Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
I searched the archive http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/ for this year under hunting and found the thread. The picture is http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/2006 23:20 Thanks, Kate. Any one have the link to that print, handy, so I can catch up ? Susan Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark Trail by Louis L'Amour On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Kate M Bunting wrote: We discussed a 17th century print of a lady in a riding habit not long ago. It was in the 1660s that ladies began to wear habits with the upper half copying masculine attire. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sorry for this, testing but also latest projects if you are bored.
Kia ora Bjarne, Sorry for the delay a nasty stomache bug made me very ill for the last 48 hours, I'm back to being able to email again! Latest projects are: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/wishing.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/dracula/2mina.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/2cleves.htm Hi Michaela, Thanks for posting the links. I enjoyed it very much. Loved your bustle dresses, and how the h...did you make that picture with changeable colours? Thank you Bjarne, I am looking forward to making thse dresses rather than just pinning them together on the form:) The flashing picture for here: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/2cleves.htm Was made by me taking a portrait and changing the colours in it to make 6 different pictures, then I made them smaller and used a different image editor to create an animated gif. I've since simplified the style somewhat and have some progress images here: http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/tag/koeln Some of those entries haven't yet made it to my website but they will soon. As to the first part of my initial email.. this one went through immediately but an earlier email went through after it. I don't know if this was just at my end though. Hmmm.. I looked here: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/maillist.html And the posts are arriving there in the same order as I'm getting them, so the issue seems to be either the indra server or upstream rather than downstream. It's just frustrating replying to a topic and finding your post lost and then found well after the topic has changed;) One of those things that are notoriously difficult to figure out and then dealw ith.. it doesn't happen too often though:) michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/277 - Release Date: 8/03/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] what do renaissance seamen look like?
Well, if you're interested in the middle of the 16th century, we have a bit of an idea of what was worn on the Mary Rose, which sank in 1545. There were a number of leather jerkins found, as well as some wool garment fragments, some wool flat caps, leather shoes... that sort of thing. The info shouldn't be too hard to track down if you look up the Mary Rose. Cheers, Danielle At 05:13 PM 3/8/2006, you wrote: Hello All, The topic of Pirates at Renaissance events has been breached on another list, and it has me wondering... What would pirates or privateers of the English Renaissance looked like? I know what images of George Clifford, the privateering Earl looks like. I know what images of Raleigh, and Drake are like, but what would everyday privateers, pirates, or even basic seamen look like during the Elizabethan era? Thanks, Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Fresno, CA, USA Lady of the Wardrobe for Isle of Mann Guild Portraying at California's Central Valley Renaissance Faires Lady Clifford, Countess of Cumberland (Margaret Percy, Eleanor Brandon, or Margaret Russell) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
Hi, I just got an enquiry from a museum. Because this year it is renaissance year, a museum has purchased money to get 2 costumes done. I am asked to do them. I would make a dress after a portrait of Queen Sophie (the queen they remade the wedding dress for) - as a widow. A black dress, small white ruff and a black hood. Then i should also make a prince outfit for a boy, the chosen prince who died in 1647. This is rather late, and i dont think it has much to do with renaissance, but.. Oh and i had promised myself from stopping making costumes, and besides, the outfits has to be finished in about 3 months. .. Ah i really dont know, but would be very tempting Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
Thanks, Kate. Since I am new to this group, I must have just missed the January discussion of Sidesaddle and clothing. Does anyone know if the person doing that research for a paper on women's equestrian clothing, as mentioned in the archive, has written the paper or is it still in progress? As far as this picture, http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg what makes it a riding habit rather than an everyday outfit? Any hints in the photo that I should be seeing but don't? Susan Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark Trail by Louis L'Amour On Mar 9, 2006, at 4:23 AM, Kate M Bunting wrote: I searched the archive http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/ for this year under hunting and found the thread. The picture is http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/2006 23:20 Thanks, Kate. Any one have the link to that print, handy, so I can catch up ? Susan Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark Trail by Louis L'Amour On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Kate M Bunting wrote: We discussed a 17th century print of a lady in a riding habit not long ago. It was in the 1660s that ladies began to wear habits with the upper half copying masculine attire. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
Oh go for it, Bjarne! You *know* you want to! grin What a wonderful opportunity! Besides, they don't sound as complicated as some of the wonderful stuff you've shown us over the years, and, heck, you wouldn't have to worry about shipping it overseas, or wierd fitting issues, or anything! --Sue in Montana - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:49 AM Subject: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. Hi, I just got an enquiry from a museum. Because this year it is renaissance year, a museum has purchased money to get 2 costumes done. I am asked to do them. I would make a dress after a portrait of Queen Sophie (the queen they remade the wedding dress for) - as a widow. A black dress, small white ruff and a black hood. Then i should also make a prince outfit for a boy, the chosen prince who died in 1647. This is rather late, and i dont think it has much to do with renaissance, but.. Oh and i had promised myself from stopping making costumes, and besides, the outfits has to be finished in about 3 months. .. Ah i really dont know, but would be very tempting Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
Bravo, Bjarne. What a fitting recognition for your wonderful skills and accomplishments! You sound as if you're very tempted. These projects sound like something a bit new for you, a chance to stretch... You COULD tell yourself that garments for exhibition aren't QUITE costumes...and so you wouldn't be breaking your promise to yourself not to make any more costumes... Keep us posted about what you decide! Best wishes, Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 9, 2006 8:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. Hi, I just got an enquiry from a museum. Because this year it is renaissance year, a museum has purchased money to get 2 costumes done. I am asked to do them. I would make a dress after a portrait of Queen Sophie (the queen they remade the wedding dress for) - as a widow. A black dress, small white ruff and a black hood. Then i should also make a prince outfit for a boy, the chosen prince who died in 1647. This is rather late, and i dont think it has much to do with renaissance, but.. Oh and i had promised myself from stopping making costumes, and besides, the outfits has to be finished in about 3 months. .. Ah i really dont know, but would be very tempting Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
I have some portraits with riding costume like this print, 2 to be more precise. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack I searched the archive http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/ for this year under hunting and found the thread. The picture is http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/2006 23:20 Thanks, Kate. Any one have the link to that print, handy, so I can catch up ? Susan Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark Trail by Louis L'Amour On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Kate M Bunting wrote: We discussed a 17th century print of a lady in a riding habit not long ago. It was in the 1660s that ladies began to wear habits with the upper half copying masculine attire. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
It is very tempting. The style of this gown is late renaissance. With a farthingale a little bigger than the original in the spanish book. More like a crinoline style. White underskirt is slashed, and overdress has a small peplum skirt over the top. Ruff is edged with reticella lace and is not close fitted to the neck, but hangs down a little in the front, but it is starched. Cuffs are reticella lace. What a luck i baught the reproduktion lace from Michelas site in England. Could be very handy here. Style is like the van Dyke portraits or Rubens. She wears a hood wich is curved in each side of the forehead, black edged with lace. The museum is located in the county where this queen lived as a widdow, so this is why they want it. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. Bravo, Bjarne. What a fitting recognition for your wonderful skills and accomplishments! You sound as if you're very tempted. These projects sound like something a bit new for you, a chance to stretch... You COULD tell yourself that garments for exhibition aren't QUITE costumes...and so you wouldn't be breaking your promise to yourself not to make any more costumes... Keep us posted about what you decide! Best wishes, Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 9, 2006 8:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. Hi, I just got an enquiry from a museum. Because this year it is renaissance year, a museum has purchased money to get 2 costumes done. I am asked to do them. I would make a dress after a portrait of Queen Sophie (the queen they remade the wedding dress for) - as a widow. A black dress, small white ruff and a black hood. Then i should also make a prince outfit for a boy, the chosen prince who died in 1647. This is rather late, and i dont think it has much to do with renaissance, but.. Oh and i had promised myself from stopping making costumes, and besides, the outfits has to be finished in about 3 months. .. Ah i really dont know, but would be very tempting Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] mitts
Hi, I am working on making mitts with floral embroidery. I use a pattern from Williamsburg. Made a muck up wich fits my hand very nicely, i have small hands, so i guess they would fit a woman two. My question is wich stitches do you use to make these? And is the lining made seperate and assembled later, or do you make the lining same time as the outer layer? The thumb must be difficult to assemble and the stitches must be very strong, but wich stitches? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
Well, the caption says it's a hunting costume, and the coat, neckcloth, hairstyle and hat are copies from those worn by men at that time. A few decades earlier Samuel Pepys commented on the new fashion for ladies' riding outfits with the upper garments for all the world like mine but with a long skirt underneath. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/03/2006 14:45 As far as this picture, http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg what makes it a riding habit rather than an everyday outfit? Any hints in the photo that I should be seeing but don't? __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:15:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a tremendous compliment!! It might be worth doing if they pay well enough. Then again, the type of work you do is priceless:) Exactly! Demand they pay for a competent assistant! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
Three months? Oww. Is this the portrait of Queen Sophie you'd be doing? http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a07375wl.jpg (different cap color, but I couldn't find anything else in a quick search) Do you know what the whole dress would look like already? The wedding dress is over 30 years earlier, so it probably wouldn't help... you might have to put in some research time, which would make the 3 months time limit harder. Is this the prince? http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg I have no doubt you could do it if you set your mind to it, Bjarne, but it sounds like a bit of a headache to me! Would they consider allowing more time for it and is the money enough to be tempting? -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
A hunting suit like this would have ben worn on special occations like hunting with the king and queen. Masculine fashion like this was only used for hunting. The tricorne, her Steinkirke cravate, the jacket with the big cuffs, the way the buttonholes are worked and all the buttons. At this time when this print was made, women didnt wear tricornes for daily wear, but they wore Fontanges wich are caps with high extended starched laces round the forehead. Also her wig is masculin, a fully bottomed wig with lots of curls, was only worn with this kind of outfit. The only hair shown for ladies this time, was small curls on the forehead just below the fontange. In the back, the hair was hided in a cape. The daily wear uniform for women was the mantua, wich was an open robe with a matching petticoat. Mantua was mostly draped at each hip (lifted up with loops and buttons) Sleaves did have cufs, but these usually was attached by the elbows, where the shift showed. I have seen portraits from this period where women wears a more relaxed style of dress, with t-shaped bodices and loose skirts, wich could be daily wear. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack Thanks, Kate. Since I am new to this group, I must have just missed the January discussion of Sidesaddle and clothing. Does anyone know if the person doing that research for a paper on women's equestrian clothing, as mentioned in the archive, has written the paper or is it still in progress? As far as this picture, http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg what makes it a riding habit rather than an everyday outfit? Any hints in the photo that I should be seeing but don't? Susan Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark Trail by Louis L'Amour On Mar 9, 2006, at 4:23 AM, Kate M Bunting wrote: I searched the archive http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/ for this year under hunting and found the thread. The picture is http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/2006 23:20 Thanks, Kate. Any one have the link to that print, handy, so I can catch up ? Susan Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for. - Ride the Dark Trail by Louis L'Amour On Mar 8, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Kate M Bunting wrote: We discussed a 17th century print of a lady in a riding habit not long ago. It was in the 1660s that ladies began to wear habits with the upper half copying masculine attire. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:35:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The style of this gown is late renaissance. She wears a hood wich is curved in each side of the forehead, black edged with lace. A widow's peak. And the Prince's outfit sounds like it might be fun too. I'm sure they dressed him like a little adult, no? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ruff - was Bjarne's dilemma
At 15:43 09/03/2006, you wrote: Three months? Oww. Is this the portrait of Queen Sophie you'd be doing? http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a07375wl.jpg (different cap color, but I couldn't find anything else in a quick search) Do you know what the whole dress would look like already? The wedding dress is over 30 years earlier, so it probably wouldn't help... you might have to put in some research time, which would make the 3 months time limit harder. What a complicated ruff! I've never seen anything like that. I am trying really hard to work it out. Am I mad to think it might be two layers of fabric, instead of one - one to make the standard ruff and one to make the doubles inside? Is this the prince? http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg I have no doubt you could do it if you set your mind to it, Bjarne, but it sounds like a bit of a headache to me! Would they consider allowing more time for it and is the money enough to be tempting? -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:44:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a07375wl.jpg What a bizzare ruff! A ruff inside a ruff! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:44:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: _http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg_ (http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg) I imagined the prince as a boylike an adolescent. Oh well. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
It's not as complicated as it looks. Make a ruff with 2 layers. Form a main ruff that has all layers. When that is properly spaced. bring the inside ruff down into points inside the loops of the outter fabric. It's like origami. I can visualize it but may not explain it well. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:44:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a07375wl.jpg What a bizzare ruff! A ruff inside a ruff! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ruff - was Bjarne's dilemma
I have a photo i took at the museum some time ago, i could post it if you want, but it is a portrait wich hangs very high up, so the angle of the photo is not good, but it gives you an idea. The princes outfit is like a small adult with hat and feathers. Its red and slashed. Anyway just posted the pic for you to see. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sophie.htm Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: [h-cost] Ruff - was Bjarne's dilemma At 15:43 09/03/2006, you wrote: Three months? Oww. Is this the portrait of Queen Sophie you'd be doing? http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a07375wl.jpg (different cap color, but I couldn't find anything else in a quick search) Do you know what the whole dress would look like already? The wedding dress is over 30 years earlier, so it probably wouldn't help... you might have to put in some research time, which would make the 3 months time limit harder. What a complicated ruff! I've never seen anything like that. I am trying really hard to work it out. Am I mad to think it might be two layers of fabric, instead of one - one to make the standard ruff and one to make the doubles inside? Is this the prince? http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg I have no doubt you could do it if you set your mind to it, Bjarne, but it sounds like a bit of a headache to me! Would they consider allowing more time for it and is the money enough to be tempting? -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] what do renaissance seamen look like?
The temptation to make a rude pun is almost overwhelming...but I'll resist G They would wear what everyone else would wear. There was no particular uniform of a pirate. I looked into this when my huibby was giving me grief about dressing up. What we think of as pirates is out of period...the great coat, the striped clothes, etc. Darn. My hubby as Captain Jack...hmmm.. Hubby said he'd wear a great coat tall boots. Tunics are dresses... Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] mitts
Are you overlapping the seams or are you sewing the right sides together and then turning them over? I have a one sheet example of stitches used through the periods for gloves that I can share with you. It is from observational research as I am not able to go to the various overseas museums that have the gloves. One local university recently obtained some gloves that they want me to come over the catalog for them. I am hoping some are from the Elizabethan era. :) Chiara On Thu, March 9, 2006 9:39 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: Hi, I am working on making mitts with floral embroidery. I use a pattern from Williamsburg. Made a muck up wich fits my hand very nicely, i have small hands, so i guess they would fit a woman two. My question is wich stitches do you use to make these? And is the lining made seperate and assembled later, or do you make the lining same time as the outer layer? The thumb must be difficult to assemble and the stitches must be very strong, but wich stitches? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
No worries Albertcat, its not the prince, but the queen you see in the portrait from Rosenborg. I dont have a picture of the prince to share right now, but i know the portrait, its a boy dressed in a red doublet with trunkhoses. All the costume is slashed and the hat wich i dont know how i would make is a tall hat naturally leather colour with red feathers. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:44:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: _http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg_ (http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg) I imagined the prince as a boylike an adolescent. Oh well. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] New pattern
Thought some of you who re-enact Victorian and Dickens eras would be interested in the new pattern from Laughing Moon (I'm just waiting for my new stock to arrive). It's the Hoops and Bustles package, LM112. Looks like another fabulous addition to this premiere line of patterns. For details you can visit http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_1058.html which will take you to that specific pattern. There's also been a wonderful addition to the Laughing Moon Men's Frock Coat pattern, in that in now includes a single-breasted, as well as the double-breasted frock coat, with the original two vests that were included in the pattern. Again, I'm just waiting for my new stock to arrive. You can view that pattern at: http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_776.html Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.5rivers.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: what do renaissance seamen look like?
From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, if you're interested in the middle of the 16th century, we have a bit of an idea of what was worn on the Mary Rose, which sank in 1545. There were a number of leather jerkins found, as well as some wool garment fragments, some wool flat caps, leather shoes... that sort of thing. The info shouldn't be too hard to track down if you look up the Mary Rose. There are also the excavations from Red Bay, Labrador and the wreck of the San Juan (1565). Although I haven't found documentation on more than the shoes, I'm told that the graves of the Basque seamen had clothes that were excavated. BTW, it is most likely (speaking of shoes) that common seamen were wearing turnshoes like: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOES/redbay5.html. Non-turned shoes, when found, being more expensive possibly denote officers. Marc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] mitts
So long as you are not using a glover's needle backstitcing is fine. The glovers needle has that three sided cutting edge to it for leather and will cut the thread. For the thumb, you want to put that in first. You can do an overlap seam for that if you wish. That is, place the thumb piece inside the trank of the mitt and sew on the first layer down into the second layer that is the thumb. Are these fabric or leather? Any chance you can send us a thumbnail of what the finished product should look like? Or a museum link of a pair of mitts these were based on? Chiara On Thu, March 9, 2006 10:15 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: Thanks Chiara, I think i would like to sew the right sides together and turn, but i really would like to know more, if you have any informations about the stitches i would be very happy :-) I am thinking about you cant sew on the thumbs and then turn, how do you attach these last, and wich stitches do you do for this? Rubbish, off cause i can sew on the tumbs and turn, i am a little confused right now, its the museum dress in my head! No problems then, but do you think backstitching would be ok to use? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] mitts Are you overlapping the seams or are you sewing the right sides together and then turning them over? I have a one sheet example of stitches used through the periods for gloves that I can share with you. It is from observational research as I am not able to go to the various overseas museums that have the gloves. One local university recently obtained some gloves that they want me to come over the catalog for them. I am hoping some are from the Elizabethan era. :) Chiara On Thu, March 9, 2006 9:39 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: Hi, I am working on making mitts with floral embroidery. I use a pattern from Williamsburg. Made a muck up wich fits my hand very nicely, i have small hands, so i guess they would fit a woman two. My question is wich stitches do you use to make these? And is the lining made seperate and assembled later, or do you make the lining same time as the outer layer? The thumb must be difficult to assemble and the stitches must be very strong, but wich stitches? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] mitts
Dear Dhiara, Many thanks for your help. I want to make them in ivory silk taffeta. You can see the design i made here, with colours of embroiderysilks: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purse.htm Scroll down to the buttom. I want to make the outer layer in silk taffeta, and a shite silk satin wich is thinner and softer for the lining. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] mitts So long as you are not using a glover's needle backstitcing is fine. The glovers needle has that three sided cutting edge to it for leather and will cut the thread. For the thumb, you want to put that in first. You can do an overlap seam for that if you wish. That is, place the thumb piece inside the trank of the mitt and sew on the first layer down into the second layer that is the thumb. Are these fabric or leather? Any chance you can send us a thumbnail of what the finished product should look like? Or a museum link of a pair of mitts these were based on? Chiara On Thu, March 9, 2006 10:15 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: Thanks Chiara, I think i would like to sew the right sides together and turn, but i really would like to know more, if you have any informations about the stitches i would be very happy :-) I am thinking about you cant sew on the thumbs and then turn, how do you attach these last, and wich stitches do you do for this? Rubbish, off cause i can sew on the tumbs and turn, i am a little confused right now, its the museum dress in my head! No problems then, but do you think backstitching would be ok to use? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] mitts Are you overlapping the seams or are you sewing the right sides together and then turning them over? I have a one sheet example of stitches used through the periods for gloves that I can share with you. It is from observational research as I am not able to go to the various overseas museums that have the gloves. One local university recently obtained some gloves that they want me to come over the catalog for them. I am hoping some are from the Elizabethan era. :) Chiara On Thu, March 9, 2006 9:39 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: Hi, I am working on making mitts with floral embroidery. I use a pattern from Williamsburg. Made a muck up wich fits my hand very nicely, i have small hands, so i guess they would fit a woman two. My question is wich stitches do you use to make these? And is the lining made seperate and assembled later, or do you make the lining same time as the outer layer? The thumb must be difficult to assemble and the stitches must be very strong, but wich stitches? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: A hunting suit like this would have ben worn on special occations like hunting with the king and queen. Masculine fashion like this was only used for hunting. The tricorne, her Steinkirke cravate, the jacket with the big cuffs, the way the buttonholes are worked and all the buttons. http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Does anyone know what portrait this drawing is based on? From what I can determine, Leloir's costume books came out in the mid 1800's. I'd like to see some of his sources, including the ones for this image: http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/47_1693-98.jpg Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
At 18:14 09/03/2006, you wrote: Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: A hunting suit like this would have ben worn on special occations like hunting with the king and queen. Masculine fashion like this was only used for hunting. The tricorne, her Steinkirke cravate, the jacket with the big cuffs, the way the buttonholes are worked and all the buttons. http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Does anyone know what portrait this drawing is based on? From what I can determine, Leloir's costume books came out in the mid 1800's. I'd like to see some of his sources, including the ones for this image: http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/47_1693-98.jpg This is one of the series I am talking about, and it is by Bonnart! http://www.allposters.com/-sp/The-Summer-city-dress-1678_i1344960_.htm?aid=974174 Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
Dear Dawn, I dont think i have ever seen the portraits made after these prints. But it could be, that they are real fashion prints. There was a series in the 1680ies called Mercure Gallante, wich showed handcoloured fashion prints. I have photographed all they have at the museum of fine arts in Copenhagen, but it is only about 35 prints, not the entire range. In one of my costume books wich is in danish, dont know the english title, it is written by an italian lady called Mila Contini, there is a portrait very like the same style, of Marie Adelaide de Savoye, duchesse of Burgundy. Its painted in the last part of 17th century, red with gold laces. Her large cufs are entirely covered with gold laces and her waistcoat is entirely gold two. Another portrait from Ribeiros Dress in 18th century Europe, page 47 shows Frances Pierrepoint, Countess of Mar, ca. 1715. Her hunting suit is made of a very pale rose colloured outfit, and her trimmings are made of silver bobbin laces. She also has the masculine wig on.+ tricorne under her right arm. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: A hunting suit like this would have ben worn on special occations like hunting with the king and queen. Masculine fashion like this was only used for hunting. The tricorne, her Steinkirke cravate, the jacket with the big cuffs, the way the buttonholes are worked and all the buttons. http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Does anyone know what portrait this drawing is based on? From what I can determine, Leloir's costume books came out in the mid 1800's. I'd like to see some of his sources, including the ones for this image: http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/47_1693-98.jpg Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
Are you looking for patterns? Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:21 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. No worries Albertcat, its not the prince, but the queen you see in the portrait from Rosenborg. I dont have a picture of the prince to share right now, but i know the portrait, its a boy dressed in a red doublet with trunkhoses. All the costume is slashed and the hat wich i dont know how i would make is a tall hat naturally leather colour with red feathers. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:44:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: _http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg_ (http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg) I imagined the prince as a boylike an adolescent. Oh well. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
A hunting suit like this would have ben worn on special occations like hunting with the king and queen. Masculine fashion like this was only used for hunting. I was wondering what your thoughts on this costume were: http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B4YWXG.01._SCLZZZ_.jpg It's the cover of the cd Pavaniglia by The Kings Noyse. It looks very late 17thC or very early 18thC and I would guess they are in costume for some performance, based mostly on her shoulder cloak and ruff and his costume. I'm thinking of something like this or a regular hunting style outfit for a costume I need in April (I'm singing How Would I Play This Part, from The Grand Duke by for a GS singing competition) and I want something evocative of the period but not a mantua or other general 18thC style. In fact the original costume is very much a Victorian restyling of Swiss/German national costume;) It even has a little jacket worn with it, so this style isn't really too far off the mark and should help establish some character before I even open my mouth. It will be not be completely historically correct as it will be worn over a kilted skirt, but more like a mix of late Victorian and early 18thC. Oh and the character singing the song is an actress. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 9/03/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New pattern
Somehow I find the hoops and bustles a bit weird looking. I am not sure what it is. Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: Thought some of you who re-enact Victorian and Dickens eras would be interested in the new pattern from Laughing Moon (I'm just waiting for my new stock to arrive). It's the Hoops and Bustles package, LM112. Looks like another fabulous addition to this premiere line of patterns. For details you can visit http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_1058.html which will take you to that specific pattern. There's also been a wonderful addition to the Laughing Moon Men's Frock Coat pattern, in that in now includes a single-breasted, as well as the double-breasted frock coat, with the original two vests that were included in the pattern. Again, I'm just waiting for my new stock to arrive. You can view that pattern at: http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_776.html Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.5rivers.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
There's only really one question to answer - do you really want to do the outfits? If you do then go for it, because you'll only regret it afterwards if you don't. And the worst thing would be to end up thinking 'what if I had...'. Well that's what I always tell myself when I take orders for things at short notice, anyway :-D Debbie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] mitts
Beautiful as always Bjarne! The lining is attached at the finger tips for gloves. The same would apply here. Attach at the top of the mitt and at the top of the thumb. Then attach it at the cuff. Leave the side seams unattached. Make sure you allow the fabric for the mitt and the lining to hang so that it stretches out first. You do not want something this delicate to have a lininig no longer fit because one or the other stretched out over time. Definitely right sides together on the thumb. :) Chiara On Thu, March 9, 2006 11:11 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: Dear Dhiara, Many thanks for your help. I want to make them in ivory silk taffeta. You can see the design i made here, with colours of embroiderysilks: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purse.htm Scroll down to the buttom. I want to make the outer layer in silk taffeta, and a shite silk satin wich is thinner and softer for the lining. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] mitts So long as you are not using a glover's needle backstitcing is fine. The glovers needle has that three sided cutting edge to it for leather and will cut the thread. For the thumb, you want to put that in first. You can do an overlap seam for that if you wish. That is, place the thumb piece inside the trank of the mitt and sew on the first layer down into the second layer that is the thumb. Are these fabric or leather? Any chance you can send us a thumbnail of what the finished product should look like? Or a museum link of a pair of mitts these were based on? Chiara On Thu, March 9, 2006 10:15 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: Thanks Chiara, I think i would like to sew the right sides together and turn, but i really would like to know more, if you have any informations about the stitches i would be very happy :-) I am thinking about you cant sew on the thumbs and then turn, how do you attach these last, and wich stitches do you do for this? Rubbish, off cause i can sew on the tumbs and turn, i am a little confused right now, its the museum dress in my head! No problems then, but do you think backstitching would be ok to use? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] mitts Are you overlapping the seams or are you sewing the right sides together and then turning them over? I have a one sheet example of stitches used through the periods for gloves that I can share with you. It is from observational research as I am not able to go to the various overseas museums that have the gloves. One local university recently obtained some gloves that they want me to come over the catalog for them. I am hoping some are from the Elizabethan era. :) Chiara On Thu, March 9, 2006 9:39 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: Hi, I am working on making mitts with floral embroidery. I use a pattern from Williamsburg. Made a muck up wich fits my hand very nicely, i have small hands, so i guess they would fit a woman two. My question is wich stitches do you use to make these? And is the lining made seperate and assembled later, or do you make the lining same time as the outer layer? The thumb must be difficult to assemble and the stitches must be very strong, but wich stitches? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Franchesca Havas ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
At 18:14 09/03/2006, you wrote: Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: A hunting suit like this would have ben worn on special occations like hunting with the king and queen. Masculine fashion like this was only used for hunting. The tricorne, her Steinkirke cravate, the jacket with the big cuffs, the way the buttonholes are worked and all the buttons. http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Does anyone know what portrait this drawing is based on? From what I can determine, Leloir's costume books came out in the mid 1800's. I'd like to see some of his sources, including the ones for this image: http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/47_1693-98.jpg Dawn I suspect these are redrawn from a series of fashion plates which were published in France in the late 17th century. I have copies of others in a similar style. The artist Bonnart springs to mind, but I don't guarantee anything, as I am currently having a hot flush (English version) and am as a consequence in the brainsaremush state. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New pattern
These hoops and bustles are wonderful, Lorena! I have the first one and the last as antiques and you have made them up just as they should be. The last one differs only from mine in that the train part button of mine buttons onto the hem of the main hoop shape. Bravo Kathleen - Original Message - From: Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New pattern Somehow I find the hoops and bustles a bit weird looking. I am not sure what it is. Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: Thought some of you who re-enact Victorian and Dickens eras would be interested in the new pattern from Laughing Moon (I'm just waiting for my new stock to arrive). It's the Hoops and Bustles package, LM112. Looks like another fabulous addition to this premiere line of patterns. For details you can visit http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_1058.html which will take you to that specific pattern. There's also been a wonderful addition to the Laughing Moon Men's Frock Coat pattern, in that in now includes a single-breasted, as well as the double-breasted frock coat, with the original two vests that were included in the pattern. Again, I'm just waiting for my new stock to arrive. You can view that pattern at: http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_776.html Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.5rivers.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New pattern
In a message dated 3/9/2006 7:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somehow I find the hoops and bustles a bit weird looking. I am not sure what it is. * Me too. The only thing I can put my finger on is, the oblong hoop needs a pad at the back to keep it from tipping up in front. The round hoop is a bit small for a petticoat hoop with so many hoops in it. I have period ones this size but they are all cage hoops and the wires start at a little above the knee height. But I like the shape of that pattern. The bustles seem functionallord knows there were so many contraptions to achieve that silhouette. But there is something alien about them. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
These also might be easier because the fit doesn't have to be as fussy as when it's for a live person. Dress forms don't complain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. Bravo, Bjarne. What a fitting recognition for your wonderful skills and accomplishments! You sound as if you're very tempted. These projects sound like something a bit new for you, a chance to stretch... You COULD tell yourself that garments for exhibition aren't QUITE costumes...and so you wouldn't be breaking your promise to yourself not to make any more costumes... Keep us posted about what you decide! Best wishes, Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 9, 2006 8:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. Hi, I just got an enquiry from a museum. Because this year it is renaissance year, a museum has purchased money to get 2 costumes done. I am asked to do them. I would make a dress after a portrait of Queen Sophie (the queen they remade the wedding dress for) - as a widow. A black dress, small white ruff and a black hood. Then i should also make a prince outfit for a boy, the chosen prince who died in 1647. This is rather late, and i dont think it has much to do with renaissance, but.. Oh and i had promised myself from stopping making costumes, and besides, the outfits has to be finished in about 3 months. .. Ah i really dont know, but would be very tempting Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Ruff - was Bjarne's dilemma
Looking at the ruff, it may be that the painter just made up the ruff pattern, so it kind of looked like the real ruff. Remember, it's a painting, not a photo, and there is probably a bit of creative license. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:50 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ruff - was Bjarne's dilemma At 15:43 09/03/2006, you wrote: Three months? Oww. Is this the portrait of Queen Sophie you'd be doing? http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a07375wl.jpg (different cap color, but I couldn't find anything else in a quick search) Do you know what the whole dress would look like already? The wedding dress is over 30 years earlier, so it probably wouldn't help... you might have to put in some research time, which would make the 3 months time limit harder. What a complicated ruff! I've never seen anything like that. I am trying really hard to work it out. Am I mad to think it might be two layers of fabric, instead of one - one to make the standard ruff and one to make the doubles inside? Is this the prince? http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a03034wl.jpg I have no doubt you could do it if you set your mind to it, Bjarne, but it sounds like a bit of a headache to me! Would they consider allowing more time for it and is the money enough to be tempting? -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
OK, that makes sense, but what a lot of work! Lovely, though. Gives me an idea for my costume... Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:58 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. It's not as complicated as it looks. Make a ruff with 2 layers. Form a main ruff that has all layers. When that is properly spaced. bring the inside ruff down into points inside the loops of the outter fabric. It's like origami. I can visualize it but may not explain it well. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] dilemma ahhh. In a message dated 3/9/2006 10:44:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a07375wl.jpg What a bizzare ruff! A ruff inside a ruff! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE bizarre ruff was : dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
It looks like 3 layers with one thick layer between two sheer layers -Original Message- http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/images/pics/a07375wl.jpg What a bizzare ruff! A ruff inside a ruff! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Ruff - was Bjarne's dilemma
Looking at this ruff I actually see three layers. One big outer layer, then two ruched together so that one fills the top arches of the large ruff and the other fills the bottom. Of course, all the layers may actually be the same size and you get the rather heart shape of the inner layers as they become bunched within the outer one. Ow! My brain hurts. I can't wait to see what you do with this one Bjarne! Regina What a complicated ruff! I've never seen anything like that. I am trying really hard to work it out. Am I mad to think it might be two layers of fabric, instead of one - one to make the standard ruff and one to make the doubles inside? Is this the prince? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
In one of my costume books wich is in danish, dont know the english title, it is written by an italian lady called Mila Contini, there is a portrait very like the same style, of Marie Adelaide de Savoye, duchesse of Burgundy. Its painted in the last part of 17th century, red with gold laces. Her large cufs are entirely covered with gold laces and her waistcoat is entirely gold two. That would be Fashion, by Mila Contini, I just had another look through my copy and realised there are in fact a lovely number of images I've really liked over the years. I found a used copy a couple of years ago and bought it as it was one of the first costuming books I got hold of. It was in my school library. Marie is on page 184. One of my favourite gowns is on page 181 (part of a two page image) and it's pretty clearly mourning garb. I'm not keen on the headdress, but the gown is really lovely. Louis XIV receiving Frederick Augustus of Saxony, Louis Silvestre, Versailles Museum. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 9/03/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ruff RE: dilemma ahhhhhhhhhhh.
To achieve the look you need 3 layers. Otherwise it will only have the heart frills in the top loops or the bottom. You will need to have excess of the frill material to achieve the desired effect. De -Original Message- It's not as complicated as it looks. Make a ruff with 2 layers. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
