Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
Paul, Did you my earlier response? Extended format Sequential datasets (DSORG=PS-E) can be accessed by QSAM and BSAM access methods. ADRDSSU does not use BSAM or QSAM. It uses EXCP. That's it. Ron Paul, It is not the DSORG that has to support Extended Format, it is the ACCESS METHOD. The

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
Rick Fochtman wrote: Dear God, how I wish there was a documented interface to STARTIO; I'd like to play around with Format-1 CCW's. :-) Format-1 CCWs have been supported by EXCP for some time. To enable their use, simply turn on bit IOBEFMT1 in the IOB extension (mapped by IOSDIOBE). While

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Paul Ip
Oh, I missed your reply since I used the full subject search... Now, I've used Strobe to perform some testings and it matches what you've said: 1. ADRDSSU DUMP uses EXCP so I can only use DSNTYPE=LARGE 2. ICEGENER (DFSORT) uses (auto detects) EXCP for non-EF datasets and BSAM for EF datasets 3.

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
Paul, Mou man tai. My spellchecker changed the heading in my earlier post. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Ip Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] EXCP access

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Paul Ip
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:14:26 -0700, Ron Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, Mou man tai. My spellchecker changed the heading in my earlier post. Ron Mou man tai ---You know Cantonese??! (thanks for your reply) --

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Paul Ip
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:14:26 -0700, Ron Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, Mou man tai. My spellchecker changed the heading in my earlier post. Ron Mou man tai - You know Cantonese??! (Thanks for your reply) --

Re: Can DB/2 use standard KSDS VSAM datasets?

2008-06-12 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:39:58 -0600, David Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I was afraid of. Thanks. Don't be; there's no need to ;-) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Logan Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:58

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/11/2008 7:27:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish there was a documented interface to STARTIO; I'd like to play around with Format-1 CCW's. :-) In AUG 1987 there were two sessions by two different presenters (I was one of them) at SHARE

Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread HELIO
Hello list, I have some data set's vsam not catalogued and are lost on the disks, tried to delete them and I am not able, used the IDCAMS VVR and NVR and I am getting the following messages: DELETE SFRPD.A2S11002.CD0RJI0R + VVR FILE(VVDSD1) IDC3014I CATALOG ERROR

Re: SMP/E: Using BUILDMCS to copy a product

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden And in case it is not obvious, this also means you need to allocate new / empty target and distribution libraries. ... You also need to add the DDDEFs with library names / path names. ... Mark

Re: SSL Timeout

2008-06-12 Thread Mark Pace
I now believe that it must be a client or end-user network problem. Some people using SSL stay connected for 1 hour (TSO time-out - S522), and others time-out at 10-15 mins (terminal error - S622). What's confusing is that I had them check their version of PComm and each is using the same

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Rich Tabor
Perhaps DEFINE ... RECATALOG followed by DELETE!? On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:23 AM, HELIO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I have some data set's vsam not catalogued and are lost on the disks, tried to delete them and I am not able, used the IDCAMS VVR and NVR and I am getting the

Re: Can DB/2 use standard KSDS VSAM datasets?

2008-06-12 Thread Mohammad Khan
No, you can't but you can write a table user defined function which will allow DB2 to present this data as a DB2 table. This approach requires a program to be written but saves the trouble of loading data into a table and keeping it up to date. Hope this helps On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:58:26

Re: oedit/obrowse invalid directory: Errno=81x

2008-06-12 Thread Big Iron
Is it possible that there is a problem with: 1. the home directory in your OMVS profile OR 2. the shell program defined in your OMVS profile? Bill On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:54:41 -0700, Smith, Sean M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent this to the IBM-UNIX listserv as well but thought us regular users

Re: Can DB/2 use standard KSDS VSAM datasets?

2008-06-12 Thread Shane Ginnane
- just this week one of my guys tested a UDF (which I'd never heard of) to make a customers life (supposedly) easier. Service unit consumption was *in excess* of an order of magnitude higher. The idea was quickly abandoned. Shane ... (caveat - I can't even spell DB2) Quoting Mohammad Khan:

Re: Migrated Dataset List

2008-06-12 Thread Arturo
David, What utility would you recommend to read the file to generate a readable format? If you have an example.. that would be a Great. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL

Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Gary Green
As I mentioned in the past, a friend is losing his job (and looking for the next one) because the company he works for is sending all systems programmer, operations and scheduling, as well as a lot of other non-mainframe, positions, to a firm in India. Well, this past week he had to sit down and

Re: Can DB/2 use standard KSDS VSAM datasets?

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shane Ginnane - just this week one of my guys tested a UDF (which I'd never heard of) to make a customers life (supposedly) easier. Service unit consumption was *in excess* of an order of magnitude higher.

Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 3270 Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Nigel Bowen
-Original Message- From: Nigel Bowen Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:26 AM To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: IBM-MAIN Digest - 10 Jun 2008 to 11 Jun 2008 (#2008-163) For 3270 emulation, BlueZone is the way to go. For an older MAC we use BlueZone

Re: Migrated Dataset List

2008-06-12 Thread Gary Green
If you want to read the file, then a simple solution is to coble together something in SAS to read the MCDS and then write the report. There are samples of this floating around the web somewhere. Gary Green I can use all the help I can get with my fight against cancer! Please support my

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gary Green As I mentioned in the past, a friend is losing his job (and looking for the next one) because the company he works for is sending all systems programmer, operations and scheduling, as well as a lot of

Re: Can DB/2 use standard KSDS VSAM datasets?

2008-06-12 Thread Shane Ginnane
Quoting Chase, John : OPEN and CLOSE inside the loop? Been known to happen. Nope. Looks like setup/teardown cost. LE ... XPLINK ... (maybe) UDF ... is IBM ever going to learn ??? Inline SQL made it all go away. Shane ...

Re: Migrated Dataset List

2008-06-12 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
You might try ISMF, Option 11, Enhanced ACS Management, option #5 SMS Report generation, Options 4,5 and 6 use the dcollect file as input. Submit and go to lunch. Seems to take awhile. or as Gary suggests, write a SAS program to read and report. From: Arturo

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
Remind me to dump the stock in that company! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for

Re: oedit/obrowse invalid directory: Errno=81x

2008-06-12 Thread Big Iron
Is it possible that the version of OEDIT in your SYSPROC/SYSEXEC concatenation is out of date? When you invoke /bin/oedit from the shell, it invokes OEDIT under ISPF using the -u parm to specify the OMVS uid in use. Maybe that parm isn't being parsed correctly and so is being treated as the

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:55:59 -0400 Gary Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :As I mentioned in the past, a friend is losing his job (and looking for the :next one) because the company he works for is sending all systems :programmer, operations and scheduling, as well as a lot of other :non-mainframe,

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Bobbie Justice
so he installed an operating system that isn't even out yet, good one, and then he had no clue about the widely known SMF exits. Hey, I know the answer, maybe he's a USS expert instead (Unix System Services), I didn't see that mentioned. I am curious however, exactly what it is that the

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/12/2008 9:39:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am curious however, exactly what it is that the supposed senior systems outsource person knows, and exactly what has he done before, obviously it isn't much. I wonder if he even knows how to

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Lindy Mayfield
You're all sure to meet him as soon as he discovers IBM-MAIN. You'll know him immediately after only reading the first line of his post. (-: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobbie Justice Sent: 12. kesäkuuta 2008 17:39 To:

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Fletcher, Kevin
snip maybe he read a book and declared himself an expert. /snip You can do that? I just have been giving myself random titles. Maybe we can use his time travel abilities to ask him about the pitfalls of a z/OS 1.10 install. PS. Sorry for the added noise on the list. Fletch Director of

Re: oedit/obrowse invalid directory: Errno=81x

2008-06-12 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Is it possible that the version of OEDIT in your SYSPROC/SYSEXEC concatenation is out of date? When you invoke /bin/oedit from the shell, it invokes OEDIT under ISPF using the -u parm to specify the OMVS uid in use. Maybe that parm isn't being parsed correctly and so is being treated as the

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... You're all sure to meet him as soon as he

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield You're all sure to meet him as soon as he discovers IBM-MAIN. You'll know him immediately after only

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Howard Brazee
It seems that more and more, systems programmers either find some old-timer to mentor them or they have to shoehorn themselves into positions to learn their jobs on their own. Companies don't want to train them. Same thing with CoBOL or PL/I programmers. Actually, this is part of

3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Gerhard Postpischil wrote: Mark Wilson wrote: what 3270 software do you use to connect to your mainframes? BlueZone from seagullsoftware.com for serious work (supports graphics, 3290 partitions, and a few other fancies). Inexpensive for the provided features and support. Vista from Tom

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Kelman, Tom
This is really scary, not only because of the lack of skills, but IMHO because of the lack of security. Besides this company obviously getting someone who doesn't know what they are doing, they are giving away the keys to the kingdom. Who is verifying the integrity of the employees of the

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... It seems that more and more, systems programmers

How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread Ray Overby
I am writing an assembler program. I have obtained the format 1 dscb for a data set. Is there a way to tell if the PDS or PDSE is empty by using the format 1 dscb? If not, how do you tell if a PDS or PDSE is empty? Ray Overby

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Pedro Vera
On IBM-MAIN, there seem to be very many helpful experts, but at ibmmainframes.com there is a plethora of very inexperienced posters. Pedro Vera phone (408) 463-4812 internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] homepage http://pedro.userv.ibm.com

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Bobbie Justice
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:50:26 -0500, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
I don't think so. The best way (IMO) is to use DESERV and the GET_ALL function. code OPEN (INPUT,(INPUT)) DESERV FUNC=GET_ALL, X AREAPTR=DIRECTORY, X DCB=INPUT

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:06:09 -0500 Ray Overby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :I am writing an assembler program. I have obtained the format 1 dscb for :a data set. Is there a way to tell if the PDS or PDSE is empty by using :the format 1 dscb? Certainly not PDSE. Only relevant field for PDS is

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread John P Kalinich
Ray Overby of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 06/12/2008 10:06:09 AM: I am writing an assembler program. I have obtained the format 1 dscb for a data set. Is there a way to tell if the PDS or PDSE is empty by using the format 1 dscb? If not, how do you tell if

Re: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 10:03:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only 3290's we ever had were used as consoles, so I never had a chance to play with this. I think ISPF supported them at one time (maybe still does). Somebody gave us a few 3290's many moons

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ricardo Lee
Sorry, but I think you are making it very wide. Some companies really give up on hiring from inside the Country moving the services to overseas, but people overseas are almost as skilled or even more skilled. They are just cheaper. As to the fact of terrorism it will always depend on what kind

Hipersockets Performance Metrics

2008-06-12 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi, I had a co-worker who is setting up a Hipersocket connection ask if there is any active or historical way to monitor performance? My consideration was to look at the FTP throughput. I cannot imagine you could saturate a Hipersocket pipe? Would the limiting factor outside of I/O on

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
OK, as an add-in to this question. Suppose that the user allocates a UNIX directory in the DD statement? As we know, BPAM is set up to allow read-only access to a UNIX subdirectory and read the files in it as if they were members. How, in this case, would I determine that the directory is empty?

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip- Oh, I missed your reply since I used the full subject search... Now, I've used Strobe to perform some testings and it matches what you've said: 1. ADRDSSU DUMP uses EXCP so I can only use DSNTYPE=LARGE 2. ICEGENER (DFSORT) uses (auto detects)

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Brazee) writes: It seems that more and more, systems programmers either find some old-timer to mentor them or they have to shoehorn themselves into positions

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Tony B.
Sure we can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGRCn0vwK3c -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobbie Justice Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip- Or, as Ed Jaffe suggested, you can use Format 1 CCWs with EXCP in unauthorized code. If your code is authorized, there is a lot more you can do by modifying DEB fields after you OPEN your DCB.

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip--- Hello list, I have some data set's vsam not catalogued and are lost on the disks, tried to delete them and I am not able, used the IDCAMS VVR and NVR and I am getting the following messages: --more

Re: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Peurifoy Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac [snip] I am curious, is there much software that

Re: Hipersockets Performance Metrics

2008-06-12 Thread Brad Carson
Sam, On the z/OS side of things, you can always look at the channel stats for the IQD CHIPID. If you are having any performance issues it will show up there. On the IP side you will want to make sure the MTU size on the link matches the HCD defined size. Brad S. Carson Manager z/Series

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/12/2008 10:47:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, but I think you are making it very wide. I disagree, if by wide you mean exaggerating the problem. Some companies really give up on hiring from inside the Country moving the services to

Re: Hipersockets Performance Metrics

2008-06-12 Thread Rich Smrcina
Part of the limiting factor is the engine speed at either end. If one of the ends is subcapacity, it will be part of the bottleneck. Knutson, Sam wrote: Hi, I had a co-worker who is setting up a Hipersocket connection ask if there is any active or historical way to monitor performance?

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... snip As to the fact of terrorism it will

Re: Can DB/2 use standard KSDS VSAM datasets?

2008-06-12 Thread Mohammad Khan
UDFs are no magic bullets and can hurt as well as help. For providing SELECT access to data outside of DB2, table UDFs provide a neat solution. As for the costs involved, this code runs in a seperate address space (which is started by WLM if not already there) under its own TCB thus requiring a

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John And I will add that stock holders also don't care about the long term anymore. The same is true of governments today. No long term thinking. They think only to the next election. Imperial Rome

Re: CSP/AD and zOS 1.8

2008-06-12 Thread Gabe Torres
Rose, We exchanged 'offlist' about our successful testing of CSP in our Test Lpar and I promised an update when we cutover to production. We converted our production lpars from z/OS 1.4 to z/OS 1.8 using the concatenation of the z/OS1.7 LE Libraries in the CSP product. Although not

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:16:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you say cyber terrorism? [from a post by Tom Kelman at Commerce Bank of Kansas City which is where this comment came from.] Sorry. I missed that post. There is also management terrorism,

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Anne Lynn Wheeler Howard Brazee writes: It seems that more and more, systems programmers either find some old-timer to mentor them or they have to shoehorn themselves into positions to learn their jobs on

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip As I mentioned in the past, a friend is losing his job (and looking for the next one) because the company he works for is sending all systems programmer, operations and scheduling, as well as a lot of other non-mainframe, positions, to a

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip- Apparently management there does not fully comprehend all the implications of You get what you pay for. If it's a publicly-held firm, I think I'd want to divest.. ---unsnip-- GOT THAT RIGHT!

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip--- maybe he read a book and declared himself an expert. ---unsnip Don't bet on it. He doesn't sound that bright! :-) --

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
(IBM Mainframe Discussion List) wrote: ... The main danger in using STARTIO is when you build a channel program with real addresses that has read CCWs in it, as you can easily overlay storage that is not yours. Write CCWs will not overlay storage, but you will write the wrong data out to

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ray Overby wrote: I am writing an assembler program. I have obtained the format 1 dscb for a data set. Is there a way to tell if the PDS or PDSE is empty by using the format 1 dscb? If not, how do you tell if a PDS or PDSE is empty? I'm afraid you'll have to OPEN the data set to find out.

Re: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Ed Finnell wrote: Somebody gave us a few 3290's many moons ago but not the 3174 feature. So we ended up paying and then we needed another Meg and then we needed the hard disk it kept going downhill. I think they were a major contributor to TN3270 conversion. The fact that IBM held the cash

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip I am writing an assembler program. I have obtained the format 1 dscb for a data set. Is there a way to tell if the PDS or PDSE is empty by using the format 1 dscb? If not, how do you tell if a PDS or PDSE is empty?

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Jun 2008 09:05:03 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson, Steve) wrote: As to the fact of terrorism it will always depend on what kind of company one will contract. You can always suffer from terrorism from inside also. Terrorism is the new word virtually all governments use to label their

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman -snip--- maybe he read a book and declared himself an expert. ---unsnip Don't bet on it. He doesn't

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip--- On IBM-MAIN, there seem to be very many helpful experts, but at ibmmainframes.com there is a plethora of very inexperienced posters. ---unsnip-- At the risk of sounding very arrogant, I say let them stay

Re: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Jun 2008 09:48:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Peurifoy) wrote: On the other hand, we used our 3290's and 3174's for better than 20 years with no problems. We seem to replace PC's about every 3 years (though that may not be required :-) ). Certainly it isn't required when they only

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: , IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... In a message dated 6/12/2008 9:39:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:33:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry. I missed that post. There is also management terrorism, in which incompetent management blunder their way into eventual dissolution of a good company. I have worked at more than one

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip-- I don't think so. The best way (IMO) is to use DESERV and the GET_ALL function. code OPEN (INPUT,(INPUT)) DESERV FUNC=GET_ALL, X AREAPTR=DIRECTORY,

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:02 PM [snip] --unsnip-- I'm looking at this code snippet and wondering: what's the purpose of

Re: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:54:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Certainly it isn't required when they only are used as terminals. Well the hard drives do fill up with the 'downloads' whether it's music, videos or pictures of the gran kids

Re: SSL Timeout

2008-06-12 Thread Hal Merritt
Perhaps the affected folks are traversing a different network path using different appliances? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SSL

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
Maybe you should ask the new SR Systems Programmer that just installed z/OS 1.1O Bill Bates Sr Systems Programmer EOT IT Services 10 Park Plaza Room 7110 Boston, MA 02116 (617) 973-8906 Cell 617-719-3344 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Recall: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
Bates, Bill (RMV) would like to recall the message, Data set's lost. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
Maybe you should ask the new SR Systems Programmer that just installed z/OS 1.1O -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Tabor Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Data set's lost Perhaps

Re: Recall: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bates, Bill (RMV) Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Recall: Data set's lost Bates, Bill (RMV) would like to recall the message, Data set's lost.

Disappearing Master Catalog entries.

2008-06-12 Thread Richbourg, Claude
This is a strange one and I just opened a PMR with IBM. Scenario: I have a three lpars, one at z/OS 1.9 and two at z/OS 1.7. The 1.9 system is our sandbox area and I am starting the clone of the test lpar to be at 1.9. The driving system has been the sandbox 1.9, which the new master cat is

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: , IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... In a message dated 6/12/2008 10:47:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Scott Rowe
I have worked for bosses that tried to use terror as a tool! Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/12/2008 12:49 PM Terrorism is the new word virtually all governments use to label their enemies. But if their tool isn't terror, then it isn't terrorism.Have you worked for companies that used

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip- Real CCW addresses are also used by the documented EXCPVR interface. The biggest problem with STARTIO is that there is no allocation, DCB, or OPEN required. All it needs is an IOSB -- which contains pointers to the channel program and

Re: Disappearing Master Catalog entries.

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richbourg, Claude Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Disappearing Master Catalog entries. This is a strange one and I just opened a PMR with IBM.

Re: Recall: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
Because I'm one of them old systems programmer who has CRS. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Recall: Data set's lost -Original

Re: Disappearing Master Catalog entries.

2008-06-12 Thread Richbourg, Claude
I hope not, since I have all the co-req maintenance on 1.7 for z/OS 1.9. Just way too weird. Claude -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
Read up on the life and times of one Thomas J Watson... (G, D R) Have you worked for companies that used terror as a weapon or tool? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 12:10:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have worked for bosses that tried to use terror as a tool! Guess we used to call it F.U.D.(fear, uncertainty, doubt), Spiral marketing, corporate espionage, trade secrets, intellectual

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread John Kington
--snip--- Hello list, I have some data set's vsam not catalogued and are lost on the disks, tried to delete them and I am not able, used the IDCAMS VVR and NVR and I am getting the following messages: --more

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:42:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Real CCW addresses are also used by the documented EXCPVR interface. True. And you have to get the real addresses correct with EXCPVR, or you will hose storage on read commands. The biggest

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Jun 2008 10:10:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pinnacle) wrote: Actually, huge disagreement with this. The OP clearly shows that people overseas are not as skilled (even more skilled? That's a joke). Cheaper, sure, but you get what you pay for. Communications of the ACM (CACM) just had

Re: Disappearing Master Catalog entries.

2008-06-12 Thread Michael Saraco
For VSAM entries check the Z/os1.9 VSAM migration. I would check the rename job you ran for the answers. For the rest I would do a listcat on your catalogs and I think you will find the other data sets. If you are creating a page data set on one system for use another create the page data set

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... On 12 Jun 2008 09:05:03 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 12:26:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The vvds entry should contain the catalog where the dataset(s) is cataloged. It's sort of like a mystery novel(or misery as the case may be). -Usually start with ===LISTC ent('hlq') all to see

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ricardo Lee
So, you really think that, if one is not north american, a US citzen, then he/she has less skills?? I think of it as a xenophobic problem. Actually, I realy think that, because of all the problems we have here in Brazil, where I live (I can't comment about India, as I don't know) such as lack

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/12/2008 12:30:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the lesser skilled work will be outsourced again to those who need the money enough to be willing to work for less Just as manufacturing jobs are migrating from one outsourced country to

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