In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/08/2007
at 12:39 PM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
BTW: I was NetWare admin in 1995, AFAIK there was no z/OS, no even
OS/390, but MVS 5 in those days.
There was no MVS 5; There were various versions of MVS/SP, with an
eventual name change to MVS/ESA but retaining
On 7 May 2007 01:01:13 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
They can't understand when I say my last system outage was in 2003...
[...]
Unfortunately, the PFCSK's, with their squatty boxes, brag about how fast
they can re-boot!
We brag about how long the system
Anthony Saul Babonas wrote:
Please colleagues, allow my to clarify by stating :
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1. I do not believe other platforms are favoriteexpletive.
2. I am not arrogant and certainly not blind.
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Ted MacNEIL wrote:
They can't understand when I say my last system outage was in 2003...
[...]
Unfortunately, the PFCSK's, with their squatty boxes, brag about how fast they
can re-boot!
We brag about how long the system stays up!
In fact, I can't remember any PFCSK bragging how fast they
On Mon, 7 May 2007 10:00:44 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Windows nowadays doesn't need to be rebooted so frequently and - last but
not least - it is not the only PC-server system.
So, I think we're laughing at our idea of PC-world, not reality.
It's not good to underestimate the
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
Radoslaw,
I think that all the data that PH thought they would need, they
converted and FTP'd to the datacenter in Pennsylvania. The tapes that
they saved were data that they might need at some time. So far, I
don't know if they have needed to go back and use any of
Anthony Saul Babonas wrote:
[...]
About 10 years ago I took a couple of classes in Novell and deduced that
anyone with zOS sysprog background could
become a guru in 2-3 days.
You were wrong. Deeply wrong.
However I can feel some affinity between MVS and NetWare.
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz,
Actually I think 3-4 days is more like it.
Anthony Saul Babonas wrote:
[...]
About 10 years ago I took a couple of classes in Novell and deduced that
anyone with zOS sysprog background could
become a guru in 2-3 days.
You were wrong. Deeply wrong.
However I can feel some affinity between
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
One area that we had a lot of debate on at PH Mining was how to access
tapes that were saved. They saved a lot of 3490 carts, but had no way of
reading them. They thought of buying a 3490 drive and software to convert
the data to ASCII, but as far as I know, they didn't
: Mainframe Data Center Permanant Shutdown Procedure Needed
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
One area that we had a lot of debate on at PH Mining was how to
access
tapes that were saved. They saved a lot of 3490 carts, but had no
way
of
reading them. They thought of buying a 3490 drive and software
-os-file-exchange.html.
Ron
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To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe Data Center Permanant Shutdown Procedure Needed
One area that we
Ron,
The z/OS datacenter at PH Mining was shut down at the end of March 2006.
Both the CPU and the DASD went back to their respective vendors. We had
Hitachi Dasd - a 1 TB Lightning box. I don't think anyone thought of hooking
up that dasd to Unix boxes, but its been gone for over a year.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/03/2007
at 12:12 PM, Anthony Saul Babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
About 10 years ago I took a couple of classes in Novell and deduced
that anyone with zOS sysprog background could become a guru in
2-3 days.
FSVO guru. I pick up new software rather quickly, but I
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/03/2007
at 11:05 AM, Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
They also sent a couple of tapes to different places to be converted
to test out their services. They could convert the tape fairly
FSVO convert. Doing an EBCDIC-ASCII translation of non-EBCDIC data is
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 05/03/2007
at 11:24 AM, Pfeifer, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Univac U3
Wow! I haven't net many people with experience on that box.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html
We don't
It has now finally happened; our mainframe jobs have all been converted to PCs.
Only a few miscellaneous jobs will be run in the next 30 days. At the same
time, a company has acquired us and is interested in only our block of
business. All employees have been given their 90 days notice with a
: Mainframe Data Center Permanant Shutdown Procedure Needed
It has now finally happened; our mainframe jobs have all been converted
to PCs. Only a few miscellaneous jobs will be run in the next 30 days.
At the same time, a company has acquired us and is interested in only
our block of business. All
Ya--- I have a procedurebut your board of directors wouldn't like
it..
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] Mainframe Data Center Permanant Shutdown Procedure
Needed
It has now finally happened; our mainframe jobs have all been converted
to PCs. Only a few miscellaneous jobs will be run in the next 30 days.
At the same time, a company has acquired us and is interested in only
our block of business. All
Pfeifer, William wrote:
It has now finally happened; our mainframe jobs have all been converted to PCs.
Only a few miscellaneous jobs will be run in the next 30 days. At the same
time, a company has acquired us and is interested in only our block of
business. All employees have been given
Our mainframe will be replaced within the next 4 years. Lots of my
peers are retiring and working part time with the old system, which
will help tremendously with the rest wanting to be retrained. We
already have Oracle DBAs, so our non-retired IDMS DBA will just move
over (He has retired IDMS
One area that we had a lot of debate on at PH Mining was how to access
tapes that were saved. They saved a lot of 3490 carts, but had no way of
reading them. They thought of buying a 3490 drive and software to convert
the data to ASCII, but as far as I know, they didn't buy anything. I think
Bill,
First of all, congratulation and best wishes on your retirement. In your
case just some simple due diligence should suffice.
1. Get those letters out to the vendors (software /hardware) to cancel
the flow of monies outbound.
2. If all data has been converted to PC readable formant,
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe Data Center Permanant Shutdown Procedure Needed
Our mainframe will be replaced within the next 4 years. Lots of my
peers are retiring and working part time with the old system, which
will help tremendously with the rest wanting to be retrained. We
I'm curious. How difficult would it be a a zOS sysprog to become
proficient in a like type position on
a Windows or UNIX based system? I have heard these jobs being
referred to
as Network Administrators and I've always taken that to mean sysprog
in newspeak.
About 10 years ago I took a
AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: How difficult would it be for a SYSPROG ? (was RE:
Mainframe Data Center Permanant Shutdown Procedure Needed)
I'm curious. How difficult would it be a a zOS sysprog to become
proficient in a like type position on a Windows or UNIX based system?
I have
On 3 May 2007 12:12:44 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Levy) wrote:
I went through this exact route. I was a sysprog for a number of years
than transitioned over to software development on the mainframe. I moved
over to development on OS/2 and than windows. The tools and debuggers
made it quite a
I see things like customization overwritten by service (IE no equivalent of
PARMLIB concat). JCL will look easy after the various parms for the system
services. Some Unix systems are still archaic without add-on products.
Solaris 8 can only have 8 slices (sic) per hard disk but some are
They can't understand when I say my last system outage was in 2003...
There was an old DILBERT strip:
DOGBERT'S Technical Support:
DOGBERT answers the phone:
My PC is...
Shut up and re-boot
Hey! That worked!
Shut up and hang up!
..My call time is improving.
Unfortunately, the PFCSK's, with
snip-
I see things like customization overwritten by service (IE no equivalent of
PARMLIB concat). JCL will look easy after the various parms for the system
services. Some Unix systems are still archaic without add-on products.
Solaris 8 can only
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