Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...)
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos, computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for everything else? That strikes me as being more likely to succeed, and to be useful, than asking that every post be tagged in some way, which is what I thought you were suggesting originally. I don't think a total tagging system would be manageable with our current administrative setup and turnover rate, but a CHAT: tagging convention to separate costuming from non-substantive or non-costuming isn't too much to ask. And it would indeed be helpful. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...)
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Robin Netherton wrote: On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos, computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for everything else? That strikes me as being more likely to succeed, and to be useful, than asking that every post be tagged in some way, which is what I thought you were suggesting originally. I don't think a total tagging system would be manageable with our current administrative setup and turnover rate, but a CHAT: tagging convention to separate costuming from non-substantive or non-costuming isn't too much to ask. As a mostly lurker, avid reader and sometimes poster, I would like to second this. An easy way to filter out non-costuming posts would indeed be useful. :) Another way to go (or maybe used to supplement a simple tagging system) might be to set up a short and clear set of guidelines for the group that dictate a bit more how to post. Maybe this is just my usenet background talking, but I find that online communication is so much easier if everyone follows some simple rules. The most important that come to mind are: - Please trim your posts. Do not quote an entire post or digest when you reply, but only those parts you are replying to. (This, I find, is not so much a problem when I have the list set to deliver individual messages, but in those periods where I need it set to digest I often find that reading the list gets very frustrating and time-consuming.) - When veering off the original subject in a reply, please also change the subject line! (In order for the but you can just delete the posts you aren't interested in argument to be valid, it needs to be possible to identify such posts _before_ you read them.) - Don't post one-liners or comments that don't contribute to the discussion at hand. (By this I mean that ooh, your work is lovely has the same positive effect if sent privately as on the list. I think such feedback is inspiring and important both to give and receive, but maybe not so useful on-list.) On the one hand I do like that the list is so chatty and a real community, OTOH I would like an opportunity to more easily identify interesting posts. The important thing is, as others have said, to make any rules so short and clear that they don't discourage people from posting at all. Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus spam av Decna as - www.decna.no ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Spanish hat styles 1550 men and women
Does anyone know where to find a good hat pattern for this period? It looks like a Tudor flat cap but somehow a little different. Catalina nunca sin mi vino ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] subject lines
I think the prefixes are intended for the subject line, right? I belong to a list that recommends headers. It's a diverse group with members from many countries, but all posts are in English. Honestly, the prefixes don't do *one bit* of good! Some people use them, some don't. The list admin reminds people periodically AND it's included at the end of every single message posted to the list. If you can train list members to use prefixes, you ought to be able to train them to change the darn subject line! If every member made sure to change the subject line to reflect the contents, prefixes wouldn't be needed! That and sending one-liners privately instead of to the list. One thing the list admin might consider is changing the replies to return to sender, rather than return to the list. That cuts down *a lot* on the reply chatter, but doesn't eliminate any original posting. Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
I think the prefixes are intended for the subject line, right? I belong to a list that recommends **headers. sorry! I meant prefixes in the subject line not **headers. speaking of communicating clearly... Denise Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
Ack - I just put in an invisible zip in a very non-historic dress but the tab at the top is a) the wrong colour and b) hanging out I tend to use eyelets, laces, pins etc to close clothing for clients but this is a new problem and not one I can work around... Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! Katherine the stumped p.s. the zip is cream, the dress is pale green poly-wool crepe and the style is tea-length princess seamed a-line, with slightly flared mid-bicep sleeves and a sweetheart neckline. The customer is /always/ right... A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
Can you paint the tab? Nail polish maybe? Katy On 7/17/06, katherine sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ack - I just put in an invisible zip in a very non-historic dress but the tab at the top is a) the wrong colour and b) hanging out I tend to use eyelets, laces, pins etc to close clothing for clients but this is a new problem and not one I can work around... Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! Katherine the stumped p.s. the zip is cream, the dress is pale green poly-wool crepe and the style is tea-length princess seamed a-line, with slightly flared mid-bicep sleeves and a sweetheart neckline. The customer is /always/ right... A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...)
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos, computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for everything else? I don't like the idea of having topic tags. My email client only shows a limited number of characters for a message subject (that's not changeable/customizable no matter how big I make the window). If we start hanging tags at the start of the subject line I won't be able to see any subject at all. That would make this list way to cumbersome for *me* (and I may be in the minority here -- that's ok). You're also assuming that folks will remember to change the *tag* just like they remember to change the *subject* susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
Prefixes are to the subject line, as in CHAT: Is everyone in New Orleans OK after the hurricane? They do a lot of good because you can set up a filter for them in your mail browser or in your ISP, if your ISP has that capability. That is how I can avoid downloading 50 chat messages a day (and I'm not exaggerating) from the translators' list. They chat on many subjects, but almost all the chat is labeled CHAT: However, I do agree with all the suggestions to have good subject lines, change them when you change the subject. I also think a list change to reply-to-sender would be good. The latter makes people think every time they post about whether this really should be a private message. I don't get particularly stirred up about whether people snip posts much or not (despite still having dialup because my-husband-the-computer-programmer, who sets up these things, is ticked off at A T T and he says most broadband goes through A T T one way or another). On the other hand, snipping is never a bad idea, either. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Land of Oz wrote: I think the prefixes are intended for the subject line, right? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
I'm wary of offering a prefix for chat. I do find that most people do not consider this a chatty type of list. Even when discussing something off-topic, many add the obligatory costume content at the end. It's breast cancer awareness month, OCC I found this great link on the history of bras. I've seen some lists or forums that say they are a community, which seems to mean they allow discussion of any topic and not just the theme of the list. However I think H-costume can be a community and still keep the discussion on-topic. Prefixes are to the subject line, as in CHAT: Is everyone in New Orleans OK after the hurricane? I don't mind a request for people to check in after a disaster, however it can lead to a lot of off-topic chatter. Someone might have a request for volunteers to help with a flooded museum collection and put it under CHAT because it relates to the recent floods in the eastern US. But it is on-topic if it's about preserving a costume collecton. However, I do agree with all the suggestions to have good subject lines, change them when you change the subject. I also think a list change to reply-to-sender would be good. The latter makes people think every time they post about whether this really should be a private message. Or cut down on discussion dramatically because people don't stop to think about it. I belong to quite a few lists and I would have to stop and think for each one when I hit reply. Perhaps in the future all replies would have a choose the option of private vs to-the-list. Or certain threads could be designated reply only to sender, such as was requested with the holiday gift exchange. Maybe, one day, the technology will be there... I don't get particularly stirred up about whether people snip posts much or not It doesn't seem to be a huge on this list. I've really only noticed it on other places. I think the settings currently on H-Costume are ok, and it's just a matter of reminders for use. Personally I would be really annoyed if someone speculated on a medical condition, about me, on a public list rather than sending a private note. To me, it's like announcing something loudly in a group of people about a matter that should be a private aside. We have had discussions in the past about carpal tunnel syndrome and sewing, going into prevention and treatment and treatment. But again, it's something of interest to several list members, sewing is a big element of making costume, etc. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
In a message dated 7/17/2006 12:09:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! This was actually addressed by the manufacturer when invisible zippers first came out, in the early 1970s, as the zippers came in a limited range of colors. I tried a little cloth bag--wasn't real happy with the results, though, but then I wasn't as skilled in those days. You might have good success with that. Or, can you see any way to cover it with buttonhole stitches? My memory is that the pull is long and slender, so that MIGHT work. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
In a message dated 7/17/2006 12:23:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you paint the tab? Nail polish maybe? Given the color, you may not find nail polish, but perhaps acrylic craft paint? Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
Then there is the theory of If you can't fix it, feature it! How about cutting off the pull and replacing it with a bead or ornament, or make something with seed beads. I wonder if there is some sort of pull replacement you could make using just the thread, which would be unobtrusive? How about a buttonholed or crocheted leader, about 1, that could then be flipped to the inside of the garment and stay there? You would need a weight on the end, again perhaps a bead would work there. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
Just a suggestion from a sewer/crafter. Match the fabric color with acrylic paint and paint the tab. The acrylic paint comes in a zillion colors and is cheap. If you carefully clean the tab with vinegar or alcohol and tape around it, painting will not be difficult. It dries fast, but let it really dry well, like overnight, and it will stand up to much use. I have used acrylic paint on all kinds of things with very good results. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: katherine sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:07:37 + (GMT) Ack - I just put in an invisible zip in a very non-historic dress but the tab at the top is a) the wrong colour and b) hanging out I tend to use eyelets, laces, pins etc to close clothing for clients but this is a new problem and not one I can work around... Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! Katherine the stumped p.s. the zip is cream, the dress is pale green poly-wool crepe and the style is tea-length princess seamed a-line, with slightly flared mid-bicep sleeves and a sweetheart neckline. The customer is /always/ right... A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] deleting posts and post headers
I'd love to see some kind of prefix system, but honestly, I'd be delighted if we could just change the subject header to reflect the topic. I generally delete the messages I assume will be just chattiness, but on the occasions when I do read what I was about to delete, I often find that the conversation has ranged back into some real, interesting costuming content. And then I have to go on a hunt through my Deleted Items file to find the rest of it! Not that I always remember to change the header on my posts, mind you. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
Another idea is take off the tab and use a paper clip though the hole to zip it up, I use it on costumes when I don't want it to show at all. Silvara [Original Message] From: Katy Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/17/2006 9:23:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) Can you paint the tab? Nail polish maybe? Katy On 7/17/06, katherine sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ack - I just put in an invisible zip in a very non-historic dress but the tab at the top is a) the wrong colour and b) hanging out I tend to use eyelets, laces, pins etc to close clothing for clients but this is a new problem and not one I can work around... Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! Katherine the stumped p.s. the zip is cream, the dress is pale green poly-wool crepe and the style is tea-length princess seamed a-line, with slightly flared mid-bicep sleeves and a sweetheart neckline. The customer is /always/ right... A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort - Herm Albright ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
Thanks to all who replied on and off list: I am going to try the nail varnish - if no luck, then acrylic and if all fails, suggest the paperclip (which is a good idea for me personally but maybe not for my v. nice customer). Katherine (brain stumped by heat as much as anything complicated!) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
We have had discussions in the past about carpal tunnel syndrome and sewing, going into prevention and treatment and treatment. But again, it's something of interest to several list members, sewing is a big element of making costume, etc. I think that if a medical condition is discussed, even if costume related that person should be allowed to control the discussion about themselves. It's one thing if a person says themselves that they got carpal tunnel syndrome from doing hand sewing, but they found out that it helped to change their hand position in a certain way, and they feel it is helpful to the list if they pass this info on. It's a different thing if there is a discussion about carpal tunnel, and someone says, Costumer Jane Doe has it and none of her treatment has belped and she's really depressed because she might have to give up her costuming business. That's just gossip. I also think even Jane's input should be costume-related, for example, My doctor told me to quit a session of hand sewing as soon as it became painful. I did not follow her advice and my condition got worse, so take warning by me. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] REPRINT BOOK IRON TIME Fwd: [DW-L] [GERMAN]Fwd: Neuauflage! Schlabow: Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland
Has anyone heard of this? Sounds awfuly interesting! Elisabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [DW-L] [GERMAN]Fwd: Neuauflage! Schlabow: Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland Salve apologies for forwarding a foreign-language mail, but this may be of great interest to some members. A German print-on-demand publisher is reissuing Karl Schlabow: Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland, which is THE definitive work on the rich treasure trove of bog textiles excavated in Germany. The book includes copious illustrations, drawings, and reconstructions of the crafts and techniques used in manufacture. In short, if you have the skills you can reweave most of the pieces 1:1 with this work. The projected price is around EUR 50, orders can be placed here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know how they handle foreign orders, unfortunately. But asking won't hurt. YIS Giano -- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -- Subject: Neuauflage! Karl Schlabow: Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland Date: Montag, 17. Juli 2006 18:12 From: C2C Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eureka!!! Auf meine Anregung hin hat der Wachholtz-Verlag Neumünster sich entschlossen, das vielfach gesuchte zitierte Standardwerk „Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland“ von Karl Schlabow (1976, ISBN: 3529015156) im Rahmen des BoD-Verfahrens (Books on Demand) wieder aufzulegen. Der Preis wird ca. 50 Euro betragen – inklusive Versand direkt durch den Wachholtz-Verlag. Es dauert etwa vom Tag des Postings an 4-6 Wochen, bis die Neuauflage gedruckt wird. Etwas Geduld müsst Ihr also haben. Bitte schickt Eure Bestellungen *unter Angabe Eurer vollständigen Postanschrift* per Mail an: Um Doppelposts zu vermeiden: Diese Nachricht erscheint auch im Archäoforum sowie bei Tempus Vivit und Flinkhand-Forum. Falls Ihr weitere Foren und Interessenten kennt, verbreitet bitte die gute Kunde. Je mehr Bestellungen, desto besser. Einen Bestellschluss gibt es nicht; der Verlag entscheidet dann selbst, wie viel aufgelegt wird. Danke und viel Spaß mit „dem Schlabow“ wünscht Euch Bettina -- Bettina von Stockfleth C2C Media Heitmannstr. 66 22083 Hamburg Tel.: +49 (0) 40 21 99 36 25 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:http://www.c2c-media.de --- ___ Der fre Vogel fgt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de * * TO LEAVE THE LIST * * Write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and, in the text of your message (not the subject line), write: SIGNOFF DW-L Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
I would suggest that if you can't find the colour in Nail polish, try Testor's Model paint - which is a laquer and will not rub off like acrylic will. (Acrylic can also melt in the wash and stick to your fabric where you don't want it) Model paints usually come in very small bottles, and a bigger range of colours than nail polish. Most hobby shops that carry car models will have it. Sheridan P. In a message dated 7/17/2006 12:23:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you paint the tab? Nail polish maybe? Given the color, you may not find nail polish, but perhaps acrylic craft paint? Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Spanish hat styles 1550 men and women
Are you speaking of an Italian Bonnet or an actual flat cap? Lynn McMasters has very good patterns. http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/witalianpatcover.html http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/mitalianpatcover.html http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/THPcover.html I've made the Italian bonnet (mens) for my husband, and it went together very quickly and very well. Kimiko Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where to find a good hat pattern for this period? It looks like a Tudor flat cap but somehow a little different. Catalina nunca sin mi vino - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] subject lines
Just out of curiosity - why attempt to reinvent the wheel just because one individual objects to certain postings? h-costume appears to suit the needs of the majority of posters and lurkers; if it doesn't suit a given persons needs, perhaps they need to look elsewhere. Kelly ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to how _all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts interest them most, than to simply complain, argue about what is acceptable, have people quit the group, etc.? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com RobinandKelly Dorman wrote: Just out of curiosity - why attempt to reinvent the wheel just because one individual objects to certain postings? h-costume appears to suit the needs of the majority of posters and lurkers; if it doesn't suit a given persons needs, perhaps they need to look elsewhere. Kelly ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to how _all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts interest them most, than to simply complain, argue about what is acceptable, have people quit the group, etc.? Did I miss something? Has anyone been complaining, arguing about what is acceptable, or quitting the group? I mean, before you introduced the current discussion? I do see those sorts of problems periodically on other lists, but I haven't seen much of it here that I can think of. But I don't read all the posts, so perhaps I missed it. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
Did I miss something? Yes. I complained about too much off-topic chat, and emails such as congratulations which should be personal, and Kelly said that: Just out of curiosity - why attempt to reinvent the wheel just because one individual objects to certain postings? h-costume appears to suit the needs of the majority of posters and lurkers; if it doesn't suit a given persons needs, perhaps they need to look elsewhere. Kelly Although I thought other people also thought maybe there was a bit too much off-topic and personal chat, I assume the one individual means me. If not, who is it? As I have no intention of leaving a list whose substantive messages are of value and interest me (and as some other people seem to like chat), I suggested the filters as something that has been of great value to me on another list, and which might make everyone on h-costume happier without clogging the list from anyone's viewpoint. Anyone who wishes is welcome to filter out all my emails by my sender address, or any other means their email program or ISP supports. That's what I do, but it's harder to automatically filter out all personal chat on any subject from any member. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Peacock Feathers - England - 1278
I've been studying Manor Accounts, and in the Account of the reeve of Sevenhampton from Michaelmas 1278 to Michaelmas 1279 there is mention of selling the tail of feathers moulted by their peacock. Peacock tails (caude pavonum) He answers for 2 peacock tails produced Of these 1 sold: total 1 and there remains the last tail. Please can someone tell me the likely use of these feathers? Were they stitched to a skirt or a head-dress, perhaps? Were they added to a hat, or made into a fan? Something else? Or am I wrong, and they weren't used for costume purposes at all: maybe they would have been wanted for some sort of interior decorating? Or for some other function - medicinal, a fancy pen, something beyond my wildest imaginings? Yours, awaiting your replies with interest, Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re: h-cost was Subject Lines - Reinventing the Wheel public replies
You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to how _all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts interest them most, than to simply complain, argue about what is acceptable, have people quit the group, etc.? Having done a lot of reading and writing, I'm perfectly capable of skimming the digest titles and then briefly checking I don't miss a nugget of gold in amongst the chat. BTW - As someone who /did/ respond in public in a way that some people find offensive/unnecessarily open/whatever with some personal information, I just want to say TOUGH if you don't like it. You don't have to read my messages, I don't have to read yours - I skimmed hundreds, literally, after the hurricane last year but you know what, I was glad to know everyone was still alive and ok. If I could have helped, I would have been glad to be asked, even though it wasn't costume related. No complaints, no arguing, no quitting - although to be honest I'm considering it after this latest bout of po-faced negativity. What I /would/ like is a way to filter the digest messages. Katherine. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
katherine sanders wrote: Thanks to all who replied on and off list: I am going to try the nail varnish - if no luck, then acrylic and if all fails, suggest the paperclip (which is a good idea for me personally but maybe not for my v. nice customer). Katherine (brain stumped by heat as much as anything complicated!) Somehow I never saw the original, so I'm not sure what the question was, but I would caution against painting with water-soluable acrylic craft paints. I use those regularly for a variety of crafts and hobbies, and if you are painting on metal or plastic you usually need a primer in order to get the paint to stay, and usually also a sealant coat of clear finishing product. Otherwise normal handling will cause the paint to rub off the metal or plastic surface fairly quickly. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!)
Thanks to all who replied on and off list: I am going to try the nail varnish - if no luck, then acrylic and if all fails, suggest the paperclip (which is a good idea for me personally but maybe not for my v. nice customer). The tab is cream, I'm guessing, from experience, thatit is metal painted cream. The dress is green.. Why not dye the tab? Paint takes dye, I've had a few mishaps in this regard, it won't chip off, except when the original piant will chip off. I also like the idea of a feature zip pull. But if that is an option, make sure her hair won't get tangled in it! Michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 17/07/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] re: h-cost was Subject Lines - Reinventing the Wheel public replies
, I just want to say TOUGH if you don't like it. My opinions are as valid as yours. Meanwhile, I am trying to present a constructive solution that might help you and others. I gave up subscribing to digests for any list as soon as I discovered filters, precisely because filters are much more efficient. For one thing, you can set up subject filters that work with all the lists you subscribe to, and with non-email-list messages. For example, one of my subject filters is Virus Warning. I have a body filter that puts everything with the word Nigeria anywhere in it into my Trash folder, because so far every message I've ever gotten with Nigeria in it is some sort of spam/con. - I skimmed hundreds, literally, after the hurricane last year but you know what , I was glad to know everyone was still alive and ok. Yes, I can read well enough to skim hundreds of headers too. However, I don't see why I should spend the time when I don't have to. The point is not whether people should be warm-hearted and help each other. The point is whether on an unrelated list they should keep all or most of it to private email. Although to be honest I'm considering it after this latest bout of po-faced negativity. Insstead of presenting a situation whether either you or I have to quit h-costume, and perhaps asking other people to take sides as to which of us should quit, why not do or suggest something constructive? There are technical solutions, if not 100% perfect ones, to the problem of what to do with too much untargeted information on the Internet. For me, filters are more effective than email list digests. If you don't like the idea of filters, what is your constructive suggestion? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
Although I thought other people also thought maybe there was a bit too much off-topic and personal chat, I assume the one individual means me. If not, who is it? Hey, it's not just one individual - there are two of us at least! As far as people unsubbing, there were some implications of that, such as not wanting to lose the list as a resource or suggestions that people can go elsewhere. Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but I hate change. One change that I see in various places on the internet is drama. I really enjoy the on-topic, serious, professional, scholarly tone of H-Costume even those new to costume or new to the list can see that. Although some may feel intimidated to post at first, they can see that we're high on information and low on noise. So when I see things happening that are personal, chatty, off-topic, gossip, what-have-you, I cringe a bit and hope it will stop very soon. I don't want to lose the people, the flavor, and the topics that remind me why I enjoy historic costume so much. And while a couple of people have commented that they did not think it was a problem, I have not seen anything saying that they think it's great to go off-topic, or that it's fun to read one-liners over and over, or that it's helpful to speculate about someone's personal life. On a lighter note, for those who enjoy a parody of Internet Drama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXUHy8vrVY0 -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] re: h-cost was Subject Lines - Reinventing the Wheel public replies
Okay, at the risk of posting a me too message, I'd like to see something that would help filter out some of the extra chatty messages. I'm on a lot of email lists and I have limited time to read email some days, so being able to filter out the chat stuff, that I usually do no more than read, or delete unread if I can detect it, would be a great time saver for me. If there is a way that we can do that, it would be great. alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: deleting posts and post headers
I would find all the prefixes far too cumbersome, and frankly I don't think the majority on the list would use them; consequently it might confuse the list further. We can't get people to change subject headers, let alone use prefixes. Can't tell you the number of times I've come in late to a discussion, only to find what is being discussed has nothing remotely to do with the subject. This system works well for a disciplined group. I was on a writer's group that used this system effectively. Here? Sorry, no. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.5rivers.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
All I see here is a desire to insinuate that I have said several things I never said, and that I do not think, and generally to flame. And no suggestions of yours as to how to make things better. If you want to flame me, take it to private email. I won't answer it, but it may make you feel better. I doubt extensive public expression of your dislike for me will make anyone else feel better. Fran RobinandKelly Dorman wrote: Fran wrote: You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to how _all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts interest them most, than to simply complain, argue about what is acceptable, have people quit the group, etc.? Isn't rather presumptous to assume that your suggestions would be considered improvements by all h-costume members? Personally, I prefer making people more inclined to post, not less. As my delete button is functional, I simply move on if a post is not one I'm interested in. As I stated before, why does h-costume (or any group) have an obligation to meet your individual needs? Not all groups are suited for all individuals; if it's not a good fit - move on. Perhaps you would be more satisfied owning your own group, where it would be appropriate for you to dictate the standards. Kelly ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...)
On Monday 17 July 2006 1:53 am, Robin Netherton wrote: On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos, computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for everything else? That strikes me as being more likely to succeed, and to be useful, than asking that every post be tagged in some way, which is what I thought you were suggesting originally. For what it's worth; I didn't read Fran's original suggestion as asking that every post be tagged in some way. I thought she was only recommending that we establish a small set (no more than 4, say) of common tags (such as CHAT:) that people would be encouraged to use. I apologize for not having been clearer myself. I don't think that more can be done on *any* list, since the only practical means of enforcement (cutting off the offender's list access) would tend to kill off the list. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity. --Robert Frost ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...)
For what it's worth; I didn't read Fran's original suggestion as asking that every post be tagged in some way. I thought she was only recommending that we establish a small set (no more than 4, say) of common tags (such as CHAT:) that people would be encouraged to use. I apologize for not having been clearer myself. Exactly, and I'm sorry if I confused people by using the term header to mean tag/prefix for a subject line. Which on retrospect was bad idea, because if you want to modify an actual message header you have to hack it, which is only done by people like spammers. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] subject lines
May I add that some of us have just been staying *out* of the whole mess? ;o) I'm on H-costume for the sheer variety of topics and times and talents, from the long-time amateurs such as myself to the professionals in theatre or research--it's all yummy. (and no, I didn't start out intending to make them all t words, but it's really hot here, so what the heck) I don't mind the occasional chattiness at all--if there's a whole bunch of me, too posts, I just delete them as I would any thread in which I have no interest. So here's one person who will upfront say that she likes the chat. It's a bit like being in a room full of people (as in a party, or a fun convention), all talking about similar things, all at once, and I tune in to what I want to listen to and contribute to. I don't find myself cringing in the least (groaning, occasionally, though, if something goes on and on and on, as this whole mess seems to be) On the other hand, I have enough to do with my work and leisure time without fussing over whether I've got the right freaking tag in my subject line. I already do try to remember the basics of OT for off-topic, or OOP for out of period on time-restricted lists, and things like changing subject lines. And I really don't see much speculation over anyone's personal life that's uninvited. Frankly, if someone drops a big, blue note in the middle of the list, I think they're asking for comment, or they wouldn't be going to the trouble of typing it up and sending it. Ditto, snarky words or sneaky comments, or outright rudeness. --Sue - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines Although I thought other people also thought maybe there was a bit too much off-topic and personal chat, I assume the one individual means me. If not, who is it? Hey, it's not just one individual - there are two of us at least! As far as people unsubbing, there were some implications of that, such as not wanting to lose the list as a resource or suggestions that people can go elsewhere. Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but I hate change. One change that I see in various places on the internet is drama. I really enjoy the on-topic, serious, professional, scholarly tone of H-Costume - even those new to costume or new to the list can see that. Although some may feel intimidated to post at first, they can see that we're high on information and low on noise. So when I see things happening that are personal, chatty, off-topic, gossip, what-have-you, I cringe a bit and hope it will stop very soon. I don't want to lose the people, the flavor, and the topics that remind me why I enjoy historic costume so much. And while a couple of people have commented that they did not think it was a problem, I have not seen anything saying that they think it's great to go off-topic, or that it's fun to read one-liners over and over, or that it's helpful to speculate about someone's personal life. On a lighter note, for those who enjoy a parody of Internet Drama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXUHy8vrVY0 -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] off topic---chat--looking for
In a message dated 7/17/2006 9:03:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was glad to know everyone was still alive and ok I have been wondering if a certain person is still on the list. I can't remember her name exactly. She lived in Israel. Does it ring a bell? I was wondering if she was okay. Thanks, Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mysensaria.com/time2spa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...)
Can we kill this discussion? There's nothing wrong with this list. If something comes up that you don't want to read, don't read it. If you accidentally read something you find to be a waste of time, well boo hoo! Who here has spent any significant amount of time reading such things? This place is an oasis of fine tuned subjects compared to many other lists. We don't need any more policing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...)
Can we kill this discussion? There's nothing wrong with this list. If something comes up that you don't want to read, don't read it. If you accidentally read something you find to be a waste of time, well boo hoo! Who here has spent any significant amount of time reading such things? Like many other people on the list, there are _some_ messages you don't want to process at all--or you would not ask to have a discussion killed instead of just ignoring those messages. I understand. I feel the same way. When it became clear that people had different ideas about which discussions are irrelevant and uninteresting, I proposed the idea of filters to see what people thought of it. Some like the idea, some don't. OK. Any inference (not yours, I know) that I'm trying to take over h-costume or impose standards on everyone by making such a suggestion is absurd--it's not even technically possible. So, now we can all go back to flaming each other and asking for discussions to be killed whenever =someone gets bored. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
