Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-14 Thread Jacob Bachmeyer
dick wrote: There are so many other documented examples of abuses... Again, "freedom" is the wrong word. Your ability to disengage and revert to agrarian asceticism is orthogonal to the perfidy of nonfree software providers. You do understand that the Free Software move

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-14 Thread faiflabs
On Wed, Thu, 04 Nov 2021 20:31:50 -0400, dick wrote: > and Github's hosting to improve GNU Emacs. "Improve" is really the wrong word.

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-14 Thread dick
> There are so many other documented examples of abuses... Again, "freedom" is the wrong word. Your ability to disengage and revert to agrarian asceticism is orthogonal to the perfidy of nonfree software providers.

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-09 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
On 2021-11-04 17:31, dick wrote: Got it. Companies aren't upfront about their motives. Got it. Companies maneuver to eliminate competitors, free or otherwise. Heaven forbid capitalist entities should resort to that kind of unconscionable gamesmanship. Dale Carnegie, you've been put on

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-08 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
On 2021-11-04 10:06, dick wrote: There is nothing insidious with such a paint And yet, free software rhetoric emphatically characterizes nonfree as "causing harm in a way that is gradual or not easily noticed," which is Merriam-Webster's definition of "insidious." The paint in the example

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-06 Thread Jean Louis
On November 6, 2021 11:45:47 AM UTC, dick wrote: >> There are so many other documented examples of abuses... > >Again, "freedom" is the wrong word. Your ability to disengage and >revert to >agrarian asceticism is orthogonal to the perfidy of nonfree software >pr

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-06 Thread Jean Louis
On November 4, 2021 5:06:44 PM UTC, dick wrote: >> There is nothing insidious with such a paint > >And yet, free software rhetoric emphatically characterizes nonfree as >"causing >harm in a way that is gradual or not easily noticed," which is >Merriam-Webster's >definition of "insidious." I

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-05 Thread Jacob Bachmeyer
dick wrote: Got it. Companies aren't upfront about their motives. Got it. Companies maneuver to eliminate competitors, free or otherwise. Heaven forbid capitalist entities should resort to that kind of unconscionable gamesmanship. Dale Carnegie, you've been put on notice. In the meantime,

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-05 Thread dick
Got it. Companies aren't upfront about their motives. Got it. Companies maneuver to eliminate competitors, free or otherwise. Heaven forbid capitalist entities should resort to that kind of unconscionable gamesmanship. Dale Carnegie, you've been put on notice. In the meantime, I'll continue

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-05 Thread dick
> There is nothing insidious with such a paint And yet, free software rhetoric emphatically characterizes nonfree as "causing harm in a way that is gradual or not easily noticed," which is Merriam-Webster's definition of "insidious." Your response continues a long, and truly comical, tradition

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-04 Thread Jacob Bachmeyer
dick wrote: Can nonfree refrain from failing to respect user's freedoms? You present this as an unattributed quote. If this is intended to represent my previous response, it is a dishonest paraphrase. As a direct question, it is a tautology: nonfree software is "nonfree" *because*

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-04 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> There is nothing insidious with such a paint And yet, free software rhetoric emphatically characterizes nonfree as "causing harm in a way that is gradual or not easily noticed," which is Merriam-Webster's definition of "insidious." No, it doesn't. You do not qualify what is

Re: "Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-04 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
There is nothing insidious with such a paint -- its just paint. When talking about software ethics one talks about what chains are put on the users from those who control the software, in the case of a paint manufacturer it might be by using Paint Restriction Managment that would prohibit

"Freedom" is really the wrong word

2021-11-04 Thread dick
> Can nonfree refrain from failing to respect user's freedoms? I sell magic paint with the insidious feature that if you try mixing it with another color, it turns black. But otherwise the paint performs great. Under most interpretations of consumer commonlaw, so long as I make it clear before

It is not easy to tell people about freedom [2]

2020-11-11 Thread Akira Urushibata
"Jiyuu" is widely used as a translation of "free" but it is not an exact equivalent. There are historic and cultural reasons behind this. One cultural aspect that is often overlooked by foreigners is that Japanese is written in kanji, which are semantic characters. The "ji" means "self." This

Re: It is not easy to tell people about freedom

2020-11-09 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
^^^ The company themselves dress this up (pun intended) in some glibly vague marketing spin about the connection between improving oneself and donning some new rags: https://www.gu-global.com/jp/ja/corp/company/ Quote (manual transcription from image): YOUR FREEDOM 自分を新

Re: It is not easy to tell people about freedom

2020-11-07 Thread Akira Urushibata
> Interesting story. Thank you. > Does the current translation of www.gnu.org show anywhere > inconsistencies in that context? > https://www.gnu.org/home.ja.html The current Japanese translations of GNU documents uses "jiyuu" throughout. The changes were made when Mr. Yutaka Niibe (widely

Re: It is not easy to tell people about freedom

2020-11-06 Thread Jean Louis
Interesting story. Does the current translation of .gnu.org show anywhere inconsistencies in that context? https://www.gnu.org/home.ja.html Jean * Akira Urushibata [2020-11-07 00:34]: > In 1999 (if I recall correctly) Richard Stallman visited Japan to > promote the GNU project and free

It is not easy to tell people about freedom

2020-11-06 Thread Akira Urushibata
he rest of the world. Proponents of this change of terminology argued that "free" is often mistaken for "free of charge." Richard Stallman did not approve this. He ordered his supporters to stress that "the free of free software is the free as in freedom." We had a un

Re: Using proprietary software [was: Re: one-paragraph comments on s/w freedom being more important than tech niftiness]

2020-05-12 Thread Jean Louis
* John Darrington [2020-05-12 12:28]: > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 09:34:50AM -0700, Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) > wrote: > > > However, using proprietary tools also isn't inherently unethical. > > > > (Also, if you're using tools to produce proprietary software (which > > free tools

Using proprietary software [was: Re: one-paragraph comments on s/w freedom being more important than tech niftiness]

2020-05-12 Thread John Darrington
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 09:34:50AM -0700, Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) wrote: > However, using proprietary tools also isn't inherently unethical. > > (Also, if you're using tools to produce proprietary software (which > free tools cheerfully allow), the debate of which tools it is ethical > to

Re: one-paragraph comments on s/w freedom being more important than tech niftiness

2020-05-12 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
, the coming of gcc, or gcc-2, which were so technically excellent. And then we both commented that we had eventually reached the conclusion that the usefulness of gcc, or the linux kernel, or other great products, had come mostly because of the freedom that comes with s/w, rather than the fact

Re: one-paragraph comments on s/w freedom being more important than tech niftiness

2020-05-11 Thread Jean Louis
we had felt exhilerated by, for > example, the coming of gcc, or gcc-2, which were so technically > excellent. > > And then we both commented that we had eventually reached the conclusion > that the usefulness of gcc, or the linux kernel, or other great > products, had come mostly because of

one-paragraph comments on s/w freedom being more important than tech niftiness

2020-05-10 Thread Mark Galassi
technically excellent. And then we both commented that we had eventually reached the conclusion that the usefulness of gcc, or the linux kernel, or other great products, had come mostly because of the freedom that comes with s/w, rather than the fact that at the moment it is the coolest s/w around

[Freedom-misc] RMS talks still a thing?

2019-11-15 Thread orbulon
He gave one at Microsoft's campus not that long ago. I could be wrong but I don't believe he gives talks very often.

Do the proponents of GNU ‘Social contract’ value its paragraph about ‘harassment’ above the freedom-related ones? (was: A GNU “social contract”?)

2019-11-07 Thread Dmitry Alexandrov
’ is to impose >> that last paragraph about ‘harassment’ on everyone, while all the software >> freedom stuff is just a decoration that should not be taken seriously? > > sorry, this is plain nonsense. I am glad to hear that. Yet the rest of your letter keeps convincing me, that m

[Freedom-misc] RMS talks still a thing?

2019-11-05 Thread behmen
I began learning about/researching free software over the summer of 2019 and got my libre computer in September. I've never had a chance to see an RMS talk (I wasn't aware free software was even a thing), and since he has resigned from the FSF I am wondering if he is still giving any? I

Re: “GNU cares for computer user freedom beyond software”

2019-10-27 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> skribis: > Ludovic Courtès wrote: >> * GNU cares for computer user freedom beyond software > > Does the title reflect well what is under it? Among SaaS(S), nonconsently > installed (java)scripts, DRM and surveillance, only surveill

Re: “GNU cares for computer user freedom beyond software” (was: A GNU “social contract”?)

2019-10-25 Thread Dmitry Alexandrov
Ludovic Courtès wrote: > * GNU cares for computer user freedom beyond software Does the title reflect well what is under it? Among SaaS(S), nonconsently installed (java)scripts, DRM and surveillance, only surveillance issues go beyond software. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: mobile computers vs. software freedom

2012-06-08 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Alfred M Szmidt a...@gnu.org writes: [...] Are there any e-book readers that only run free software? I wonder, if there's /any/ mobile computer that doesn't rely on at least a tiny bit of non-free software? The Lemote laptops, and desktop computers don't use any non-free software.

Re: mobile computers vs. software freedom

2012-06-08 Thread mForestier
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 02:27:32PM +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote: The Lemote laptops, and desktop computers don't use any non-free software. I'll add Lemote Yeeloong (I'm use it), fuuloong and Linloong don't use any non-free hardware too! Indeed. (Or at least the Wikipedia page

mobile computers vs. software freedom

2012-06-07 Thread Ivan Shmakov
Alfred M Szmidt a...@gnu.org writes: E-book readers are very popular now. It sometimes happens that you want to read some stuff on your way to work. However, PDF is hard to read on such devices because font is small even on big screens and when you zoom in margins are lost. PDF is

Re: mobile computers vs. software freedom

2012-06-07 Thread Ineiev
On 06/07/2012 12:41 PM, Ivan Shmakov wrote: I wonder, if there's /any/ mobile computer that doesn't rely on at least a tiny bit of non-free software? Yes, there is: http://dicks.home.xs4all.nl/avr/nikon/index.html ___

Re: mobile computers vs. software freedom

2012-06-07 Thread Ivan Shmakov
to mention an important criterion. (And I've once designed an ATtiny13-based device, a polyphonic music box, myself, BTW. That design has yet to see a proper release, but it's intended to be free as in freedom.) So, let me restate my question: I wonder, if there's

Re: mobile computers vs. software freedom

2012-06-07 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
E-book readers are very popular now. It sometimes happens that you want to read some stuff on your way to work. However, PDF is hard to read on such devices because font is small even on big screens and when you zoom in margins are lost. PDF is hard to convert to

Re: NYC LOCAL: Wednesday 18 January 2012: Rally for Freedom of the Net, Official Name: Rally for the Future of Tech

2012-03-28 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 1/17/2012 9:09 AM, JohnF wrote: That is, rather than just ranting about it, propose an acceptable alternative. Thank you for your concern, but in fact it is not necessary to propose an alternative law when protesting a proposed law which is both harmful and useless for its claimed

Software Freedom

2010-05-04 Thread Hyman Rosen
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/03/15/Joining-Google The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet’s future omits controversy, sex, and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can say what. It’s a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: LOL! Summary: For those who have been reading/hearing Stallman for the past 10-plus years as I have, this admission is shocking in the extreme. The GPL, which is supposed to be the ultimate guarantor of software freedom, may deliver the opposite

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
freedom, may deliver the opposite. Because of its control-freak urges, it can stymie competition, which is presumably why Stallman is now calling on the European Commission to grant what his license couldn't: freedom. LMAO! A rather absurd diatribe apparently based on confusing fork

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Rjack
guarantor of software freedom, may deliver the opposite. Because of its control-freak urges, it can stymie competition, which is presumably why Stallman is now calling on the European Commission to grant what his license couldn't: freedom. LMAO! A rather absurd diatribe apparently based on confusing

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Stallman told the European Commission that the lack of a more flexible license for MySQL will present considerable barriers to a new forked development path for MySQL THis is nothing new. The FSF's recommendation has always been

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] THE LACK OF A MORE FLEXIBLE LICENSE FOR MYSQL WILL PRESENT CONSIDERABLE BARRIERS TO A NEW FORKED DEVELOPMENT PATH FOR MYSQL. Uh, you conveniently forgot to mention that this is about MySQL being licensed GPLv2 _only_ (not as common, GPLv2 or later). Since GPLv2

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] THE LACK OF A MORE FLEXIBLE LICENSE FOR MYSQL WILL PRESENT CONSIDERABLE BARRIERS TO A NEW FORKED DEVELOPMENT PATH FOR MYSQL. Uh, you conveniently forgot to mention that this is about MySQL being licensed GPLv2 _only_

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] THE LACK OF A MORE FLEXIBLE LICENSE FOR MYSQL WILL PRESENT CONSIDERABLE BARRIERS TO A NEW FORKED DEVELOPMENT PATH FOR MYSQL. Uh, you conveniently forgot to mention that this is about

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Nonsense. The affirmative act is accomplished in advance when the copyright holder acts according to the recommendation: Go to doctor, idiot dak. One just can't be a party (licensor or licensee) to an intellectual

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] GPL is a license, not a contract. Yeah. LOL. Heck, why are you, German GNUtian dak, still pretending to be in denial regarding the judgments of the courts in Munich and Frankfurt about contractual status of the GPL, stupid dak? (Munich)

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread chrisv
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: One just can't be a party (licensor or licensee) to an intellectual property license under unknown/unspecified/future/later terms. God damn, you are a stupid POS. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread chrisv
General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. [...] It's real difficult to understand that plain language, eh? Sheesh, these anti-freedom trolls are incredibly dishonest and stupid. -- Question

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [... the GPL is not a contract ...] Both courts unequivocally said that the GPL is a contract. (Munich) http://www.jbb.de/urteil_lg_muenchen_gpl.pdf http://www.jbb.de/judgment_dc_munich_gpl.pdf (Frankfurt) http://www.jbb.de/urteil_lg_frankfurt_gpl.pdf

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [... the GPL is not a contract ...] Both courts unequivocally said that the GPL is a contract. How comes you snip everything relevant from my reply before stomping your feet again? As I already said: contract law applies since

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Hadron
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [... the GPL is not a contract ...] Both courts unequivocally said that the GPL is a contract. How comes you snip everything relevant from my reply before stomping your feet again? As I

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [... There are differences which I listed ...] Go to doctor, with all the differences which you listed, dak. BTW... Who's paying for your health care insurance, dak? If you you're going to trigger freedom of speech now just like Alan, please explain why. regards

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Tim Smith
In article 87oco0rjli@lola.goethe.zz, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Dak, dak, dak. Stallman told the European Commission that the lack of a more flexible license for MySQL will present considerable barriers to a new forked development path for MySQL

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Tim Smith
In article hbmvug$2ik...@colin2.muc.de, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Stallman told the European Commission that the lack of a more flexible license for MySQL will present considerable barriers to a new forked

NYC LOCAL: Saturday 19 September 2009 Software Freedom Day and One Web Day: Meeting at NYU, Giant Roof Party

2009-09-18 Thread secretary
blockquote what=official Software Freedom Day and One Web Day announcement main-issues=Our Right to Own a Computer, Net Neutrality where-New-York-City-information=down the page some more=James Vasile on Software Freedom Day in New York City: http://hackervisions.org/?p=523

Software Freedom Day... what's happening in Cambridge Massachusetts?...

2009-09-11 Thread thezak
Software Freedom Day... what's happening in Cambridge Massachusetts?... ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Freedom. . . the GPL benefit

2008-09-19 Thread Miles Bader
Gary Nym? -Miles -- Freebooter, n. A conqueror in a small way of business, whose annexations lack of the sanctifying merit of magnitude. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
of well-paying professional jobs in software—more or less predicated on a large scale commercial industry— will re-introduce the economics of scarcity to the software culture. [...] So, the GPL is an attempt to restrict freedom and the economics of software production suggest that a pure free

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-17 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: [... The FSF doesn't care about programmers ... ] Right. http://www.charvolant.org/~doug/gpl/gpl.pdf (Why Not Use the GPL?) A programmer complaining that the FSF doesn't care about programmers. Ho hum. As a programmer myself, I find that the biggest

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: [... The FSF doesn't care about programmers ... ] Right. http://www.charvolant.org/~doug/gpl/gpl.pdf (Why Not Use the GPL?) A programmer complaining that the FSF doesn't care about programmers. Ho hum. As a

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-17 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: [... The FSF doesn't care about programmers ... ] Right. http://www.charvolant.org/~doug/gpl/gpl.pdf (Why Not Use the GPL?) A programmer complaining that the FSF doesn't care about programmers. Ho hum. As

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-17 Thread Hyman Rosen
David Kastrup wrote: Well, but then you are wearing your user hat with respect to the library, not your programmer hat... My use of the libraries consists of my writing programs that work correctly, so it's a meaningless distinction. ___

Re: Freedom. . . the GPL benefit

2008-09-17 Thread Rjack
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Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread SomeBloke
RonB wrote: Rjack wrote: So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general disdain for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way. As a libertarian, I've often found myself baffled by the leftist stance that freedom has to be enforced

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Rjack
RonB wrote: Rjack wrote: So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general disdain for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way. As a libertarian, I've often found myself baffled by the leftist stance that freedom has to be enforced

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: Forced sharing through copyright misuse is illegal theft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 09:31:54AM -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: Forced sharing through copyright misuse is illegal theft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: ...For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way... http://www.tbradford.org/2008/09/kinder-gentler-free-software-license.html That is because the author misunderstands the purpose of the license. It is not about freedom for programmers

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2008-09-16, Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general disdain for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way. As a libertarian, I've often found myself baffled by the leftist stance that freedom

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] The lawyer representing Skype still continued to argue for a bit into that direction, which resulted one of the judges making up an interesting analogy of something like: If a publisher wants to publish a book of an author

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Here's a bit more sensible judge Rui's judge was sitting on a case. Your judge is commenting from the peanut gallery. Guess which one carries more weight. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/ LOL! http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/linux/gpl-violations/index.html -- Wed, 13 Aug 2008 gpl-violations.org report in Financial Times Deutschland The German business newspaper Financial Times Deutschland

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] The funny thing is that his proposed license is not a license (since it - The GPL is not a tool for freedom, it is a tool of control, and I argue that its overall effect on the art of software development as a whole has been more destructive than it has been

Re: Freedom. . . the GPL benefit

2008-09-16 Thread Rjack
7 wrote: Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Rjack wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing: So So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general love for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly does feel that way.

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: The GPL is not a tool for freedom, it is a tool of control, and I argue that its overall effect on the art of software development as a whole has been more destructive than it has been beneficial. Even if that were true, that's fine - it is not the goal of the FSF

Re: Freedom. . . the GPL benefit

2008-09-16 Thread 7
Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Rjack wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing: So So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general love for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly does feel that way. As a

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Firey Bird
Rjack wrote: So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general disdain for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way. As a libertarian, I've often found myself baffled by the leftist stance that freedom has to be enforced

The price of freedom?

2008-03-07 Thread mike3
Hi. The price of a highly open/freedom hardware platform using a CPU whose design is released under GPL: a mamoth $14,000! Holy crap: http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t5120/ ... most open platform... Does this mean what I think it does, if one is darn serious about this freedom thing

Document Freedom Day: March 26th ok for list? Yes or no

2008-02-20 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Tim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any particular reason for all that FUD here, rather than in a group where it would be on topic? Sorry about all that FUD. So, would it be okay for me to announce Docment Freedom Day here? So that you can evaluate it and give me a yes or no answer

Re: Document Freedom Day: March 26th ok for list? Yes or no

2008-02-20 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ciaran O'Riordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that you can evaluate it and give me a yes or no answer, I suppose I should point you to the website: Document Freedom Day! http://documentfreedom.org/ Did I

NYC LOCAL: Friday 12 October 2007 SFLC: Legal Summit for Software Freedom

2007-10-08 Thread secretary
blockquote what=official Software Freedom Law Center announcement where=Columbia Law School on the Island of the Manahattoes edits=removed some blurbs for other things recommendation=see original at http://www.softwarefreedom.org/summit/2007; note=registration

NYC LOCAL: Friday 19 January 2007 NYU Free Culture Club: Cory Doctorow on the Battle for Freedom of the Net

2007-01-18 Thread secretary
blockquote what=official NYU Free Culture Club notice from=http://www.freeculturenyu.org/2007/01/03/january-19th-2007-5pm-cory-doctorow; edits=minor, so looks better in raw text January 19th 2007 @ 5pm : Cory Doctorow January 3, 2007 by Fred photo by Bart Nagel On January 19th at 5pm

Re: Novell-MS Pact: Samba Team calls upon Novell to work with the Software Freedom Law Center to undo the pact

2006-11-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
tools in the free software world is not acceptable. Novell, as a participant in numerous debates, discussions and conferences on the topic knew this to be the case. We call upon Novell to work with the Software Freedom Law Center to undo the patent agreement and acknowledge its obligations

What we can do (those who believe in freedom)? (was: Eben...)

2006-11-08 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1851 -- What we can do, those who believe in freedom, those who use GNU/Linux, or those who everywhere who believe in free markets and reject gangsters and thugs and the destruction such people do to society? First and foremost we must stand together

FOSS (F == Free as in Freedom) folks declare war on NOVL

2006-11-03 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Here's just one example. By: cryptareopagite -- Novell the Enemy and OpenXML For those who missed it (hah!), Novell have embraced Microsoft, blown their rights to distribute Linux under the GPL, and announced they're going to help Microsoft try to kill OpenOffice. I just posted

NYC LOCAL: Wednesday 18 October 2006 Bruce Kushnick on Bill Moyers show: Freedom, Privacy, and Our Net

2006-10-18 Thread secretary
the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom and put Congress and the phone companies on notice. This grassroots movement barely existed at the beginning of 2006. Now we're on the verge of toppling one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. The reason for our success? Organized

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 22:53:49 +0200: Joerg Schilling wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Mackenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karen Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22 May 2006 16:49:50 -0700: What is wrong with this? Commands like make have

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-24 Thread David Kastrup
Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If adding a useful feature breaks some standard, break the standard, standards are not laws that have to be followed unconditionally. Yes, I know you're a troll, but today I'm quite bored so this is your food for the weekend. You've fallen for

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Yes, I know you're a troll, but today I'm quite bored so this is your food for the weekend. You've fallen for him, by the way. I wouldn't say that I have fallen, more like I'm laughing to hard to be able to get up... He has not shown that make breaks any standard. Yes, it behaves

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-24 Thread Drazen Kacar
Karen Hill wrote: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Care to quote line and verse of POSIX? [...] WRONG! You must follow the standard to a tee if you want to be compliant. Otherwise you are extending, just like Microsoft does. There is nothing wrong with extending, provided that you don't

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 22:53:49 +0200: Joerg Schilling wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Mackenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karen Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22 May 2006 16:49:50 -0700: What is wrong

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Sorry folks, forgot one thing. http://www.fsf.org/photos/rms-sign.jpg Alexander Terekhov wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 22:53:49 +0200: Joerg Schilling wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Mackenzie [EMAIL

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-24 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23 May 2006 22:22:09 GMT: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Mackenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23 May 2006 19:14:34 GMT: GNU make has many bugs that prevent GNU make from being POSIX compliant. OK. Some

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-23 Thread mlw
Karen Hill wrote: Hello. I have been thinking about all the problems the GPL causes. My solution is a new license called the Freedom License. Here it is: Ahh the smell of a troll!!! You just know it will be a steaming pile of crap when it starts What are the problems with the GPL and how

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-23 Thread Karen Hill
idea of relicensing by someone other than the original author is complete rubbish. Hi James, Read the clauses. It says if the author of the work OWNS the copyright it shall be released under the GPL and Freedom License. As for being utter rubbish, look for this license to make a slash

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Karen Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22 May 2006 16:49:50 -0700: Hello. Hi from Munich! I have been thinking about all the problems the GPL causes. My solution is a new license called the Freedom License. Here it is: Hey, I know you're trolling, but heck! After Alexander Terekhov

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Mackenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karen Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22 May 2006 16:49:50 -0700: What is wrong with this? Commands like make have evolved considerably since 1972. However, inside the GNU make info page you can read this: GNU `make'

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-23 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I have been thinking about all the problems the GPL causes. My solution is a new license called the Freedom License. Here it is: Hey, I know you're trolling, but heck! After Alexander Terekhov for month after month, a change is quite invigorating. It's a poor newsgroup

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-23 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
GNU `make' conforms to section 6.2 of `IEEE Standard 1003.2-1992' (POSIX.2). Do you believe all false claims? Got a test case? GNU make has many bugs that prevent GNU make from being POSIX compliant. Care to show us them? Some of the bugs are related to the

Re: New Software License idea: The Freedom License.

2006-05-23 Thread Colin B.
In comp.unix.solaris Karen Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have been thinking about all the problems the GPL causes. My solution is a new license called the Freedom License. Here it is: THE FREEDOM TO TROLL LICENSE Nooo, it's Karen Hill again! Troll troll troll. Sing along

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