Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Mills
I got a response to the PMR. Taking the liberty of paraphrasing a long reply, the essence of it seemed to be that -- per the CCSID pair lists in the manual -- they support round trip conversion from 1027 to 1208 but not from 1208 to 1027. Here is what I wrote back: It sounds like you are saying

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Mills
@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: I got a response to the PMR. Taking the liberty

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Mills
FWIW, z/OS Unicode Services does indicate that at least one SUB character was output. It's not an error (RC still = 0) but it is a documented output status bit flag. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin

Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
My understanding of roundtrip conversion is that every code point in the from CCSID translates to a unique (possibly meaningless) code point in the to CCSID so that if for example a customer is so foolish as to transmit, for example, an object deck from z/OS to a PC in text format, and then

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
Well, Peter, that's certainly consistent with what I see. I'm looking, however, at slide 11 of http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ieduasst/stgv1r0/index.jsp?topic=/c om.ibm.iea.zos/zos/1.9/IntegratingNewAppOnzOS/zOSV1R9_Integrating_newAppl_LE UnicodeServices/player.html . (You may have to

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
wouldn't bet on it. And Win systems are almost guaranteed NOT to support such a guarantee. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Anyone

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion Thanks, Peter. Please understand I am not criticizing or faulting z/OS Unicode

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion On 6/12/2012 11:59 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Peter, thanks. Believe me, I have done a *lot* of CCSID research. CCSID 1208 is Encoding scheme 7807 - UTF-8, UCS-2 transform; Name UTF-8 WITH IBM PUA

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
Right. I don't have a functional problem. There is no fix that I am looking for. I have an understanding and documentation (mine!) problem. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Tuesday, June

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
12, 2012 12:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion On 12 June 2012 13:59, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Fair enough. Unicode services reports however that it supports roundtrip conversion in many of these cases, including

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
FYI: A round-trip conversion works only in a two-tier homogenous environment where the data makes the complete round trip. For example, if you pass data from DB2 for Linux, UNIX, and Windows to DB2 for z/OS and then back to DB2 for Linux, UNIX, and Windows with a round-trip conversion, no data

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:59:13 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: A round-trip conversion works only in a two-tier homogenous environment where the data makes

Re: How many cost a cpu second?

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
I think you are not getting an answer -- actually as I recall you got several answers to this effect -- because the question is effectively how long is a piece of string? I use several LPARs for development. For various business reasons a CPU second costs me and my employer nothing. OTOH if you

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
I have opened a PMR. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion Thanks. I

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion On 12 June 2012 18:55, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: I have opened a PMR. For the doc, or the behaviour of the service? Or did you choose the let us decide for you option...? Tony H

Re: How many cost a cpu second?

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
on hardware-dependent relationship between CPU seconds and Millions of Service Units (MSU). On 06/12/2012 04:29 PM, Charles Mills wrote: I think you are not getting an answer -- actually as I recall you got several answers to this effect -- because the question is effectively how long is a piece

Re: Anyone a Unicode Services expert? -- roundtrip conversion

2012-06-12 Thread Charles Mills
:42:02 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: Not sure what you mean. Here's the PMR: Problem Details . Product or Service: Support for Unicode Component ID: 5752SCUNI . Operating System: z/OS . Problem title Round trip conversion not working as expected . Problem description My understanding of round trip

Re: FYI LinKEdln passwords hacked

2012-06-08 Thread Charles Mills
Amen! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Gord Tomlin Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: FYI LinKEdln passwords hacked On 2012-06-07 07:35, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2012-06-06 23:31,

Re: JES/2 Proc SYSIN Concat Error??

2012-06-07 Thread Charles Mills
.) Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 7:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: JES/2 Proc SYSIN Concat Error?? In 029601cd4400$477d3890$d677a9b0$@mcn.org, on 06/06/2012 at 09:20 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: //REFFING DD DDNAME=REFFED that REFFED could be any valid DD statement

Re: trouble writing member to PDS/E in C/++

2012-06-07 Thread Charles Mills
Obviously not much detail in your question but I do it all the time. Note the single quotes on the dataset name. fopen('FOO.BAR(MEMBER)', %c, blksize=0, lrecl=%d, recfm=%s,space=(%s,(%d,%d,%d)), noseek) should work, where the substitution values into the second parameter are 'a' or 'w' plus

Re: JES/2 Proc SYSIN Concat Error??

2012-06-06 Thread Charles Mills
Does this imply that I can't code two separate DD statements, each containing the DDNAME=... option in the same PROC, where they refer to separate concatenations, respectively? Not sure that I read that into it, although it certainly is possible User Response: If the DDNAME reference was

Re: LE COBOL odd behavior

2012-06-06 Thread Charles Mills
I don't know what the cause is but I know that sometimes I see output when I do an S on a running job or STC and sometimes I do not (even though the output has in fact been written). Not sometimes as in today versus yesterday but sometimes as in one system or situation versus another over some

Re: JES/2 Proc SYSIN Concat Error??

2012-06-06 Thread Charles Mills
If I change the proc so that SYSUT1 is last statement, everything works fine I think it's a coincidence (more or less) that it works. The orphan DD's get concatenated to the previous DD, which just happens to be SYSUT1 in this case. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Is there an Enterprise COBOL API to detect SOURCE-COMPUTER WITH DEBUGGING on or off at runtime?

2012-06-04 Thread Charles Mills
Could you have a switch that was set to 'X' by default but to 'Y' by a debugging statement, and then your if not debugging test is switch NE 'Y'. Do we really need to care about CPU cycles for a debugging IF? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Is there an Enterprise COBOL API to detect SOURCE-COMPUTER WITH DEBUGGING on or off at runtime?

2012-06-04 Thread Charles Mills
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there an Enterprise COBOL API to detect SOURCE-COMPUTER WITH DEBUGGING on or off at runtime? Could you have a switch that was set to 'X

Re: Is there an Enterprise COBOL API to detect SOURCE-COMPUTER WITH DEBUGGING on or off at runtime?

2012-06-04 Thread Charles Mills
I hear you. Keep the faith. Good luck. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 2:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there an Enterprise COBOL API to detect

Re: SMF log stream access

2012-06-01 Thread Charles Mills
System exits IEFU83, IEFU84, and IEFU85. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Miklos Szigetvari Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SMF log stream access Hi Any fast way to access the

Re: Cell pool questions

2012-05-31 Thread Charles Mills
The intent is the CPOOL is not used with the term cell pool services Somebody forgot to tell the tech writers: Chapter 31. CPOOL - Perform Cell Pool Services :-) And yes, the total count of free+in-use can be gotten via CPOOL LIST and doing whatever additions you choose to do. Thanks,

Re: What is a PC Call?

2012-05-31 Thread Charles Mills
Great stuff Chris, thank you! The problem I have had with a lot of things like this is that the PoOp describes the hardware in a vacuum, as though z/OS did not exist. (As it probably should.) It is also non-judgmental -- never says this instruction is basically an antique, or is likely to get you

Re: Cell pool questions

2012-05-31 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks all! Appears to return the expected results: MODIFY command accepted Size of Record Cell Pool is 15 cells MODIFY processing completed Formula is static const int CPOOLworkExtentNum = 3;// number of extents in word 3 count = QueueSize +

Cell pool questions

2012-05-30 Thread Charles Mills
1. Can I mix CPOOL and CSRP calls on the same cell pool? Could one for example use CPOOL GET for performance, and CSRPQPL to obtain statistics that are not available through CPOOL? I already have working CPOOL macro code, but I would like to get the CSRQPL statistics. Can I do so without

Re: Cell pool questions

2012-05-30 Thread Charles Mills
Jim, thanks. Wow, I totally did not get that. I saw it as two different APIs to the same core service, like the C and assembler APIs to TCP/IP. Not sure if it is just me, but you might want to make that clearer in the documentation, seeing as both are called Cell Pool Services. I almost did not

Re: Cell pool questions

2012-05-30 Thread Charles Mills
Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: 30 May 2012 21:09 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Cell pool questions Jim, thanks. Wow, I totally did not get that. I saw it as two different APIs to the same core service, like the C and assembler APIs to TCP/IP

Re: Snap dump question

2012-05-28 Thread Charles Mills
-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Snap dump question Charles Mills writes begin extract DBB LECL will almost certainly not assemble (as John G. was pointing out, a bit obtusely). Should be LRECL /end extract Equally

Re: Snap dump question

2012-05-25 Thread Charles Mills
DBB LECL will almost certainly not assemble (as John G. was pointing out, a bit obtusely). Should be LRECL. A DSECT is just a name for the variables presumably (the assembler trusts you) pointed to by some register. (There are additional forms of USING but let's not go there now.) If I say USING

Re: Snap dump question

2012-05-25 Thread Charles Mills
DBB LECL will almost certainly not assemble (as John G. was pointing out, a bit obtusely). Should be LRECL. I meant DCB LECL and LRECL, obviously. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, May

Re: Comparing datasets

2012-05-24 Thread Charles Mills
Very cool! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sri h Kolusu Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Comparing datasets Zaromil, You can use DFSORT's JOINKEYS to compare the

Unicode Services translation question

2012-05-23 Thread Charles Mills
I don't understand what I am seeing from Unicode Services translation. I specify translation from 1047 (Encoding scheme 1100 - EBCDIC, SBCS; Name LATIN 1 / OPEN SYSTEM) to 1252 (Encoding scheme 4105 - ASCII, SBCS; Name MS-WIN LATIN-1). As both CCSIDs are SBCS I would expect that any common

Re: Unicode Services translation question

2012-05-23 Thread Charles Mills
: C2A9 B5: C2A7 B6: C2B6 B7: C2BC B8: C2BD B9: C2BE BA: C39D BB: C2A8 BC: C2AF BD: 5D BE: C2B4 BF: C397 ... Notice that B0 in 1047 translates to C2AC in UTF-8 On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: I don't understand what I am seeing from Unicode Services

Re: Unicode Services translation question

2012-05-23 Thread Charles Mills
Does it work as you expected for other characters in 1047 whose equivalent in 1252 have values above x7F? I just put in a broken vertical bar (EBCDIC 6A) and it translated (allegedly into 1252) as C2A6 rather than the expected A6. Where are you going with this? You obviously have something in

Re: Unicode Services translation question

2012-05-23 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. Could there be something wrong with how your Unicode Services tables are configured? Sure, but I try to avoid blame the compiler and blame the operating system for as long as possible! I want to see where Walt was going with the 7F question. Charles -Original Message- From:

Re: Unicode Services translation question

2012-05-23 Thread Charles Mills
] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Unicode Services translation question Thanks. Could there be something wrong with how your Unicode Services tables are configured? Sure, but I try to avoid blame the compiler and blame

Re: Unicode Services translation question

2012-05-23 Thread Charles Mills
[mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Unicode Services translation question Thanks. Could there be something wrong with how your Unicode Services tables are configured? Sure, but I try to avoid blame

Re: D SMF,O -- what do DEFAULT, PARMLIB and SYS mean?

2012-05-21 Thread Charles Mills
Awesome, Peter, thank you. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: D SMF,O -- what do DEFAULT, PARMLIB and SYS mean? I agree that you

Re: D SMF,O -- what do DEFAULT, PARMLIB and SYS mean?

2012-05-19 Thread Charles Mills
, and the messages manual merely lists the possible value, apparently erroneously. Thank you for your assistance. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

Re: D SMF,O -- what do DEFAULT, PARMLIB and SYS mean?

2012-05-19 Thread Charles Mills
Would you think that SYS was shorthand for SYSIN? Can anyone point me to the doc for how SMF parms are read from SYSIN? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Terry Sambrooks Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:01 AM To:

Re: D SMF,O -- what do DEFAULT, PARMLIB and SYS mean?

2012-05-19 Thread Charles Mills
Ah, Mark, quite possibly! Thanks. Yes. Looking at my system, I see, for example SUBSYS(STC,INTERVAL(SMF,SYNC)) -- SYS SUBSYS(STC,DETAIL) -- SYS SUBSYS(STC,EXITS(IEFUSO)) -- PARMLIB SUBSYS(STC,EXITS(IEFUJP)) -- PARMLIB Looking then at the member I see

D SMF,O -- what do DEFAULT, PARMLIB and SYS mean?

2012-05-18 Thread Charles Mills
I'm sure this is a dumb question but the answer sure is not with the description of the D SMF command. In the output from a D SMF,O command, what exactly do -- DEFAULT -- PARMLIB -- SYS mean? Are there any other similar tags? What do they mean? I guess DEFAULT is the basic default value.

Re: D SMF,O -- what do DEFAULT, PARMLIB and SYS mean?

2012-05-18 Thread Charles Mills
I saw that. if a parameter came from SYS where exactly did it come from? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Goossen Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: D SMF,O -- what do

Re: Codepages and locales

2012-05-13 Thread Charles Mills
Good exposition. It turns out it is incorrect to say z/OS allows '$' in dataset names. It is actually a case of z/OS allows x'5B' in dataset names. Your glyphs may vary. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tony

Re: Codepages and locales

2012-05-13 Thread Charles Mills
I am dealing with a customer issue that is low priority (have a workaround) and so I have not fully tracked it down but I think it may be that they (US customer) are running 037. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of

Re: Multiple waiting tasks, one control block?

2012-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
again, Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Multiple waiting tasks, one control block? At 08:43 -0700 on 05/05/2012, Charles

Re: Multiple waiting tasks, one control block?

2012-05-06 Thread Charles Mills
. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 2:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Multiple waiting tasks, one control block? On Sun, 6 May 2012 09:27:22 -0700, Charles Mills wrote

Multiple waiting tasks, one control block?

2012-05-05 Thread Charles Mills
I have a situation in which it would be a wonderful thing if I could have multiple tasks waiting for a single event, without having a separate wait control block of some sort for each task. Why? I have no control over what the tasks have in advance (system exit situation) and doing a GETMAIN or

Re: Multiple waiting tasks, one control block?

2012-05-05 Thread Charles Mills
@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Multiple waiting tasks, one control block? On 5/5/2012 8:43 AM, Charles Mills wrote: I have a situation in which it would be a wonderful thing if I could have multiple tasks waiting for a single event, without having a separate wait control block of some sort for each task

Re: Engine increase on the 2097

2012-05-04 Thread Charles Mills
I am wy into territory I know nothing about here but doesn't D M=CPU show this? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lopez, Sharon Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Engine increase

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
Exactly. Nor may he line by line paraphrase the source code from PL/S (assembler?) to C++ or Java or PL/I (Whelan v. Jaslow). Nor, quite possibly, may he make the screen layout the same as SDSF, or almost the same. Nor, of course, may he rip off those reference manuals; he must create his own,

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
,write files, etc.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 3, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Right. If you wrote a COBOL compiler, you could protect your compiler code under copyright, you could protect your manual, you could protect

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules On Wed, 2 May 2012 10:49:18 -0700, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules In 14d901cd2887$312cfba0$9386f2e0$@mcn.org, on 05/02/2012 at 10:15 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
have copyright protection, EU court rules On Thu, 3 May 2012 06:43:45 -0700, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Right, Walt. Their claims fly in the face of precedent as I understand it. They are trying to claim than any implementation of Java is a derivative work (see earlier posts

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-03 Thread Charles Mills
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules Charles Mills has made the operative distinction very clear, but let me try another analogy. Think of yourself, briefly, as Shakespeare. You have written Sonnet XXX, When to the sessions

Rexx IRXEXCOM reporting insufficient storage -- what storage?

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
I have IRXEXCOM returning a -2 (Processing was not successful. Insufficient storage was available for a requested SET. Processing was terminated. Some of the request blocks (SHVBLOCKs) may not have been processed and their SHVRET bytes will be unchanged.) at a customer site where I have limited

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
This is what I was saying (for US law) relative to Oracle's claim that a copyright on the Java specification document protected the functioning of the language described therein. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of

Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
/cbcpg18096.htm On 2/05/2012 9:58 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Thanks! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Does C/LE open

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
Lots of confusion here. 1. US and EU are of course different. Laws and precedents don't matter much from one to the other. 2. Copyright in the US has never protected programming language specifications, etc. Google Lotus v. Borland, the seminal case, which went all the way to SCOTUS. 3.

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
of various sizes and colors, that expression might be subject to copyright, but the function of displaying the status of started tasks graphically would not. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
, whatever language you have written in , in business ? Without copyright, doesn't it imply , people can take you source and change it and resell it ...if the gave your source , right ? Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 2, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Charles Mills charl

Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
was bad! Seems I didn't quite understand how to copy a link in Infocenter! http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/topic/com.ibm.zos.r9.cbcpx 01/cbcpg180781.htm#wq1935 On 3/05/2012 1:09 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Full samples of deblocking BPAM directory blocks with code? Which program? I

Re: zOS under zVM

2012-05-01 Thread Charles Mills
FWIW the IBM Dallas Development Center runs multiple (many?) z/OS images under z/VM. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: zOS under zVM

Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?

2012-05-01 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND? Thank you! Here is an

Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?

2012-04-30 Thread Charles Mills
Does anyone *know* whether a C/C++ Language Environment fopen() of a filename of the form DD:ddname(member) use an OPEN of ddname followed by a BLDL or FIND for member (the way any reasonable programmer would) or does it do a whole new DYNALLOC for dsname(member)? (Seems like a dumb question, but

Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?

2012-04-30 Thread Charles Mills
a STOW (if opened update) and a BLDL/POINT, and avoided the cost of a complete OPEN/CLOSE path.I don't think that it does that. So, for my money, better BPAM support would be nice. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Charles Mills charl

Re: Have you ever done this using FTP?

2012-04-27 Thread Charles Mills
You can do your own explicit allocate via FTP if you want. Check out the SITE command. You can say something like (from memory) site cyl pri 5 sec 1 dir 20 which is roughly equivalent to SPACE=(CYL,(5,1,20)) and then a mkdir which will create the PDS. Charles -Original Message- From:

Re: Have you ever done this using FTP?

2012-04-26 Thread Charles Mills
Exactly. Could not be more straightforward. Exactly the same as copying the contents of a folder from one UNIX or Windows machine to another. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rob Schramm Sent: Thursday, April 26,

Re: EXTRACT,QEDIT macro

2012-04-23 Thread Charles Mills
You can process a stop (P) or modify (F) command. The CIB is the CIB is the CIB no matter how many tasks you have. Only one can wait on the (on any, for that matter) ECB at one time, however. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On

Re: DESERV for HFS Folders?

2012-04-20 Thread Charles Mills
Bob, thanks, a lot of stuff in there, most of it waay beyond what I need. Is there a particular service you had in mind for my problem below? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Friday, April 20,

Re: DESERV for HFS Folders?

2012-04-20 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. Sounds like I will need two code paths: - DESERV for PDS(E) - readdir (which in my general UNIX ignorance I was not aware of) for HFS directories Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent:

IBM C/C++ Productivity Tools for OS/390

2012-04-20 Thread Charles Mills
The current (V1R13) LE Concepts Guide refers to the IBM C/C++ Productivity Tools for OS/390 product. Is that really the current name of the product (OS/390)? It's Windows-based? Does anyone have any idea of the pricing? (I don't have an IBM salesperson in my hip pocket.) Thanks, Charles

Re: IBM C/C++ Productivity Tools for OS/390

2012-04-20 Thread Charles Mills
I was mostly interested in the profiler. Me too. What did you end up using? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 6:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM C/C++

DESERV for HFS Folders?

2012-04-19 Thread Charles Mills
I need to be able to process for input all members of a PDS, PDSE, or HFS folder. I need to process them individually - the order does not matter - and not as one big concatenated file. DESERV GET_ALL will get me the names if it's a PDS or PDSE (and I can take it from there) but what about a

Re: Assembler - convrssion of Epoch (Unix) time to printable

2012-03-27 Thread Charles Mills
Leap seconds pretty much have to be of interest to you or you will be off by twenty seconds plus, probably too much to ignore. But they are not a big deal (spoken as one who recently had to solve this problem). They are available (assuming they have been input, and if not, then obviously all bets

Re: Leaving IBM

2012-03-27 Thread Charles Mills
I don't usually respond to these things -- but you have been a big help over the years. Thank you. You will be missed. Best wishes to you also. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Sent: Monday, March 26,

Re: Assembler - convrssion of Epoch (Unix) time to printable

2012-03-27 Thread Charles Mills
Right, probably the slickest solution is to figure out how to set up LE and call mktime() or gmtime() and then strftime(). See the C library manual for details. People here can help you with setting up an LE environment and calling a C routine. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Assembler - convrssion of Epoch (Unix) time to printable

2012-03-27 Thread Charles Mills
So Gil, you are saying that a UNIX time of, for example, 60, represents 1:34 am on 1/1/1970 -- or represents 0:26 am? (Theoretically -- there were no leap seconds before 1970.) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul

Re: Tips for continuing DD statement with only one parameter field

2012-03-08 Thread Charles Mills
, 7 Mar 2012 19:04:40 -0800, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Well, who's counting indeed, but my JCL reference says The pathname: ... - Has a length of 1 through 255 characters. ... I stand corrected; I misread earlier in the same section: Each directory or filename: Is preceded

Re: Program FLIH backdoor - This is a criminal breach of security!

2012-03-08 Thread Charles Mills
an APF authorized program can do that. It can also create a backdoor (my definition) that any task in the system can walk through and get into supervisor state. That is the objection that was raised, and it is a very different matter. I should be smarter than to wade into this one but is it

Re: Tips for continuing DD statement with only one parameter field

2012-03-08 Thread Charles Mills
statement with only one parameter field On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:04:40 -0800, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Well, who's counting indeed, but my JCL reference says The pathname: ... - Has a length of 1 through 255 characters. ... I stand corrected; I misread earlier in the same section: Each

Re: Tips for continuing DD statement with only one parameter field

2012-03-08 Thread Charles Mills
Duh! The whole point of home directories. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Tips for continuing DD statement with only one

Re: Program FLIH backdoor - This is a criminal breach of security!

2012-03-08 Thread Charles Mills
@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Program FLIH backdoor - This is a criminal breach of security! On 3/8/2012 6:40 AM, Charles Mills wrote: From a non-technology point of view, we need some sort of industry agreement on what is good behavior in an authorized program. I am thinking of something like

Re: Program FLIH backdoor - This is a criminal breach of security!

2012-03-08 Thread Charles Mills
I will give it one more shot at trying to clarify what I mean. Witness this thread, reasonable people can disagree on what violates the statement of integrity means. One person's reasonable or only available technique is another person's violation. We could use some finer granularity. We could

Re: Good source for relationship of opcodes, models, MACHINE() and ARCH()

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. Great suggestion. I will do that when I am done. I am mentally committed to completing this, but it won't be this week. (Gotta get the talk ready for SHARE!) I have all of the tools and methodology I think. I am a Wikipedia member and have done edits before. Charles -Original

Tips for continuing DD statement with only one parameter field

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Mills
I've got several DD statements in a proc that have only a single parameter, PATH='long/path/name' Because the path is long the statement will not fit on a single card image (but the PATH parameter by itself will). So I coded //MYDDNAME DD // PATH='long/path/name' No good. It turns out the

Re: Tips for continuing DD statement with only one parameter field

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Mills
Ha! //MYDDNAME DD PATHDISP=, // PATH='long/path/name' works. Kinda silly, but it works. The SET symbol is not a bad idea also as there actually is a fair amount of commonality among the three paths, so I could factor out that common part into one SET symbol. Thanks, Charles -Original

Re: Interfacing with the MainFrame

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Mills
I have a lot of experience designing commercially successful products that ran with one foot on the mainframe and one foot on a little white box. Can you say (without divulging that which you are not willing to divulge) what in broad strokes the product is going to accomplish? Your 1. is a

Re: Interfacing with the MainFrame

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Mills
I should add that some (many?) shops ban FTP onto the mainframe, so that may be a problem with 2. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

Re: Tips for continuing DD statement with only one parameter field

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Mills
Yup. That's what I was referring to when I said I'm sure I could wrestle with the rules for continuing quoted parameters, but that makes an obscure, difficult to maintain mess IMHO. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of

Re: Tips for continuing DD statement with only one parameter field

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Mills
Many long threads here on that one ... What's worse, parm means two different things. There is a limit of 100 characters on the operand of PARM=. But I was referring to parameters in the more general sense of, as the manual says, The parameter field consists of two types of parameters:

Re: Tips for continuing DD statement with only one parameter field

2012-03-07 Thread Charles Mills
:47 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: On 7 March 2012 18:27, Charles Mills wrote: Many long threads here on that one ... What's worse, parm means two different things. There is a limit of 100 characters on the operand of PARM=. But I was referring to parameters in the more general sense

Re: Good source for relationship of opcodes, models, MACHINE() and ARCH()

2012-03-06 Thread Charles Mills
to the next. I have not yet come up with an approach other than using some tool to make each list into a single column -- but that's more work than I wanted to take on this morning. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles

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