Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed and could have been added by some angry player which is why they are flawed. Whether my server use has decreased or not, servers are not showing on the list. It is uncofirmed if this could be an issue with Valve's master server itself but I have my doubts a bug would occur there. This is a screenshot just a few seconds ago. I have selected US West as location and not password protected. http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/DontWannaName123/bug-3.png On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Don Williamsd...@precdata.com wrote: I see 2 of my 3 servers in that list.. I've noticed too the same thing with my other server. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted It wouldn't take much to delist every single West Coast server, I'm sure it would be more than possible to do it with a simple 10mbit box. For instance at one point I was able to view my server in the server browser just fine, now my test server is well... Unknown to the masses, than again this only started happening a couple weeks ago. I just checked now and I still don't see it. This is however most likely unrelated to your issue DWN. My steam server list: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5486/listf.jpg Kyle. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig Hrobolea...@gmail.com wrote: I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance on Steam as a whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are probably starting there. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west coast. The heartbeat is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the packets so fast that its almost impossible to combat it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig Hrobolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
I noticed my internet connection drops (Web browsing only, really) whenever I start L4D2 (or the Steam group server refresh), I knew there was something up with it, but cbf investigating. It is -really- annoying though. Modem model is Billion 404VGP-M Cheers, Joshua Bost On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Shane Arnold clontar...@iinet.net.auwrote: Most consumer-grade DSL/Internet hardware routers with built-in firewalls and DDoS protection with fuck with the server browser, as the connection literally gets flooded with responses. As for servers being blacklisted on a community-based database, I'd had to be the one yelling told you so. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
Yep, unfortunately it will do that on most of the consumer hardware. The best solution is to set Steam's setting for your connection lower, which won't flood the connection quite so much, and allow you to get a full refresh, or set your modem to bridge mode and get a good router to handle the connection to your ISP. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Josh Bost dislexs...@dislexsick.com wrote: I noticed my internet connection drops (Web browsing only, really) whenever I start L4D2 (or the Steam group server refresh), I knew there was something up with it, but cbf investigating. It is -really- annoying though. Modem model is Billion 404VGP-M Cheers, Joshua Bost On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Shane Arnold clontar...@iinet.net.au wrote: Most consumer-grade DSL/Internet hardware routers with built-in firewalls and DDoS protection with fuck with the server browser, as the connection literally gets flooded with responses. As for servers being blacklisted on a community-based database, I'd had to be the one yelling told you so. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
Though that will mess up your in-game rates and then if you change the rates in-game the steam setting will also change to. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: ...The best solution is to set Steam's setting for your connection lower, which won't flood the connection quite so much, and allow you to get a full refresh... On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Josh Bost dislexs...@dislexsick.com wrote: I noticed my internet connection drops (Web browsing only, really) whenever I start L4D2 (or the Steam group server refresh), I knew there was something up with it, but cbf investigating. It is -really- annoying though. Modem model is Billion 404VGP-M Cheers, Joshua Bost On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Shane Arnold clontar...@iinet.net.au wrote: Most consumer-grade DSL/Internet hardware routers with built-in firewalls and DDoS protection with fuck with the server browser, as the connection literally gets flooded with responses. As for servers being blacklisted on a community-based database, I'd had to be the one yelling told you so. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
Unfortunately, yep. I always check my rate in game anyway because steam always messes it up. :) On Feb 5, 2010 10:15 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Though that will mess up your in-game rates and then if you change the rates in-game the steam setting will also change to. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: ...The best solution is to set Steam's setting for your connection lower, which won't flood the connect... refresh... On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Josh Bost dislexs...@dislexsick.com wrote: I noticed m... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
I believe there's a sourcemod plugin which runs the `heartbeat` command every XX seconds (as preset by a command). Might wanna try using that in the meantime. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
This: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=102052 On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:21 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: I believe there's a sourcemod plugin which runs the `heartbeat` command every XX seconds (as preset by a command). Might wanna try using that in the meantime. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
Are you sure your servers are contacting master? Thanks, - Saul. On 4 February 2010 22:13, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west coast. The heartbeat is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the packets so fast that its almost impossible to combat it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Only takes one connection. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance on Steam as a whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are probably starting there. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west coast. The heartbeat is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the packets so fast that its almost impossible to combat it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance on Steam as a whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are probably starting there. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west coast. The heartbeat is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the packets so fast that its almost impossible to combat it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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IMHO, Don'tWannaName knows what he is talking about as he is an experienced server operator; it is probably not down to his servers not connecting to the master or heartbeating. Phil ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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It wouldn't take much to delist every single West Coast server, I'm sure it would be more than possible to do it with a simple 10mbit box. For instance at one point I was able to view my server in the server browser just fine, now my test server is well... Unknown to the masses, than again this only started happening a couple weeks ago. I just checked now and I still don't see it. This is however most likely unrelated to your issue DWN. My steam server list: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5486/listf.jpg Kyle. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance on Steam as a whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are probably starting there. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west coast. The heartbeat is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the packets so fast that its almost impossible to combat it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
DontWannaName, Do you run any kind of shenanigans on your server? I think it's been about a month since valve implemented blacklisting (in fact, almost a month to the day) http://store.steampowered.com/news/3308/ Your servers are showing up on some blacklists, including: http://tf2stats.net/fake_players/ and http://tf2app.com/blacklist/servers.php (As Top Notch Clan) Are you sure your decline in popularity isn't because of people utilizing these blacklists? Perhaps it would be wise to remove the offending fake player plug-ins and contact the managers of the blacklists for removal, and leave the offending plug-ins off the server. - voogru. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:33 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance on Steam as a whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are probably starting there. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west coast. The heartbeat is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the packets so fast that its almost impossible to combat it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
My Server TF2 Romania Vanilla is listed as fake slots. We never used fake slots so i don't trust this list. 2010/2/5 Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com DontWannaName, Do you run any kind of shenanigans on your server? I think it's been about a month since valve implemented blacklisting (in fact, almost a month to the day) http://store.steampowered.com/news/3308/ Your servers are showing up on some blacklists, including: http://tf2stats.net/fake_players/ and http://tf2app.com/blacklist/servers.php (As Top Notch Clan) Are you sure your decline in popularity isn't because of people utilizing these blacklists? Perhaps it would be wise to remove the offending fake player plug-ins and contact the managers of the blacklists for removal, and leave the offending plug-ins off the server. - voogru. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:33 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance on Steam as a whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are probably starting there. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west coast. The heartbeat is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the packets so fast that its almost impossible to combat it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
this is also a screenshot from a few seconds ago: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4880/serversq.png On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed and could have been added by some angry player which is why they are flawed. Whether my server use has decreased or not, servers are not showing on the list. It is uncofirmed if this could be an issue with Valve's master server itself but I have my doubts a bug would occur there. This is a screenshot just a few seconds ago. I have selected US West as location and not password protected. http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/DontWannaName123/bug-3.png On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Don Williams d...@precdata.com wrote: I see 2 of my 3 servers in that list.. I've noticed too the same thing with my other server. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted It wouldn't take much to delist every single West Coast server, I'm sure it would be more than possible to do it with a simple 10mbit box. For instance at one point I was able to view my server in the server browser just fine, now my test server is well... Unknown to the masses, than again this only started happening a couple weeks ago. I just checked now and I still don't see it. This is however most likely unrelated to your issue DWN. My steam server list: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5486/listf.jpg Kyle. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance on Steam as a whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are probably starting there. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west coast. The heartbeat is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the packets so fast that its almost impossible to combat it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
That's funny. My clan's TF2 server, which we just took down, is showing up on the first blacklist you have there. All we had running was the Valve created bots for the maps that they can play on and we some how got on that list.. oh well, took the server down anyway because there wasn't enough interest in my clan. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: DontWannaName, Do you run any kind of shenanigans on your server? I think it's been about a month since valve implemented blacklisting (in fact, almost a month to the day) http://store.steampowered.com/news/3308/ Your servers are showing up on some blacklists, including: http://tf2stats.net/fake_players/ and http://tf2app.com/blacklist/servers.php (As Top Notch Clan) Are you sure your decline in popularity isn't because of people utilizing these blacklists? Perhaps it would be wise to remove the offending fake player plug-ins and contact the managers of the blacklists for removal, and leave the offending plug-ins off the server. - voogru. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:33 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance on Steam as a whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are probably starting there. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west coast. The heartbeat is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the packets so fast that its almost impossible to combat it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: It would take an extremely large and organized group of individuals to actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you are being blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your connection to the master servers. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the west coast making it so our servers do not show in any list except in favorites. This is severely hurting our population and forcing users to find servers elsewhere. Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on the west coast. For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end Valve needs to fix this. This has been going on for at least a month now and by posting this I hope to reach more affected server owns. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
Same with mine... no fake slots plugins but my clan's server is on there as well... doesn't matter anymore since we took it down, but that list obviously can't be trusted. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Nightbox alexandrualexa...@gmail.comwrote: My Server TF2 Romania Vanilla is listed as fake slots. We never used fake slots so i don't trust this list. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I don't trust those lists, because I've noticed that our servers have
reported clients in-game, when in fact, they have not been in game. It's all
part of a refresh problem I'm going to guess. I once tested the problem by
kicking one of our guys who had been idleing in spectate. I check the list
and it STILL showed him in game after I refreshed many times. That I am not
happy about because I would not wish to lie to prospective players D:
So, It's possible servers are being placed on that list simply due to a
valve bug instead of the true plugin.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Andy C grossk...@flotgaming.net wrote:
Same with mine... no fake slots plugins but my clan's server is on there as
well... doesn't matter anymore since we took it down, but that list
obviously can't be trusted.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Nightbox alexandrualexa...@gmail.com
wrote:
My Server TF2 Romania Vanilla is listed as fake slots. We never used fake
slots so i don't trust this list.
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Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
I dont think it happens 24/7 there are periods where it stops but I can assure you it does happen very often and at bad times such as the evenings. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Andy C grossk...@flotgaming.net wrote: Same with mine... no fake slots plugins but my clan's server is on there as well... doesn't matter anymore since we took it down, but that list obviously can't be trusted. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Nightbox alexandrualexa...@gmail.com wrote: My Server TF2 Romania Vanilla is listed as fake slots. We never used fake slots so i don't trust this list. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
or its scanning for version cvars and flagging servers that have certain
mods installed or settings.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Mark Gunnett mgunnett4...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't trust those lists, because I've noticed that our servers have
reported clients in-game, when in fact, they have not been in game. It's
all
part of a refresh problem I'm going to guess. I once tested the problem by
kicking one of our guys who had been idleing in spectate. I check the list
and it STILL showed him in game after I refreshed many times. That I am not
happy about because I would not wish to lie to prospective players D:
So, It's possible servers are being placed on that list simply due to a
valve bug instead of the true plugin.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Andy C grossk...@flotgaming.net wrote:
Same with mine... no fake slots plugins but my clan's server is on there
as
well... doesn't matter anymore since we took it down, but that list
obviously can't be trusted.
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Nightbox alexandrualexa...@gmail.com
wrote:
My Server TF2 Romania Vanilla is listed as fake slots. We never used
fake
slots so i don't trust this list.
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Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
DontWannaName, Is 68.68.32.217:27015 is one of your servers? nslookup 68.68.32.217 Server: home Address: 192.168.1.254 Name:TopNotchClan.com Address: 68.68.32.217 I dont know why people think I run fake clients The output of meta list on your server seems to declare otherwise. I included the status to show it's your server (and included a screenshot). So this statement you just made to the list is verifiably false. hostname: (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH [HLSTATSX] version : 1.0.8.2/15 4105 secure udp/ip : 68.68.32.217:27015 map : pl_goldrush at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z players : 23 (32 max) # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 656 Mace STEAM_0:1:17067890 04:47 104 0 active # 652 (604) EmpTy.ws STEAM_0:0:14413027 08:11 71 0 active # 640 Emperor Norton STEAM_0:0:18677953 23:31 55 0 active # 619 Hamburglar STEAM_0:0:24508093 1:13:16 46 0 active # 644 (-TN-) duncan db STEAM_0:0:6646078 14:54 52 0 active # 657 Adiuvo STEAM_0:0:24559447 04:28 52 0 active # 621 prophet /̵͇̿/'̿-̅- STEAM_0:1:346214 1:04:04 48 0 active # 622 Necron99 STEAM_0:0:11138643 1:02:51 69 0 active # 630 a# - Auburn STEAM_0:0:19899268 42:10 92 0 active # 654 Do Not Feed The Trolls STEAM_0:0:25091821 06:23 142 0 active # 655 Graham STEAM_0:0:1264864 05:10 49 0 active # 632 Harusame Mizukishi STEAM_0:1:27360078 39:36 78 0 active # 633 (-TN-) the stig STEAM_0:1:10849346 37:29 67 0 active # 642 Stig-a-holic STEAM_0:1:5511593 22:15 81 0 active # 647 JOEx213 STEAM_0:0:15905280 13:27 58 0 active # 658 Spicychicken STEAM_0:1:6391583 02:40 79 0 active # 649 The Turbinator STEAM_0:1:18998315 12:25 247 0 active # 650 spasm STEAM_0:0:27043313 12:10 87 0 active # 651 .Monkey STEAM_0:1:20832704 11:57 175 0 active # 659 Boni STEAM_0:0:17026514 01:47 152 0 active # 660 pisssant STEAM_0:0:298430 00:51 73 0 active Mace killed (604) EmpTy.ws with sniperrifle. (crit) ] meta list [01] FAKE CLIENTS Plugin (1.0.0.0) by AzuiSleet [02] D-FENS (1.1) by Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [03] SourceMod (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [04] TF2 Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [05] BinTools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [06] SDK Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC Screenshot in case the list screws this up: http://www.voogru.com/images/fakeclients.jpg So yeah, I think this rules out the angry player scenario. DontWannaName, we weren't born yesterday. So please don't insult the intelligence of the people on the list by lying to them when you are having issues. Lying to players (via fakeclients) is a dumb idea, lying to a bunch of experienced server operators is a really dumb idea. - voogru -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed and could have been added by some angry player which is why they are flawed. Whether my server use has decreased or not, servers are not showing on the list. It is uncofirmed if this could be an issue with Valve's master server itself but I have my doubts a bug would occur there. This is a screenshot just a few seconds ago. I have selected US West as location and not password protected. http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/DontWannaName123/bug-3.png On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Don Williams d...@precdata.com wrote: I see 2 of my 3 servers in that list.. I've noticed too the same thing with my other server. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted It wouldn't take much to delist every single West Coast server, I'm sure it would be more than possible to do it with a simple 10mbit box. For instance at one point I was able to view my server in the server browser just fine, now my test server is well... Unknown to the masses, than again this only started happening a couple weeks ago. I just checked now and I still don't see it. This is however most likely unrelated to your issue DWN. My steam server list: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5486/listf.jpg Kyle. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig H robolea...@gmail.com wrote: I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance on Steam as a whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are probably starting there. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am positive
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
I didn't join every single server that I'm not familiar with on the blacklist, but the blacklist seems very accurate to me. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: DontWannaName, Is 68.68.32.217:27015 is one of your servers? nslookup 68.68.32.217 Server: home Address: 192.168.1.254 Name:TopNotchClan.com Address: 68.68.32.217 I dont know why people think I run fake clients The output of meta list on your server seems to declare otherwise. I included the status to show it's your server (and included a screenshot). So this statement you just made to the list is verifiably false. hostname: (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH [HLSTATSX] version : 1.0.8.2/15 4105 secure udp/ip : 68.68.32.217:27015 map : pl_goldrush at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z players : 23 (32 max) # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 656 Mace STEAM_0:1:17067890 04:47 104 0 active # 652 (604) EmpTy.ws STEAM_0:0:14413027 08:11 71 0 active # 640 Emperor Norton STEAM_0:0:18677953 23:31 55 0 active # 619 Hamburglar STEAM_0:0:24508093 1:13:16 46 0 active # 644 (-TN-) duncan db STEAM_0:0:6646078 14:54 52 0 active # 657 Adiuvo STEAM_0:0:24559447 04:28 52 0 active # 621 prophet /̵͇̿/'̿-̅- STEAM_0:1:346214 1:04:04 48 0 active # 622 Necron99 STEAM_0:0:11138643 1:02:51 69 0 active # 630 a# - Auburn STEAM_0:0:19899268 42:10 92 0 active # 654 Do Not Feed The Trolls STEAM_0:0:25091821 06:23 142 0 active # 655 Graham STEAM_0:0:1264864 05:10 49 0 active # 632 Harusame Mizukishi STEAM_0:1:27360078 39:36 78 0 active # 633 (-TN-) the stig STEAM_0:1:10849346 37:29 67 0 active # 642 Stig-a-holic STEAM_0:1:5511593 22:15 81 0 active # 647 JOEx213 STEAM_0:0:15905280 13:27 58 0 active # 658 Spicychicken STEAM_0:1:6391583 02:40 79 0 active # 649 The Turbinator STEAM_0:1:18998315 12:25 247 0 active # 650 spasm STEAM_0:0:27043313 12:10 87 0 active # 651 .Monkey STEAM_0:1:20832704 11:57 175 0 active # 659 Boni STEAM_0:0:17026514 01:47 152 0 active # 660 pisssant STEAM_0:0:298430 00:51 73 0 active Mace killed (604) EmpTy.ws with sniperrifle. (crit) ] meta list [01] FAKE CLIENTS Plugin (1.0.0.0) by AzuiSleet [02] D-FENS (1.1) by Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [03] SourceMod (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [04] TF2 Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [05] BinTools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [06] SDK Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC Screenshot in case the list screws this up: http://www.voogru.com/images/fakeclients.jpg So yeah, I think this rules out the angry player scenario. DontWannaName, we weren't born yesterday. So please don't insult the intelligence of the people on the list by lying to them when you are having issues. Lying to players (via fakeclients) is a dumb idea, lying to a bunch of experienced server operators is a really dumb idea. - voogru -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed and could have been added by some angry player which is why they are flawed. Whether my server use has decreased or not, servers are not showing on the list. It is uncofirmed if this could be an issue with Valve's master server itself but I have my doubts a bug would occur there. This is a screenshot just a few seconds ago. I have selected US West as location and not password protected. http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/DontWannaName123/bug-3.png On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Don Williams d...@precdata.com wrote: I see 2 of my 3 servers in that list.. I've noticed too the same thing with my other server. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted It wouldn't take much to delist every single West Coast server, I'm sure it would be more than possible to do it with a simple 10mbit box. For instance at one point I was able to view my server in the server browser just fine, now my test server is well... Unknown to the masses, than again this only started happening a couple weeks ago. I just checked now and I still don't see it. This is however most likely unrelated to your issue DWN. My steam server list: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5486/listf.jpg Kyle. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig H robolea
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
I never said I didnt have it loaded. Sure its there but I dont use it, if I were to run fake clients dont you think I would hand L duke or perhaps Pred a few bucks. Try not to get off topic, this thread isnt just about me its about how the west coast is being delisted. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: DontWannaName, Is 68.68.32.217:27015 is one of your servers? nslookup 68.68.32.217 Server: home Address: 192.168.1.254 Name:TopNotchClan.com Address: 68.68.32.217 I dont know why people think I run fake clients The output of meta list on your server seems to declare otherwise. I included the status to show it's your server (and included a screenshot). So this statement you just made to the list is verifiably false. hostname: (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH [HLSTATSX] version : 1.0.8.2/15 4105 secure udp/ip : 68.68.32.217:27015 map : pl_goldrush at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z players : 23 (32 max) # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 656 Mace STEAM_0:1:17067890 04:47 104 0 active # 652 (604) EmpTy.ws STEAM_0:0:14413027 08:11 71 0 active # 640 Emperor Norton STEAM_0:0:18677953 23:31 55 0 active # 619 Hamburglar STEAM_0:0:24508093 1:13:16 46 0 active # 644 (-TN-) duncan db STEAM_0:0:6646078 14:54 52 0 active # 657 Adiuvo STEAM_0:0:24559447 04:28 52 0 active # 621 prophet /̵͇̿/'̿-̅- STEAM_0:1:346214 1:04:04 48 0 active # 622 Necron99 STEAM_0:0:11138643 1:02:51 69 0 active # 630 a# - Auburn STEAM_0:0:19899268 42:10 92 0 active # 654 Do Not Feed The Trolls STEAM_0:0:25091821 06:23 142 0 active # 655 Graham STEAM_0:0:1264864 05:10 49 0 active # 632 Harusame Mizukishi STEAM_0:1:27360078 39:36 78 0 active # 633 (-TN-) the stig STEAM_0:1:10849346 37:29 67 0 active # 642 Stig-a-holic STEAM_0:1:5511593 22:15 81 0 active # 647 JOEx213 STEAM_0:0:15905280 13:27 58 0 active # 658 Spicychicken STEAM_0:1:6391583 02:40 79 0 active # 649 The Turbinator STEAM_0:1:18998315 12:25 247 0 active # 650 spasm STEAM_0:0:27043313 12:10 87 0 active # 651 .Monkey STEAM_0:1:20832704 11:57 175 0 active # 659 Boni STEAM_0:0:17026514 01:47 152 0 active # 660 pisssant STEAM_0:0:298430 00:51 73 0 active Mace killed (604) EmpTy.ws with sniperrifle. (crit) ] meta list [01] FAKE CLIENTS Plugin (1.0.0.0) by AzuiSleet [02] D-FENS (1.1) by Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [03] SourceMod (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [04] TF2 Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [05] BinTools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [06] SDK Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC Screenshot in case the list screws this up: http://www.voogru.com/images/fakeclients.jpg So yeah, I think this rules out the angry player scenario. DontWannaName, we weren't born yesterday. So please don't insult the intelligence of the people on the list by lying to them when you are having issues. Lying to players (via fakeclients) is a dumb idea, lying to a bunch of experienced server operators is a really dumb idea. - voogru -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed and could have been added by some angry player which is why they are flawed. Whether my server use has decreased or not, servers are not showing on the list. It is uncofirmed if this could be an issue with Valve's master server itself but I have my doubts a bug would occur there. This is a screenshot just a few seconds ago. I have selected US West as location and not password protected. http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/DontWannaName123/bug-3.png On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Don Williams d...@precdata.com wrote: I see 2 of my 3 servers in that list.. I've noticed too the same thing with my other server. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted It wouldn't take much to delist every single West Coast server, I'm sure it would be more than possible to do it with a simple 10mbit box. For instance at one point I was able to view my server in the server browser just fine, now my test server is well... Unknown to the masses, than again this only started happening a couple weeks ago. I just checked now and I still don't see it. This is however most likely unrelated to your issue DWN. My steam server list: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5486/listf.jpg Kyle. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad
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That one burns more then it did after I had sex with that tranny prostitute named Joe. On 2/4/2010 7:02 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: DontWannaName, Is 68.68.32.217:27015 is one of your servers? nslookup 68.68.32.217 Server: home Address: 192.168.1.254 Name:TopNotchClan.com Address: 68.68.32.217 I dont know why people think I run fake clients The output of meta list on your server seems to declare otherwise. I included the status to show it's your server (and included a screenshot). So this statement you just made to the list is verifiably false. hostname: (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH [HLSTATSX] version : 1.0.8.2/15 4105 secure udp/ip : 68.68.32.217:27015 map : pl_goldrush at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z players : 23 (32 max) # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 656 Mace STEAM_0:1:17067890 04:47 104 0 active # 652 (604) EmpTy.ws STEAM_0:0:14413027 08:11 71 0 active # 640 Emperor Norton STEAM_0:0:18677953 23:31 55 0 active # 619 Hamburglar STEAM_0:0:24508093 1:13:16 46 0 active # 644 (-TN-) duncan db STEAM_0:0:6646078 14:54 52 0 active # 657 Adiuvo STEAM_0:0:24559447 04:28 52 0 active # 621 prophet /̵͇̿/'̿-̅- STEAM_0:1:346214 1:04:04 48 0 active # 622 Necron99 STEAM_0:0:11138643 1:02:51 69 0 active # 630 a# - Auburn STEAM_0:0:19899268 42:10 92 0 active # 654 Do Not Feed The Trolls STEAM_0:0:25091821 06:23 142 0 active # 655 Graham STEAM_0:0:1264864 05:10 49 0 active # 632 Harusame Mizukishi STEAM_0:1:27360078 39:36 78 0 active # 633 (-TN-) the stig STEAM_0:1:10849346 37:29 67 0 active # 642 Stig-a-holic STEAM_0:1:5511593 22:15 81 0 active # 647 JOEx213 STEAM_0:0:15905280 13:27 58 0 active # 658 Spicychicken STEAM_0:1:6391583 02:40 79 0 active # 649 The Turbinator STEAM_0:1:18998315 12:25 247 0 active # 650 spasm STEAM_0:0:27043313 12:10 87 0 active # 651 .Monkey STEAM_0:1:20832704 11:57 175 0 active # 659 Boni STEAM_0:0:17026514 01:47 152 0 active # 660 pisssant STEAM_0:0:298430 00:51 73 0 active Mace killed (604) EmpTy.ws with sniperrifle. (crit) ] meta list [01] FAKE CLIENTS Plugin (1.0.0.0) by AzuiSleet [02] D-FENS (1.1) by Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [03] SourceMod (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [04] TF2 Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [05] BinTools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [06] SDK Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC Screenshot in case the list screws this up: http://www.voogru.com/images/fakeclients.jpg So yeah, I think this rules out the angry player scenario. DontWannaName, we weren't born yesterday. So please don't insult the intelligence of the people on the list by lying to them when you are having issues. Lying to players (via fakeclients) is a dumb idea, lying to a bunch of experienced server operators is a really dumb idea. - voogru -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed and could have been added by some angry player which is why they are flawed. Whether my server use has decreased or not, servers are not showing on the list. It is uncofirmed if this could be an issue with Valve's master server itself but I have my doubts a bug would occur there. This is a screenshot just a few seconds ago. I have selected US West as location and not password protected. http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/DontWannaName123/bug-3.png On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Don Williamsd...@precdata.com wrote: I see 2 of my 3 servers in that list.. I've noticed too the same thing with my other server. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted It wouldn't take much to delist every single West Coast server, I'm sure it would be more than possible to do it with a simple 10mbit box. For instance at one point I was able to view my server in the server browser just fine, now my test server is well... Unknown to the masses, than again this only started happening a couple weeks ago. I just checked now and I still don't see it. This is however most likely unrelated to your issue DWN. My steam server list: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5486/listf.jpg Kyle. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: That is completely different. This has been going on for a month now. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig Hrobolea...@gmail.com wrote: I almost forgot! Valve is going
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
We seem to be doing fine. We're Seattle based and still show up on all server lists. Thing is, we're showing up on this amateur blacklist: http://tf2stats.net/fake_players/ I talked with some other server operators on that list, that like us, don't use fake clients. It seems that list is picking up on the use of bots. We loaded some bots on our server for a few nights after they were released; usually bots vs humans. Good fun, but we grew bored of them and went back to our almost vanilla server. This list however seems to be more accurate: http://tf2app.com/blacklist/servers.php In the end players shouldn't rely on anything but themselves through trial error and Valve to filter out bad servers. The top notch clan cleary has some suspect things going on, so it's not surprising they're having issues. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Maybe West Coast has high tendency of loading fake player. I think you should unload it and ask them (whoever is responsible for the blacklist) to take your servers off the list. Although I think it would be fair only if the servers stayed on blacklist forever and had to change their IPs. Oh wait.. It's still not fair! I'm sorry if you never used fake player on your servers though. That would suck. :( On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM, adam spurgin adam.spur...@gmail.com wrote: like i posted above, i'm also getting around 180. my server doesn't want to show up, but it hasn't been up for very long. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:31 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am getting 180 now too, as I said it comes and goes and it isnt like when you refresh the list a bunch of times and see different servers every time. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting ~186 per refresh. Are you sure your internet at home isn't messing up? I used to have that issue when I had Steam set to a very high rate and the modem/router couldn't handle the traffic of a mass burst. Now that I've upgraded to a decent router and bridged the modem I no longer have that issue, but you could try setting your Steam to 56k and see what happens. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Violent Crimes violentcri...@convictgaming.com wrote: That one burns more then it did after I had sex with that tranny prostitute named Joe. On 2/4/2010 7:02 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: DontWannaName, Is 68.68.32.217:27015 is one of your servers? nslookup 68.68.32.217 Server: home Address: 192.168.1.254 Name:TopNotchClan.com Address: 68.68.32.217 I dont know why people think I run fake clients The output of meta list on your server seems to declare otherwise. I included the status to show it's your server (and included a screenshot). So this statement you just made to the list is verifiably false. hostname: (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH [HLSTATSX] version : 1.0.8.2/15 4105 secure udp/ip : 68.68.32.217:27015 map : pl_goldrush at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z players : 23 (32 max) # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 656 Mace STEAM_0:1:17067890 04:47 104 0 active # 652 (604) EmpTy.ws STEAM_0:0:14413027 08:11 71 0 active # 640 Emperor Norton STEAM_0:0:18677953 23:31 55 0 active # 619 Hamburglar STEAM_0:0:24508093 1:13:16 46 0 active # 644 (-TN-) duncan db STEAM_0:0:6646078 14:54 52 0 active # 657 Adiuvo STEAM_0:0:24559447 04:28 52 0 active # 621 prophet /̵͇̿/'̿-̅- STEAM_0:1:346214 1:04:04 48 0 active # 622 Necron99 STEAM_0:0:11138643 1:02:51 69 0 active # 630 a# - Auburn STEAM_0:0:19899268 42:10 92 0 active # 654 Do Not Feed The Trolls STEAM_0:0:25091821 06:23 142 0 active # 655 Graham STEAM_0:0:1264864 05:10 49 0 active # 632 Harusame Mizukishi STEAM_0:1:27360078 39:36 78 0 active # 633 (-TN-) the stig STEAM_0:1:10849346 37:29 67 0 active # 642 Stig-a-holic STEAM_0:1:5511593 22:15 81 0 active # 647 JOEx213 STEAM_0:0:15905280 13:27 58 0 active # 658 Spicychicken STEAM_0:1:6391583 02:40 79 0 active # 649 The Turbinator STEAM_0:1:18998315 12:25 247 0 active # 650 spasm STEAM_0:0:27043313 12:10 87 0 active # 651 .Monkey STEAM_0:1:20832704 11:57 175 0 active # 659 Boni STEAM_0:0:17026514 01:47 152 0 active # 660 pisssant STEAM_0:0:298430 00:51 73 0 active Mace killed (604) EmpTy.ws with sniperrifle. (crit) ] meta list [01] FAKE CLIENTS Plugin (1.0.0.0) by AzuiSleet [02] D-FENS (1.1) by Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [03] SourceMod (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [04] TF2 Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [05] BinTools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [06] SDK Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC Screenshot in case the list screws this up: http://www.voogru.com/images/fakeclients.jpg So yeah, I think this rules out the angry player scenario. DontWannaName, we weren't born yesterday. So please don't insult the intelligence of the people on the list by lying to them when you are having issues. Lying to players (via fakeclients) is a dumb idea, lying to a bunch of experienced server operators is a really dumb idea. - voogru -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
Try again later. Its sporadic. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:35 PM, adam spurgin adam.spur...@gmail.com wrote: like i posted above, i'm also getting around 180. my server doesn't want to show up, but it hasn't been up for very long. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:31 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am getting 180 now too, as I said it comes and goes and it isnt like when you refresh the list a bunch of times and see different servers every time. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting ~186 per refresh. Are you sure your internet at home isn't messing up? I used to have that issue when I had Steam set to a very high rate and the modem/router couldn't handle the traffic of a mass burst. Now that I've upgraded to a decent router and bridged the modem I no longer have that issue, but you could try setting your Steam to 56k and see what happens. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Violent Crimes violentcri...@convictgaming.com wrote: That one burns more then it did after I had sex with that tranny prostitute named Joe. On 2/4/2010 7:02 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: DontWannaName, Is 68.68.32.217:27015 is one of your servers? nslookup 68.68.32.217 Server: home Address: 192.168.1.254 Name:TopNotchClan.com Address: 68.68.32.217 I dont know why people think I run fake clients The output of meta list on your server seems to declare otherwise. I included the status to show it's your server (and included a screenshot). So this statement you just made to the list is verifiably false. hostname: (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH [HLSTATSX] version : 1.0.8.2/15 4105 secure udp/ip : 68.68.32.217:27015 map : pl_goldrush at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z players : 23 (32 max) # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 656 Mace STEAM_0:1:17067890 04:47 104 0 active # 652 (604) EmpTy.ws STEAM_0:0:14413027 08:11 71 0 active # 640 Emperor Norton STEAM_0:0:18677953 23:31 55 0 active # 619 Hamburglar STEAM_0:0:24508093 1:13:16 46 0 active # 644 (-TN-) duncan db STEAM_0:0:6646078 14:54 52 0 active # 657 Adiuvo STEAM_0:0:24559447 04:28 52 0 active # 621 prophet /̵͇̿/'̿-̅- STEAM_0:1:346214 1:04:04 48 0 active # 622 Necron99 STEAM_0:0:11138643 1:02:51 69 0 active # 630 a# - Auburn STEAM_0:0:19899268 42:10 92 0 active # 654 Do Not Feed The Trolls STEAM_0:0:25091821 06:23 142 0 active # 655 Graham STEAM_0:0:1264864 05:10 49 0 active # 632 Harusame Mizukishi STEAM_0:1:27360078 39:36 78 0 active # 633 (-TN-) the stig STEAM_0:1:10849346 37:29 67 0 active # 642 Stig-a-holic STEAM_0:1:5511593 22:15 81 0 active # 647 JOEx213 STEAM_0:0:15905280 13:27 58 0 active # 658 Spicychicken STEAM_0:1:6391583 02:40 79 0 active # 649 The Turbinator STEAM_0:1:18998315 12:25 247 0 active # 650 spasm STEAM_0:0:27043313 12:10 87 0 active # 651 .Monkey STEAM_0:1:20832704 11:57 175 0 active # 659 Boni STEAM_0:0:17026514 01:47 152 0 active # 660 pisssant STEAM_0:0:298430 00:51 73 0 active Mace killed (604) EmpTy.ws with sniperrifle. (crit) ] meta list [01] FAKE CLIENTS Plugin (1.0.0.0) by AzuiSleet [02] D-FENS (1.1) by Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [03] SourceMod (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [04] TF2 Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [05] BinTools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [06] SDK Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC Screenshot in case the list screws this up: http://www.voogru.com/images/fakeclients.jpg So yeah, I think this rules out the angry player scenario. DontWannaName, we weren't born yesterday. So please don't insult the intelligence of the people on the list by lying to them when you are having issues. Lying to players (via fakeclients) is a dumb idea, lying to a bunch of experienced server operators is a really dumb idea. - voogru -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed and could have been added by some angry player which is why they are flawed. Whether my server use has decreased or not, servers are not showing on the list. It is uncofirmed if this could be an issue with Valve's master server itself but I have my doubts a bug would occur there. This is a screenshot just a few seconds ago. I have
Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted
Hmm, you're right. I just saw it. Started at about ~28. Refreshed twice, 30-38 Refreshed again, 48. Again, 60. Again, 10. Interesting. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: Try again later. Its sporadic. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:35 PM, adam spurgin adam.spur...@gmail.com wrote: like i posted above, i'm also getting around 180. my server doesn't want to show up, but it hasn't been up for very long. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:31 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: I am getting 180 now too, as I said it comes and goes and it isnt like when you refresh the list a bunch of times and see different servers every time. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting ~186 per refresh. Are you sure your internet at home isn't messing up? I used to have that issue when I had Steam set to a very high rate and the modem/router couldn't handle the traffic of a mass burst. Now that I've upgraded to a decent router and bridged the modem I no longer have that issue, but you could try setting your Steam to 56k and see what happens. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Violent Crimes violentcri...@convictgaming.com wrote: That one burns more then it did after I had sex with that tranny prostitute named Joe. On 2/4/2010 7:02 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: DontWannaName, Is 68.68.32.217:27015 is one of your servers? nslookup 68.68.32.217 Server: home Address: 192.168.1.254 Name:TopNotchClan.com Address: 68.68.32.217 I dont know why people think I run fake clients The output of meta list on your server seems to declare otherwise. I included the status to show it's your server (and included a screenshot). So this statement you just made to the list is verifiably false. hostname: (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH [HLSTATSX] version : 1.0.8.2/15 4105 secure udp/ip : 68.68.32.217:27015 map : pl_goldrush at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z players : 23 (32 max) # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 656 Mace STEAM_0:1:17067890 04:47 104 0 active # 652 (604) EmpTy.ws STEAM_0:0:14413027 08:11 71 0 active # 640 Emperor Norton STEAM_0:0:18677953 23:31 55 0 active # 619 Hamburglar STEAM_0:0:24508093 1:13:16 46 0 active # 644 (-TN-) duncan db STEAM_0:0:6646078 14:54 52 0 active # 657 Adiuvo STEAM_0:0:24559447 04:28 52 0 active # 621 prophet /̵͇̿/'̿-̅- STEAM_0:1:346214 1:04:04 48 0 active # 622 Necron99 STEAM_0:0:11138643 1:02:51 69 0 active # 630 a# - Auburn STEAM_0:0:19899268 42:10 92 0 active # 654 Do Not Feed The Trolls STEAM_0:0:25091821 06:23 142 0 active # 655 Graham STEAM_0:0:1264864 05:10 49 0 active # 632 Harusame Mizukishi STEAM_0:1:27360078 39:36 78 0 active # 633 (-TN-) the stig STEAM_0:1:10849346 37:29 67 0 active # 642 Stig-a-holic STEAM_0:1:5511593 22:15 81 0 active # 647 JOEx213 STEAM_0:0:15905280 13:27 58 0 active # 658 Spicychicken STEAM_0:1:6391583 02:40 79 0 active # 649 The Turbinator STEAM_0:1:18998315 12:25 247 0 active # 650 spasm STEAM_0:0:27043313 12:10 87 0 active # 651 .Monkey STEAM_0:1:20832704 11:57 175 0 active # 659 Boni STEAM_0:0:17026514 01:47 152 0 active # 660 pisssant STEAM_0:0:298430 00:51 73 0 active Mace killed (604) EmpTy.ws with sniperrifle. (crit) ] meta list [01] FAKE CLIENTS Plugin (1.0.0.0) by AzuiSleet [02] D-FENS (1.1) by Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [03] SourceMod (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [04] TF2 Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [05] BinTools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [06] SDK Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC Screenshot in case the list screws this up: http://www.voogru.com/images/fakeclients.jpg So yeah, I think this rules out the angry player scenario. DontWannaName, we weren't born yesterday. So please don't insult the intelligence of the people on the list by lying to them when you are having issues. Lying to players (via fakeclients) is a dumb idea, lying to a bunch of experienced server operators is a really dumb idea. - voogru -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed and could have been added
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If it makes you feel better I have taken it off but that is not what is causing the random delisting. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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More fun... I've been refreshing with the settings: US - West TF2 Not passworded And I'm getting between 186 and 191 servers all the time... Are you sure you guys don't have a program like Peer Guardian or some similar that's blocking 'suspect' IP addresses? I know some blocks will get added via that sometimes. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:49 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted Hmm, you're right. I just saw it. Started at about ~28. Refreshed twice, 30-38 Refreshed again, 48. Again, 60. Again, 10. Interesting. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I dont have anything like that. This just happens frequently but not always so its hard to notice. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Katie h...@fansubber.com wrote: More fun... I've been refreshing with the settings: US - West TF2 Not passworded And I'm getting between 186 and 191 servers all the time... Are you sure you guys don't have a program like Peer Guardian or some similar that's blocking 'suspect' IP addresses? I know some blocks will get added via that sometimes. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:49 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted Hmm, you're right. I just saw it. Started at about ~28. Refreshed twice, 30-38 Refreshed again, 48. Again, 60. Again, 10. Interesting. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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DontWannaName!, You should remove the plugin before Valve delists when it sees it loaded. I know I was pointing my gun at you, but I was not going to shoot Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:14 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I never said I didnt have it loaded. Sure its there but I dont use it, if I were to run fake clients dont you think I would hand L duke or perhaps Pred a few bucks. Try not to get off topic, this thread isnt just about me its about how the west coast is being delisted. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: DontWannaName, Is 68.68.32.217:27015 is one of your servers? nslookup 68.68.32.217 Server: home Address: 192.168.1.254 Name:TopNotchClan.com Address: 68.68.32.217 I dont know why people think I run fake clients The output of meta list on your server seems to declare otherwise. I included the status to show it's your server (and included a screenshot). So this statement you just made to the list is verifiably false. hostname: (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH [HLSTATSX] version : 1.0.8.2/15 4105 secure udp/ip : 68.68.32.217:27015 map : pl_goldrush at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z players : 23 (32 max) # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 656 Mace STEAM_0:1:17067890 04:47 104 0 active # 652 (604) EmpTy.ws STEAM_0:0:14413027 08:11 71 0 active # 640 Emperor Norton STEAM_0:0:18677953 23:31 55 0 active # 619 Hamburglar STEAM_0:0:24508093 1:13:16 46 0 active # 644 (-TN-) duncan db STEAM_0:0:6646078 14:54 52 0 active # 657 Adiuvo STEAM_0:0:24559447 04:28 52 0 active # 621 prophet /̵͇̿/'̿-̅- STEAM_0:1:346214 1:04:04 48 0 active # 622 Necron99 STEAM_0:0:11138643 1:02:51 69 0 active # 630 a# - Auburn STEAM_0:0:19899268 42:10 92 0 active # 654 Do Not Feed The Trolls STEAM_0:0:25091821 06:23 142 0 active # 655 Graham STEAM_0:0:1264864 05:10 49 0 active # 632 Harusame Mizukishi STEAM_0:1:27360078 39:36 78 0 active # 633 (-TN-) the stig STEAM_0:1:10849346 37:29 67 0 active # 642 Stig-a-holic STEAM_0:1:5511593 22:15 81 0 active # 647 JOEx213 STEAM_0:0:15905280 13:27 58 0 active # 658 Spicychicken STEAM_0:1:6391583 02:40 79 0 active # 649 The Turbinator STEAM_0:1:18998315 12:25 247 0 active # 650 spasm STEAM_0:0:27043313 12:10 87 0 active # 651 .Monkey STEAM_0:1:20832704 11:57 175 0 active # 659 Boni STEAM_0:0:17026514 01:47 152 0 active # 660 pisssant STEAM_0:0:298430 00:51 73 0 active Mace killed (604) EmpTy.ws with sniperrifle. (crit) ] meta list [01] FAKE CLIENTS Plugin (1.0.0.0) by AzuiSleet [02] D-FENS (1.1) by Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [03] SourceMod (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [04] TF2 Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [05] BinTools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC [06] SDK Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC Screenshot in case the list screws this up: http://www.voogru.com/images/fakeclients.jpg So yeah, I think this rules out the angry player scenario. DontWannaName, we weren't born yesterday. So please don't insult the intelligence of the people on the list by lying to them when you are having issues. Lying to players (via fakeclients) is a dumb idea, lying to a bunch of experienced server operators is a really dumb idea. - voogru -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black lists are all unconfirmed and could have been added by some angry player which is why they are flawed. Whether my server use has decreased or not, servers are not showing on the list. It is uncofirmed if this could be an issue with Valve's master server itself but I have my doubts a bug would occur there. This is a screenshot just a few seconds ago. I have selected US West as location and not password protected. http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/DontWannaName123/bug-3.png On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Don Williams d...@precdata.com wrote: I see 2 of my 3 servers in that list.. I've noticed too the same thing with my other server. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:46 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously Delisted It wouldn't take much to delist every single West Coast server, I'm sure it would
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Absolutely sure, never used PG or any other paranoia blocker. :) On Feb 4, 2010 7:47 PM, Katie h...@fansubber.com wrote: More fun... I've been refreshing with the settings: US - West TF2 Not passworded And I'm getting between 186 and 191 servers all the time... Are you sure you guys don't have a program like Peer Guardian or some similar that's blocking 'suspect' IP addresses? I know some blocks will get added via that sometimes. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valv... Hmm, you're right. I just saw it. Started at about ~28. Refreshed twice, 30-38 Refreshed again, 4... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Oops, I had Fake Clients running but none added . Kyle. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely sure, never used PG or any other paranoia blocker. :) On Feb 4, 2010 7:47 PM, Katie h...@fansubber.com wrote: More fun... I've been refreshing with the settings: US - West TF2 Not passworded And I'm getting between 186 and 191 servers all the time... Are you sure you guys don't have a program like Peer Guardian or some similar that's blocking 'suspect' IP addresses? I know some blocks will get added via that sometimes. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valv. .. Hmm, you're right. I just saw it. Started at about ~28. Refreshed twice, 30-38 Refreshed again, 4... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
