[h-cost] John Adams HBO series
The servants were in part 4 - from this past weekend - at the house they were residing at in France. >Has anyone been watching the HBO series, "John Adams"? What is your >general impression of: >Costumes - both the principal characters and the general >populace/servants/etc.? Sandy (and Pierre) "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help finding image
Drea Leeds has the image on her site in Black and White: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.elizabethancostume.net/low erclass/lcolor.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.elizabethancostume.net/lowerclass/fl emish-dress.html&h=257&w=266&sz=69&hl=en&start=5&sig2=nrGtYqUjKybQHWDsCuquyw &tbnid=FCajIe6J7IC0DM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=113&ei=GkL0R9XyJqmkpwTqoYG_DQ&prev=/ima ges%3Fq%3DSixteenth%2Bcentury%2Bmiddle%2Bclass%2Bwomen%2B%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3De n%26sa%3DG Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image I don't have an on-line source, but it's on page 80 of my 'Visual History of Costume: The Sixteenth Century' by Jane Ashelford. Karen Seamstrix -- "Rebecca Schmitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alright - I thought I had one bookmarked, but cannot find it when I need it! I am looking for an online source of the image which shows 4 or 5 English women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something like "countrywoman". If I'm not mixing up my images, she is carrying a basket (with chickens) to take to market in town. One of the other women may be "a citizen of London" Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have a link to this image somewhere?? Thank you!!! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help finding image
I don't have an on-line source, but it's on page 80 of my 'Visual History of Costume: The Sixteenth Century' by Jane Ashelford. Karen Seamstrix -- "Rebecca Schmitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alright - I thought I had one bookmarked, but cannot find it when I need it! I am looking for an online source of the image which shows 4 or 5 English women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something like "countrywoman". If I'm not mixing up my images, she is carrying a basket (with chickens) to take to market in town. One of the other women may be "a citizen of London" Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have a link to this image somewhere?? Thank you!!! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Menu Translation for Danish Living History Site - WOW!
I am sending this on for those of you who are interested in the Danish Living History Site. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:07:06 +0300 Subject: Re: [GermanRenCostume] Danish Living History Site - WOW! Ofcourse! No problem at all! :) Swedish and Danish are very closely related so if you speak one you can read the other. If there are any specifics you would need feel free to ask me for translations. Right now I can't really write that much due to tendenitis, but I can do short stuff. :) /Katheryn 2008/4/2, Saragrace Knauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thank you so much Katheryn - would it be okay to send this translation to other lists? Sg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:40:34 +0300 Subject: Re: [GermanRenCostume] Danish Living History Site - WOW! Since I do read Danish I can at least translate the links on this page: http://www.livinghistory.dk/index.html 1. Costumes on Epitafies (paintings/artwork of deceased) and gravestones 2. Painted Epitafies (paintings/artwork of deceased). (Burgher costumes from the 17:th century) 3. Painted Epitafies. (Nobility) 4. Statues (free standing Epitafies) 5. Other inventories 6. Gravestones 7. Articles 8. 10 we can recommend 9. Cavalcade – the developement of costume 10. Ruffle collar gallery (this type of collar is still used by priests in Denmark) I hope this helps. One thing to remember about Swedish, Danish and Norwegian: If it says 1500-talet it means 16:th century. If it says 1600-talet it means 17:th century and so on. /Katheryn . __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (4) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages |Files |Photos |Links |Database |Polls Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 1 New Photos Visit Your Group Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of Yahoo! Groups. All-Bran 10 Day Challenge Join the club and feel the benefits. Yahoo! Groups Balance your life by learning how to make smart choices. . __,_._,___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Professional Pleaters - was Knife pleating:
Margo et al, I am certain I remember someone on another list mentioning a year or two ago that SF Pleating had moved to South San Francisco. However, in looking them up in the on-line Yellow Pages, only the address on 2nd St, S.F. shows up with the same phone number Margo mentioned. My friend used SF Pleating a couple of times several years ago. She was very pleased with the job they did. She finished both edges of the fabric before sending it to them. Because it was short, yards of 6-7" fabric, they were willing to cut costs and pleat two widths at once. We all know how bustle gowns eat up pleating! No, I don't know the price. LynnD On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Margo Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I was doing wedding dresses, I used San Francisco Pleating Co. > There were no minimums, they were fine with pleating a yard or less. > Here's contact info: > > San Francisco Pleating Co.- 425 2nd St.,San Francisco, CA., 94107, > (415)982-3003 > Custom pleating. They do knife, accordion, crystal, box, mushroom and > sunburst pleating on your cloth. Send business sized (#10) SASE for > brochure. > > Margo > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Regional accents, was Making history hip
Dianne wrote: > Point was simply that it would be harder for an American to distinguish > between regional British accents, as it would be hard for someone from > England to distinguish between say, Michigan and Ohio. Those states in particular are a really good case in point. There isn't an Ohio accent--there are three or four, at least. There's the Cleveland/Northern accent (fairly nasal, somewhat akin to the typical Michigan accent), the Appalachian accent (SE part of the state, akin to West Virginia and eastern Kentucky), and two Midwestern accents --one a little more generic than the other (which involves people saying "warsh" for wash and "crick" for creek). Columbus, where I'm originally from, gets all four. Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help finding image
That's it!!! Thank you!!! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:48 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help finding image > > Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something > > like "countrywoman". If I'm not mixing up my images, she is > carrying a > > basket (with chickens) > > This one? > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-SGAPxUqpJAunP1FuPfR6g > > > > Dawn > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 121
In a message dated 4/2/2008 1:00:46 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > From: Andrew Trembley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip > To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've > >though I was Scottish. > > > >I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* > > > "But if you're from another planet, why do you sound like you're from > the North?" > > "Lots of planets have a north!" > > (Sorry, I had to...) It's ok! I got it! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help finding image
Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something like > "countrywoman". If I'm not mixing up my images, she is carrying a basket > (with chickens) This one? http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-SGAPxUqpJAunP1FuPfR6g Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon
In a message dated 4/1/2008 10:06:19 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subject: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon > To: h-cost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > As probably the closest one to the Con (it's 2miles from my house) I > thought I'd start the discussion. Who's going? Should we meet for tea > &photo ops? Shall we wear our Scarlet Letters? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Being the Spy that I am, I offer my table as a meeting post. I look forward to meeting you! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Help finding image
Alright - I thought I had one bookmarked, but cannot find it when I need it! I am looking for an online source of the image which shows 4 or 5 English women in mid-16th century, with one of the women labelled something like "countrywoman". If I'm not mixing up my images, she is carrying a basket (with chickens) to take to market in town. One of the other women may be "a citizen of London" Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have a link to this image somewhere?? Thank you!!! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Making history hip
In a message dated 4/1/2008 10:06:19 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:50:10 -0500 > From: Sarah Krans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip > To: Historical Costume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > And Kentucky is different than Tennessee. :) For the most part, the > same is said about every state/region. > > Sarah K > Wisconsin (but have been asked on a number of occasions if I were from > Canada!) Nah! You're jus from da Sous Side, aina hey! Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dream Costume (was Making history hip (OT)
I made that dress years ago for a bride--she had the perfect figure and personality for it. When she first called me, after trying several other bridal dressmakers, who had barely even heard of Gone With The Wind, she was thrilled when I knew exactly the dress she was talking about immediately. She was so cute. In deference to her fiance's family we made it in pale pink, but it had all the feathers and rhinestones. I ended up just calling her Scarlett by the end of our fittings. There were some fun brides among the boring or difficult ones. Katy On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 21:01 02/04/2008, you wrote: > > > > Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a question > > > for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream costume, > > > what would it be? > > > --cin > > > >LOL! It would be made by someone else, of course! > > > >I think I would tend toward some kind of big poofy cinderella fantasy > >style dress dripping with beads and hand work, though who knows where > >I'd wear it. > > > http://www.geocities.com/mm_civil_war1/GWTW_Scarlett.html > > This, but I'd need someone to make me the right shape to wear it!! (I > think if you could roll me out like making a sausage, my short fat > body would become tall and slim - fat chance!) > > Suzi > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip
In a message dated 02/04/2008 19:00:26 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrew Trembley wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've >> though I was Scottish. >> >> I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* >> > > > "But if you're from another planet, why do you sound like you're from > the North?" > > "Lots of planets have a north!" > > (Sorry, I had to...) > > andy > > Yeees - that's North East England, Debs! But then, if you came from North East Scotland, even I wouldn't be able to understand you. Jean (from south east England, now living in south east Scotland) But my assumption would be that the additional specification of north east england would be redundant, as the first sentence made it clear which country I was referring to ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dream Costume (was Making history hip (OT)
At 21:01 02/04/2008, you wrote: > > Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a question > > for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream costume, > > what would it be? > > --cin > >LOL! It would be made by someone else, of course! > >I think I would tend toward some kind of big poofy cinderella fantasy >style dress dripping with beads and hand work, though who knows where >I'd wear it. http://www.geocities.com/mm_civil_war1/GWTW_Scarlett.html This, but I'd need someone to make me the right shape to wear it!! (I think if you could roll me out like making a sausage, my short fat body would become tall and slim - fat chance!) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dream Costume (was Making history hip (OT)
> Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a question > for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream costume, > what would it be? > --cin LOL! It would be made by someone else, of course! I think I would tend toward some kind of big poofy cinderella fantasy style dress dripping with beads and hand work, though who knows where I'd wear it. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Professional Pleaters - was Knife pleating:
At 14:15 02/04/2008, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, Could you tell us who you use, and approximately what it >costs to have this done? I have seen these adds before, but just >assumed you had to have stuff done in such huge amounts that it >probably wasn't affordable. Saragrace As I work in England I think it would be prohibitive for you to have fabric pleated here. There are U.S. suggestions from others on the list, I see - or Google. Suzi > >Thanks,Sg> > It may be worth looking for somewhere that does >permanent pleating > professionally. I use a firm to pleat my >fabrics if I want the pleats > to be permanent - they do it by >machine and weight I believe. My firm > will pleat anything, >including silk organza, silk and cotton. They > all keep their >pleats.> > If I am hand pleating, I press in the pleats, down the >entire length, > baste each one, and steam iron again. (A long and >boring, but > satisfying process!)> > Suzi> > >___> h-costume mailing >list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >___ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Professional Pleaters - was Knife pleating:
When I was doing wedding dresses, I used San Francisco Pleating Co. There were no minimums, they were fine with pleating a yard or less. Here's contact info: San Francisco Pleating Co.- 425 2nd St.,San Francisco, CA., 94107, (415)982-3003 Custom pleating. They do knife, accordion, crystal, box, mushroom and sunburst pleating on your cloth. Send business sized (#10) SASE for brochure. Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Making history hip (OT)
Tangier Is has an airport & has had one for 40+ years. I've flown in there. Small planes, mind you. It's also accessible by anyone with a motorboat. You didnt need a satellite TV to pick up "foreign" or "polluting" accents. There was radio available and broadcast TV, too. None of these places are so isolated as these stories like to pretend. When I was a kid, we used to spend the morning fishing in the Chesapeake, then go to the Tangier inn & restaurant and get the world's best grits & gravy. They do have a distinctive accent, often attributed to massive inbreeding. That was probably just our Accomac county snobbery talking. I remember reading a Thomas Hardy novel, maybe Jude the Obscure, and thinking that the provincial Sussex accent mocked by another character sounded remarkably like someone from Rappahannock VA. Can we get back to our regularly scheduled topic? Here's a question for you: If you had sufficient resources to make your dream costume, what would it be? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Most versions I have heard of this refer to Tangiers Island, which is off of Virginia not the Carolinas, I have heard references to the Carolinas and even the Ozarks! Tangiers is still accessible only by ferry. Of course none of the various places in America I have heard touted as having a surviving 16th century accent were in fact settled in that period! > Ron Carnegie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip
Andrew Trembley wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've >> though I was Scottish. >> >> I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* >> > > > "But if you're from another planet, why do you sound like you're from > the North?" > > "Lots of planets have a north!" > > (Sorry, I had to...) > > andy > > Yeees - that's North East England, Debs! But then, if you came from North > East Scotland, even I wouldn't be able to understand you. Jean (from south east England, now living in south east Scotland) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've > though I was Scottish. > > I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* "But if you're from another planet, why do you sound like you're from the North?" "Lots of planets have a north!" (Sorry, I had to...) andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Regional accents, was Making history hip
Dianne wrote: >Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania >accent? >How about Kentucky and Texas? OK, point taken!>> Good. I thought at first I might have come off snotty, and I didn't intend to do so. Point was simply that it would be harder for an American to distinguish between regional British accents, as it would be hard for someone from England to distinguish between say, Michigan and Ohio. As a native Michiganian, the main difference I notice between MI and my current residence of Pennsylvania is more of phrasing--PA says soda, Michigan calls it pop. And I don't recall ever hearing a waitress in MI asking if we "want your drinks a while till your food is ready?", or a Michiganian saying "youse guys". Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Professional pleaters
< > It may be worth looking for somewhere that does permanent pleating > professionally. I use a firm to pleat my fabrics if I want the pleats > to be permanent - they do it by machine and weight I believe. My firm > will pleat anything, including silk organza, silk and cotton. They > all keep their pleats.> > If I am hand pleating, I press in the pleats, down the entire length, > baste each one, and steam iron again. (A long and boring, but > satisfying process I have always used A-1 Pleating in Los Angeles.? It's not true that they only deal with polyester. I have had a lot of natural fabrics pleated.? They can do a variety of different pleats and they stay in the fabric because they "cook" them in pleating ovens.? Even if the pleats fall out a little bit over the years, the creases remain and it's pretty easy to touch them up.? I especially like having sunburst pleats done because it's impossible to do them yourself.? And it's true that it can be pricey but if you're needing to save time and want accuracy and permanency, it's worth the expense. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series - Servants and pins.
I am reading the book right now - early on, when John is about 41, indeed they do not have any servants except one girl who lived (and died, I might add, of an epidemic) while John was in Philadelphia. By this time-the Adams of Braintree Massachusetts, were 4th generation American farmers; who did lots of things on the side to survive, from shoe cobbling to malt making. I am enjoying the book Sg Oh, I forgot to add some costume content! One anecdotal note was made when Abigal asked John to buy her a bundle of pins from Philadelphia: '''The cry for pins is so great that what we used to buy for 7 shilling and six pence are now 20 shillings and not to be had for that." A bundle of pins contained six thousand, she explained. These she could sell for hard money or use for barter." > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:28:43 -0600> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series> > Pierre & Sandy > Pettinger wrote:> Servants? What servants? I'd expect the Adams' to have a > couple > farmhands and at least one girl in the house, but I've seen none. > > There's no way Abigail is running the farm by herself with 3 small kids. > > They might have a cow and some chickens, but no way there's a crop > coming > without help.> > > > Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Professional Pleaters - was Knife pleating:
Hi Suzi, Could you tell us who you use, and approximately what it costs to have this done? I have seen these adds before, but just assumed you had to have stuff done in such huge amounts that it probably wasn't affordable. Thanks,Sg> > It may be worth looking for somewhere that does permanent pleating > professionally. I use a firm to pleat my fabrics if I want the pleats > to be permanent - they do it by machine and weight I believe. My firm > will pleat anything, including silk organza, silk and cotton. They > all keep their pleats.> > If I am hand pleating, I press in the pleats, down the entire length, > baste each one, and steam iron again. (A long and boring, but > satisfying process!)> > Suzi> > ___> h-costume mailing list> h-costume@mail.indra.com> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating:
In a message dated 4/2/2008 7:02:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There would be one or multiple rows of this stitching, unseen from the outside, which would keep the inner edge of the fold in place. * And I have seen on period examples the front fold edge-stitched to keep it folded. This was done by machine in matching thread right-on-the-edgeI mean so close as to be practically invisible. **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating:
I'm not sure of the gown you will be trying to interpret; most dresses I have seen first hand have the pleating around the underskirt; usually 8/12 ". There is a pleater board that Clotilda carries that does the pleating so quicklyfor this width. .It is a square with "pockets" that you stuff and press. The first time I used it i said "yeah shure" and was surprised to have four yards pleated whith in an hour...a job that usually meant a whole day involvement. just remember that the fabric being pleated is hemmed in advance!! I used spraystarch for a crisp finish and this held up pretty much through the drycleaning. I vaguely remember seeing the device produced for 30"? Kathleen - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:07 AM Subject: [h-cost] Knife pleating: > Hello, I bought material to make my first bustle dress, I am going to > try and emulate a gown I have in a La Mode Parisiennes fashion plate > from 1880 with consideration of Edna Pontellier's white cotton ensemble > at the beginning of Grand Isle. > What I am trying to get down is how to do knife pleating. I have read > many different instructions on how to make the pleats, but how can one > acheive a sharp pleat that holds through the whole length to the bottom > edge? The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately > stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would > crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of > permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create > permanent creases? > > Justine. > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip
Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've though I was Scottish. I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* (Of course, then when I pointed out where I'm from, some asked which part of Scotland that was in! In a message dated 02/04/2008 04:06:04 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 119
Sharon Collier wrote: >. Before acrylics, we >used >to make our own paint, using hoof-and-horn glue. We called it casein paint. >You mixed the ground up stuff (hooves and horns, apparently) up with water, >heated it and mixed in dry pigment. Perhaps this is what they used in olden >times for fabric. >You can still get that kind of glue-it's called "mucilage" or possibly >"hide" glue, the brown stuff that used to come in a glass bottle with an >angled rubber top. . >Another name for this might be "milk paint". This is sometimes found on old >furniture. Apparently it's a pain to remove from furniture if you're >refinishing. I've never come across it myself, but I think it's a version of >this type of casein-based paint. Are you sure you're not talking about two different things, Sharon? My understanding is that casein is a substance found in milk and cheese, but the substance extracted from hooves and horns is gelatin. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating:
In period they would often run a line of stitching on the backside of the pleating, catching each interior fold. There would be one or multiple rows of this stitching, unseen from the outside, which would keep the inner edge of the fold in place. Katy On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:07 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, I bought material to make my first bustle dress, I am going to > try and emulate a gown I have in a La Mode Parisiennes fashion plate > from 1880 with consideration of Edna Pontellier's white cotton ensemble > at the beginning of Grand Isle. > What I am trying to get down is how to do knife pleating. I have read > many different instructions on how to make the pleats, but how can one > acheive a sharp pleat that holds through the whole length to the bottom > edge? The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately > stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would > crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of > permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create > permanent creases? > > Justine. > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Danish Living History Site - WOW!
http://www.livinghistory.dk/index.html Wow indeed! What a fascinating site, with some quite haunting portraits. In English churches you can see memorials with sculpted portraits of the deceased, but never oil paintings. I gather a lot of the subjects must be clergymen, as they're wearing ruffs long after these ceased to be fashionable. Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating:
At 11:15 02/04/2008, you wrote: > > What I am trying to get down is how to do knife pleating. I have read > > many different instructions on how to make the pleats, but how can one > > acheive a sharp pleat that holds through the whole length to the bottom > > edge? The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately > > stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would > > crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of > > permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create > > permanent creases? > >I've made several fully kilted or pleated skirts and there are a few >tips I'd recommend. > >Make a yoke to hang the pleats from. It's how it was done at the time >and makes it easier and hang better. >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/bella.htm >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/absinthe.htm >http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/wishing.htm > >These are my three Victorian pleated skirts. The first two are >stitched down at regular intervals down the length of the skirt. >That's how they keep their shape. I pleated as much fabric as I was >able and then treated that as a single pice of fabric that I cat to >shape at the waist and that is how the skirts are rather full. >The third is box pleated and the pleats need to be pressed anew each >time I wear it. But the pleats need to be left open. > >Permanent pressers generally only deal with polyester (maybe a few >other man made fibres) as it can be permanently pressed with heat. >Cotton and linen will eventually lose the crisp edge. It may be worth looking for somewhere that does permanent pleating professionally. I use a firm to pleat my fabrics if I want the pleats to be permanent - they do it by machine and weight I believe. My firm will pleat anything, including silk organza, silk and cotton. They all keep their pleats. If I am hand pleating, I press in the pleats, down the entire length, baste each one, and steam iron again. (A long and boring, but satisfying process!) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Knife pleating:
> What I am trying to get down is how to do knife pleating. I have read > many different instructions on how to make the pleats, but how can one > acheive a sharp pleat that holds through the whole length to the bottom > edge? The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately > stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would > crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of > permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create > permanent creases? I've made several fully kilted or pleated skirts and there are a few tips I'd recommend. Make a yoke to hang the pleats from. It's how it was done at the time and makes it easier and hang better. http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/bella.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/historical/absinthe.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/phantom/wishing.htm These are my three Victorian pleated skirts. The first two are stitched down at regular intervals down the length of the skirt. That's how they keep their shape. I pleated as much fabric as I was able and then treated that as a single pice of fabric that I cat to shape at the waist and that is how the skirts are rather full. The third is box pleated and the pleats need to be pressed anew each time I wear it. But the pleats need to be left open. Permanent pressers generally only deal with polyester (maybe a few other man made fibres) as it can be permanently pressed with heat. Cotton and linen will eventually lose the crisp edge. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
