Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:51:10 -0400, Bob Rutledge wrote:
From the z/OS V1.11 Preview,
In z/OS V1.11, DFSMSdfp processing is planned to be changed to
indicate
end-of-file (EOF) during
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:30:48 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote:
From the z/OS V1.11 Preview,
In z/OS V1.11, DFSMSdfp processing is planned to be changed to indicate
end-of-file (EOF) during the allocation of data sets on DASD that are not
SMS-managed and have either sequential or an
Hmmm. Makes me wonder if in Unix there is an recycle bin equivalent for
the rm command.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Edward Jaffe
edja...@phoenixsoftware.comwrote:
I like (and use) the UNDO editor command from time to time. I like (and
use) the Trash folder in Windows from time to
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Hmmm. Makes me wonder if in Unix there is an recycle bin
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:49:15 -0700, Guy Gardoit wrote:
Hmmm. Makes me wonder if in Unix there is an recycle bin equivalent for
the rm command.
mv -i some-file ~/.Trash/. # (OS X)
o You _could_ alias rm to that.
o I _hate_ when admins do that in .profile.comon
o Be careful when:
- A
Guy Gardoit schrieb:
Hmmm. Makes me wonder if in Unix there is an recycle bin equivalent for
the rm command.
no. KDE, GNOME, XFCE and so on have a recycle bin implemented, wich only
works if files are deleted with the filemanager of the desktop
environment (-- KDE, GNOME, etc).
But there is
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:03:19 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
wrote:
. . .
(From ancient experience and fading memory):
Even before SMS existed, DS1LSTAR was set to beginning-of-file
(Allocation wouldn't just leave the field uninitialized, would it?)
QSAM correctly reported EOF on
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:35:04 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:
Do you *not* use SMS for temporary data sets in your environment?
I'm confused:
15 //WORK DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,SPACE=(CYL,(10,10)),
// RECFM=U,BLKSIZE=32760
...
IGD100I 4159 ALLOCATED TO DDNAME WORK
Paul Gilmartin pisze:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:35:04 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:
Do you *not* use SMS for temporary data sets in your environment?
I'm confused:
15 //WORK DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,SPACE=(CYL,(10,10)),
// RECFM=U,BLKSIZE=32760
...
IGD100I 4159 ALLOCATED
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:35:04 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:
Do you *not* use SMS for temporary data sets in your environment?
I'm confused:
15 //WORK DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,SPACE=(CYL,(10,10)),
// RECFM=U,BLKSIZE=32760
...
IGD100I 4159 ALLOCATED
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:26:23 + Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:
:Can the residual data still be read with EXCP?
:If authorised, I believe.
APF not required. Just specify an address in the extent(s).
Of course, if OPEN is smart enough to only include the first track in the DEB
for the
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:24:28 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
One thing that absolutely should NOT be part of this kind of tool
would be the ability to allocate a dataset on top of the old
Not with SMS datasets. They get a virtual end-of-file at allocation, so
you can't accidently read the previous data.
I think that with EXCP you can read any data in the extexts.
Shai
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
kees.vern...@klm.comwrote:
Paul Gilmartin
Yes, if you want to, you can also with IDCAMS, DSS print etc.
You can't do it by accident anymore.
Kees.
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Not with SMS datasets. They get a virtual end-of-file at allocation,
so
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Paul
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:24:28 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
One thing that absolutely should NOT be part of this kind of tool
would be the ability to allocate a dataset on top of the old
deleted
dataset and access
: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:42 AM
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Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:24:28 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
One thing
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Yeah, sure, with a chainsaw etc...
I was talking about normal users that normally allocate a dataset and
normally try to read it. With SMS-datasets they will encounter an empty
file, with non-SMS they will read what is stil on the tracks
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:16:44 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote:
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Very true. We've had programmers start screaming because they run a
compile link. The compile fails and
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:16:44 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote:
McKown, John jmck...@healthmarkets.com wrote in message
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snip
This only true for non-SMS datasets. Are you
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:32:19 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote:
Do you believe the temporary DSN he used for SYSLIN was
SMS controlled?
Yes, why not? Ours are.
Now I'm confused. I had thought:
o SMS requires that datasets be catalogued.
o Temporary DSNs are not eligible to be catalogued.
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:32:19 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote
Of course, old timers have read tapes past EOF when we wanted to check
the bits and bytes.
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Here's an example from a recent compile/link job:
//SYSLIN DD DSN=LOADSET,DISP=(MOD,PASS),
// UNIT=(SYSDA),SPACE=(80,(1800,1200))
...
//SYSLIN DD DSN=LOADSET,DISP=(OLD,PASS)
IGD101I SMS ALLOCATED TO DDNAME (SYSLIN )
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Subject: Any product to undelete file?
HI,
Any product to undelete file which was deleted by mistake by a user
and
the
space for the deleted file was not used by other new
Since we don't have instantaneous backups at our shop, that statement is
ridiculous.
Neal
Guy Gardoit wrote:
If you've heard of many cases of files
being wrongly deleted without them being backed up, those cases are the
result of faulty DASD management.
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:05:39 -0400, Bill Fairchild
bi...@mainstar.com wrote:
Of course you can with EXCP or XDAP, neither of which requires
authorizatoin. ... Anyone who owns a data set that he doesn't want
someone else to be able to read after he deletes it needs to cause it
to be erased
Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote:
Yeah, sure, with a chainsaw etc...
I was talking about normal users that normally allocate a dataset and
normally try to read it. With SMS-datasets they will encounter an empty
file, with non-SMS they will read what is stil on the tracks from the
previous dataset.
Can the residual data still be read with EXCP?
If authorised, I believe.
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I, of course, was talking about established, useful production or test files
- not something someone just allocated 5 seconds ago. Thought that was
obvious but .
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Neal Scheffler n...@chrysler.com wrote:
Since we don't have instantaneous backups at our
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:51:10 -0400, Bob Rutledge wrote:
From the z/OS V1.11 Preview,
In z/OS V1.11, DFSMSdfp processing is planned to be changed to indicate
end-of-file (EOF) during the allocation of data sets on DASD that are not
SMS-managed and have either sequential or an undefined data set
List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:26 PM
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Subject: Re: Any product to undelete file?
Can the residual data still be read with EXCP?
If authorised, I believe.
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas
Guy Gardoit wrote:
No. Disturbingly inappropriate as well. z/OS isn't as simple as Windows,
at least, that's what I think. If you've heard of many cases of files
being wrongly deleted without them being backed up, those cases are the
result of faulty DASD management.
I like (and use)
Edward Jaffe wrote:
... I like (and use) the Trash folder in Windows from time to time...
Of course, I meant the Recycle Bin in Windows.
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Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:32:19 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote:
Do you believe the temporary DSN he used for SYSLIN was
SMS controlled?
Yes, why not? Ours are.
Now I'm confused...
Do you *not* use SMS for temporary data sets in your environment?
--
HI,
Any product to undelete file which was deleted by mistake by a user and the
space for the deleted file was not used by other new files in the disk? and we
do not have a backup, or up to date backup for the deleted file?
Thanks,
Shai
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Subject: Any product to undelete file?
HI,
Any product to undelete file which was deleted by mistake by a user
and
the
space for the deleted file was not used by other new files in the
disk?
and we
do not have a backup, or up to date backup for the deleted file
: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:35 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Any product to undelete file?
HI,
Any product to undelete file which was deleted by mistake by a user
and
the
space for the deleted file was not used by other new files in the
disk?
and we
do not have a backup
Shai Hess shai.h...@gmail.com wrote in message
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HI,
Any product to undelete file which was deleted by mistake by a user
and the
space for the deleted file was not used by other new files in the
disk? and we
do not have a backup, or up
,
Shai
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
kees.vern...@klm.comwrote:
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HI,
Any product to undelete file which was deleted
.
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Subject: Any product to undelete file?
HI,
Any product to undelete file which was deleted by mistake
And: can you also update the VTOCIX, VVDS and for VSAM: catalogs?
Kees
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From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Sent: donderdag 9 juli 2009 10:02
To: 'IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu'
Subject: Re: Any product to undelete file?
Some thoughts about it:
Depending on the location on the volume
Subject: Any product to undelete file?
HI,
Any product to undelete file which was deleted by mistake by a
user
and
the
space for the deleted file was not used by other new files in the
disk?
and we
do not have a backup, or up to date backup for the deleted file
the VTOCIX, VVDS and for VSAM: catalogs?
Kees
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From: Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Sent: donderdag 9 juli 2009 10:02
To: 'IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu'
Subject: Re: Any product to undelete file?
Some thoughts about it:
Depending on the location on the volume, the activity
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Subject: Any product to undelete file?
HI,
Any product to undelete file which was deleted by mistake by
a
user
and
the
space for the deleted file was not used by other new files in
the
disk?
and we
do not have a backup
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of shai hess
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:52 AM
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HI,
I want to develop an automatic process which will keep
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HI,
I want to develop an automatic process which will keep the
old VTOC entries
of files which were deleted. Using the undelete request, will
recreate
the VTOC DSCB1 record automatically.
I heard about many
On 9 Jul 2009 06:11:46 -0700, jmck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John)
wrote:
I had another reply to this, but it was a bit of a rant. So, I'll tone it
down.
How are people supposed to learn don't do that if we make it so that nothing
that they do can cause them any harm?
We don't give full
?
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From: shai hess
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Any product to undelete file?
No, I do not think about complicate process which will verify that the
data
is not overwrite. I think about situation when you press ENTER for
delete
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:22:24 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
kees.vern...@klm.com wrote:
...
A feature like a Recycle Bin could be useful without introducing too
much overhead. If a dataset is deleted, just keep it, but hide it by
administrating it in a Recycle Bin per volume. HSM could periodically
HI,
All your questions easily can be handle. And of course when I talked about
the idea of the utility I did not describe the full functionality of the
product in details because this utility is not exist yet.
And in one of the previous email I describe that I will check for the user
if other
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:10:15 -0700, shai hess shai.h...@gmail.com wrote:
...
All your questions easily can be handle. ...
The one part you cannot handle is that, in my opinion, this kind of
function should be implemented by IBM as part of HSM.
One thing that absolutely should NOT be part of
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:24:28 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe wrote:
One thing that absolutely should NOT be part of this kind of tool
would be the ability to allocate a dataset on top of the old deleted
dataset and access the data. This would be a huge security hole
(as others have said in this thread).
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