and solved by distros (aka higher priority topic). That way (at least > for me) we will not be stretche

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/26/2018 10:15 AM, Jason Self wrote: > I'm not sure I'd be onboard with that idea. My understanding is that the > Parabola folk will blacklist a package as soon as an allegation is made that seems an accurate perception to me - in it's current state it is not fit for the task - i would not w

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
Julie this is how it was explained to me - i was a bit mixed up yesterday myself - but henry's first message today made it clear the main problem is not so much mentioning the name of the blob but that the message is presented as an error - "failed to load this blob" - that gives the impression t

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/26/2018 03:27 PM, Donald Robertson wrote: > and at this point we at the FSF need to bring some guidance. there has been a healthy flurry of activity on this list recently and i think the will exists to forgot about any friction in the past and move forward - but i must firmly say that "guid

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/26/2018 05:08 PM, Donald Robertson wrote: > Yes, I apologize if 'guidance' wasn't clear, I meant that we're going to > make a decision and share that with the list. 2 decisions please :) i presume the "a decision" you referred to was the kernel issue - but i can see the issue with 'qt5-webe

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/26/2018 05:35 PM, Donald Robertson wrote: > would you mind > updating it so that the list is not being treated as a blacklist? Thank you. sure, i did interpret it that way myself - i had already named the data key 'non-dsfg-software-cleansed' - on the presumption that it is not a strict blac

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/26/2018 06:02 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > There must be some reason why there are many > topics and posts on Trisquel forum: i would not use forum activity as any measure of the distro itself - if anything, that is only a measure of the community - most of the discussions on the trisquel forum

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/26/2018 10:42 PM, Jason Self wrote: > A repo to point > to consisting of free add-ons would be good. Perhaps something along > the lines of what was done for IceCat plugins to have a list of free > ones on the FSF's Free Software Directory would be a good thing. > free-domium ? freedom-oni

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/26/2018 09:26 PM, Isaac David wrote: > in my mind it's only the [case against Qt-Webengine] (at Parabola) > that rests of pretty shaky grounds: are you saying that you think qt5-webengine is probably acceptable as it is? but chromium still has problems? (and probably iridium and ungoogled)

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread bill-auger
On 03/26/2018 09:26 PM, Isaac David wrote: > > [Ungoogled Chromium]: https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium > [case against Qt-Webengine]: https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1167 little need to post links about chromium now - this is becoming very old news - there is a master thread on the F

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Updated process instructions on LibrePlanet.org

2018-03-27 Thread bill-auger
On 03/27/2018 11:03 AM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > models with shaders, game maps with scripting elements, to be precise: shaders and other scripting elements are not merely "functional"; they are literally source code signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-27 Thread bill-auger
On 03/27/2018 09:39 AM, Chris Lamb wrote: > First, just to clarify, this is to do with seeing firmware quote-errors- > unquote when running update-initramfs and actually nothing to do with > messages originating from the kernel / "dmesg". thats all i was trying to determine - it is the kernel erro

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-27 Thread bill-auger
On 03/27/2018 02:28 PM, bill-auger wrote: > if pureos is hosting their source code on the puri.sm domain, that > itself may be new FSDG problem to be addressed; but perhaps a > contentious one to avoid any misunderstanding here; i should qualify that by saying that this is for no oth

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-28 Thread bill-auger
yes i apologize for my poor choice of words there - that issue i raised has nothing to do with commercial associations - in fact, the FSDG fully allows for the distro itself to be a commercially operated entity - that is, as i understand, essentially what ututo is - but, as far as i know, the ututo

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-04-05 Thread bill-auger
On Thu 2018-04-05 09:45:57 PM - KRT wrote: > And the solution for privacy-minded folks then would be to either > avoid QtWebEngine entirely, or else compile your own with these > turned off at compile time? Seems like a hassle but that is exactly why this is being discussed here if it can b

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-04-08 Thread bill-auger
On Sun 2018-04-08 11:53:31 AM - Sam wrote: > I feel like there's an opportunity for integration of the FSDG > blacklist and the Directory, David Hedlund has recently begun an effort to cross-reference and integrate them[1] and is looking for someone to help maintain it [1]: https://directory.fs

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] what of the distros that have already asked for consideration or have been partially evaluated?

2018-04-27 Thread bill-auger
On Fri, 2018-04-27 at 19:25 +, kurtis wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering, should Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre be moved to > "Distros > currently being evaluated by the community" or to "Distros ready for > final review by the FSF" on the LibrePlanet wiki [1]? Has anyone else > on > this list had

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] what of the distros that have already asked for consideration or have been partially evaluated?

2018-04-27 Thread bill-auger
On Sat, 2018-04-28 at 03:31 +, André Silva wrote: > I've responded to Donald that we are still interested in endorsement. > [0] So, i don't see problems if you would start at the beginning to > test > run the new protocol for Hyperbola. :) awesome so the procedure is detailed on the libreplen

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] what of the distros that have already asked for consideration or have been partially evaluated?

2018-04-27 Thread bill-auger
On Sat, 2018-04-28 at 05:00 +, André Silva wrote: > I've sent an application to around September > 2017 > and it was ticketed as "gnu.org #1239092" and responded by Jason > Self. [0] > > Should i send a new request to webmasters email or continue from > "gnu.org #1239092" application? > > [0

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [gnu.org #1291285] RE: FSF endorsement request for Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre

2018-04-29 Thread bill-auger
On 04/28/2018 02:18 PM, Jason Self via RT wrote: > Hyperbola seems a feasible candidate. Please request an endorsement > from the dedicated mailing list . They > should include a description of their new distro, a link to their > home page, and any other useful info. > > They will take over fro

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Amendment proposal for incoming distros page

2018-05-04 Thread bill-auger
On Thu, 2018-05-03 at 20:26 +, André Silva wrote: > Seems Hyperbola endorsement process (to be evaluated by community) is > stalled for now. > > It's so early to be officially considered as stalled, however the first > thing that came to my mind was in which if it persists for a long time > (m

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Application Manager request for evaluating Hyperbola

2018-05-11 Thread bill-auger
On 05/11/2018 04:19 PM, Benoît wrote: > I am wondering where do you keep the NOTE in case someone wants > to refer to anything in the future? Deleting them seems brutal but > perhaps I am missing a piece where the NOTE is kept separately? the idea is that the notes would indicate very briefly any

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Application Manager request for evaluating Hyperbola

2018-05-12 Thread bill-auger
On 05/12/2018 10:17 AM, Benoît wrote: > let me know if you > want me to copy the comments here and for the future comments to put the > details here instead of the template? yes, i think it is for the benefit of all subscribers to watch the progress that all information should be posted here befo

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola evaluation

2018-05-12 Thread bill-auger
there is no expected format fir discussions as such - all of the formalities are embodied on the "Incoming Distros" wiki - anything that is not described there is open for discussion one thing i did not expect is so much information at once - maybe it would be most useful to take each criteria ite

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: No name confusion

2018-05-12 Thread bill-auger
to be clear about this criteria as i understand it - it is almost entirely concerned with the name of the distro itself - to avoid the distro being confused as being associated with or endorsed by some other distro (such as if the distro were named: "arch-libre" or "slackware-free") - the name "hyp

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: No name confusion

2018-05-12 Thread bill-auger
sure - if you have something to add now regarding the "avoiding propaganda and confusion" criteria start a thread with that as a distinct discussion topic signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-13 Thread bill-auger
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:03:33AM +0100, Michael Dorrington wrote: >> If Hyperbola is Free Culture then it won't be including the Emacs manual >> nor the GCC manual nor anything else under GFDL with "invariant >> sections". On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 09:31:49AM +0100, Michael Dorrington wrote: >

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-13 Thread bill-auger
Citing from: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:main:social_contract > Hyperbola is free culture: All documentation and > cultural works included in Hyperbola are free > culture, with the exceptions of: works stating a > viewpoint, invariant sections and cover texts. All > documentation an

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-14 Thread bill-auger
On Mon, 2018-05-14 at 05:16 -0400, Ineiev wrote: > In fact, many free software licenses have provisions > against misrepresentation of the origin: I can't modify > a program and say that it comes from the original authors > unchanged; this still doesn't make that program nonfree > in the sense of m

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-15 Thread bill-auger
Benoît - it seems that the impression you took of my suggestion for splitting the criteria into separate threads was to only discuss one issue criteria at a time and then wait for a conclusion before moving on to the next criteria - i only meant that separate threads make the discussions more clea

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Other "Information for practical use" under a free license

2018-05-15 Thread bill-auger
i think adonay is mostly echo-ing my point that it is a shame that the complete corresponding source requirement is not encouraged or even mentioned as a option for artworks by those who have taken it upon themselves to define "free culture" for everyone else - without that, there is nothing to dis

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Does not encourage users to use or install non-free software

2018-05-17 Thread bill-auger
to be clear - the points mentioned in the OP are not really what this criteria is about - this one is less tangible and all-encompassing beyond the actual software that is in the repos or technical safeguards like the blacklist - for examples, all documentation such a wiki page that mentions non-fr

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] ppc64el support in endorsed distros

2018-05-17 Thread bill-auger
indeed parabola is very interested in these new open design platforms coincidentally, ebrasca just received his brand new talosII and has begun porting parabola to POWER9 - if there is help available, im sure he could use it because he is finding documentation to be scarce as a side note, oaken-s

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola.info resolving to 127.0.0.1

2018-06-03 Thread bill-auger
nothing in that message relates to the FSDG - did you send this message to the wrong list perhaps? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola.info resolving to 127.0.0.1

2018-06-03 Thread bill-auger
the hyperbola website is working fine to be sure, i just checked all hyperbola web services Home Packages Forums Wiki Issues Git Download they are all working still, the FSDG does not require the distro to maintain a website - it only requires that there be some way to report bugs - that cou

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] ppc64el support in endorsed distros

2018-06-09 Thread bill-auger
i should append andreas's last message by saying that he was probably not suggesting that the FSF should donate a machine to parabola - parabola is actually not taking donations as an entity - it would surely be sufficient if the FSF bought one of these for themselves and gave andreas and ebrasca a

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] ppc64el support in endorsed distros

2018-06-09 Thread bill-auger
o/c i could be wrong :) - i was *totally* presuming that when you turn one of these on - you do not see only a blinking underscore and signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] ppc64el support in endorsed distros

2018-06-09 Thread bill-auger
oh so you are volunteering to move to boston Andreas? i was imagining something like your final thought would be feasible because the FSF tech team is active in their own freenode channel most of each day as a standard routine the original message mentioned that there could be some outside help -

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Help users to verify their downloads

2018-06-18 Thread bill-auger
for the benefit of anyone reading who is not entirely familiar with these tools mentioned (md5, sha, gpg) - allow me to make some important distinctions - if the concerned users who prompted this thread are not reading this list, i suggest someone should bring these distinctions to their attention

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Help users to verify their downloads

2018-06-18 Thread bill-auger
Ineiev's comment raises another good point - this would be a good candidate for a GNU article if there is not one already the point being that community building is itself a tool to this end - it can be recommended that rather than trusting implicitly in anything that your web browser shows you, o

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Help users to verify their downloads

2018-06-24 Thread bill-auger
On Fri, 2018-06-22 at 19:05 +0200, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli wrote: > Would such thing be welcome on the Libreplanet wiki? its a wiki so you can add anything you like to it; but no one will see new pages unless there are links pointing to it from elsewhere - so probably the more important question i

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Help users to verify their downloads

2018-06-25 Thread bill-auger
On Mon, 2018-06-25 at 11:33 +0200, Jean Louis wrote: > If users don't know how to verify PGP fingerprints > with the issues of the PGP key, and it is anyway > unlikely that any serious percentage would be > doing so, then we are wasting time by creating > apparent security. it is why package manag

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Hyperbola: Final comments

2018-06-25 Thread bill-auger
On Mon, 2018-06-25 at 15:01 +0200, Jean Louis wrote: > I cannot see what is preventing Hyperbola to be > endorsed as of right now? there is nothing preventing it - the hyperbola evaluation only started about a month ago - if you look on the evaluation queue[1] there are noted 2 other distros that

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