Umm, scandalous idea...why not early 17thC, Venetians and a boring ol'
doublet? They would be in the rightish time period for black powder(cannon).
Fencers are already wearing that time period, even though most in the SCa
do not approve. It isn't a very poufy time period, he'd still be
Yes, I would have suggested that, but I thought the SCA stopped at 1600? He
could wear doublet and breeches (no codpiece) with a plain falling band - no
need for lace or ribbons if he doesn't want them.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/02/2006 11:45
Hello all,
Want to thank you all for your intputs of my questions regarding greetings
bows and manners.
I travel to Frankfurt tomorrow early morning to visit the most excelent
crafters of costume making in Europe. They were so kind to invite me for a
full weekend event at Frankfurt. I have packed
What really interests me is that Simplicity is coming out with reasonably high
quality, mass produced stuff that is a step or two beyond costume.
This and Martha McCains stuff, while geared to a mass market of modern
sewists, to me looks pretty good, more authentic than just the
In a message dated 2/23/2006 8:56:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And does this mean that some section of the costumer/reenactor community has
reached a critical mass that is being recognized by the/a major pattern
company?... That it's worth their while to
I have this exact problem with my hubby too. Here is what I have
proposed to him and he seems close to accepting it. He has even
considered tights as long as his coat comes over his hips.
http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/bruegel/pieter_e/painting/children/
(This by Pieter the Elder)
Look
Dear Bjarne,
If you're going to be among the most excellent crafters of costume making in
Europe, you should be perfectly at home. Have a wonderful time. It would be
wonderful for us to see pictures if you're permitted to post them.
By the way, did your stockings from Jas. Townsend finally
THANK YOU! Subject of idle speculation on my part from time to time for years!
I'm accustomed to being mildly disconcerted by some British terminology, but
this one finally makes sense!
--Ruth Anne Baumgartner
scholar gypsy and amateur costumer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Leif og Bjarne Drews
www.my-drewscostumes.dk
http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/
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Hi,
I was wondering wat kind of shoes a men would be wearing at a ball in
1800-1810.
I have some pictures of men but they are wearing boots and I am not sure
if that would be right for dancing.
Greetings,
Deredere
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In a message dated 2/22/2006 9:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At least Simplicity's designer had something to work with besides Thin
Air!
*
C'mon Susannobody works from thin air. Don't you watch Project Runway???
;-)
Or corn. (No, I'm not kidding...the fiber is known as ingeo, if I'm not
mistaken). Both soy and corn produce something similar to silk, fiber-wise.
I have not spun it myself, or knitted with it, though. Some people like it,
some don't.
--Sue
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From: E House [EMAIL
Tricky.
What about something like
http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?45768+0+0
It does involve tight-fitting hose from the knee down at least, but it's
somewhat butch and knee-length, with a great gown (call it an overcoat!)
overtop.
Or this
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan18.jpg
NO-
Wearing nylons white:-/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] modes bows and manners
Dear Bjarne,
If you're going to be among the most excellent
At 14:56 23/02/2006, you wrote:
*koff*
Speaking as a long-term, albeit fairly relaxed, SCA member, that sort of
outfit also occurs in the 16th. (dang, but this is hard to type with a
pyrring cat in one's arms!)
At any rate, there are less-poofy doublets and such in Janet Arnold. The
one
I can't wait for the 18cent patterns that Martha McCain/Simplicity that are
rumored to be coming out sometime in the future. Martha McCain, I know you
are out there...You go girl.
18c Mia in Charlotte, NC.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I've been working on the 18th
century
Finally I have pictures!
Doesn't he look handsome :-) .
http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19man/Men19th/Men19th.html
The hat he is wearing is an original from 1850 at least that is wat
toled to me.
It is my fhirst 19th century men's costume and I think I can do better
but I am happy it is
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In a message dated 2/22/2006 9:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At least Simplicity's designer had something to work with besides Thin
Air!
*
C'mon Susannobody works from thin air. Don't you watch Project
Quoting Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yes, I would have suggested that, but I thought the SCA stopped at
1600? He could wear doublet and breeches (no codpiece) with a plain
falling band - no need for lace or ribbons if he doesn't want them.
The official cut-off is pre-16th Century but
If I may be so bold as to add another word of encouragement to you,
Martha, I'm very much looking forward to your 18th century line as well.
I am a huge fan of your mid 19th century patterns and I know that you
will do the 18th century proud as well.
Karen
Seamstrix
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006
Out of curiosity and basically ignorance on this style of embroidery, what is
the earliest documentable date redwork was used on garments? It is stunning!
Thanks to everyone for bringing this to the list.
Carletta
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Umm, scandalous idea...why not early 17thC, Venetians and a boring ol'
doublet? They would be in the rightish time period for black
powder(cannon).
*You have cannons in the 16th century
http://www.st-max.org/images/woodcuts/Landsknecht_Artillery-3.jpg
Fencers are
At 9:27 AM -0700 2/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I've been working on the 18th
century patterns for a almost two years. (The people at Simplicity assume
I'm dead.) These are much harder to make mass-marketable than the Civil War
ones. By the mid
At least Simplicity's designer had something to work with besides
Thin
Air!
*
C'mon Susannobody works from thin air. Don't you watch Project
Runway???
;-)
Actually, my husband does. I've watched precious little TV with this
dissertation. Any Babylon 5 fans here?
Quoting Catherine Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
you mean:
Thin air? Why is it always thin air? Never fat air, chubby air,
mostly-fit-could-stand-lose-a-few-pounds air?
-- Garibaldi to a Supervisor in Babylon 5:Grey 17 is Missing
ye! And the temptation is to say, I think my favorite
otsisto wrote:
Fencers are already wearing that time period, even though most in the SCa
do not approve.
It's tolerated but SCA time frame ends Dec.31 1600, so I'm sure you can
understand why some disaprove of people dressing in clothing past that
ending date.
Kind of like someone showing up
Becky wrote:
If you follow fashion, sometimes I think they use thin air to hold the
garments on the models. No wait they use double sticky tape, don't they?
I guess that brings up the story of the Emperor's New clothes
No, no, they use PhotoShop.
Fran
Lavolta Press
Hi folks!
I'm about to embark on my first post-elizabethan corset. I'd prefer to draft it
myself, but since I don't have time for that, I'm making it from the Butterick
pattern, which I believe is a mid-18th century corset.
Susan wrote:
Any Babylon 5 fans here? Anybody remember Garibaldi's monolog on
why thin air??
(raises hand, looks around, sees Catherine...)
--Robin
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.
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If you're thinking about 16th century Bruegel peasant, don't miss this web
site: http://www.houseofpung.net/cgi-bin/clothes.cgi/flemish/man/index.html
I didn't think my husband would go for the tights, either, but when I showed
him the pictures at the above site of a real modern-day guy
Belatedly sharing the reason I could pull that quote from, hrmmmp, 'thin
air' :);
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Quotes/B5-quotes.html
Susan; it's fun to cruise for stress relief :).
Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've
always thought this show was one of the better
Though they are not images of extant shoes, so not as useful for details
as the image Marc posted, here are some drawings of people dancing. They
should provide an idea of what men's dance shoes were like, at least at
the latter end of your date range (and a bit beyond):
Susan wrote:
Any Babylon 5 fans here? snip
On monologues, Robin wrote:
--Robin
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.
Colleen raises hand as a B5 fan - thanks to Robin's influence ;-)
Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova. Commander. Daughter of Andre and Sophie
Ivanov. I am
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Catherine Kinsey wrote:
Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've
always thought this show was one of the better examples for using
costuming to define characters, especially the different alien races.
Someone certainly had a lot of fun
Quoting Catherine Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Belatedly sharing the reason I could pull that quote from, hrmmmp, 'thin
air' :);
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Quotes/B5-quotes.html
My kid (almost 18) cut his teeth on that show. He has them all
memorized -- especially Zathrus, Garibaldi, and some
Quoting Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Catherine Kinsey wrote:
Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've
always thought this show was one of the better examples for using
costuming to define characters, especially the different alien races.
In a message dated 2/23/2006 10:26:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Flat pumps, very like ladies' shoes of the same period.
Ditto--definitely NOT boots--they were not proper for the drawing room nor
for the ballroom.
My husband wears a loafer type shoe, but
Dawn wrote:
You might also get him in touch with another SCA guy, so he can talk
to someone who is enthusiastic about (or at least comfortable with )
the clothing. I've known a lot of guys afraid of looking silly, until
the peer pressure convinced them that baby blue velvet pants with a
I find one of the major selling points for late sixteenth century
venetians is pockets. Modern men always want to carry stuff in their
pockets, ranging from car-keys to wallets and folding knives.
Although the venetians (with a pocket set into the side) in Patterns of
Fashion 1 are dated after
With the Centauri the elements seemed more baroque and rococo that flowed
into a Napoleonic style towards the end. I would say that the Centauri
cultural look was French based. I like B5 over Star Trek with costume
representation of alien race is that though both show a style, B5 had
wonderful
Welp, I heard back from Thai Silks about the natural protein fiber--I'm
actually disappointed. It's NOT the soy stuff!
Here's their response:
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From: thai silks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is produced from a rougher less continuously filamented part of the
cocoon--sort of
By the way, I want to make this clear--I know this isn't an absolutely
authentic shoe for the period, but one that is readily available and not as
expensive as custom made. We DID go with custom-made boots for him which were
outrageously expensive but are so comfortable that he wears them
Hi. Since I am one of those folks firing off cannon at SCA events,
perhaps I can help. First, before even discussing styles, let me say
that I would not only recommend, but practically insist, that everything
worn be of a natural material. I don't wear potential napalm on my body
and don't
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:33 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Re: Martha to Mia - I needed that!
I'm waiting for these patterns too! My main area of interest is
Elizabethan, but I've always wanted an 18th century outfit,
Kate M Bunting wrote:
Yes, I would have suggested that, but I thought the SCA stopped at 1600? He
could wear doublet and breeches (no codpiece) with a plain falling band - no
need for lace or ribbons if he doesn't want them.
Yes, it does. But that would still allow him exactly what you
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By the way, I want to make this clear--I know this isn't an absolutely
authentic shoe for the period, but one that is readily available and not as
expensive as custom made. We DID go with custom-made boots for him which
were
outrageously expensive but are so comfortable
but I'm hopeless at drafting (partly because I have trouble getting
somebody to do accurate measurements for me) or enlarging patterns
Sigh unfortunately I had to learn to draft because I am a really odd shape,
even taking into account the fact that commercial patterns are based on an
ideal
On Thursday 23 February 2006 9:56 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Remember, leather and boots greatly butch up an outfitbut are
expensive.
I say: if he wants butch, make him pay for his leather and boots
himself. :-)
--
Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Physics is like sex; sure,
Geoffrey Chaucer hath a blog. Really:
http://houseoffame.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/
Only a handful of posts, but in September he wrote about costume:
for a while ther I wolde breke a swete bifor I had ypassed St. Katherines
chirche
now I kanne weare mine woolen hosen, and mine little hatte
I got a catalog today and it has soy fibers in it. Do you want the title or
where to find the stuff?
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From: E House [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Re: Natural Protein Fiber
On Thursday 23 February 2006 3:37 pm, Adele de Maisieres wrote:
Dawn wrote:
You might also get him in touch with another SCA guy, so he can talk
to someone who is enthusiastic about (or at least comfortable with )
the clothing. I've known a lot of guys afraid of looking silly, until
the
the flour sack towels available at walmart, etc are actually just basic
muslin. if you ask for cotton muslin at the fabric area you will have
a similar stuff.
The osnaburg I was given when I asked for it one place was a light
weight twill, which I love for pillows, but I've heard on other
Thanks for forwarding this. I laughed so loud that the cats came over to
see what was wrong
--Sue
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From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historic Costume List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:11 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Almost OT, Chaucer
In a message dated 2/23/2006 7:55:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is produced from a rougher less continuously filamented part of the
cocoon--sort of sandwiched in between the outer husk and the inside
continuous filament. It is all silk.
I was wondering
In a message dated 2/23/2006 8:41:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(you wouldn't consider following 18th century
with 16th century would you?
I believe Martha prefers to work from as many original garments as she can
get her hands on. Alas, there are precious
In a message dated 2/23/2006 8:48:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can still find formal men's pumps today. You might try your local
tuxedo supply places.
Not in the wide widths, that I have found, and my husband has WIDE feet!
However, for those with a
I got to see one of the G'Kar costumes at the Seattle Science Fiction Museum
last weekend. The costume is almost all created out of hot glue and bits
and pieces. I was so bummed to hear that Andreas Katsulas passed away from
inoperable lung cancer on 13 February.
loved smoking with a passion
Another thing snug fitting sleepwear can do is prevent so much oxygen
from getting to the flame.A flame which is trying to light a snug
fitting pyjama might not catch so easily nor burn so well.
Joannah Hansen wrote:
The thing about 'snug-fitting' sleepwear for children has the rationale
Quoting Wanda Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I got to see one of the G'Kar costumes at the Seattle Science Fiction Museum
last weekend. The costume is almost all created out of hot glue and bits
and pieces. I was so bummed to hear that Andreas Katsulas passed away from
inoperable lung cancer on 13
Looks GREAT!
Susan
Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel
too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark
Trail by Louis L'Amour
On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Deredere Galbraith wrote:
Finally I have pictures!
Doesn't he look handsome :-) .
Quoting Elizabeth Walpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
Me too! I primarily do Tudor (you wouldn't consider following 18th
century with 16th century would you? there might be a big enough
market in the Ren faires and SCA) but I'm rather a timeperiod magpie
(ooh look pretty dresses) so I jump
Oh, man; I *hate* that. Small cell lung cancer is a truly ugly
disease. The *two* year survival rate is *20%*
Susan, whose beloved Mother-in-law lived 13 months with small cell.
-
My father passed away after fighting emphysema for about 7 years. It was a
mercy because he was bright
While my S.O. was wearing knee length t-tunics before I ever met him, he won't
wear hose on a bet. However, weight gain plus an unwillingness to buy new
clothes made me realize that, as long as his footwear covers the ankle,
sweatpants in a size or two too small make a good substitute. They
I believe Martha prefers to work from as many original garments as she can
get her hands on. Alas, there are precious few extant 16th century
garments
available for study and are there any at all in the U.S.? - Ann Wass
So send me to England - to Europe - to Kyoto!!! Have tape measure, will
Quoting Martha Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I believe Martha prefers to work from as many original garments as she can
get her hands on. Alas, there are precious few extant 16th century
garments
available for study and are there any at all in the U.S.? - Ann Wass
So send me to England - to
Occasionally, I think men need to be shown a short video of women's
reactions to their clothes and presentation. Guys, we don't even notice
you in your dark blue tunic with the dark red facing and black trousers.
The video would undoubtely show us gushing Ooo, Terese, look at that guy
in the
At 08:21 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:
Out of curiosity and basically ignorance on this style of embroidery, what
is the earliest documentable date redwork was used on garments? It is
stunning!
Thanks to everyone for bringing this to the list.
Carletta
I am no expert on this field, but my
At 11:46 AM 2/22/2006, you wrote:
Is there anything that they cannot use soybeans for?
Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender
John Marshall, a North of the SF Bay area artist who creates Japanese
garments and paints them (such a crude word for his artistry) uses soybeans
for fixing the
At 11:19 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:
Belatedly sharing the reason I could pull that quote from, hrmmmp, 'thin
air' ;
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Quotes/B5-quotes.html
Susan; it's fun to cruise for stress relief .
Costume content: besides the great characters and storyline, I've
always thought
I am sorry that Andreas Katsulas passed on. My husband heard about it
on a blog, but I never saw it in the papers or in the news (I may have
missed it). May he rest in peace. Andreas will always be remembered by
his many fans as the one and only G'Kar.
Scifi news had this (as well as info
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