Re: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread ibm-main
Yes, I too though Tom was being a bit harsh. I have a customer that has just replaced all their disk with the latest kit. But no PAV ...:( Ours is not to reason why. Shane ... - Original Message - From: Craddock, Chris Tom Conley said; HTF do you buy an RVA without IXFP? snip

Re: JES2 from R4 to Z2 mode for z/OS 1.6

2005-07-06 Thread Max Scarpa
Hi all and thank you for your replies. Reading my post I realized I did a mistake, we have to activate new Checkpoint mode from R4 to z2 for new z/OS 1.7 (and NOT for z/OS 1.6) we'll install next year. Sam, I said I need a COLD restart because it's stated in IBM papers. Thanks Max Scarpa DB2

Re: HCD Token needed for Esoteric devices - Closed

2005-07-06 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Mike, Before HCD and IODFs the esoteric token was generated in the IOGEN implicitly. So the first esoteric was 1 sequentially. So if you changed the order of esoteric entries, the tokens changed and so maybe caused catalogued dataset access problems. When I turned on the tokens in my

Re: CA-DISK question

2005-07-06 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Lieven, I takes 4 - 5 hours to merge partially filled 3490's to 1 9840. The 9840 has a nominal (uncompressed) capacity of 20GB, I don't know the capacity of the 3590's. Merging from 3480 will require more (4x?) tapemounts, unless they are full, so processing time might be even more. You must

problem IKJEFTSR

2005-07-06 Thread Albertus Dwisulami
I got a problem : IKJEFTSR interface error Authorized program 'VRASPFLK'. Return code = 20. Reason code = 56. I have listed the library to APF and listed also in IKJTSOxx. Someone have any sugestion ...? Thanks for the attention.

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Richards.Bob
Dave, Your reply is wrong on so many levels that I don't know where to start. It is obvious to me that the topic of this thread *is not clear to you.* In the case of an ABEND or CICS close immediate situation, what information would you like Mark to write to the file? And where is this

Re: CA-DISK question

2005-07-06 Thread Neal Kostanski
Lieven, When I converted the 3480s to 3490Es using the CA-DISK MERGE utility, I would do 50 input tapes at a time. These tapes then went to one of five output tapes. The output tapes were grouped by how long the backup dataset was retained. Doing the conversion this way would took about 6-8 hours

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 7/6/2005 5:22:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the case of an ABEND or CICS close immediate situation, what information would you like Mark to write to the file? And where is this information supposed to come from? I think you are

tso ALLOCATE command and space allocation

2005-07-06 Thread Itschak Mugzach
A dataset is pre-allocated using the TSO allocate command using a Cylinders with primary allocation of cylinders and 333 secondary space with a list of volumes. When writing into the dataset in a separate step, I would expect that on the second volume, A primary allocation space will be

Re: tso ALLOCATE command and space allocation

2005-07-06 Thread John P Kalinich
DFSMS: Using Data Sets has the details. Using SMS, you can allocate data sets with the guaranteed space attribute, which sounds like what you want to do. Regards, John Kalinich Computer Sciences Corp

Re: Does z/OS 24 bit,31 bit or 64 bit addressing mode affect 1 byte is 8 bits?

2005-07-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Xie Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Does z/OS 24 bit,31 bit or 64 bit addressing mode affect 1 byte is 8 bits? Hi, UNIX98 standard ed

Re: RVA: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Bruce Black
Copy the data sets elsewhere and INITialize the volume using DSF. NO! That will make the problem no better and probably worse. If you do a minimal INIT (just VTOC), then the tracks for all the datasets that used to be on the volume will STILL be assigned in the back-store. If you do a

Re: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/5/2005 11:52:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: funds are somewhere south of the salesman's best price and management decides to buy less than half a solution... but what would we know? Missing something in the loop? Keep it running, keep

Re: RVA: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Bruce Black
What he could do is move all the datasets off a volume, then DELETE the volume from the RVA control panel (which releases the backstore), then redefine the volume and move datasets back. This could be very tedious. Just reread what I typed. Assuming that he moved the datasets to another

Re: HSM statistics

2005-07-06 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:51:36 +0800, Ron and Jenny Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] CABLE.COM wrote: Seeing as the dataset is opened, wouldn't there be a type 42-6 record for it that is not just using the relative concat id? Good thought, but no go. I just ran a test and not even the STEPLIB that my

Re: Rename VSAM Cluster and its components

2005-07-06 Thread Wong, Dorothy
When I have a lot of VSAM files to rename, I use DFDSS to do the rename with filtering, here is an example //S02 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,REGION=6000K,TIME=95 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=A //SYSIN DD *

Re: Questions from someone coming from a plain vanilla environment

2005-07-06 Thread Steve Comstock
John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote: Webshpere is IBM term for their family of middleware. If you mean Websphere Application Server, it is IBM's J2EE application server. Out of the box you can't use Websphere as a DNS server or a DHCP server, but you can use it as a Web server. Technically I think

Re: 25% Pageds utilization on 3390-09?

2005-07-06 Thread Greg Dyck
The following ROT are still reasonable- - Individual local page datasets should not exceed 30% (or 25% if you choose) utilization because the contigious slot allocation algorithm becomes inefficient/unsuccessful for that dataset. The utilization% at a total paging subsystem level is irrelevent

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
I never even envisioned automated tools looking at VSAM stats. My ASSumption when reading Mark's posts was that he was referring to individual programmers looking at individual VSAM file stats for guidance. My experience is obviously severely limited in this regard, as in my varied positions

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
See my earlier reply to Mr. Richards for the ASSumptions behind that statement. Peter -Original Message- From: Ted MacNEIL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus ... Just because they are

Re: Can anyone tell me about Trident Systems product..

2005-07-06 Thread Staller, Allan
snip Is anyone out there using or did use OS/EM from Trident Data Systems? Did it save your company money? Easy to use? etc.. /snip Great product, but IMHO, not worht the expense. IBM provides native code to perform 95% plus of the OS/EM functionality, at no extra expense. At one time, this was

Re: problem IKJEFTSR

2005-07-06 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
Where is the library containing VRASPFLK located? LPA? Linklist? STEPLIB? ISPLLIB? LIBDEFed? TSOLIBed? Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albertus Dwisulami Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:00 AM To:

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Mark Thomen
Dave Juraschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... ... CICS close immediate situation This really is a red herring. The CICS CEMT PERFORM SHUT IMMEDIATE is completely IBM code. This is an example of where this is absolutely not a user/application/customer problem.

Re: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread David Andrews
From: caleb ong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: RVA: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP We have a RVA with NCL nearing 85%. We don't have IXFP. We are trying to free up space to bring down the NCL. Without

Re: Questions from someone coming from a plain vanilla environmen t

2005-07-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Comstock [ snip ] Can someone tell me why I never saw the post below? I get the feeling I have some setting such that I'm missing some of the posts on ibm-main. If you get your IBM-MAIN via email, you

Re: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread David Andrews
Arghhh, following up on my own post. Bad form as usual. On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 11:16 -0400, David Andrews wrote: From: caleb ong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RVA: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP Caleb, you should post to the list rather than the newsgroup. Whoops. I see

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 06:57:38 EDT, Bill Fairchild wrote: In a message dated 7/6/2005 5:22:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Bob Richards writes: In the case of an ABEND or CICS close immediate situation, what information would you like Mark to write to the file? And where is this information

Re: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Steve Bui
You could try to bring the partition down (deactivate it). We used to run linux/390 on a partition, and it doesn't have any IXFP, so our STK CE told us to bring the partition down once a week for the SVA to free up deleted stuff. SteveBui -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/6/2005 10:26:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: invalid data? If your checking statement said you had $3,127.47 but next to it in parentheses it said (but this amount is invalid), would you go out and try to spend the money? No, I think you'd be

Re: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Knutson, Sam
I think you really need to get SVAA ASAP. http://www.stortek.com/products/category_page2011.html Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 If

Re: Does z/OS 24 bit,31 bit or 64 bit addressing mode affect 1

2005-07-06 Thread Ray Mullins
The Honeywell Series 6000 boxes - taken from GE design, IIRC - had 36-bit addressable words, that could be interpreted as 6 6-bit BCD characters or 4 9-bit ASCII characters. Decades ago, I wrote some GMAP (was that the assembler, or am I thinking of Prime Computer's PRIMOS assembler?) routines

Re: RVA: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Bruce Black wrote: Copy the data sets elsewhere and INITialize the volume using DSF. NO! That will make the problem no better and probably worse. If you do a minimal INIT (just VTOC), then the tracks for all the datasets that used to be on the volume will STILL be assigned in the

Re: RVA: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
We've still got one and it is definitely the IXFP software that frees up the backend storage when doing a pack init. Rex -Original Message- From: Edward E. Jaffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RVA: How to free up

destructive overlap

2005-07-06 Thread Greg Smith
I am trying to figure out precisely what is destructive overlap. Does destructive overlap imply nonconcurrent copy (and vice versa)? For example: ds 0d a ds 12x b ds 16x mvc a(16),b Here is an overlap but it is non-destructive. I would assume the copy is concurrent? But if I code

Re: RVA: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Thomas Conley
Bruce, Duh, must have been seriously sleep deprived when I agreed with this madness. You are correct, of course. I was probably still in shock that anyone would have an RVA without IXFP. That's like running a car on rims. Nice catch. Tom - Original Message - From: Bruce Black

Has VSAM become synonymous with KSDS?

2005-07-06 Thread Howard Brazee
On 6-Jul-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Thomen) wrote: VSAM is a particularly complex access method, much more so than the others. Is VSAM these days pretty much synonymous with KSDS? At one time, I worked in a shop where I converted all of our Univac 9030 data to IBM, and made everything

Re: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: Re: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP One way to free up space on your RVA without IXFP is to fill up your volumes with

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread McKown, John
You want good stats to base things such as REORGs on? Go to DB2. And pay for it. Only in FOSS will you get something for free (either Libre or Gratis). And, in FOSS, if you don't like it, you can fix it yourself. If you don't have the talent to fix it yourself, then either: (1) nicely ask the

Re: problem IKJEFTSR

2005-07-06 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:00 AM Subject: problem IKJEFTSR I got a problem : IKJEFTSR interface error Authorized program 'VRASPFLK'. Return code = 20. Reason

Re: Has VSAM become synonymous with KSDS?

2005-07-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 7/6/2005 11:35:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, in some shops, VSAM is obsolete altogether (except for databases that use VSAM that programmers don't see). VSAM's being obsolete is like saying TSO is obsolete. VSAM has been the

Re: Has VSAM become synonymous with KSDS?

2005-07-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Well, not everywhere. RRDS/ESDS in my experience are still actively used, especially where database complexity would be a performance drawback instead of an advantage. Not *every* business transaction requires a database. KISS is still a good design principle. Peter -Original Message-

Re: destructive overlap

2005-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Greg Smith said: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:26:01 -0400 ds 0d a ds 12x b ds 16x But if I code mvc b(16),a the overlap is destructive (ie b won't necessarily be an exact copy of a). Would a concurrent copy occur? (in this case, a concurrent copy could

Re: Has VSAM become synonymous with KSDS?

2005-07-06 Thread Steve Arnett
DB2 is also loaded into VSAM datasets. Also, don't forget the linear datasets used by the OS. Bill Fairchild wrote: In a message dated 7/6/2005 11:35:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, in some shops, VSAM is obsolete altogether (except for databases

Re: destructive overlap

2005-07-06 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin [ snip ] No. I believe the destructive character of the overlap has long been part of the specification of MVC. In particular, programmers of old were accustomed to blanking out a buffer with:

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - From: Mark Thomen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus Had I worked in VSAM for 30+ years I'd have made this change a long time ago and this issue would never

Re: destructive overlap

2005-07-06 Thread Steve Arnett
Don't forget the all time favorite method for clearing a print buffer: MVI PBUF,C' ' MVC PBUF+1(132),PBUF PBUF DS CL133 I have never heard of it being called a destructive overlap before. I have always herad it called a destructive move. Fought a bug in a CICS COBOL program for

Re: Does z/OS 24 bit,31 bit or 64 bit addressing mode affect 1

2005-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... Decades ago, I wrote some GMAP ... General Macro Assembly Program(me). I learned on a Level 66, running GCOS-8. It had just had its name changed from GECOS, after Honeywell bought General Electric's computer division -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! --Deming

Re: destructive overlap

2005-07-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Chase, John said: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:51:50 -0500 MVI C' ',A Hmmm Is it really true that Lysdexics have more nuf? :-) Have you heard about the man who was insomniac, agnostic and dyslexic? MVC A+1(L'A'-1),A I once astonished Ed Jaffe (or

VSAM KSDSs: To Reorg or not to Reorg

2005-07-06 Thread Ron Ferguson
Hello listserv members, Mark Thomen really hit my hot button on his last response: Ask Ron Ferguson who preaches don't reorg based on split counts, or check out the VSAM Demystified Redbook. Or do your own studies. Which is better - downtime for a major application, or reorging a file

Re: Has VSAM become synonymous with KSDS?

2005-07-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:34:54 GMT Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :On 6-Jul-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Thomen) wrote: : VSAM is a particularly complex access method, much more so than the others. :Is VSAM these days pretty much synonymous with KSDS? :At one time, I worked in a shop

Re: destructive overlap

2005-07-06 Thread Steve Arnett
Thanks for the info. I will keep that in mind for future reference. Paul Gilmartin wrote: I once astonished Ed Jaffe (or was it Bruce Black) by stating that I don't write assembler code (or was it that I don't read dumps). Every now and again I feel the need to provide proof. And for Steve's

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 7/6/2005 12:56:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It doesn't take a weatherman to know which the wind is blowing. ...which WAY the wind is blowing. (Unless you were trying to imply no 'way' in your original sentence?) If we are going to

Re: destructive overlap

2005-07-06 Thread Greg Smith
Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note, Greg Smith said: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:26:01 -0400 ds 0d a ds 12x b ds 16x But if I code mvc b(16),a the overlap is destructive (ie b won't necessarily be an exact copy of a). Would a concurrent copy occur? (in this case, a

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Mark Thomen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:OFD38D43EF.26E4669D-ON85257036.005F128B-85257036.005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ok, I'll be the whipping boy. Why can't the Operating System be Enhanced to intercept the Abend and close the files. That's what module IFG0TC0A (IFG-gotcha) does.It is an

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 7/6/2005 2:51:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most of the VSAM control blocks are in user key. If these have been overlaid or incorrectly modified, writing this data to the catalog may BREAK THE DATA SET. The effects of breaking the data set

Re: destructive overlap

2005-07-06 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:02:22 -0500, Steve Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... And for Steve's doubts about destructive overlap: Ranked Search Results for Book: dz9zr003 z/Architecture Principles of Operation 10 topics have matches for: destructive overlap 1. MOVE LONG, 7.5.90 2.

Re: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:16:52 -0400, David Andrews wrote: One way to free up space on your RVA without IXFP is to fill up your volumes with large datasets containing binary zeros, then delete those datasets. The backend will still remember those tracks as they do without IXFP today, but they'll

Re: Has VSAM become synonymous with KSDS?

2005-07-06 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:56:49 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: Neither RRDS or ESDS have any particular advantage over BDAM (despite IBM calling it obsolete) or BSAM/QSAM. Hmm, you get VSAM statistics for RRDS and ESDS. Isn't that an advantage... g, d r Norbert Friemel

Re: RVA: How to free up space from deleted datasets wtihout IXFP

2005-07-06 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:20:39 -0700, Edward E. Jaffe wrote: Interesting. We no longer have an RVA, so I can't try anything. But I seem to remember the NCL going down when we reinitialized a volume. OTOH, we did run IXFP. That probably explains why we observed that phenomenon.

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... 1) One can always do one's own interval accounting by opening and closing the file periodically. ... I hope you are joking! -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! --Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus ... 1) One can always do one's own interval accounting by

Re: Has VSAM become synonymous with KSDS?

2005-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... have seen people referring to VSAM as IBM's ISAM ... That's like saying it's IBM's PDSE, z/OS, etc. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! --Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread john gilmore
Bill Fairchild writes: A Devil's Advocate might be tempted to say just because you don't ABEND does not mean that a user did not overlay or incorrectly modify VSAM control blocks that are in user key. How can you ever trust the stats? and there is of course a sense in which his argument

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Donald Pagdin
A Devil's Advocate might be tempted to say just because you don't ABEND does not mean that a user did not overlay or incorrectly modify VSAM control blocks that are in user key. How can you ever trust the stats? Bill Fairchild Note: CICS, recovering an application abend (via DTB) does not have

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... Who said IBM doesn't have a sense of humor? Thanks,Mark, that gave me the giggles. ... I verified this one years ago. I don't know if it's still true. The programme prefix for dfpSMS is IGD. Years ago, either the main module or an alias was IGDZILLA. “I, God-Zilla”. (8-{]} -teD In

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... Why? I've been known to do CLOSE TYPE=T on sequential datasets after processing n records. Of course, IIRC, it was a specialized application. Lost is the mists of pre-history, now. ... Open/Close processing is not cheap. Also, if you have (partial-)release on close, you can easily create a

Cobol Enterprise 3.4

2005-07-06 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
I'm working on my Cobol-Analyzer called COBANAL (www.cbttape.org file321). to support the newest Cobol-Compiler. Anybody running this version and is able to send me a load-module compiled with Enterprise Cobol V3.4 including a compile listing? Please contact me and I'll give you more details.

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Will this thread never end? Mark Thomen explained now several times the why and the current state of this issue. Please raise requirements if you relay on those statistics and explain the business case and also how did you handle this the last nn years in the past. I believe a lot of customers

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
... As for Alte-Leipziger I can say it's not issue for us. ... I couldn't find the meaning of that compound word. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! --Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
In a message dated 7/6/2005 4:24:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Devil's Advocate might be tempted to say just because you don't ABEND does not mean that a user did not overlay or incorrectly modify VSAM control blocks that are in user key. How can you ever

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Richards.Bob
Peter, Well, as long as we are bearing our sins, I must humbly admit that I have coded REXX to process the entire catalog structure based on LISTCAT output (then changed to CSI output) and then taken actions. The shame of it all. I have Ron F. to thank for showing me the error of my ways of

Collecting sysplex-wide WLM data

2005-07-06 Thread Rolf Ernst
Hey, I thought I'd throw this one up just in case (well, just in case): I am trying to collect Sysplex-wide WLM performance data, compare actual vs. desired. Unfortunately, or so it seems, WLM's IWMRCOLL macro only provides information for the system on which it is invoked on. The

WLM data collection

2005-07-06 Thread Rolf Ernst
(Sorry for the duplicate post - it showed up in the wrong thread). Hey, I thought I'd throw this one up just in case (well, just in case): I am trying to collect Sysplex-wide WLM performance data, compare actual vs. desired. Unfortunately, or so it seems, WLM's IWMRCOLL macro only provides

Re: Has VSAM become synonymous with KSDS?

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 6, 2005, at 3:30 PM, Norbert Friemel wrote: On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:56:49 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: Neither RRDS or ESDS have any particular advantage over BDAM (despite IBM calling it obsolete) or BSAM/QSAM. Hmm, you get VSAM statistics for RRDS and ESDS. Isn't that an

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:00 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: ... 1) One can always do one's own interval accounting by opening and closing the file periodically. ... I hope you are joking! Ted, Along similar lines we had a programmer close and open a vsam dataset after each search. I agree with you.

Re: problem IKJEFTSR

2005-07-06 Thread Albertus Dwisulami
STEPLIB ... Albertus SD --- Imbriale, Donald (Exchange) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the library containing VRASPFLK located? LPA? Linklist? STEPLIB? ISPLLIB? LIBDEFed? TSOLIBed? Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL

FW: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Tom, et al, I was just thinking... CICS aside, when a job ABENDS while updating a KSDS file, what is the most common thing that happens to allow the job to be rerun? Delete and restore the KSDS, right? So what good are the accumulated statistics at this point - valid or invalid? Well there worth

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/6/2005 6:52:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The penance for both of us is to write Invalid data is invalid data ten thousand times. Under ISPF EDIT, it should take us roughly ten seconds. vbg R10 Invalid data is invalid data rr rr

Re: Collecting sysplex-wide WLM data

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/6/2005 7:00:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anybody have any notable knowledge in this area? Thanks in advance. Cheryl even had the presence to market it as GoalTender. _www.watsonwalker.com_ (http://www.watsonwalker.com)

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Richards.Bob
Ed, You must be a typist. It took me 7 of the 10 to type the words! Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject:Re: IBM VSAM

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 6, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I never even envisioned automated tools looking at VSAM stats. My ASSumption when reading Mark's posts was that he was referring to individual programmers looking at individual VSAM file stats for guidance. My experience is obviously

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/6/2005 9:43:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You must be a typist. It took me 7 of the 10 to type the words! I'm decent, but was able to just cut and paste! Then I went and did a review of the Oracle Grid. Hmmm, wonder how in the world they

Re: IBM VSAM statistics are often bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Richards.Bob
John, I'll take your word on the automation coding time. For now, I off to search the Internet for the meaning of boustrophedon. grin Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005

Re: IBM VSAM statistics are often bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/6/2005 9:54:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: boustrophedon 'Hot air balloon' -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: IBM VSAM statistics are often bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Richards.Bob
Not quite! It is a writing style compare to an ox plowing a field where .noitcerid etisoppo eht ni seog dna snrut ylerem eh Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 6, 2005, at 9:48 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: --SNIP- I'm decent, but was able to just cut and paste! Then I went and did a review of the Oracle Grid. Hmmm, wonder how in the world they stay up forever with no abends and no catalogs??? Hmmm. Well, I am not a ORACLE

Re: Collecting sysplex-wide WLM data

2005-07-06 Thread Shane Ginnane
I have done some research and it would appear that this data is available by calling the RMF sysplex data server, quizzing SMF 72 subtype 3. Does anybody have any experience doing that? Any caveats? I had a play with extracting data from the Sysplex server a while back. Basically pretty

Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus

2005-07-06 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 07:36 -0500 on 07/06/2005, Chase, John wrote about Re: IBM VSAM Statistics are often Bogus: The fact remains that CEMT P SHUT I causes an ABNORMAL termination of CICS, as would the MVS CANCEL or FORCE command. The fact also remains that on a commanded ABNORMAL termination of (anything),