Thanks to those who replied to my query.
I never received the digest in which my original posting appeared (317?) If
there were any replies in that, could someone kindly forward it to me?
Thanks,
Kate Bunting
Librarian 17th century reenactor.
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At a re-enactment event at the weekend, someone mentioned that she had heard
that women's bodices were called waistcoats in the early 17th century. No-one
else was aware of this. I'm sure I have seen mention of the waistcoat as a
woman's garment on this list, but can anyone clarify the
Monica Spence wrote:
The Rijksmuseum (Rembrandt Museum) and Anne Frank's house are both must-see
places in Amseredam.
And, if you're a Rembrandt fan, there is his own house too (though it's more
than 30 years since I was there...).
Kate
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Becky Rautine wrote:
Sorry, the second S is on her large necklace like a baron would wear or an
official ensignia. Are there many portraits where the person wears 2
necklaces? I thought they wore a necklace and the belt-like part (I can't
think of what it's called right now.
Isn't this the
Candace wrote:
The Amish, I do believe, wear poly doubleknit almost exclusively...
Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have
expected them to stick to natural fibres.
Kate Bunting
Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian
University of Derby
I'm probably the nearest, in Derby, but Bakewell's at the other end of the
county and I'm not expecting to be making a trip up there in the foreseeable
future. I'll have a look in the local history section here in the library and
see if there are any photos.
Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008
Monica wrote:
As for the later period... maybe. Charles I was notoriously sympathetic to
Catholics because of Henrietta Maria, his wife.
Yes, but he was emphatically not one himself. Supporters of Archbishop Laud's
policies in the Church of England were accused by the Puritans of being
Papist,
--
Karen wrote:
I think that you have a good idea about the skirt but you may be a bit off
base on the necklace. If you look
closely at the vertical elements you can see they form the initials I and H.
In period it was
common/fashionable to wear the symbol of 'IHS'
Bambi wrote:
WEll actually ...do you remember having the spool with the nails and the yarn
got looped over the nail and then you wrapped again and...well if you ever
had one...this is making sense...a knitting loom is sort of like that
concept with the lay the yarn out nd loops come through
Jane wrote:
A question has come up on another list about mourning colors in Europe during
the Renaissance. Black was
obviously worn for fashion, not necessarily mourning. Some sources say that
white was worn for mourning in
France. What say you?
I only know that there's a famous portrait
I wear a pocket in that style (with my own design of embroidery) with my 1640s
outfit, because I like them and it doesn't show, but I, too, understood that
they were really 18th century. I thought I had read that 17th century ones were
plain.
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:40:46 -0500
I looked at the pictures before reading other people's comments.
I agree that 2 looks Scottish. I've never seen Robin Hood portrayed wearing a
kilt!
The headdresses in 4 reminded me of ancient Cretan art.
7 looked to me more Australian Aborigine than African, with the heavy beards
and the
Dianne wrote:
Point was simply that it would be harder for an American to distinguish
between regional British accents, as it would be hard for someone from
England to distinguish between say, Michigan and Ohio.
and Susan Carroll-Clark replied :
Those states in particular are a really
http://www.livinghistory.dk/index.html
Wow indeed! What a fascinating site, with some quite haunting portraits. In
English churches you can see memorials with sculpted portraits of the deceased,
but never oil paintings. I gather a lot of the subjects must be clergymen, as
they're wearing
Sharon Collier wrote:
. Before acrylics, we
used
to make our own paint, using hoof-and-horn glue. We called it casein paint.
You mixed the ground up stuff (hooves and horns, apparently) up with water,
heated it and mixed in dry pigment.
--
Dianne wrote:
Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania
accent?
How about Kentucky and Texas?
OK, point taken!
and Jean Waddie wrote:
I went and checked with my husband about the original books, I assume
that's what the writer
Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and
Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a
Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield.
Saragrace wrote:
I know this may start a firestorm, but I saw this and was wondering why it had
I'm no expert on mediaeval costume, but I did happen to read yesterday that,
before it became customary to show the Magi as of different races (to signify
all peoples acknowledging Jesus), they used to be portrayed as representing
different age groups.
Of the 3 figures presenting containers,
I love St. Margaret's bag. It's uncannily like the Greek shepherds' bags
which we all carried our books in when I was a student in the early 70s.
Kate
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:36:00 EST
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Subject: Re: [h-cost]
Cynthia wrote:
In this example, the costs are is 14d, where the d is denarius = a
unit of money. I'm not clear how or why the Brits kept using d to
refer to the old shilling coin. Perhaps it was a silver coin just as
the roman denarius was? I leave to someone from the other side of the
pond to
Otsisto wrote:
Muckinger or Muckender (Ger. schnupftuch (sp?) )Is a handkerchief. This is
the first I have heard of it being two layers but I am not an expert on
this.
-Original Message-
I have a quick question for those of you who go to the
Bristol Ren Faire.
Ansel was asking me to
My first thought also was that it must have been an 18th-century themed ball,
especially as the Cotillion was a dance of that period.
Kate Bunting
Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian
University of Derby
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A few men in our 17th century society like to wear black shirts and claim
historical justification, but the practice is generally frowned on.
As for when shirts ceased to be considered as underwear (i.e. it became
acceptable to be seen in public with a large part of the shirt showing), I
agree
Julie wrote:
Interesting. My daughter mentioned malaria but I told her it couldn't be that
because it's tropical. Cholera was mentioned as well. I was thinking along
the lines of the horrible influenza in the U.S. in 19...teens that killed so
many. Wasn't it called the Spanish Influenza?
Congratulations on your recovery, Barbara - hope you continue to do well.
Sharon wrote:
I hope you have a speedy and complete recovery! Handwork is perfect for
recovery. My mom embroidered a whole tablecloth while recovering from
surgery and every time we used it, she'd tell us the story. :-)
And what about her hair? It surely can't be beaded, so is she wearing some sort
of beaded veil?
(another) Kate
So what is she wearing around her neck? A choker, then a necklace, then
another band?
Or is this all attached to a skin colored chemise or transparent chemise?
Kate
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Barbara Maren wrote :
http://www.longago.com/colonialmen.html
My still-fiance has pretty much told me that what he would like is the
1790's Frock Coate' 1837 - 1890 from this page, but they are saying
on their main page that they (Harper House) have just changed hands
and moved and might not
Sharon Collier wrote:
Dangerous Liaisons ISBN# 9-780300-107142 (I'm not sure if the 9 is part
of the number.
It is. The new 13-digit ISBNs all start with 978.
Kate Bunting
Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian
University of Derby
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I agree that this discussion has gone on long enough, but...
No library determines US copyright law. What you are describing is
merely the policy of your particular library.
Fran
I don't know what Kinko's is, but in a university library copying of a
section
of a book (1 chapter or 5%) for
Robin wrote:
Copying pages or chunks here and there is something that happens
every day in every university library and Kinko's.
and Fran replied
Ah: So since every crime and violation of law happens every day,
somewhere, itÆs OK for you to commit any of them?
I don't know what Kinko's
Interesting. I have a minimal figure and wear a bra for appearance rather than
necessity (don't fancy Penny's sticking-plaster idea!). I always choose
underwired styles so that if I slip out from underneath it holds its shape and
I can shrug myself back in! I've never had a problem with the
I like the fact that the lady uses an electric poking-stick (I can understand
enough of the text to make that out)!
British clergy don't wear ruffs, but some boy choristers wear pleated neckbands
or other styles of archaic neckwear. My friends' son who was head chorister at
Chichester Cathedral
Alexandria Doyle wrote:
So is there somewhere I can get a look at this article without buying
the book? With a cut of hours, my budget has gotten really tight, and
I don't know how long it's going to last...
Do you have a local library that does inter-library loan?
Kate Bunting
Librarian 17th
What beautiful pictures! The young lady in light green looks particularly
exquisite.
I notice some of the gentlemen have moustaches or small beards. Is this correct
for the period? I once spent a year in Lausanne, Switzerland, where the local
patriotic hero, Major Davel, is always shown with a
Ann Wass wrote :
Oh my gosh--having to hook the stockings to the little tabs--ugh! And
managing the whole assemblage in the restroom. . . .
I confess, I don't wear hose most of the summer, but do prefer them now that
fall is here. I don't wear pants very often, and I do like something
Zuzana wrote:
Does anyone of you know any good sources (books or websites) on
peasant and lower-class clothing in the
16th or 17th century? All books say lots and lots about court and
aristocratic dresses, but no one obviously cares about peasants.
Melissa Brown Muckart wrote:
I am embarking on some Tudor costume. I am searching for a citation
for
the portrait on this page:
http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0296/0296_.htm
I've looked around the website and cannot find any contact information
for the website itself nor
Not having computer access at the weekend, I missed the discussion on
this topic, but I agree that the three women in the foreground don't
have enough petticoats and their shoulders poke out too much. The one on
the extreme right in the background looks better.
c.f.
Candace Perry wrote
[snip]
My colleague seems to think they could not have worn breeches, as
their
English counterparts might have here in the colonies. To him it seems
far
too formal for a farmer to be wearing breeches, but frankly I don't
know
otherwise. We have no artifact record to turn to,
Sorry, forgot to sign that last message.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
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Hanna wrote:
2002 was also the first year I remember ruffled
pirate shirts and chemises, worn with pumps and
cargo pants with lots of pockets and straps with
D-rings. It looked like the wearer wanted to fix
camping equipment to her pants. ;-)
I went on a birdwatching holiday to the Orkney
I'm a librarian (one of several on this list). I only make costumes to
support my hobby of reenactment, and haven't in fact made a garment for
some time. I'm just coming to the end of a long period when life has
been getting in the way; I hope to move house later this summer, and
when that's over
E. House wrote:
As a slight help, you don't have to figure out how to make umlauts with your
keyboard in order to successfully search. In general, you can replace any
umlauted vowel with vowel+e. For example, when searching for Dürer,
Duerer will get you to the same set of files. Durer,
It's well known that 18th century sideboards had a cupboard for a
chamber-pot, to be used by the gentlemen after the ladies had retired to
the drawing-room. No doubt in the more robust 17th century it was
considerd OK to do so in mixed company.
On the subject of bowdlerised paintings - isn't there
Linda Walton wrote :
This piece about the 'adventurous women' has excited my curiosity,
so that I'd love to know how they might
have hidden their dispatches. Unfortunately I've no idea what women
were wearing at the time. Would they
have sewn them into a hem? Tucked them into some sort of
This may be too late to be of any use to you (1799-1849) but the New
York Public Library has a nice collection of theater cards showing
actors in their costumes:
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?topic=artscollection=PennyPlainsandTwopencol_id=152
The costumes
From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes
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The Recruiting Officer was written by an Irishman but is set in
Shrewsbury, England. AFAIK it has a contemporary setting, so the actors
would have worn ordinary
A minor correction to Katherine's translation; not sure about Italian, but
certainly in French front means forehead.
Atifet - Cette coiffure sévère, portée par la veuve de Henri II et les
dames nobles de Paris jusqu'a la fin du XVIe siècle, rehaussait par deux
petites arcades les cotés du
I left school (near Derby, England) in 1969.
I can't remember the maximum distance above the knee that we were
allowed to wear our skirts (probably 3 in.), but I remember a row of
girls kneeling along the edge of the stage in the school hall to have
their skirts measured. Although I'm slim, I
No experience with small children, but...
Alexandria wrote:
As to how they did it in this era, I'm not sure. I can only think of
one
image of a little girl with leading stings. You can't tell she's
wearing
them, except her older sister is holding onto them.
They used strips of fabric sewn to
I think it was this Van Dyck portrait I was thinking of when I said I'd seen
the style before. I'm no expert, but isn't the bulge too low to be caused by
pregnancy?
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00891a11a.jpg
Dyck, Anton van, Der Maler Frans Snyders und seine Frau, um 1620, Bild,
Brilliant! I love the detail in the sleeves.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/03/2007 01:16
Wonderful!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007
I think I've seen stomachers like that from the early 17th century, that
curve out over the skirts. I do 1630-40s and make my stomachers
straight, to wear with a tapered bumroll as you describe.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Five Rivers Chapmanry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/03/2007
I watched a new version of Dracula at a friend's house during the
Christmas holiday. I'm not familiar with the book, but thought this was
fairly dire.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Gail Scott Finke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/03/2007 22:30
Did anyone catch the new Dracula, which
Some of you may remember that I've been a member of a 17th century music
group since 1998. After various false starts, the group's website has at
last got off the ground and can be seen at
http://www.generallsmusicandplayers.com/
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Agreed - I recently bought the DVDs of the BBC's Bleak House in which
Gillian Anderson is one of the leads - almost all the characters
superbly well cast (and the costumes pretty good too, not that I'm a
Victorian expert).
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Five Rivers Chapmanry
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/02/2007 23:27
wrote ... Musing, I wonder, if
in etymology (?) spangled meant strewn with. Or did the Star Spangled
banner mean that spangles were used to form stars on the flag
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26/01/2007 02:58 wrote:
Bear in mind that the meanings of many Victorian color names changed
from fashion season to fashion season; and also, different, trendier
names were often applied to the same old
Robin wrote:
From what I hear, the costume would be the least of the difficulty in
creating an accurate scene. There are also questions about what the
setting really was like, given the architecture and living
arrangements of
the time. Our vision is based primarily on translations of words into
AlbertCat wrote:
Where might the bride be going after the wedding? To the train station
to
commence the honeymoon? To a big whoop-de-do dinner after the
ceremony? How
might that affect things?
It's not 'til like the 1830's that special wedding dresses come into
play in
the 1st place, isn't
Susan Carroll-Clark wrote:
Eleanor, the Countess of Leicester, sister of Henry III and
definitely a Plantagenet, wears one on her seal. The seal also has
the
stylized planta genet (a sort of viney thing with a pod on the end),
It's not a vine, it's the broom plant (genista in Latin), a shrub
Bjarne,
In effect, they're apologising for the delay, but one of the books you
ordered has not yet been supplied to them by the publisher, and they beg
you to be patient for a few more days. They will let you know by e-mail
when they can fulfil your order.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century
Michaela wrote:
I thought that too, however in my most recent research project
covering
the elliptical hoop
though the early bustle (1865-1874) a noticeable percentage of
wedding
dresses were in the
evening dress style. No more then 25%, but a noticeable percentage
anyway.
I found it's
Two programmes on British TV over Christmas showed Victorian brides in
sleeveless dresses. One was the film of Nicholas Nickleby, the other a
version of Dracula. Dammit, you wear DAY clothes to a wedding! (or used to.)
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Before Christmas the BBC showed a film about preparing a Tudor feast, involving
some of the same people as were in the Green Valley project. It was filmed at
Haddon Hall here in Derbyshire, obviously in the summer although it was billed
as a Christmas programme. It's a wonderful house,
Ruth anne wrote:
Thanks--the Mickey Mouse remark was in an e-mail I had skipped over.
I reacted that fast because when I directed and costumed The Rivals,
my Lydia Languish wore her lover's miniature on a chain around her
neck and tucked into the bosom of her gown (in one scene she takes it
Lorina wrote:
I don't know if any of you are following TVO's
presentation of
the BBC series that follows the lives of several
archaeologists/experts who
are recreating life in the 16th century. Unlike most reality shows,
this one
is not set up for conflict, rather for discovery, hence
Robin, have you seen the instrument cases in the Triumph of Maximilian
series of engravings? e.g.
http://www.thinker.org/imagebase_zoom.asp?rec=3328201308440055 ?
Some years ago when I was portraying a 17th century military drummer
and wanted to carry a wind instrument hanging from my belt, I
Ruth Anne wrote:
But the article's comment The kings of France adopted high heels, as
did the aristocracy, which explains why poor people who couldn't
afford them were said to be down at their heels. sounds fishy to
me. My understanding (gleaned where? the mists of time make source
I knew I'd seen antique brass dog collars, but can't remember how the
leash was attached. The only one thrown up by a quick Google search is
http://www.alistairsampson.com/productdetails.asp?product_id=85 . I see
this has a rectangular slot which could have had a leather strap buckled
through it.
If they are slashes, the dark line looks to me like the shadow of the upper
edge of the slash, not any kind of binding.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
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Strangely, it seems to be Bjarne's posts in particular that I'm not
receiving. I see replies to messages of his but never get the original
message. Very odd.
Kate Bunting
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There's definitely something peculiar going on. As I complained last
week, I'm seeing replies to posts but never getting the original
message. I've just read a post from Sharon C. quoting Lyonet's question
about A Christmas Carol (as well as seeing some other replies to it
yesterday), but did not
or
the pineapple house on this page
http://www.noehill.com/sf/alta/default.asp
gables
http://community.webshots.com/album/441222666CUBxOm
liz young
Kate M Bunting wrote:
Sharon, I'm puzzled by your comment on Victorian houses. There are
thousands of houses in the UK that we would describe
I remember once seeing part of a 1950s film (an Edgar Allan Poe, I
think) which featured a woman in Elizabethan costume but with projecting
bosoms in the middle of her stomacher.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Melanie Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/09/2006 16:53
Scaramouche
Whose idea was it, I wonder, to dress characters from ancient history in
TV programmes in clothes made from what look like old flannelette
sheets? I watched the new series on Ancient Rome last night, and even
the Emperor wore tunics made from rough fabric with huge stitches round
the neckline.
Lovely! I'm envious - I'd love an excuse to wear Regency costume.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/09/2006
16:15
Hi,
We have been to a beautiful Regency ball in Germany.
It was our first Regency event.
Here are some pictures.
Great, thanks, Elizabeth! The new 17th century photos (Wenceslas Hollar
lady) are of me; having at last acquired a digital camera, I got a
friend to take some pics at the Sealed Knot event over August Bank
Holiday.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Elizabeth Walpole [EMAIL
I believe that Kate Greenaway's typical pictures interpreted the
children's fashions of the Regency era (though she did portray other
styles in some of her book illustrations). According to the Wikipedia
article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Greenaway , it was the
Aesthetic movement that
I thought the Sharpe stories were set at various times during the
Peninsular War (1808-13) and after. I believe the military uniforms were
pretty accurate.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Elizabeth Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/08/2006 23:14
BBC America's Playhouse show has been
I thought Cavalier referred to the English Civil War (though
reenactors of that period prefer to speak of Royalist/Parliamentarian
rather than Cavalier/Roundhead). The French word for knight is
chevalier, though IIRC cavalier means rider.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Seventeenth-century breeches, which were always fairly voluminous, were
closed with an unconcealed row of buttons. I suppose as the garment
became more close-fitting, a simple button closure must have been seen
as unattractive and the fall front evolved, with the buttons concealed
under the
The embroidered stomacher with the birds looks exquisite!
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
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Looking in the archives, I see this exhibition was discussed at the time, and
the catalogue was said to be expected in 2005. A copy has just turned up on my
desk for cataloguing (dated 2006!), and it is indeed a beautiful book, with
many 18th century paintings and prints as well as photos of
I was away when the original message was posted and, when I got back,
couldn't access the page. Now I have seen the corset, I agree with what
others have said. The long waist and dropped shoulders suggest to me the
1650s-60s.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
Just to clarify - what date are you actually talking about? To me,
1600s means 1600-1610, but a lot of people now seem to be using it to
mean the 17th century in general, in which case farthingales were no
longer worn by mid-century. Or was it a slip of the finger for 16th
century?
Kate Bunting
UK list members may be interested to know that I've discovered that the
Partners chain of stationers carry tissue paper which is stated to be
acid-free and suitable for vintage textiles (confirmed by email to head
office).
http://www.partners-stationers.co.uk/
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th
You are fortunate, Julian. There are no dress fabric shops left here in
Derby, England, only one or two market stalls, and the only one of those
that sold wool has now closed. I have to rely on the traders at
reenactment events for fabric suitable for historical costume.
Kate Bunting
Librarian
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/05/2006 02:22
On Monday 22 May 2006 3:42 pm, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote:
[snip]
So, when I joined the SCA, sewing became the way to obtain the
costumes I wanted. I think to this day I like having made something
more
Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the style.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/05/2006 02:21
Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this evening,
but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on
I hate sewing, though I quite enjoy embroidery and knitting. My Mum hated it
too, and I got little help or encouragement from needlework classes at school.
I used to make clothes for teenage dolls, but they were very crude and
amateurish.
I've made a few garments for myself, but mostly on odd
These were shown in the UK a few months ago. (Robert Lindsay, the leading
actor, comes from a town a few miles from my home city.) I liked the '50s
setting too (I was born in 1951), though as a detective drama I prefer Foyle's
War, set in the 1940s.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century
I made a man's civilian suit for myself when I gave up soldiering (to wear when
I didn't feel like trailing round in petticoats). I used a borrowed pattern
(Merchant Adventurers, I think). The breeches are gathered onto a solid
waistband closed with two buttons, and not attached to the doublet
No, I didn't use the word lost - that was another poster whom I was
supporting.
I found this: http://www.carolinaclassical.com/mendelssohn/index.html
(paragraphs 9 and 10) which gives some support to both assertions.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
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My 17th century costumes are mainly inspired by Hollar's engravings of women
http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/HOLLAR.HTM
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 26/04/2006 14:00
Speaking of historical paintings, what are your favorites for
costume
I assume it's the revival by Mendelssohn that Genie was referring to. Before
that, Bach's music may have been known to professional musicians but he wasn't
thought of as a major composer by the average music-lover.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 26/04/2006
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/04/2006 23:42
Considering how many people tragically died on the Titanic, and
considering that something is known about the more upper-crust ones at
least, I was amazed the producers didn't use a real story with main
characters who were really there.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/04/2006 13:48 wrote
... or the sad love lorn character [Poirot]...
I think you mean Pierrot - Poirot is Agatha Christie's Belgian detective!
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Kid gloves were commonly worn with smart clothing in the 19th century. A kid
is a young goat.
We also have a saying to handle something/someone with kid gloves meaning
very carefully or tactfully, kid gloves being thinner and more supple than
ordinary leather ones.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and
Sounds fantastic! Must look out for it.
Kate Bunting
Librarian and 17th century reenactor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/04/2006 23:53
The following book review was in a recent Library Journal.
I thought some of the list members might be interested.
The book just came out.
Sheryl N-D
Ribeiro, Aileen.
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