I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance
historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out.
There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirely
factual.
Susan
That is already the case. I live work in/near
I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about advertising,
and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not reality.
I would have to disagree with you on the 'most modern people' part of your
statement. I think that history nerds, of which I am a proud member ;-),
are
But ice floats!
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Behalf Of kelly grant
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:12 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction
I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about
I've just heard from my contact at the publisher that _Dress at the Court
of King Henry VIII_, listed as forthcoming in 2006, will not be out till
at least the end of the year or possibly early 2007. (The manuscript is
not yet complete.)
More whenever I know more.
--Robin
At least they had some imagination in not calling this The Thing III!
Kathleen
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From: kelly grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:11 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction
I think most
Lavolta Press wrote:
So what? There are a great many fields which you and I know little
about, which are no more or less important than history, and which we
probably have many misconceptions about.
And if you're going to teach you need to be able to deal with people not
knowing
Same trailer, but not the same site...thank Christ! it's a fake...
Kelly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4
You mean the fake trailer? These are clips from previous movies (I
definitely spotted a Romeo and Juliet shot) and mention of the warm
liquid
goo phase comes from the first
I saw parts from Contact, The Ghosts of the Abyss, The real Titanic movie,
The Hulk, The Fugative, and Con Air. It had parts from the movie where
DiCaprio was the boy/man that was a conman opposite Tom Hanks (can't
remember the name) But it just shows that anything is possible when someone
Sharon Krossa wrote:
snipped for convenience
-- that is, instead of screaming If you use this movie as a source of
historical information, you're a fool, they whisper seductively Honest,
really, we're not making this up -- believe us.
Because the problem isn't that films are inaccurate --
Thanks for the update...
Until then... I'm treating myself to reading the inventories of Henry
VIII. Amazing stuff.
On 4/24/06, Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've just heard from my contact at the publisher that _Dress at the Court
of King Henry VIII_, listed as forthcoming in
In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:12:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that
is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body
frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the
In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:01:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But ice floats!
*
Yeahbut Jack's so full of crap, he sinks.
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We have to remember that fabric was expensive so every piece counted.
Some tailors were accused and/or convicted of being too generous with
themselves with the degree of off-cuts most were entitled to. So we
can't just blame a poor homesewer for a mis-matched pattern. Garments
were often
kelly grant wrote:
I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about
advertising, and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not
reality.
I would have to disagree with you on the 'most modern people' part of
your statement. I think that history nerds, of which I am a
In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:46:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please don't take this the wrong way... but...If you don't like his stuff
there is an option not to go.
**
Gee, Monica, just how many ways are there to take this?
I'm glad
Thanks Robin. Oh well, the facts of life in the publishing industry.
BTW Amazon told me that my copy of your book (2) was shipped Saturday.
Beth
At 09:02 AM 4/24/2006, you wrote:
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:16:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [h-cost] Update on
In a message dated 4/24/2006 12:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For example, Mel Gibson's tight breeches in The Patriot
are totally wrong but, as a professional designer friend of mine pointed
out,
most people these days associate baggy pants with comedy.
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From: Susan Carroll-Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance
historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out.
There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirely
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Like asking someone what color the British
soldiers should wear.
PINK! :-D
Sorry, it just came over me. (my partner's one of them and imagining him in
pink... *snerk*)
Nicole - wondering if screaming pink uniforms would have been that much less
authentic than
It is that much worse with movies.
Rant rant... sorry, but people comment and complain who have not been in a
position to do a theatrical/movie production. We all know that working on
re-enactment clothing, or even SCA garb -- one at a time-- is a whole other
thing than doing 7000 costumes at
Sharon wrote:
Now, admittedly, it would help a lot with this if movie makers would
stop lying to their audiences by making false claims about the
accuracy of their films. Personally, I'm not holding my breath on
this, as unscrupulous movie makers show no signs of giving up lying
about this
Sorry, I meant you _don't_ have to be a history nerd to be skeptical of
advertising. Or even a science nerd.
Fran
Lavolta Press wrote:
kelly grant wrote:
I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about
advertising, and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not
In a message dated 4/24/2006 2:00:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
AMEN!
Kathleen
Hahahahahathat's science fiction! Anything's better that the original!
[I'm teasing!]
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Now I must be fare and admit the sinking of the ship was amazingly
I went to see the movie with a group from my book club; out to snack later
they all swooped upon me with What did you think of the wonderful
costumes!! I was only willing to speak about a couple of the hats in a more
or less complimentary manner and they couldn't understand...
Kathleen
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At 7:55 PM -0700 4/23/06, Lavolta Press wrote:
I don't even want to think about what church historians and
Renaissance historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci
Code movie comes out. There are going to be an awful lot of people
who will think it's entirely factual.
So what? There
Lavolta Press wrote:
I assume you do have the routine of giving the lecture and then allowing
X fixed minutes at the end for questions, encouraging any really
detailed ones to be postponed to conversation with you during one of
your standard office hours?
They're encouraged to ask
They did--several dealers told me the Titanic costume staff was
snapping up everything in sight from the era at one of the southern
California vintage fashion shows.
Fran
This might be one where the extras are actually better dressed than the
principals. I understand from a dealer friend
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote:
BTW Amazon told me that my copy of your book (2) was shipped Saturday.
I'll be interested in knowing when people get their copies. I still don't
have mine, which is apparently on the slow boat from England.
--Robin
I read an interview with James Cameron, in which he said he invented Jack
There really was a Jack Dawson, he worked as a stoker, I believe, and is
burried in the Titanic section of the graveyard around the corner from us.
You'd be surprised to know how many people think that it is the same
One of the things good teachers do, in addition to teaching how to
evaluate evidence logically, is teach about evaluating sources.
Movies, by their very nature, are not good or reliable sources.
Definitely! My first Costume History teacher, Fran Mayhew at the
University of Delaware, made
No worries, I caught what you meant ;-)
Kelly
Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced
with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance,
then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears
Caius Merlyn
In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:45:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought, She's had this thing for decades
and _still_ hasn't figured out how to fence it?
I thought. Heycouldn't your daughter use that?!
Well Rose couldn't make a
Hi, this is my first post...Hope I am doing this right.
I have been read the posts on the inaccuracies and how gullible the general
public is about believing every thing they see in movies. I am really new to
costume spotting but because of my DH the entire family is known to yell at
the screen in
http://www.browncoats.com/index.php?ContentID=431e5884d356e
http://www.browncoats.com/index.php?ContentID=431e4b510641f
I seem to recall someone posting that they used a basic frock coat pattern
from the old west or civil war era for the coat of Malcom Reynolds. But I
can't find the link now.
In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:43:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But I also don't think cultural survival is purely a Darwinian matter
of survival of the fittest.
Depends on that constitutes fittest but I get your point. Things
In a message dated 4/24/2006 9:42:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hang on...is this thread about Mel Gibson being good (in which case we call
him
an Australian) or something bad (in which case he is an American)?
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Ummm...yes.
In a message dated 4/24/2006 9:53:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That said, I did catch a bit of the end on television just this past
year--the bit where the boat is sinking. Wonderful imagery. And all of
those survivors, who died of exposure, floating frozen in
In a message dated 4/24/2006 10:52:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyway, the way I recall it, most of the
original garments were bought to reproduce, not to use, and none of them
were drowned with the cast.
*
But real clothes are used all the
In a message dated 4/24/2006 10:53:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
think we are all too critical about costume work in films. The director--
and sometimes the STARS have a majority of things to say about what is worn.
***
This can be tricky.
At 09:24 PM 4/23/2006, you wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:59:41 -0700
From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films
The problem, as I said, is when audiences believe what they see in
films. The solution to that is to try to get more people to
I thought that too.
Speaking of dumb decisions, I just saw Last of the Mohicans. I could
believe it when the Indian said he was the last at the end, because
almost everybody else in the film had gotten colorfully killed. That's
what the whole film was about.
But anyway:
Here are two
This list is not a social situation. But in social situations, it's
pretty obnoxious to go around as the superior person teaching everyone
whether they like it or not.
Fran
Sharon L. Krossa wrote:
At 1:35 PM -0700 4/24/06, Lavolta Press wrote:
Good examples of teaching. My point is, as
At 11:53 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote:
I haven't read the book, which hopefully explains things like
this. But in the film, I thought they were idiots.
Actually, the book is so different from that movie that you could
call them two different stories with people who share the same names.
Genie
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