For balance? Mainly I don't want a post reveler getting dizzy and hurling
more colour onto it. :P
And thinking of multi- colours, this reminded me of someone I know who made
a man's Landsknecht in various Hawaiian print fabric. Bright colors too.
De
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um, why stop at 4?
I am going for the very pleated version like the statues.
The silk holds pleats very wel.
I will make it wet and pleat the fabric than let it dry.
http://www.bluffton.edu/%7Esullivanm/chartreswest/jambs.html
_http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/z/zurbaran/2/casilda.html_
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This may be etiquette in the U.S. but it is not in court circles in Britain.
Manners may well differ in different countries. My comment was an answer to
Bjarne according to British habits. Under normal circumstances, most ladies
would be wearing gloves, so the actual
At 09:14 20/02/2006, you wrote:
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This may be etiquette in the U.S. but it is not in court circles in Britain.
Manners may well differ in different countries. My comment was an answer to
Bjarne according to British habits. Under normal circumstances, most ladies
would be
At 09:50 20/02/2006, you wrote:
Yes, the Debenhams chain took over the local privately owned
department store in many English towns. I thought it sounded
surprising that the main London store should have closed.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
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Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
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Actually, d'Artagnan was a real person, and was a member, eventually
captain, of the King's Musketeers. However, the historical Charles de
Batz-Castlemore d'Artagnan was born somewhere around 1625
Or even the 19th C? The overall scrolling of the fleur de lis design with
the addition of some beading would place this for me, in the 1870s/80s.
Kathleen
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From: Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006
One of my more droll findings in etiquitte books (American, late 19th C) is
a note that ladies never take off their gloves even at a
dinnertable...unless the hostess does!! For the nouveu upper middle class,
this advice would speak woe to the idea that one might well ruin many pairs
of long
At 14:26 20/02/2006, you wrote:
One of my more droll findings in etiquitte books (American, late 19th C) is
a note that ladies never take off their gloves even at a
dinnertable...unless the hostess does!! For the nouveu upper middle class,
this advice would speak woe to the idea that one might
Thanks for the info on Anne of Cleves portrait by Holbein. Tudor costume
is my big area of interest and Anne of Cleves(by reason of her short
tenure as queen consort)has gotten short shift by historians.
Historians have interpreted Henry's reaction to Anne has been
interpreted from everything
Civil war
Lu Ann
Thanks for that anectdotal ... I hope I qualified it enough, because IT was
something I'd Heard. Knowing the various southern state's possessive nature
(even now) It made anthropoligial and sociological sense to me.
Knowing the south's nature to treasure relics
Quoting otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
For balance? Mainly I don't want a post reveler getting dizzy and hurling
more colour onto it. :P
snicker. probably a good thought.
And thinking of multi- colours, this reminded me of someone I know who made
a man's Landsknecht in various Hawaiian print
Sorry for taking so long to reply to this.
I chose Janet Arnold's method of making the wheel because it uses the least
amount of fabric. This has been a pet project of mine for some time. I
believe that if you had to weave the fabric yourself, then you wouldn't
waste any of it. So a lot of
One of the local theater groups in Santa Rosa, CA, is also doing Urinetown. Is
this yet another production, or is this being costumed by one of you? If the
latter, it gives me even greater incentive to go. :-)
~mary
(Sorry for the late reply, I got behind on this list and I'm still trying to
hello,
Does anyone know what time the Pirates of the Caribbean was
supposedly set in? It's not my period. My kids want costumes to
wear to the premier this summer of Pirates part deaux.
Thanks!
Althea Turner
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to
Hi De,
No it was fine that you sended the URL. I read all of it, finds it
interresting reading.
This is important to learn all those rules and unwritten manners, i was glad
you sended it,
Thanks
Bjarne
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From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume
Ah, but what I find interesting about this piece besides the outer design is
the placement of the tassels...and their possible function. I may be off
the wall, but because of the slowness of total vision as the picture came up
on my screen, I viewed the tassels attachment as a possibly second
I believe all of the above fabrics can be made from silk but does anyone
know when the earliest examples of them stem from?
Are they 12th or 20th century inventions. Just curious to know.
--
Caroline
We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop
playing.
G B Shaw
It might be useful to Bjarne to know that in 1775 in England, at least,
hand-kissing was not necessarily literal. Witness this dialogue from Richard
Brinsley Sheridan's The Rivals. Bob Acres, a country squire eager to appear
sophisticated during a visit to Bath, is meeting with his acquaintance
Hello All,
I was hesitating to answer this question, as I have no documentation to
prove the point. What I can say is that I do work in the !8th Century, and
at work I was taught the prop[er procedure is to kiss the air, or blow
across the hand, not to make any actual contact. I suspect
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006, Caroline wrote:
I believe all of the above fabrics can be made from silk but does
anyone know when the earliest examples of them stem from?
Are they 12th or 20th century inventions. Just curious to know.
I'd like to know, too, whether anyone doing historic costume
The reason I ask is that I have been looking at the ladies on the Luttrell
Psalter and it is clear both mother and daughter on the knight on horseback
page are wearing both wimples and veils. The fabric drawn is a transparent
white and the only thing I can think it is chiffon or tulle.
There are
My daughter has chosen the portrait of young Princess Elizabeth for her
costume. It is the pink one, Flemish School 1546-1547.
Can anyone tell me what colors the sleeves and the front panel are? They seem
very pink to me. http://www.sapphireandsage.com/necklaces.html
I can't tell if it has a
I believe the verdict has been that although many of the characters are
well-dressed for their time period, each character seems to have a different
time period, ranging from the 1680s through the 1750s or thereabouts. And the
pirate characters have a mix of lovely authentic garments mixed with
It was said that Henry VIII had problems with Anne's Germanic body shape and
was heard to once comment that her form was that of a whore. It seems he
preferred the small breasted, virginal looking body with his women. This was
from a BBC program on Henry.
De
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Thanks for
About mid 1700s though it looks like it could be getting into the late
1700s.
Some patterns.
Standard halloween
http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B3236=xTI=10
013page=8 B3236
A bit cheeze but you can alter it.
Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are attached.
There is no strap showing. Is the pearl necklace in her bodice or is it
attached to the edges of a very translarent partlet? One description said
the beading trim was attached to the under layer. What under layer? Was
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From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was said that Henry VIII had problems with Anne's Germanic body shape
and
was heard to once comment that her form was that of a whore. It seems he
preferred the small breasted, virginal looking body with his women. This
was
from
My impression was mid to late 1500s. Though the tassels are something that I
would have seen on some Germanic pouches.
http://www.ledermuseum.de/vollbild/seiten/42_e.htm
De
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Or even the 19th C? The overall scrolling of the fleur de lis design with
the addition of some
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Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:03:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Tulle, Chiffon, Organza
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On Mon, 20 Feb
At 23:40 20/02/2006, you wrote:
Thank you for the description. I still wonder how the sleeves are
attached. There is no strap showing. Is the pearl necklace in her
bodice or is it attached to the edges of a very translarent partlet?
One description said the beading trim was attached to the
kelly grant wrote:
I like how Ninya uses the short bones down the centrefront edges
though, and will try that out as mine are collapsing at the moment. I
also need to make yet another bum roll, mine *still* isn't large enough!
Something we discovered in the process of making the bumroll is
Thanks for all your responses to my questions. It has ben interresting
reading for me.
I am preparing myself in manners because i am going to visit Mauritia and
Kim Kirchner in Germany at next weekend. They are having a costume party
weekend, and i have butterflies in my belly because i look so
Silk Tulle was invented in the last quarter of 18th century.
Tulle (name of a french town) was originally a bobbin lace mesh, then they
invented a machine to do it much faster.
Its just made with cross- twist- twist- twist. cross-twist-twist-twist and
so on
I believe that the
I've seen various reproductions of this portrait and Elizabeth's dress
is more crimson(red) than pink.
Try Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800 by Jean Hunnisett for
modern scale patterns for this ensemble. The probable faux undersleeves
and upper sleeve lining and underskirt or more
Why Joan - however fine linen gets I've never seen it transparent. Silk can
be transparent and is evidenced in the archaeological record.
It is only these women where the veil appears transparent - all the other
pictures I have looked at for example
Holkham PBB
http://tinyurl.com/rlwa6
the Mac
My impression was mid to late 1500s. Though the tassels are something that
I
would have seen on some Germanic pouches.
http://www.ledermuseum.de/vollbild/seiten/42_e.htm
http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/M91_165.jpg
I have saved that image too. Is it from Lacma?
Yep:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can always use natural or white organza for linings, or dye it for
some other purpose! I could probably use chiffon, too. I bet others
feel the same way, especially those who don't only do period
costuming, or aren't extremely anal about
Hi
Yes i heard this also. In the same program wich also was showed here in
Denmark, he told us that Henry complainted of her flat hanging breasts.
Those were the words, sorry ladies.. He could not get any lust for
her att all
Bjarne
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From: E
In 18th century they used a lot of silk gauge wich is a very light
transparent silk fabric used for all those trimmings and decorations they
used all over at the second part of 18th century. A nice natural white
chiffon would be a good substitute for this...
Bjarne
Leif og Bjarne
Actually the owner of Calontir trim and I was reminded that it was someone
else who made it for him.
De
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And thinking of multi- colours, this reminded me of someone I know who
made
a man's Landsknecht in various Hawaiian print fabric. Bright colors too.
Sounds like
Linen also can be fine enough to be transparent.
Joan
At 01:33 PM 2/20/2006, you wrote:
Why Joan - however fine linen gets I've never seen it transparent. Silk can
be transparent and is evidenced in the archaeological record.
It is only these women where the veil appears transparent - all
Made in France...I wonder how it would look if you changes the fabric color
and wore it with this?
http://www.marileecody.com/isabel.jpg
De
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I have saved that image too. Is it from Lacma?
Yep:
http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/C_t02_mm/full/M91_165.jpg
Mine is in Palo Alto, Ca. I can't speak for Kelly. There is also a version
at my daughter's old performing arts department here in Newark... I think
when Broadway releases these shows they get snapped up by everyone!
If it's not terribly far from you, come see ours in Palo Alto at the Lucie
Quoting otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Actually the owner of Calontir trim and I was reminded that it was someone
else who made it for him.
Drix. Hmmm. Could have been Joel, I guess.
Jerusha
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Susan Farmer
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University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary
Oh. I think I get it. You mean garments with tiny pleats, and not tiny,
pleated garments. Gotta love the English language! ;o)
I *thought* you were referring to the now-discredited theory of a corselet
being worn around the torso of people in bliaut.
--Sue
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From:
When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in 2002, and
saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange to it
at all.
The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base cut and
voided velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this case, is
When did you see it in the Portrait Gallery? I was in England in 2002, and
saw the painting at Windsor. The dress was screaming pink, no orange to
it
at all.
The forepart and undersleeves are made of a gold pile/cream base cut and
voided velvet, although I suspect that the pile, in this
for what it's worth, according to my cunningtons and beard, tulle is a fine
silk bobbin net first made by machine at Nottingham in 1768.
Organza doesn't appear (the closest is organdie).
and chiffon is dated to 1890, and described as a delicate silk barege or
grenadine (both of those are
In a message dated 2/20/2006 7:05:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I could probably use chiffon, too. I bet others
feel the same way, especially those who don't only do period costuming,
You forget20th century is period. Chiffon is just ideal for many
teens,
Misremembering happens to all of us! g Seriously, though, it could be two
different copies--I know that some of the portraits of Elizabeth I (as
queen) and her sister, Mary, were done multipe times--there's that great
chapter in QEUnlocked that talks about them. So it could be that,
especially
When I got my set of swatches from Dharma a couple of years ago, I was
surprised to find out that the barely there veiling in all those Italian
portraits was a real fabric. (My taste runs to linen and wool with
interesting weaves.)
Dharma has white silk gauze in two weights and widths, here:
My son is wanting to grow out his mustache to make a handlebar style. He wants
to know does he needs to grow out the whiskers across the entire mustache? Just
the sides or under his nose? If anyone knows of a website that can give him
directions or care for this style of mustache he would
Do you think that Elizabeth had a partlet in the 1547 portrait? I can't tell
from the images I have. If she does it must have been majorly transparent.
I found a fabric that is almost the same color of the fabric in the
portrait, down to the overall pattern. I couldn't remember what the sleeves
Has anyone been watching curling at the Olympics? Does anyone know what kind
of shoes the athletes are wearing? I thought at first they were skates. But
they are not. They are soled shoes that glide on the ice easily.
Any opinions on the ice dancing costumes? There must have been a sale
On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote:
Any opinions on the ice dancing costumes? There must have been a sale
on skin-toned beige. LOL! I heard today that one rule is that the
women could not show their navels. The featured swan costume was
molting! Maybe she should have met
The curling shoes have a rubber slip on sole that they use to walk on
the ice. They remove the slip on part to reveal a composition sole
that glides. This they use this sole when they are throwing the
stone. They replace the over -portion for the balance of the time.
I heard the
In a message dated 2/21/2006 12:16:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He wants to know does he needs to grow out the whiskers across the entire
mustache?
He needs to just grow a regular 'stache long and comb the two halves away
from each other. He might need to
I'm trying to track down a European sewing magazine for a friend. Does anyone
know where I can get a copy of the November 2001 Burda Magazine (prefereable
in English)?
Thanks.
Kathleen Norvell
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Susan,
Thank you for the explanation. So are you hooked on curling too? It looks
like a combination of the games, pool and marbles. Both I loved to play
when I was young.
Penny E. Ladnier
Owner,
The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com
Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com
Aha Bjarne - I have evidence for 'silk grege' from medieval Scotland. It
appears to raw silk (still gummed) with, interestingly, gold painted onto
it. I would expect that to be quite stiff - used for hats today I believe.
Helen - I think what I am trying to explore is the transparent fabric on
Thank you Albert Cat! He will really appreciate your advice. He has been
growing his hair and beard out. He said when the mustache get long enough,
he is cutting his hair and beard. Then he is going to leave the mustache
for a week.
Penny E. Ladnier
Owner,
The Costume Gallery,
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And organdy is a standard for children's clothes from the turn of the 19th
century to the present [especially in the 50s]. ...
Organdy makes great petticoats or ruffles for petticoats. And, as someone
mentioned, is a great stabilizer to put in
I've got a 4 yard piece of linen that I got at an estate sale that is sheer
enough to easily read through; it's as sheer as chiffon. When I first got
it, I did a burn test and also tested it in bleach and it's definately
linen.
It has a stamped image on it (maybe 2x2) that indicates the
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