David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes:
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes:
Hyman Rosen wrote:
On 3/22/2010 3:41 PM, RJack wrote:
That will never happen. Copyrights are exclusive rights and cannot be
licensed by anyone except the *owner* of a copyright. Releasing BSD
licensed code
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes:
David Kastrup wrote:
[...]
just a single hit to be relieved from compliance. So what does it tell
us when they choose to comply after all (as they have consistently ended
up with so far)?
Like
Rex Ballard rex.ball...@gmail.com writes:
On Mar 15, 6:03 pm, RJack u...@example.net wrote:
Rex Ballard wrote:
And before ANY of that goes to a jury, both sides have to show their
cards to the Judge and to each other.
Before ANY of this even goes to the discovery stage, the defendants
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes:
Samsung (calling SFLC):
Hello SFLC, this is Samsung calling. Please be advised that we've made 1
(ONE) BILLION copies of GPL'd material copied verbatim and/or with
modifications. Please contact us within 3 (THREE) BUSINESS DAYS if you
think that
RJack u...@example.net writes:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss RJack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I'm informed by no less an authority than Rjack himself that it
is the person(s) registered as the copyright holder who has the
right to sue, not the actual
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Didn't Alan boldly claim that the GPL was easy to understand?
Yes. The GPL is very easy to understand. It's USA copyright law which
is hard.
The only people who find the GPL hard are those who
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes:
Hadron wrote:
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Didn't Alan boldly claim that the GPL was easy to understand?
Yes. The GPL is very easy to understand. It's USA copyright law which
Peter Köhlmann peter-koehlm...@t-online.de writes:
Hadron wrote:
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Didn't Alan boldly claim that the GPL was easy to understand?
Yes. The GPL is very easy to understand. It's USA copyright law
Chris Ahlstrom ahlstr...@launchmodem.com writes:
Alan Mackenzie pulled this Usenet boner:
You just don't get it, do you? Both you and he have spent several years
continually disparaging, perhaps even slandering, many people in the free
software field, including Richard Stallman and Eben
Rjack u...@example.net writes:
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Rjack pulled this Usenet boner:
What is it with this senile creature and Terekhov? Has Pammy
secretly got the hots for Terekhov? Perhaps someone will send her
a Long Dong Kong replica vibrator so she can relax a little
bit... Jeez, I
Ezekiel z...@nosuchdomain.com writes:
DFS nos...@dfs_.com wrote in message news:hc8ahg$69...@aioe.org...
secret...@lxny.org wrote:
We meet in the basement.
I'm sure it's on everyone's fall social calendar...
They hide them in the basement as to not scare away the other library
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes:
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes:
David Kastrup wrote:
[... the GPL is not a contract ...]
Both courts unequivocally said that the GPL is a contract.
How comes you snip everything relevant from my reply before stomping
your feet again? As I
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes:
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes:
In article hbco0q$l0...@colin2.muc.de, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de
wrote:
Not at all. It's equally likely, in fact more likely, certain personages
wish to sustain the illusion that it's quite complex, and
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/15/black_duck_gpl_web_conference_copenhaver_radcliffe/
GPLv2 - copyright code or contract?
Open source legal minds unravel license
By Austin Modine in San Francisco • Get more from this author
Posted in
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
Software writers of good faith have no difficulty at all with the GPL.
Who appointed you to talk for software writers of good faith, Alan?
Don't be silly. One
Rjack u...@example.net writes:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Linus Torvads licenses Linux under GPL2, and created Linux to mesh
with GNU software. Eric Raymond still contributes to GNU
software. And all these people treat each other with respect, and
when they disagree, they express that
Rjack u...@example.net writes:
David Kastrup wrote:
Rjack u...@example.net writes:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Ah. What? Respectability? Will that help me fix bugs, or
implement new features?
Your attempt to character assassinate Alexander for PJ is about
as low as it gets.
Hm? As far
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
We have been discussing, in the main, a single computer program,
the GCC compiler.
No, we have not. We have been discussing a single computer program,
written from scratch, whose source code contains no part of the code
of GCC,
JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet writes:
On 2009-05-14, Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
We have been discussing, in the main, a single computer program,
the GCC compiler.
[deletia]
No, you are completely wrong. You do not need
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes:
David Kastrup wrote:
That's if, not only if. The problem is whether the combined work is
more than a mere aggregation of its part so that the original
constituents can no longer be told apart well enough to be licensed
differently.
Let's speak of the
Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com writes:
On Sat, 09 May 2009 10:52:41 +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
They would clearly like not to have copyright apply to this situation,
since then they would not need the GPL to provide its copyleft mechanism
there.
Without copyright the GPL is
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
Evening, Erik!
In gnu.misc.discuss Erik Funkenbusch e...@despam-funkenbusch.com wrote:
On Sat, 09 May 2009 10:43:09 +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
Funny, but even YOU don't seem to understand the GPL that nobody could
possibly misunderstand. Or maybe it's
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Do you mean that if somebody adds functionality to GPL program, and
arranges for this new functionality to be called through a socket call
(substitute technically correct terms
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
Hi, Erik!
It's good to talk to somebody with a name. :-)
In gnu.misc.discuss Erik Funkenbusch e...@despam-funkenbusch.com wrote:
The GPL is misunderstood on a daily basis by many people. In fact,
even GPL advocates can't seem to come to a consensus over
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Do you mean that if somebody adds functionality to GPL program, and
arranges for this new functionality to be called through a socket call
(substitute technically correct terms here) rather than a normal function
call, that somebody
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes:
In article slrnh04da1.43u.j...@nomad.mishnet,
JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote:
No, the question is whether or not code that is entirely dependent
on some other person's work for it's existence is a derivative work. This
question
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes:
In article slrnh05ntl.6u0.j...@nomad.mishnet,
JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote:
On 2009-05-07, Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com wrote:
In article slrnh04da1.43u.j...@nomad.mishnet,
JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote:
No,
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes:
In article iq5ml.36996$i9.33...@bignews7.bellsouth.net,
Chris Ahlstrom ahlstr...@launchmodem.com wrote:
After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out
this bit o' wisdom:
In article 58_ll.37296$9a.27...@bignews1.bellsouth.net,
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes:
In article em5ml.36994$i9.25...@bignews7.bellsouth.net,
Chris Ahlstrom ahlstr...@launchmodem.com wrote:
In any case, it is obvious that GPL 2 was very understandable by many many
people (e.g. Linus Torvalds), and they believed it served their
Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net writes:
On Wed, 06 May 2009 09:53:04 +0200, Hadron wrote:
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes:
In article iq5ml.36996$i9.33...@bignews7.bellsouth.net,
Chris Ahlstrom ahlstr...@launchmodem.com wrote:
After takin' a swig o' grog
Erik Funkenbusch e...@despam-funkenbusch.com writes:
On Mon, 4 May 2009 16:22:08 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Day in day out the GPL is turned inside out. It's easy to CLAIM it's
easy but fact does not bond with your fiction.
Huh? The GPL is perfectly plain and straightforward and
Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net writes:
On Mon, 4 May 2009 23:51:39 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
On Mon, 4 May 2009 16:22:08 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Day in day out the GPL is turned inside out. It's easy to CLAIM it's
easy but fact does not bond with your fiction.
Chris Ahlstrom ahlstr...@launchmodem.com writes:
After takin' a swig o' grog, Erik Funkenbusch belched out
this bit o' wisdom:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 07:13:19 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nice summary of standard legal procedure, corner cases, and descriptions of
uninformed people.
You
Erik Funkenbusch e...@despam-funkenbusch.com writes:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 13:01:41 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
After takin' a swig o' grog, Erik Funkenbusch belched out
this bit o' wisdom:
On Tue, 5 May 2009 07:13:19 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nice summary of standard legal
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes:
In article 58_ll.37296$9a.27...@bignews1.bellsouth.net,
Chris Ahlstrom ahlstr...@launchmodem.com wrote:
Nobody can honestly not understand the main meanings of the GPL.
Is it OK under GPL to release a plug-in for a GPL program, if the
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:45:12 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote:
It seems Matt has long misunderstood the GPL.
Like 99 percent of people who through some unfortunate process come in
Erik Funkenbusch e...@despam-funkenbusch.com writes:
On Fri, 1 May 2009 09:14:16 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
I respectfully disagree. It's pretty easy to listen to the CD drive and
factor it out in your evaluation.
You're a technical person. You can do that. The average person would
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes:
In article titlv4t67t1qefhlqv2jj991s437964...@4ax.com,
chrisv chr...@nospam.invalid wrote:
Do you really think that ratios of slowness need to be calculated?
Sheesh, man, you're running off a CD. You can hear it and see the
results. You
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:45:12 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote:
It seems Matt has long
ray r...@zianet.com writes:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:00:57 -0500, DFS wrote:
Rjack wrote:
Yaaawn.
FSF runs from another opportunity to prove legal enforceability claims
for the GPL. Just as I predicted. Listen for the Freetard spin.
The Cisco v. Free Software case was
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote:
One last thing, when are you guys going to format these messages so that
they are easily readable by humans?
They look like they came out of some listsever ciraca 1975.
I find them
RonB ronb02nos...@gmail.com writes:
Rahul Dhesi wrote:
Rjack still hasn't specified which of the terms in the GPL are illegal.
And he protests:
Not at all. Try reading my posts instead of denying and lying.
...
You been told many, many times. Review past posts I've made instead of
just
Rjack u...@example.net writes:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Thufir Hawat wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote:
Thufir Hawat wrote:
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote:
The logical conclusion of your argument is
RonB ronb02nos...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:11:11 -0500, Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote:
Notice how the judge has read the GPL and has decided that the dispute
is about if and how well the GPL has been honored. There is not the hint
of a suggestion that there is anything
Rex Ballard rex.ball...@gmail.com writes:
On Mar 14, 4:06 pm, Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote:
'Microsoft's got a long history of licensing its File Allocation
Table/Long File Name (FAT LFN) with companies in the car navigation
space and that have specifically been using Linux
Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net writes:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:40:58 +, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this suggestion
curious.
The simple things seem to baffle you Roy Schestowitz.
- --
~~ Best of
Vincent Fritters vi...@nowhere.invalid writes:
On 2009-03-03, amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote:
Stick with the bologna and goetta, Vince, you are likely to be better at
that than you are at remembering the chronological order of things.
Microsoft had their falling out with IBM over
Vincent Fritters vi...@nowhere.invalid writes:
On 2009-03-03, Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com wrote:
Vincent Fritters vi...@nowhere.invalid writes:
Wrong. Presentation manager was indeed in OS/2 2.x And Warp.
http://www.firstandsecond.com/store/books/info/bookinfo.asp?txtSearch=237799
2.x
Vincent vincent.fritt...@gmail.com writes:
On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:01:55 +, Doug Mentohl wrote:
'Victims: Employees, former employees, and dependents of employees who
may be enrolled in the SRA benefits program'
'Types of Data: personal information such as name, address, date of
birth,
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes:
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
[...]
Your call.
Have a nice day Chris!
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Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes:
Hadron wrote:
It's a problem with real people in the real world.
What is the antecedent of your it?
Freeloaders, thieves and general scroungers will indeed take advantage.
It's why the most used commercial SW projects in the world do not give
out
Sermo Malifer sermomali...@noemail.com writes:
amicus_curious wrote:
Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message
news:zdwdnaunf5_biudunz2dnuvz_hydn...@giganews.com...
THE GPL IS THE BEST FRIEND MICROSOFT EVER HAD. Open source
advocates are ideologically blinded to these facts.
That is an
Moshe Goldfarb. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Chris is the group fluffer. He me toos to any one in need that he
sees as an advocate. Often from the kneeling position.
He used to have a brain of his own but I think it suffocated and
withered when he spent too long with his head up Roy's arse
Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
7 wrote:
Fool! Just what substances are you abusing?
Apparently about 200,000,000 of your synapses.
He. He.
Well, better he just gives them back to 7 since he's gibbering.
Sincerely,
Rjack :)
--
The XP could sink Microsoft thread his an absolute gem.
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ROFL
http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/06/verizon-ceo-doesnt-know-about.html
--
Verizon CEO doesn't know about open source
By Sean Michael Kerner on June 18, 2008 1:37 PM
From the 'not everyone knows about open source yet'
Moshe Goldfarb. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They need to send COLA's resident genius Mark Kent around there in his
Kentmobile to edikate him like wot Mark is.
http://www.swclassiccars.com/images/cars/357/DSCN5100.JPG
Yea that sure looks like a KentMobile to me.
Here is the
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:14:43 +0200, Hadron wrote:
Moshe Goldfarb. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They need to send COLA's resident genius Mark Kent around there in his
Kentmobile to edikate him like wot Mark
Linonut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Linonut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* rjack peremptorily fired off this memo:
Linonut wrote:
The rights comprised in a copyright may be subdivided and
transferred. 17
Linonut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Miles Bader peremptorily fired off this memo:
Linonut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As far as I can tell, rjack is simply a troll.
Yup. He's the dim one too.
-Miles
Does that mean Terekhov is the smart one?
Well, handing you your arse on a plate time
Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Linonut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does that mean Terekhov is the smart one?
Terekhov is the rabid one.
-Miles
Would you like to post some examples of this rabid behaviour then
Miles? I only ever see him post corrections backed up with supportive
Mark Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
El Tux [EMAIL PROTECTED] espoused:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:17:16 +, Unruh wrote:
rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
El Tux wrote:
In contrast, copying for your own personal use is a legal gray area in
the US. None of the cases you cited involves such
Troy Kirkland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hadron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
El Tux [EMAIL PROTECTED] espoused:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:17:16 +, Unruh wrote:
rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
El Tux wrote:
In contrast
Troy Kirkland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hadron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Troy Kirkland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hadron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
El Tux [EMAIL PROTECTED] espoused
The Ghost In The Machine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Were these drivers open source I could at least contemplate
looking through them for obvious race conditions and other
such flaws. Certainly I doubt this is Eclipse's fault. ;-)
You were doing ok until then obvious race conditions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc,
Hadron [EMAIL PROTECTED] didnst hastily scribble thusly:
I'm not sure how long you have been posting here Troy, but the one thing
that will become apparent is that COLA is like no where else on the
net. And Mark Kent
Peter Köhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
Hadron [EMAIL PROTECTED] didnst hastily scribble thusly:
Rex Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So you are a self-confessed felon, you did know that copyright
violation
Rex Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So you are a self-confessed felon, you did know that copyright
violation is a felony punishable by 5 years in jail. Pirating movies
is a 15 year jail term.
Rexx, you need to tell that guy with the degree. He thinks its ok to
steal stuff on the web too.
Moshe Goldfarb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 17 Feb 2008 14:07:13 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
blockquote
what=official NYU Free Culture Club announcement
edits=minor for layout, and one word ending changed
note=registration is required, see below
pointers=http://wiki.laptop.org;
Rex Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Jan 16, 9:28 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robin T Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So how many geeks does it take to change a light bulb?
None. In a real geek's house, the house changes its own lightbulbs.
None, in a real geeks house, the lightbulbs
ml2mst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Roy Schestowitz schreef:
/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday 15 January 2008 17:15 : \
I am not convinced that truly cool things
are happening any longer, because I am not
seeing barriers being broken through at least
in the area of software. Indeed,
Tim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 2007-07-27, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's still managed by people from Sun, and they contribute most of the
code.
More to the point:
http://contributing.openoffice.org/programming.html
Yup. It's interesting how many
Karen Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
GNU Day everyone,
As we are all well aware, Vista is upon us soon. This means the MS
marketing machine will be in full effect in a few mere months. Rather
than just sit by and let Vista come into dominance, we must perpare a
marketing campaign to
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