Interesting article about Mainframes at Merrill Lynch
Merrill Lynch Co.: Living Legacy
We are making the mainframe strategic to our future. It's a fundamental
decision, he says. Back in the 1990s, it was trendy to say you were
migrating off the mainframe. Now, I couldn't predict when the
Absolutely fascinating.
Jon
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Interesting article about Mainframes at Merrill
said
it out load :-)
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This stimulates. Why should they not be able to run
David.Speake wrote:
This stimulates. Why should they not be able to run
UNIX/LINEX/AS400/Alpha-VMS or even Windows on Z chips without Z/OS or
VM. I
have no idea what the instruction set burned into the metal is like
nor how
I/O is really done at the hardware level. The ONLY metal instruction I
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/14/2006
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This stimulates. Why should they not be able to run
UNIX/LINEX/AS400/Alpha-VMS or even Windows on Z chips without Z/OS or
VM.
1. AIX/370 and IX/370 ran on older S/370 processorsl it wouldn't
take much
Some kind of military boat.
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Eight Jewish Korean Veterans
Jobs Going Away
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/14/2006
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This stimulates. Why should they not be able to run
UNIX/LINEX/AS400/Alpha-VMS or even Windows on Z chips without Z/OS or
VM.
1. AIX/370 and IX/370 ran on older S/370 processorsl
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:
1. AIX/370 and IX/370 ran on older S/370 processorsl it wouldn't
take much to get them up on zSeries if the source code were
still around and somebody cared.
aix/370 was port from ucla's locus (different heritage than the power
aix, which was a att
Speaking of Korvettes, anyone know what the name is purported to stand
for?
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In a recent note, Richards.Bob said:
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Give the man a Kewpie Doll!
Snopes calls this urban legend:
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Worked in two stores in Pennsylvania after college; one in Valley Forge
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This stimulates. Why should they not be able to run
UNIX/LINEX/AS400/Alpha-VMS or even Windows on Z chips without Z/OS or VM. I
have no idea what the instruction set burned into the metal is like nor how
I/O is really done at the hardware level. The ONLY metal instruction I know
of is SIE and I
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:32:03 -0700, Dean Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm thinking that somewhere around 1960 is the mainframe KT boundary. No
Dinosaurs were born after that date... ;-).
Regards,
Dean
not speaking for anyone but Dean
I dunno about that Dean, I wasn't born until 1961 ;-)
It was announced several days ago that Cell processors would be used in
servers. Who knows (lab knows) if also in z9+. z890 machines are great for
Linux workloads (remember, IFLs run there full speed regardless of regular
CP speed) in small shops. There is growing number of customers running Linux
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Another point to think about, IBM has stated in sessions (like Share)
that many of the smaller mainframes (z800 and z890) do not even run
z/OS. They are running new workloads like Linux and UNIX, either
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Steve Comstock wrote:
Urgency must be relative. You don't have to generate your
salary in the next two months, I would wager. I've traveled
halfway around the world to do training, some of it at IBM's
request (Kuwait
Ted, I cannot agree more. All my customers run workloads on mainframe
silently, in the background without problems. All distributed have problems,
sometimes bigger sometimes smaller. They are visible and get attention and
money. From time to time management asks what the h..l do they need
Timothy Sipples wrote:
Well, we've got 2800+ mips in 2 z990s running DB2 for SAP. We are in
the process of converting to run it all on Oracle, AIX and Pseries
servers. I don't deal with the financial end, but I'm told we'll be
saving lotsa $$.
It looks like I'll be hanging up my mainframe hat
Just had a brief conversation with one of our server gang ... mentioned
that they should try an IFL on the mainframe ... He claimed that a rep
(IBM?) was in once and stated that the 'processor speed' was only 900
MHz so couldn't really compete with what we were looking for. I also
mentioned that
I hope you've been reading this thread because this
is the real world I encounter. IBM seems to have no
sense of urgency over this, but I'm might close to
closing my doors after 30 years of being a self-employed
trainer and 7 years with IBM before that.
It's hard to predict the future precisely.
Timothy Sipples wrote:
I hope you've been reading this thread because this
is the real world I encounter. IBM seems to have no
sense of urgency over this, but I'm might close to
closing my doors after 30 years of being a self-employed
trainer and 7 years with IBM before that.
It's hard to
Steve Comstock wrote:
Urgency must be relative. You don't have to generate your
salary in the next two months, I would wager. I've traveled
halfway around the world to do training, some of it at IBM's
request (Kuwait, Denmark) some at my own initiative (Ireland,
Singapore). Love it. Enjoy the
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Urgency must be relative. You don't have to generate your
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I've heard that mainframe is going away talk for 15+ years,
haven't seen
one actually go away yet from any of the shops that have said it.
maybe what they mean is that the
360-30/370-135
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I guess when the urgency and panic arrives the people still
left working are going to be offered an obscene amount of
money not to jump ship when some other company who needs your
services makes
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Steve Comstock wrote:
Urgency must be relative. You don't have to generate your
salary in the next two months, I would
Mainframe jobs going away? They seem to be moving to India, Malaysia,
and/or China. I've seen only small mainframes displaced by Unix and/or
WinTel. The line between small and big seems to be around 120 MIPS
(but is inching upward). Big mainframes seem to just get bigger.
Tom
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Robert,
snipped
Mainframes are going away. We probably had 30 shops or more in the
Milwaukee area when I started at PH 21 years ago. Now there are
between 10 and 15. Granted, some of the companies still run
mainframes - just not in Milwaukee. I
Eric,
What about Kohls Dept Stores? Are they still headquartered in your area? I
worked on
setting up their data center 20 years ago when they did a leveraged buyout at
the time my
then current employer decided to get out of the retail holding company
business. I must
say that they did
Just wondering Are there any 'new' mainframe shops/installations
out there? Or is IBM just selling new frames (z990 z9) to users of
older technology? Back a few years I would imagine a shop on x or i
series eventually outgrowing these and moving 'up' to a z series. Today
are they more
to the department head, but haven't heard anything.
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Will we ever see a 3Ghz mainframe? Who knows, the z890/z990/System z9
go a long way to bringing Linux workloads back to the mainframe.
Customers that were upset at performance back in the G5 days should give
it another try, it has become much better. What sort of workload do you
want to run
IMHO, mainframes are going away, at least as we have known them.
Both Steve and Timothy (plus many others) make some very interesting
points. Corporations seem to be overlooking the fact that many of us
older IT workers (I first started on the S/360 when it was fairly new)
will retire in the
Our mainframe is *NOT* going away plus we have openings..
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Robert,
I'm very aware of Kohls. A good friend of mine who left PH in the
late 90's is still there. I keep telling him to retire, but he says
he's going to work 3 more years till he's 65. I
Desi de la Garza wrote:
Our mainframe is *NOT* going away plus we have openings..
Great! Need any applications programmer training? Contact me off-list.
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I'm very aware of Kohls. A good friend of mine who left PH in the
late 90's is still there. I keep telling him to retire, but he says
he's going to work 3 more years till he's 65. I guess another guy is
close to retirement age
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Too bad, I forget the names that I knew, most came from GIMBELS
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Gimbels... Now there is a name I have not heard in years Next you'll
mention Lit's. :(
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It's also hard to say what the geographic distribution will be
like. I've
joked about the fact that if you know the Chinese language and
mainframes
then you have a job guarantee, but I think
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Perhaps one can look at it as another Y2K opportunity... possibly an extended
one.
I'm thinking that somewhere around 1960 is the mainframe KT boundary. No
Dinosaurs were born after that date... ;-).
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Dean
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Or Wanamakers, or Lord and Taylor, or EJ Korvettes. grin
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I'm thinking that somewhere around 1960 is the mainframe KT boundary. No
Dinosaurs were born after that date... ;-).
I know of a 34-year old one.
When I was working for ScotiaBank, we transferred three operations types into
tech support. One as a SYSPROG: two as perf/cap.
All they had to do
What is a KT boundary (guess I'm too young to know)?
Never too young to know. the KT Event was the asteroid (or whatever)
that spelled the end of the dinosaur era 65M years ago.
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/back3.html
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From: Dean Kent
I guess when the urgency and panic arrives the people still left
working are going to be offered an obscene amount of money not to jump
ship when some other company who needs your services makes obscene job
offers.
Perhaps one can look at it as another Y2K opportunity...
By the KT Boundary, I think he is referring to the line between the
Cretaceous and Tertiary periods. Paleontology reference.
Jon
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What is a KT boundary (guess I'm too young to know)?
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Well, we've got 2800+ mips in 2 z990s running DB2 for SAP. We are in
the process of converting to run it all on Oracle, AIX and Pseries
servers. I don't deal with the financial end, but I'm told we'll be
saving lotsa
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Since I mentioned Gimbels, It had four separate divisions
(Phila,NY,Pittsburg,Milwaulkee(sp?) plus Saks Fifth Ave all with
mainframe sites. Only
Saks(I think) remains under different ownership
The Y2K (non-)fiasco left a bad taste in a lot of mouths.
You know. I've always believed we shot ourselves in the foot over Y2K.
If we had just screwed up a bit we could have justified a bit more.
But, we made the mistake of doing our job too well.
It's ironic. If we'd fouled up and fixed it, we
Boscov's Dept Stores LLc
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Gimbels used to have several stores
Well, we've got 2800+ mips in 2 z990s running DB2 for SAP. We are in
the process of converting to run it all on Oracle, AIX and Pseries
servers. I don't deal with the financial end, but I'm told we'll be
saving lotsa $$.
It looks like I'll be hanging up my mainframe hat (98% of it) sometime
in
From: Timothy Sipples
:
: Funny, Baldor Electric runs a 100% mainframe SAP installation (using Linux
: on z and DB2 z/OS) and spends less that just about anyone running SAP on
: anything. And they have the total cost numbers to prove it.
: ...
: I would also rerun the numbers with zIIP. That
I just got back from a COMA (Computer Operations Management
Association) meeting. I thought it interesting that two other
companies from the Milwaukee area were also getting rid of their
mainframes. One in September, and one in an indefinite period of
time. I won't name names as I don't
Ours is going away too has been for about 7 years and 2 upgrade ago.
The current plan is that will REALLY be gone in 3 years.
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Ours is going away too has
Rugen, Len wrote:
Ours is going away too has been for about 7 years and 2 upgrade ago.
The current plan is that will REALLY be gone in 3 years.
kinda like ours then ... we're on year 16 of our 5-year plan to get off
of our mainframe ... we've moved two of our major applications (HR and
I've heard that mainframe is going away talk for 15+ years, haven't seen
one actually go away yet from any of the shops that have said it.
maybe what they mean is that the
360-30/370-135/4341/3033/3081/3090/9021/9672/z900 mainframe is going away to
be replaced with z990s and z9-109s.
let's
OK, Tim Sipples,
I hope you've been reading this thread because this
is the real world I encounter. IBM seems to have no
sense of urgency over this, but I'm might close to
closing my doors after 30 years of being a self-employed
trainer and 7 years with IBM before that.
I feel the urgency! I
kinda like ours then ... we're on year 16 of our 5-year plan to get off
of our mainframe ...
Now I find this quite comical, this is about the way most migration plans
go.,...
year 400 of a six month plan to get off of the mainframe.
some idiot says, we're getting off the mainframe, only
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