[GOAL] Re: Meaning of Open Access

2012-05-09 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
to be clear. The group that we have helped set up @ccess at http://access.okfn.org/draws a line at BOAI. Since many come from a scientific / computing background many feel that the use of libre to mean more-or-less anything is particularly misleading. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier's query re: positive things from publishers that should be encouraged, celebrated, recognized

2012-05-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
don't know a formal term for it - yet. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier's query re: positive things from publishers that should be encouraged, celebrated, recognized

2012-05-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Stevan Harnad amscifo...@gmail.com wrote: ** Cross-Posted ** On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Stevan Harnad amscifo...@gmail.com wrote: Stevan, Could you please explain

[GOAL] Re: Electronic Theses and Dissertations Bibliography, Version 6

2012-01-18 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
/r16OuF -- Best Regards, Charles Charles W. Bailey, Jr. Publisher, Digital Scholarship http://bit.ly/Z6HFx ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL at eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader

[GOAL] Re: Nice blog post on OA

2012-02-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
textmining for chemical information and been treated with disdain. We can only use publications where there is a clear licence of at least CC-BY. It is apparently more important to preserve income for publishers than to allow published information to be used in a modern manner. -- Peter Murray-Rust

[GOAL] Re: Permissions attaching to pre-publication material

2012-02-17 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
that is unlikely giving that I am currently unlikely to contribute to Elsevier journals. ** ** With kind wishes, ** We will spell out on the OKFN open-access list the areas that would lead to a potentially constructive discussion and possibly continue on it and on skype. -- Peter Murray

[GOAL] Re: Scholarly Publishing: Where is Plan B?

2012-03-04 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
My apologies to these institutions and thanks for their efforts. It wasn't what I intended to say. On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Peter Suber peter.suber at gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Peter Murray-Rust pm286 at cam.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:46 AM, Stevan

[GOAL] Re: Bogus online publishers

2012-03-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
because no-one else can be trusted. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail

[GOAL] Re: UK Research Councils plan to strengthen OA policy

2012-03-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/attachments/20120313/8b465428

[GOAL] Re: UK Research Councils plan to strengthen OA policy

2012-03-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Many thanks both of you , Alma and Robert (and to RCUK for a clear statement) -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed

[GOAL] Re: Libre open access, copyright, patent law, and other intellectual property matters

2012-03-25 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
the train fare). But maybe it's changed after 5 years and maybe it hasn't. I don't have time to check. ** Marc Couture ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL at eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader

[GOAL] Re: Why Public Access vs. Research Access Matters

2012-03-28 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. There are people who would be dead if they could not have read the medical literature - fortuitously because they happened to be employed by a university. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Why Public Access vs. Research Access Matters

2012-03-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
typical examples of those outside academia who require access and are denied it by the system - and it's not just health. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 -- next part

[GOAL] Re: A bit of advice with regards to the history of the OAmovement

2012-03-30 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
as far as 1969 then I think many people would see the Free/Open software movement (Stallman, 1986) as creating much of the background practice and philosophy that went into Open Access. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre

[GOAL] Re: what is a suitable CC license for an scholarly open access journal

2012-04-26 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
://works.bepress.com/sridhar_gutam/ ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL at eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2

[GOAL] Re: what is a suitable CC license for an scholarly open access journal

2012-04-26 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/attachments/20120426/808cb4ac

[GOAL] Re: Open Access Priorities: Peer Access and Public Access

2012-04-30 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
effort on information-saving and sharing tools that people need and community repositories. I'll stop there - I sincerely hope that SH's list does not get wider traction. -- Peter Murray-Rust emeritus Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2

[GOAL] Re: OA Ideology vs. OA Pragmatics

2012-05-01 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
over the last 10 years and we need to look for changing methods, changing finances and changing allies. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 -- next part -- An HTML

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
* to put things into ( including me.). Wikipedia is not rubbish and it is maturing all the time. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 -- next part -- An HTML attachment

[GOAL] Re: [BOAI10] Re: Elsevier's query re: positive things from publishers that should be encouraged, celebrated, recognized

2012-05-14 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Jean-Claude, This is a great analysis and says almost exactly some of what I was planning to say. We cannot de facto trust the publishers to work in our interests. There was a time when this was posssible - but no longer. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre

[GOAL] Re: [BOAI10] Re: Elsevier's query re: positive things from publishers that should be encouraged, celebrated, recognized

2012-05-15 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
, voice, or web-video: efvandevelde E-mail: eric.f.vandeve...@gmail.com On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Jean-Claude, This is a great analysis and says almost exactly some of what I was planning to say. We cannot de facto trust the publishers

[GOAL] Re: Effect of Green OA on Publishers

2012-05-30 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
in the UK of stamps for first class letters). P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Re: Agreement on Green OA not needed from publishers but from institutions and funders

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
all, PMR: as a start remember that this greeting is a formal communication from a corporate. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing

[GOAL] Re: Why should publishers agree to Green OA?

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
blown their chance to work with anyone. Elsevier have already wasted years of my research effort in mumble. For me the value of this list is that it addresses the problems that publishers create and tries to solve them without the publishers. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics

[GOAL] Re: Agreement on Green OA not needed from publishers but from institutions and funders

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
respect the role of publishers and if presented with a contract not only sign it but also police it for the publishers. So without effective challenge the contracts become fuzzy to the benefit of the publishers. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep

[GOAL] Re: Agreement on Green OA not needed from publishers but from institutions and funders

2012-06-21 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
...@gmail.com wrote: -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal

Re: PDF vs Markup Languages

1998-09-11 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
at this stage. Peter Murray-Rust Directory, Virtual School of Molecular Sciences University of Nottingham, UK http://www.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk/~pazpmr http://www.vhg.co.uk (Virtual HyperGlossary) http://www.xml-cml.org (CML)

Re: Meeting: National Policies on Open Access Provision for University Research Output

2004-03-04 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. Please accept that these are not clear on a cursory inspection and although I am learning others will also misunderstand. If the boundaries are too rigid and hostile, then neighbouring efforts may be disadvantaged. Peter Murray-Rust wrote: It is clear that data is a poor relation in the Open

Re: Are Chemical Journals Too Expensive and Inaccessible?

2004-09-10 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
and the Chemical Semantic Web based on Open Access. Representation and Use of Chemistry in the Global Electronic Age Peter Murray-Rust, Henry S. Rzepa, Simon. M. Tyrrell and Y. Zhang it does not yet have page numbers or a DOI but is self-archived at: http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/obc/ This may

Re: Green, Gold, Elsevier, Springer

2004-10-03 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
the institution to request the self-archiving of a peer-reviewed manuscript and this points out the enormous amount of work required in the future. Peter Murray-Rust Unilever Centre for Molecular Informatics Chemistry Department, Cambridge University Lensfield Road, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1EW, UK Tel: +44-1223

[GOAL] Scope of the GOAL list and discussions on open access

2011-12-28 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
is the appropriate place or, whether as some of my correspondents have suggested, we should set up our own list. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text

[GOAL] Re: Fwd: Harvard response to the White House RFI on OA to publicly funded research

2012-01-05 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
document responses and submit them to OSTP by January 12th. Also, watch for an upcoming inSCIght podcast on this topic, open access and federally funded research, which should be available sometime this week.     Happy New Open Access Year !        Luis -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader

[GOAL] Re: op-ed on Research Works Act in today's NYT

2012-01-11 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
want to urge to sign something but where is the something to sign? If I hadn't been actively involved in OA I wouldn't even heard of HR3699 and RWA. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Electronic Theses and Dissertations Bibliography, Version 6

2012-01-18 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text

[GOAL] Re: Nice blog post on OA

2012-02-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
in a modern manner. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Permissions attaching to pre-publication material

2012-02-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
publisher , I am not allowed to bulk download these manuscripts as the publishers place that restriction on Pubmed. We have alternative approaches. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Permissions attaching to pre-publication material

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Elsevier requires authors or Pubmed to insert additional information or phraseology into the author's manuscript. I would also be grateful to know what Universal Access is, and where it is defined. Peter Murray-Rust With kind wishes,   Alicia     Dr Alicia Wise

[GOAL] Re: Author's refereed, revised, accepted final draft vs. publisher's version-of-record

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
information. P.     -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Permissions attaching to pre-publication material

2012-02-15 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. In the present case it would then be a case of asking the US government dept to provide a licence for use. If they couldn't then we should take it up with them. But I'd be surprised if by now they didn't have a CC-BY/CC0 policy Klaus Graf -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever

[GOAL] Re: Permissions attaching to pre-publication material

2012-02-17 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
that would lead to a potentially constructive discussion and possibly continue on it and on skype.   -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text

[GOAL] Re: Scholarly Publishing: Where is Plan B?

2012-03-04 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
My apologies to these institutions and thanks for their efforts. It wasn't what I intended to say. On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Peter Suber peter.su...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:46 AM

[GOAL] Re: UK Research Councils plan to strengthen OA policy

2012-03-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
believe that this is libre? -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Re: UK Research Councils plan to strengthen OA policy

2012-03-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Many thanks both of you , Alma and Robert (and to RCUK for a clear statement) -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text

[GOAL] Re: Libre open access, copyright, patent law, and other intellectual property matters

2012-03-25 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Re: Why Public Access vs. Research Access Matters

2012-03-28 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
which pay research and pay library subscriptions.   There are people who would be dead if they could not have read the medical literature - fortuitously because they happened to be employed by a university. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry

[GOAL] Re: Why Public Access vs. Research Access Matters

2012-03-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
on sauropods (dinosaurs). He is collecting typical examples of those outside academia who require access and are denied it by the system - and it's not just health. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223

[GOAL] Re: A bit of advice with regards to the history of the OAmovement

2012-03-30 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
people would see the Free/Open software movement (Stallman, 1986) as creating much of the background practice and philosophy that went into Open  Access. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University

[GOAL] Re: what is a suitable CC license for an scholarly open access journal

2012-04-26 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
considerable damage. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Re: Open Access Priorities: Peer Access and Public Access

2012-04-28 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
in sauropods (dinosaurs). He has also championed the cause of effective Open Access outside academia and has several articles in the national presses. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] What is Green Open Access and how is it practised? Some questions

2012-05-02 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
*want* to put things into ( including me.). Wikipedia is not rubbish and it is maturing all the time. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text

[GOAL] Re: Some discussion points for the UK OA initiative

2012-05-08 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
on. There are a  number of inaccuracies in what is posted here and I have to go through the process of correcting them   1. Peter Murray-Rust is a dedicated advocate for certain text-mining and re-use rights that are very important and very fruitful in certain fields of research   (but not all

[GOAL] Meaning of OA Libre

2012-05-09 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
and BOAI-compliant OA . It is a pity that the latter is a long phrase and maybe its usage will contract the phrase. I would be grateful for clear discourse on these definitions and the suggestion of retiring libreOA. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep

[GOAL] Re: Meaning of OA Libre

2012-05-09 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
the item.  All the rest, IMHO, is extra and IMHO the extras are critically important. We differ and we should have the right to say so on this list. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Meaning of Open Access

2012-05-09 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
- they can and probably will do the same with Green. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL

[GOAL] Re: Meaning of Open Access

2012-05-09 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
without the rights to re-use and text-mine. Exactly right. I am developing the tools on BMC articles as those are completely BOAI-compliant. I can make the extracted science completely Open. I cannot do that with ACS.   -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep

[GOAL] Re: OA and scholarly publishers

2012-05-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Universities are afraid of publishers. I estimate that tens of billions of dollars worth of value is lost through being forbidden to mine the scholarly literature. If Alicia Wise can say yes to me unreservedly, I'll be happy. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre

[GOAL] Re: OA and scholarly publishers

2012-05-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
: a.w...@elsevier.com I Twitter: @wisealic     From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Peter Murray-Rust Sent: 11 May 2012 23:47 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: OA

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier's query re: positive things from publishers that should be encouraged, celebrated, recognized

2012-05-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
with it - I don't know a formal term for it - yet. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL

[GOAL] Re: Licence of IEEE Gold OA papers?

2012-05-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier's query re: positive things from publishers that should be encouraged, celebrated, recognized

2012-05-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Stevan Harnad amscifo...@gmail.com wrote: ** Cross-Posted ** On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Stevan Harnad amscifo...@gmail.com wrote

[GOAL] Re: [BOAI10] Re: Elsevier's query re: positive things from publishers that should be encouraged, celebrated, recognized

2012-05-15 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo

[GOAL] Re: The OA Interviews: Jeffrey Beall, University of Colorado Denver

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. - Other universities will take the model and do it. Total cost perhaps 1 million per university. It's cheaper than running our currently empty repositories. It's cheaper than hybrid fees. There's only one thing missing: COURAGE. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.ukwrote: There is no way in my or your liftetime that senior chemists will self-archive. And that goes for many other disciplines. What are the VCs going to do? Sack them ? they bring in grant money? No: draw their attention

[GOAL] Re: Reaching for the Reachable

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Jan Velterop velte...@gmail.com wrote: Stevan may well be right that the repository of the U of Liege (ORBi) contains 3,620 chemistry papers. But apart from posters, most deposits

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:48 AM, brent...@ulg.ac.be wrote: Thanks for answering Le 13 juil. 2012 à 09:32, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk a écrit : What is the percentage of full-text ACS papers pubished by Liege which are visible at time of publication? None, of course! And that's

[GOAL] Re: Chemistry and the Green Door

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
at the end of the grant (and many publications are post-grant) and (c) it needs investment in policing. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Challenging the system [was Re: Re: Reaching for the Reachable]

2012-07-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
for the details of this proposal to be changed, but those aspects should remain. Something practical may emerge. And please, list members, refrain from shouting me down and asserting the Green agenda yet again. It is counterproductive. Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre

[GOAL] Open Access for Science in UK - request for sources

2012-07-16 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
on this thread to answering these questions and providing other similar factual information (perhaps for other countries and funders) - other threads can be used for the evangelism. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2

[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
and start using precise terms. If this is a platinum journal then I am not in favour of this term. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing

[GOAL] Re: Planning for the Open Access Era

2012-08-07 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
). But most people will regard this as another fairy tale. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Re: Publications managed by scholarly communities/institutions

2012-08-09 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
is unlikely to generate efficiency or C21 innovation). -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Re: Publications managed by scholarly communities/institutions

2012-08-09 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
exceptions) howled it down and it has succeeded in spite. (It will, whether we like it or not, become a mainstream component of scientific communication). In similar mode there will be a new type of scholarly communication. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep

[GOAL] Re: Publications managed by scholarly communities/institutions

2012-08-10 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
that keeps it going the way it is. Again it wouldn't cost nothing but it could be done for a lower figure that 10 Billion USD. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Publications managed by scholarly communities/institutions

2012-08-16 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
fee-free scholarly publishing started by Peter Murray-Rust with Laurent [Romary] from INRIA [1], Richard Poynder, Peter Suber, Jenny Molloy, Tom Olijhoek, Ross Mounce and several other OKFN folks. Peter Murray-Rust's original email to Laurent is at the bottom, as well as some of the subsequent

[GOAL] Re: Draft Addendum for Non-Predatory Hybrid Gold OA Publishers

2012-08-16 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal

[GOAL] Re: Fee-free scholarly publishing

2012-08-17 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
writings. My message was simply to inform of the location - I would not dare to challenge established and proven orthodoxy. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
, removing all clarity of purpose contained in the original definition. Yes. On 28 Aug 2012, at 15:00, Stevan Harnad wrote: On 2012-08-28, at 4:26 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote: Warning: I shall get shouted down for this post. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk

[GOAL] Re: Springer now publishing Open Access books

2012-08-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
-commercial purposes, as long as the authors/editors are properly attributed. CC-NC is not compatible with BOAI. It is therefore, at best, partial open access. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Thank you for this reply. It contains some answers to some of the questions. I shall return with comments. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
/greengold-oa-and-gratislibre-oa.html) *I'm [PS] not proposing a change in the BBB definition*, and I haven't retreated an inch in my support for it. I'm simply proposing vocabulary to help us talk unambiguously about two species of free online access. [PMR's emphasis] P. -- Peter Murray-Rust

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-30 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
discussing. Many of the MurrayRust references are not to me and many of mine are purely scientific. So take them out and reduce me to about 25 milliHarnads if you think it's useful. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2

[GOAL] Ross Mounce A visualisation of Gold OA options

2012-08-31 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
information. Publishers are welcome to indicate enhanced information. I shall relay any substantive comments on this list to Ross, and suggest you comment directly on his blog. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44

[GOAL] Re: Europe PubMed as a home for all RCUK research outputs?

2012-10-08 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
hearing. I recently sat through an hour lecture by SH whose subtitle was What Peter Murray-Rust thinks and why he is wrong. The thoughts attributed to me were factually incorrect. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY in repositories

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
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[GOAL] Re: CC-BY in repositories

2012-10-09 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. It would resolve all the apparent problems of the Finch reoprt etc. It is only because Green licences are undefined that we have this problem at all. And if we all agreed it could be launched for Open Access Week -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY: the wrong goal for open access, and neither necessary nor sufficient for data and text mining

2012-10-10 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
it as easy as possible to discover and re-use the data. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Re: Springer for sale - implications for open access?

2012-10-10 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
repositories and IRs exist that is not a problem. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http

[GOAL] Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: On the proposal to raise the Green OA goalpost fromGratis to CC-BY

2012-10-10 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
rapid technical and social change and we need to be actively changing the world of scholarship, not waiting for others to constrain our future. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Gold OA: Publication costs and journal impact factors

2012-10-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
. ** -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal

[GOAL] Re: Some Quaint Elsevier Tergiversation on Rights Retention

2012-11-23 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
justification shortly. In short STM publishers do not add technical value in scientific production - they destroy it. P. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's Stuart Shieber

2012-12-13 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
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[GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's Stuart Shieber

2012-12-14 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
community what journals are good, and what journals are bad. Is that really satisfactory? And a lone graduate student compiles a list of Open Access practtices. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44

[GOAL] Re: Is $99 per article realistic and compatible with profits - or too high a price?

2013-01-28 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
/2189/creative-commons-licenses-and-the-non-commercial-condition-implications-for-the-re-use-of-biodiversity-information . -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Is $99 per article realistic and compatible with profits - or too high a price?

2013-01-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Heather Morrison heath...@eln.bc.cawrote: On 28-Jan-13, at 8:24 PM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote: Comment: I know how much you appreciate quantitative evidence, PMR, so here are some quick figures that suggest that scientists do very much want NC

[GOAL] Re: Is $99 per article realistic and compatible with, profits - or too high a price?

2013-01-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Editor Living Reviews edito...@aei.mpg.dewrote: Therefore, our authors would object to Peter Murray-Rust, who has never met a scientist who has argued for CC-NC over CC-BY. Now I have (assuming Frank Schulz is a practising scientist) . And I cannot understand

[GOAL] Re: RCUK policy: relationship between green and CC-BY-NC

2013-02-01 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal

[GOAL] Re: Is $99 per article realistic and compatible with profits - or too high a price

2013-02-05 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
is best for NPG first and the community second. Has NPG followed any guidelines from independent bodies? -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Responses to Martin Hall on Finch on Neither Green Nor Gold

2013-02-14 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
does this are general mistaken. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman

[GOAL] Re: US Presidential Open Access Directive: 3 Cheers and 8 Suggestions

2013-02-24 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
-textual search (e.g. sequences, chemical structures). In contrast the domain repositories are developing unified standardised search indexes. Until there is a single point search for repository content, perhaps on a country-wide basis, they won't get searched. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular

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