Gerhard
This is not your everyday stuff, I expect - from the perspective of 3270
data stream programming writing.
I may have known about the possibility to use Write Structured Field (WSF)
actually to set presentation space dimensions - and much more - once but I
have to confess to having
My humble opinion would be the following...
1. OS = Operating system i.e. Any part that operate the system
2. Function =
a) handle all requests from users / other systems... This implies that
any command thrown at it be it MVC or OI, is handled by the Operating
system.
b) notify users / other
Would it be correct to say that any piece that when removed would result in a
non-functional OS would then belong to the OS? I was thinking about JES.
Nothing works without JES, right?
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Hi Mark,
In respect of your VSAM close giving RC=4. I am not a VSAM expert so the
following may be off beam, but I remembered this quote from the Data Set Macros
Manual.
Requirement: If you are sharing subtasks or if you have issued an asynchronous
request for access to a data set, you must
Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) wrote:
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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:47 PM
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Subject: Re: JCL - Copy Tape
Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) wrote:
How did this tape get
On 8/28/2006 2:38 PM, Chase, John wrote:
From what is visible via CEDF, there aren't any errors from which to
recover -- until the EXEC CICS ENDBR command that doesn't exist in the
program under examination, and it appears arrival there was just blind
luck. Unfortunately I have no way of
This implies that any command thrown at it be it MVC or OI, is handled by
the Operating system.
Shirley, you can't be serious!
I'm not familiar with the MVC and OI commands, but if you're
referring to the MVC and OI instructions, these are handled
directly by the CPU. [1]
[1] other than for
On Monday, 08/28/2006 at 04:49 CST, Leif Rundberget
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
z/OS is not an OS. It is a bundle of packages put together and sold by
IBM as a product solution. The real OS in the bundle is still MVS clear
back to the 60s or is that 50's.
Must disagree, Leif. The MVS product
John,
Thanks for the info.
You're welcome.
Last favour to ask of you, you mention that you found the information in a
esupport website.
The URL is //http:supportconnect.ca.com
You will need to register with the site to get the documentation or other
good stuff. Once
there, you can setup to follow
So which part of Windows is the OS?
File handling
I/O
GUI
Obviously it's a sum of its parts, as is Z/OS, Z/VM, Linux, Unix...and so
on. If a component is removed and renders it useless. it would seem to be,
IMHO, that it is germane to the OS. Can you work without JES, or a like
function?
If a component is removed and renders it useless. it would seem to be, IMHO,
that it is germane to the OS.
That can be stretched quite a bit, even though I agree with the statement.
Can you use z/OS without TSO?
When in doubt.
PANIC!!
Not really, but you CAN get by without ISPF (even thought it would be
difficult).
Jon L. Veilleux
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To:
-- snip --
So which part of Windows is the OS?
File handling
I/O
GUI
-- snip --
The mOuSe. :-
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On Monday, 08/28/2006 at 03:43 AST, Thompson, Steve (SCI TW)
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Perhaps it all really is just an academic discussion, but I can't help
but think there should be a clear definition somewhere. Maybe I'll try
to Google a bit harder.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:16 AM
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Subject: Re: What part of z/OS is the OS?
Would it be correct to say that any piece that when removed
On Monday, 08/28/2006 at 07:49 ZW3, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't consider access methods to be part of the operating system?
Sure they are. They are controlling your access to the disk or tape.
Common services like DAIR and PARSE?
Packaging vs. Academics. If
OK, if MVS or an equivalent can be run without JES or TSO, even though
it's a RPITA, then would it be reasonable to postulate that the OS is the
Overall Supervisor and other pieces, like TSO or JES, are there as the
CBLFIA (Carbon Based Life Form Interactive Agents)?
Daniel McLaughlin
ZOS
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On 8/28/2006 2:38 PM, Chase, John wrote:
From what is visible via
On Tuesday, 08/29/2006 at 12:40 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If a component is removed and renders it useless. it would seem to be,
IMHO,
that it is germane to the OS.
That can be stretched quite a bit, even though I agree with the
statement.
Can you use z/OS without TSO?
In a message dated 8/29/2006 7:50:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've actually managed to run NET, TSO, and a TSO logon in the
MSTR subsystem. All without JES being up. Kids! Don't try this at home!
No, I don't remember all of the steps necessary. It was a royal
What would stop working if you removed TSO?
Oh, I think I see your point, though. You're thinking of TSO as an I/O device
rather than a development tool, yes? It's necessary because there are no more
card readers?
But the subsystem part of TSO is mostly VTAM isn't it? And IKJEFT01 is like
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:58 AM
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snip
Can you use z/OS without TSO?
Why, sure! E.g. my
If z/OS doesn't fit a traditional CS definition of a kernel, then what is it?
Does the BCP act as a micro or nano kernel with all other services sharing its
address space? Does the concept of rings or kernel address space even exist
on these machines?
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cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry...
If a component is removed and renders it useless. it would seem to
be, IMHO, that it is germane to the OS.
That can be stretched quite a bit, even though I agree with the
statement.
Can
IMHO it's time to submit a requirement for SLIP proceesing of program
objects. The stated requirement should be to provide a documented and
supported way of providing an offset within a csect
Unfortunately, there is no information maintained within the loaded module
or program object that
It would appear that usefulness is in the eye of the beholder. If CICS is
your main reason for running the OS and it's removed, the OS is not
incapacitated. To me dropping CICS is like removing the spare tire from
the trunk of your car. Your car still runs, but one of its pieces is
missing, in
John,
Om my z/OS 1.7 system, (which is not customized), I have both vi and vim
in /bin
The vim is version 6.3, which is the same as I run on my PC.
Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
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Not really, but you CAN get by without ISPF (even though it would be
difficult).
We tend to refer to the parts we deal intimately with by name,
e.g. TSO, ISPF, HLASM, VTAM, TCP/IP, JES2, SDSF, etc., etc.
Unless we are looking at some component in particular, we tend
to refer to everything else
John,
I don't think it is perverse at all. One should be able to do almost
everything from the shell. Why should I work in ISPF if I am more comfortable
with sh or bash? (We definitely need more ported editors, too.)
There is some sdsf thingy on the tools and toys page, if you didn't
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:11 AM
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Subject: Re: What part of z/OS is the OS?
John,
Om my z/OS 1.7 system, (which is not customized), I have
On Monday, 08/28/2006 at 07:49 ZW3, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would be, again classically, just BCP: the thing that holds the
SVCs.
Not all SVC's are in the BCP, and most of the BCP is not composed of
SVC's, at least not for MVS.
In a message dated
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:40:15 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you use z/OS without TSO?
Yes.
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But back to STL days for me: One of the problems that we had was that
IBM internally did NOT follow their own rules for SPLEVEL.
I cannot speak for development outside of Poughkeepsie. We have always
known our responsibility for compatibility. And yes we have screwed up
on occasion. I believe
Terry Sambrooks wrote:
Hi Mark,
In respect of your VSAM close giving RC=4. I am not a VSAM expert so the
following may be off beam, but I remembered this quote from the Data Set Macros
Manual.
Requirement: If you are sharing subtasks or if you have issued an asynchronous
request for access
I am not the expert in this area, but can relate what I know. We were a
very early adopter of Oracle on mainframe and UNIX.
We run both Oracle and DB2 on the mainframe and have many UNIX servers
running Oracle. For years, the only way to connect to the DB2 data
bases on the mainframe from
Someone said of Peter;
Perhaps you might want to re-think your attitude.
I have known Peter for a long time and have even occasionally had reason
to argue with him, but I don't think there is any reason at all to
attack his dedication - particularly with respect to maintaining
compatibility.
Thanks everyone who answered my question. This question was posed to me
in passsing. I also thought that a dupkey condition would be raised, and
to use the SORT/MERGE solution.
Again, thanks to all that responded.
P.S. Another JEOPARDY question. :-) What is the maximum number of
Alternate
Any updates from those who were impacted by this? IBM problem? CA
problem? Tuning opportunity? We have z/OS R7 on all but our largest
on-line systems and two CA7 test instances running fine but have not had
the chance to move the production CA7 to an R7 system. I hope to get
that done this
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snipage
Perhaps you might want to re-think your
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But back to STL days for me: One of the
Can you use z/OS without TSO?
Yes.
Comfortably?
Productively?
Do you really want to?
I can/have used Windows ( OS/2) without a mouse.
That doesn't mean I want to!
When in doubt.
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/29/2006
at 05:37 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Thus the default presentation space dimensions need *not* necessarily
always be 24 rows and 80 columns. It may only be a convention that
they are so limited, a convention established by the choice taken by
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/29/2006
at 06:46 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
What colour were the characters? If they were green I expect it was a
3277 Model 1. If they were orange it was a 2260.
My recollection is that the 2260 and every monochrome 3270 before the
3290 was green.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/29/2006
at 06:53 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I assume you mean the 3277 Model 1.
Yes. In fact, I had forgotten about the 3278-1 :-(
But I expect you have some suitable hardcopy to hand.
Indeed; had it been machine readable I would have done a
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/29/2006
at 04:39 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
As confirmed by Alan Altmark, PCOMM follows microcode 3270
implementations such as are described in 3174 Establishment
Controller, Functional Description, GA23-0218-11:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/29/2006
at 06:55 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Your reference mentions a 3277-3 shortly after the line you quoted.
Typo. Are you talking about text in the 3277 documentation, and, if
so, what page?
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/29/2006
at 04:48 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You took the quote for your second point out of context.
No. You forgot that there was an older generation of 3270's.
typically was added because the Query Reply
There didn't use to be a Query Reply; that
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 08/29/2006
at 09:09 AM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Unfortunately, there is no information maintained within the loaded
module or program object that understands CSECTs.
Yes, it would be necessary to go back to the original library for
those data.
Therefore
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it
over?
I like the 'parmlib nazi' approach. Simple, effective, approved by
auditors.
Make all changes via request rather than direct update. A skilled human
makes a better change control system anyway.
My $0.02
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Walt Farrell
On 8/28/2006 2:38 PM, Chase, John wrote:
From what is visible via CEDF, there aren't any errors from which to
recover -- until the EXEC CICS ENDBR command that doesn't exist in
the
program under
As long as the subject has been raised, does anyone know whether there are any
plans to port Ruby to run on z/OS?
Perl is in the Ported Tools product, right?
Jon
snip
I don't think it is perverse at all. One should be able to do almost
everything from the shell. Why should I work in
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/29/2006
at 12:29 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
In that case add it as port of the toleration service PTF Chain not
as a stand-alone PTF (ie: It only gets done as part of the toleration
service install).
That would complicate the service process
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/29/2006
at 08:21 AM, J R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm not familiar with the MVC and OI commands, but if you're
referring to the MVC and OI instructions, these are handled directly
by the CPU. [1]
Or simulated by the Licensed Internal Code.
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In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 08/29/2006
at 03:33 PM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I can/have used Windows ( OS/2) without a mouse.
I use OS/2 without a mouse. It's perfectly comfortable.
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ISO position; see
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 08/29/2006
at 08:55 AM, Kuredjian, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
If z/OS doesn't fit a traditional CS definition of a kernel, then
what is it?
If an airplane doesn't fit a traditional navigator's definition of a
boat, then what is it? z/OS is the most recent version
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 08/29/2006
at 08:50 AM, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Sure they are. They are controlling your access to the disk or tape.
Not really; they are using the same services that I could use. SAM
doesn't even use STARTIO, much less directly access the channel
Daniel A. McLaughlin([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:24:54AM -0400:
So which part of Windows is the OS?
File handling
I/O
GUI
Obviously it's a sum of its parts, as is Z/OS, Z/VM, Linux, Unix...and so
on. If a component is removed and renders it useless. it would seem to
Binyamin Dissen wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:04:34 -0500 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:Binyamin Dissen wrote:
: On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:14:19 -0500 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: :Binyamin Dissen wrote:
: : On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:55:35 -0500 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: : :Robert A.
Daniel A. McLaughlin([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:24:54AM -0400:
So which part of Windows is the OS?
File handling
I/O
GUI
Obviously it's a sum of its parts, as is Z/OS, Z/VM, Linux, Unix...and so
on. If a component is removed and renders it useless. it would seem to
snip
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their mainframe with a
Hi All,
I'm trying to put together our order for z/OS 1.7 before time runs out.
One thing that confuses me is the Enhanced ACIF pgm no 5655-M32. Does
anyone know if I don't put this in the order list will I still get ACIF?
The IBM partner that I'm working with could not get an answer from IBM.
I can't remember if this happens or not. On TSO, when you logon and your
password is about to expire, you get a message like:
ICH70002I YOUR PASSWORD WILL EXPIRE IN 1 DAYS.
Does the ftp server send out this message? Sorry, but I just don't
remember. And I just changed my password, so it will
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:32:15 -0500, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Finally, you should always report your problems (including performance
problems) to IBM service so that it will come to us directly. Our PL/I
service people can help you identify this type of performance
problem and
its
In a message dated 8/29/2006 10:48:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My recollection is that the 2260 and every monochrome 3270 before the
3290 was green.
Part of SHARE and IT in general is Human Factors. Ergonomics, color, tilt,
tactile feel, neutral hand and
It all becomes one big philosophical debate based upon where you sit. I've
worked on OS/MFT, OS/MVT, VS1, MVS/SP, ESA, XA, OS/390, and Z/OS.
The core functions have grown over the years, and the OS has gotten more
complex as things like 31 bit and 64 bit came along. What does your own
On 8/29/2006 2:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The core functions have grown over the years, and the OS has gotten more
complex as things like 31 bit and 64 bit came along. What does your own
experience lead you to believe is necessary and not...and we come back to
it depends. If I have a CICS
that's the whole point, your OS is what you and your customers perceive it
to be.
This would be a great topic about 11:00 PM Thursday at a certain social
gathering at Share...too bad I can't be there to fuel it.
Daniel McLaughlin
ZOS Systems Programmer
Crawford Company
PH: 770 621 3256
*
I shall mourn its passing, but not for long. There was a very good article in
Datamation more
years ago than I like to remember entitled: The hidden speed of ISAM.
In the late days of MVT, someone collected around forty different ways of
breaking into key 0.
When MVS came out I got regular
Attempts at definitions like this one are seductive, but they always fail.
I was at the ICM in Madrid last week, and there was a session called 'What
is Mathematics?'.
There was consensus only about the usual operational definition,
'Mathematics is what mathematicians do'.
Ergo, an OS is .
But Mr. Gates sure did try to make IE part of the OS, didn't he?
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On
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 2:12 PM
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snip
There was consensus only about the usual operational definition,
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 04:42:59 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In the past (in other venues like the old TalkLink) I've joked about the
length and complexity of Chris's append to threads on various fora. Well,
he's now shown that isn't always the case. Sometimes they are short. But
john gilmore wrote:
There was consensus only about the usual operational definition,
'Mathematics is what mathematicians do'.
Ergo, an OS is . . .
what OS-ticians do? :-)
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On Aug 29, 2006, at 5:47 AM, R.S. wrote:
--SNIP
I was wrong. I confused block count field of HDR1/EOF1/EOV1 with
block size field of HDR2/EOF2/EOV2. Indeed, zero's means you should
read bytes 71-80 for block size. BTW: ADRDSSU does not use LBI, but
writes 64kB
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:59:35 EDT, IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
And how did you manage to do all the PITA work necessary? Did you start
JES2, then TSO (needs JESx alive to get started), then update files,
then run
batch jobs (needs JESx to start) or started tasks
On Tuesday 29 August 2006 13:49, Kok, Howi wrote:
Hi All,
I'm trying to put together our order for z/OS 1.7 before time runs out.
One thing that confuses me is the Enhanced ACIF pgm no 5655-M32. Does
anyone know if I don't put this in the order list will I still get ACIF?
The IBM partner
When in doubt.
PANIC!!
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of course the corollaries UNIT=AFF and AFF=
(Sorry about the previous blank post. Something about fat fingers and a
BlackBerry keyboard).
I use UNIT=AFF all the time dumping SMF from multiple archive tapes.
When in doubt.
PANIC!!
Ergo, an OS is . . .
snip
...what z/OS do?
Or:
Do that voodoo you do so well!
The definition is never going to be nailed down properly.
If you define the OS as just BCP, then you are going to have a lot of things
that you cannot do.
So, if you expand the definition to BCP, JES2, all the
Ever notice how some people think they they can sneak back without anyone
noticing the absence? You need a name like Smith to achieve that.
Welcome back.
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:11:27 -0500, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. . .
parmlist for close req
8000 11AA3C10
Show the expansion of the CLOSE macro.
Is R1 getting cleared to indicate MODE=31? If not, it would be trying to
close an ACB at location zero (and something else must be causing
Defining an operating system according to its usefulness is a waste of time.
That I disagree with!
Usefulness is the only indicator.
If it's not useful, why would I purchase it?
When in doubt.
PANIC!!
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:51:56 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Defining an operating system according to its usefulness is a waste of
time.
That I disagree with!
Usefulness is the only indicator.
If it's not useful, why would I purchase it?
...
Defining an operating system...
The definition of Operating System should not depend on the usefulness of a
particular instance. The definition shouldn't even depend on the
*existance* of an instance - any instance.
Too Zen for me.
What is the sound of one disk IPLing?
If an OS is not useful, why am I using it?
The purpose
On Tuesday, 08/29/2006 at 09:51 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Defining an operating system according to its usefulness is a waste of
time.
That I disagree with!
Usefulness is the only indicator.
If it's not useful, why would I purchase it?
LOL, Ted! :-) You would only
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