Restoring data backed up with AIX.

2009-09-24 Thread MASSIMO BIANCUCCI
Hi everybody, a simple problem ! :) I have a couple of 3590 cartridges written on an AIX system and, as Murphy law states, I've not a 3590 unit anymore attached to the AIX system. Of course I could read the cartridges in a zOS env, but the question is: Is there any meaningful process to read

Re: JES3 SDSF

2009-09-24 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
Eduardo Henrique Rocha wrote: Has anyone been able to use SDSF with JES3 ? Are you running z/OS R10 ? -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

new z390 web page to display J2SE java version on any system

2009-09-24 Thread Don Higgins
The open source java based portable mainframe assembler z390 and COBOL compiler zcobol are designed to run on any system with J2SE java runtime 1.6 or higher as the only pre-requisite. To that end a new webpage has been developed designed to run on any operating system and web browser that

migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level

2009-09-24 Thread larry macioce
I know several of you on here have migrated from unsupported levels of one z/OS to a supported level, but in reading the planning guide I see: If you are migrating to z/OS V1R11 from z/OS V1R8 or earlier, you are migrating from a release that is no longer supported for migration. Contact your IBM

Re: Restoring data backed up with AIX.

2009-09-24 Thread Staller, Allan
How about FTP (Binary) from z/OS tape to AIX and then restore? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of MASSIMO BIANCUCCI Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Restoring data backed up with

Re: Sharing Data between SMSPLEXES.

2009-09-24 Thread Darth Keller
Has anyone asked why the original poster has 2 SMSPlexes? His cleanest solution might be to merge the 2. Sounds like he has at least some shared DASD - in a previous incarnation, we had a similar situation and I did NOT want 2 SMSPlexes controlling volumes. So I 'merged' the code - basically

Re: migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level

2009-09-24 Thread Staller, Allan
Presuming you are recent enough to have SMS, catalogs should not be a problem. z/OS 1.11 should support all of the 1.8 and below structure(s). In short, IBM's position is that things will not inter-operate more than n-2 levels apart. This forces you into a cold turkey migration. Discard

Re: JES3 SDSF

2009-09-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:09:43 -0500, Eduardo Henrique Rocha ehro...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone been able to use SDSF with JES3 ? I tried a variety of different options on the ISFPRM00 and i still get those unbearable NOT AUTHORIZED FOR JOB messages, even for the jobs I have submitted myself. Do

Re: migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level

2009-09-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:40:28 -0400, larry macioce mace1...@gmail.com wrote: I know several of you on here have migrated from unsupported levels of one z/OS to a supported level, but in reading the planning guide I see: If you are migrating to z/OS V1R11 from z/OS V1R8 or earlier, you are

CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread esmie moo
Good Morning Gentle Readers,   It is quite a mystery to me as to why several tapes are not expired even though it has  the EXPDT  = 2009/244.  The tapes were expired (via CA 1 / ISPF)  on August 31, 2009.  I verified if the TMS jobs which scratch the tapes were executed and I received

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread Darth Keller
EDM flag set? Vault Code? Multi-file tape? Might be helpful if you could include the record. ddk It is quite a mystery to me as to why several tapes are not expired even though it has the EXPDT = 2009/244. The tapes were expired (via CA 1 / ISPF) on August 31, 2009. I verified if

R: Restoring data backed up with AIX.

2009-09-24 Thread MASSIMO BIANCUCCI
My main doubt about that is what's the right way to read the data from the tape (DITTO, IEBGENER maybe not). Thanks a lot. -Messaggio originale- Da: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] Per conto di Staller, Allan Inviato: giovedì 24 settembre 2009 14.18 A:

Re: Sharing Data between SMSPLEXES.

2009-09-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:30:38 -0500, Darth Keller darth.kel...@assurant.com wrote: Has anyone asked why the original poster has 2 SMSPlexes? His cleanest solution might be to merge the 2. Good point. Sounds like he has at least some shared DASD - in a previous incarnation, we had a similar

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread esmie moo
Darth,   I did an inquiry on a tape and it is not Multi-file.  The outcode is VMS which means that they are still offsite. Below is some information:   FLAG1  = E0 FLAG2  = C0   FLAG3  = 20  BATCHID= 0E = TMSUPDTE FLAG4  = 00 FLAG5  = 00   FLAG6  = 00  HOOKID = FE

Re: FTPS rc = 406 (Error while reading or writing data)

2009-09-24 Thread Finley, Frank
Thank you for the pointers, It looks like the issue is resolving back to the server side running explicit FTPS on port 990 rather than implicit which is what you would normally expect on that port. Apparently this was done to get around some firewall limitations with the normal port 21. Is

Re: Restoring data backed up with AIX.

2009-09-24 Thread Staller, Allan
I don't think you should translate the data in any way. FTP directly from tape to AIX. MVS can do this. You may or may not have shop rules that prevent FTP from tape. HTH, snip My main doubt about that is what's the right way to read the data from the tape (DITTO, IEBGENER maybe not). Thanks a

OMVS INIT WAIT

2009-09-24 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi In our production LPAR I had a terrible experience(you can't restart the system, it has worked 10 minutes before ) After some DISK errors I made an IPL , but TCPIP etc. has not started , and after a while of panic I have seen the OMVS is in init wait : OMVS 000E ETC/INIT WAIT In

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread John Kington
Esmie, I did an inquiry on a tape and it is not Multi-file. The outcode is VMS which means that they are still offsite. Below is some information: The blankVMS code in the the outcode means that the tape was sent offsite via the vaulting portion of CA1 and should be returned to the tape

Re: OMVS INIT WAIT

2009-09-24 Thread Terri E Shaffer
Depending on how you have the ZFS address space option setup. ZFS files need to do recovery if errors/verifications are required and require RDRW. There was an PTF about 1 yrs ago that allowed romount_recovery=on option to be set in the IOEPRMxx, to perform this task even if the file system

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Scott Rowe
[rant] This whole thread really irks me. Simply the idea that a program might move a variable length string without first checking for limits is just appalling. I would be pretty ashamed if I found I had done that in any of my personal programs, let alone any code I wrote when I was working

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread esmie moo
John,   The tape librarian did confirm that it was run and it is run daily.  Most probably a manual update must be made in CA-1 to change the OUTCODE. --- On Fri, 9/25/09, John Kington john.king...@convergys.com wrote: From: John Kington john.king...@convergys.com Subject: Re: CA-1 QUESTION :

Re: OMVS INIT WAIT

2009-09-24 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:12:21 +0200, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Hi In our production LPAR I had a terrible experience(you can't restart the system, it has worked 10 minutes before ) After some DISK errors I made an IPL , but TCPIP etc. has not started , and

Re: OMVS INIT WAIT

2009-09-24 Thread Paolo Cacciari
Miklos wrote: ...snip In our production LPAR I had a terrible experience(you can't restart the system, it has worked 10 minutes before ) After some DISK errors I made an IPL , but TCPIP etc. has not started , and after a while of panic I have seen the OMVS is in init wait : OMVS 000E

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread Brian Fraser
You will need to set EDMID=' ' and also FLAG3=00 These field tell CA-1 that the tape is externally managed, so CA-1 will not return the tape to scratch. Brian On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:01 PM, esmie moo esmie_...@yahoo.ca wrote: Darth, I did an inquiry on a tape and it is not Multi-file.

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Robert Birdsall
OK - I was regretting my post somewhat, but perhaps this will reduce the pain: APF authorized programs can be called from JCL, from a TSO TMP and from Unix System Services. For TSO and -perhaps?- USS (note context) the specific programs that can be called is restricted. The programs that can

Re: OMVS INIT WAIT

2009-09-24 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Thank you, I understand this. I would like to have some message if this kind of wait occurs . I have noticed that something wrong, as I got some FSS messages . Paolo Cacciari wrote: Miklos wrote: ...snip In our production LPAR I had a terrible experience(you can't restart the system,

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread P S
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: [rant] This whole thread really irks me.  Simply the idea that a program might move a variable length string without first checking for limits is just appalling.  I would be pretty ashamed if I found I had done that in

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Lou Losee
The problem is that in many companies the pressure is to make the schedule rather than to write robust code. Additionally, the knowledge base of competent z/OS programmers grows smaller each year. I have encountered numerous cases of this and other 'appalling' coding practices during

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Howard Brazee
On 24 Sep 2009 06:33:24 -0700, scott.r...@joann.com (Scott Rowe) wrote: [rant] This whole thread really irks me. Simply the idea that a program might move a variable length string without first checking for limits is just appalling. I would be pretty ashamed if I found I had done that in any

SV: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Thomas Berg
Following this thread a while now and although some missing competence (me) it seems to me that Binyamin Dissen had the most practical suggestion. My only input is: keep it simple, keep it general. Regards, Thomas Berg __ Thomas Berg Specialist

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
It sounds like you probably have the answer from the people who posted answers. Another thing to consider is just call CA1 support. In my dealings with CA1, they provide very good service. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message -

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread John Kington
Esmie, Oops, Brian is right about the external data manager being the culprit. My apologies for not looking at your email closely. Regards, John You will need to set EDMID=' ' and also FLAG3=00 These field tell CA-1 that the tape is externally managed, so CA-1 will not return the tape to

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:04:42 +0100, Terry Sambrooks wrote: 2) With my bias set aside, I acknowledge that the existing two byte prefix associated with EXEC PARM data is capable of holding a length up to 65535 (X'') although this may appear negative depending upon field definition. As an

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: John Kington john.king...@convergys.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE Esmie, Oops, Brian is right about the external data manager being the culprit. My

Re: JES3 SDSF

2009-09-24 Thread John Kelly
snip Has anyone been able to use SDSF with JES3 ? /snip But why would you use SDSF on JES3, it's bad enough on JES2 and EJES does better, is cheaper and ... Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread P S
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: As an experiment, I tried calling BPXBATCH from Rexx with a 65535-byte parm (x'' in the length field).  It executed without error, and correctly processed the entire PARM string. VERY interesting. So a poorly

Re: NEON zPrime webinar

2009-09-24 Thread Gord Tomlin
There was a question about indemnifying users, but the answer was given very quickly. Jeff Holst wrote: The remarks I have seen from IBM seem to be saying that if a company runs software that allows software to run on specialty engines (ZIIPs or ZAAPs) that IBM did not intend to be permitted

Re: FTPS rc = 406 (Error while reading or writing data)

2009-09-24 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Finley, Frank wrote: Thank you for the pointers, It looks like the issue is resolving back to the server side running explicit FTPS on port 990 rather than implicit which is what you would normally expect on that port. Apparently this was done to get around some firewall limitations with the

Re: Long parms...again

2009-09-24 Thread john gilmore
Christ Craddock's point is ineluctable. Well before the Y2K problem had been recognized by hoi polloi IBM guaranteed that the CICS Command-Level EIB (Execution Interface Block) would not be altered in a way that would break old CICS APs, in effect that old DSECTs/templates would continue to

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread John Kelly
I erred when I said the vault code wouldn't hurt. It'll have to be hex zeros for scratch Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) From: John Kelly john_j_ke...@ao.uscourts.gov To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 09/24/2009 11:15 AM Subject: Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE Sent by: IBM Mainframe

Re: migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level

2009-09-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I suspect if you are far enough back, the only really safe way to convert to 1.11 is to do either an FDR or DFDSS backup of everything, just before the initial IPL of 1.11. Going forward is never an issue, its coming back that can be a problem. By doing backups of everything, you can restore

Re: NEON zPrime webinar

2009-09-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I didn't hear anything either that Neon said they would pay for the charges if IBM billed them. If that happened, obviously one would be better off without the product, as they wouldn't save anything, plus they had to pay for zPrime. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Re: CA-1 QUESTION : TAPE DOES NOT EXPIRE

2009-09-24 Thread John Kelly
snip You will need to set EDMID=' ' and also FLAG3=00 /snip This assumes that your external tape manager doesn't need to scratch the tape. Tapes seem old so maybe HPDM isn't around any more. The Outcode just meant that the volume was checked in but not read. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office)

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Hal Merritt
CERT alert? Bugs in authorized programs cause problems all the time. IBM even has a 'red alert' newsletter to quickly inform the community when a bug in their code poses a serious threat. This is a key reason why update access to authorized libraries has to be tightly controlled.

Re: NEON zPrime webinar

2009-09-24 Thread Ken Porowski
What I got out of the presentation was that NEON reviewed publically available contracts from IBM (yours may be different of course) and there was nothing explicitly stated in the contracts limiting the workloads that could be run on a zIIP/zAAP. There may have been wording as to Designated

Re: migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level

2009-09-24 Thread mace1953
thank you for the replies I am coming from 1.6. I thought about 1.10 and then thought what the heck go to the latest and greatest one cant be much different than the other.Mark I will go over the presentation thanks Larry On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Eric Bielefeld

Re: NEON zPrime webinar

2009-09-24 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Holst Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: NEON zPrime webinar The remarks I have seen from IBM seem to be saying that if a company

Re: migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level

2009-09-24 Thread mace1953
Something I read in the planning guide and was brought up again in the share presentation was the COD. Will I need it to lay down my serverpac or can my 1.6 system do that? thanks Larry On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:39 AM, mace1953 mace1...@gmail.com wrote: thank you for the replies I am coming

Re: Sharing Data between SMSPLEXES.

2009-09-24 Thread brianmfraser
Thanks everyone for your input. Has anyone asked why the original poster has 2 SMSPlexes? His cleanest solution might be to merge the 2. Good point. The bronze sysplex is fairly recently merged from seperate sysplexes to take advantage of licensing savings. Merging the 2 completely to a

Re: migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level

2009-09-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
One other thing to think of. I believe 1.11 is just being released, or will be released in the next few days. I assume it will take you at least 3 to 6 months to get this to the point where you will be putting it into production. Make sure you collect all of the maintenance, or at least the

Re: migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level

2009-09-24 Thread John Eells
As you can see from the z/OS R11 driving system requirements at: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/E0Z2B1A0/3.2?SHELF=EZ2ZBK0HDT=20090805163148 You need a z/OS R9 or higher system to install z/OS R11. The COD always supplies a supported driving system level for

Re: NEON zPrime webinar

2009-09-24 Thread Hal Merritt
Indeed - I'm already hearing of software vendors wanting to charge based on the total machine size to include the specialty engines. If they succeed, then I guess it would behoove the poor customer to somehow make sure the product actually runs on the specialty engines as well as any other

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread zoswork
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com wrote: CERT alert? Bugs in authorized programs cause problems all the time. IBM even has a 'red alert' newsletter to quickly inform the community when a bug in their code poses a serious threat. This is a key reason why

New paper from The Trainer's Friend

2009-09-24 Thread Steve Comstock
I just finished writing a new semi-technical paper, Creating Modern Business Computer Applications on z/OS. (The subtitle is: It's Not Rocket Science, But It's Not Easy.) This paper is an attempt to point out how even fundamental products (ISPF, Assembler, COBOL, and more) have changed and why

Re: Backing Up Linux Volumes

2009-09-24 Thread Patti Horne
Any idea what the APAR number is for this issue? Patti Horne Senior Systems Programmer Enterprise Storage Management (414) 577-9520 or 6-9520 patti.ho...@metavante.com larry macioce

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Lou Losee
I doesn't have to be an end user interface, and you don't need update access. Almost everyone has read access and can invoke authorized code in authorized libraries. Lou Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity Sent from Gurnee, IL, United States On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:23

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Scott Rowe
I understand the concerns, but this sounds like a good reason for all ISVs to review their code. Consider the case of user key common storage: that took a while to get code clean, but it was a good thing, and worth the effort. My point is that there is no 100 byte limit on the interface,

Re: JES3 SDSF

2009-09-24 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:51:05 -0400, John Kelly john_j_ke...@ao.uscourts.gov wrote: snip Has anyone been able to use SDSF with JES3 ? /snip But why would you use SDSF on JES3, it's bad enough on JES2 and EJES does better, is cheaper and ... And does not require MQseries to DA properly in a

RES: JES3 SDSF

2009-09-24 Thread ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO
Not MQSeries but RMF. Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos Ituriel do Nascimento Neto Banco Bradesco S/A 4254 - DPCD Engenharia de Software Sistemas Operacionais Mainframes Tel: 55 11 4197-2021 R: 22021 Fax: 55 11 4197-2814 |-Mensagem original- |De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level

2009-09-24 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: larry macioce mace1...@gmail.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:43 AM Subject: migration to 1.11 from an unsupported level I know several of you on here have migrated from unsupported levels of one z/OS to a supported

Re: Long parms...again

2009-09-24 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of john gilmore Christ Craddock's point is ineluctable. Well before the Y2K problem had been recognized by hoi polloi IBM guaranteed that the CICS Command- Level EIB (Execution Interface Block) would not be

Re: Backing Up Linux Volumes

2009-09-24 Thread larry macioce
Sorry I don't, but you might be able to search the archives as I thought I saw it here. I want to say I saw the problem very early in the year and IBM was to have an apar out mid year.Larry On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Patti Horne patti.ho...@metavante.comwrote: Any idea what the APAR

Re: FTPS rc = 406 (Error while reading or writing data)

2009-09-24 Thread Frank Swarbrick
In your SYSFTPD DD or equivalent specify: TLSPORT 0 ; don't treat port 990 as implicit TLS -- Frank Swarbrick Applications Architect - Mainframe Applications Development FirstBank Data Corporation - Lakewood, CO USA P: 303-235-1403 On 9/24/2009 at 7:03 AM, in message

Re: Long parms...again

2009-09-24 Thread Jousma, David
Christ Craddock's point is ineluctable. Funny coming from a guy who takes great pains to use the English language correctly.must be the second coming... _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Services

Slow FTPS thruput

2009-09-24 Thread Neal Eckhardt
We are implementing FTPS, and noticed a breath-taking increase in the time it takes to transfer a file. A 20 megabyte file takes about 9 seconds to transfer without TLS and about 160 seconds with TLS. The transfer rates are about 130 kbytes/sec with TLS and almost 2000 Kbytes/sec without. Are

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:06:01 -0400, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: I understand the concerns, but this sounds like a good reason for all ISVs to review their code. ... Not just ISV; shops should review their own code, too. My point is that there is no 100 byte limit on the

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information) On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:06:01

Re: Long parms ... again

2009-09-24 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip--- I would hope that I would never do that, either. However, for code that uses an interface that has been unchanged for 45 years with a 100-byte limit, I'm not sure I'd be quite that hard on someone whose code copied the

Re: JES3 SDSF

2009-09-24 Thread Eduardo Henrique Rocha
Just wanted to try it out. And Yes, I'm running Z1.10. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: Long parms...again

2009-09-24 Thread Andy Wood
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:01:01 -0500, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com wrote: . . . EIBDATE is, and has been long enough to be forever, a four byte packed-decimal field. From SDFHMAC: EIBDATE DSPL4 DATE IN 0CYYDDD+ FORMAT, * where C is the

Re: Slow FTPS thruput

2009-09-24 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:19:14 -0500, Neal Eckhardt neckha...@penntraffic.com wrote: ... A 20 megabyte file takes about 9 seconds to transfer without TLS and about 160 seconds with TLS. The transfer rates are about 130 kbytes/sec with TLS and almost 2000 Kbytes/sec without. Are there any

Long parms...again

2009-09-24 Thread john gilmore
Jousma, David (david.jou...@53.com) writes of my use of ineluctable that it is 'funny from a guy who takes great pains to use the English language correctly'. Mr. Jousma may well have his own view of what this word means, but in standard English it means impossible to avoid. John Gilmore

Re: Slow FTPS thruput

2009-09-24 Thread Clark, Kevin
Neal, What TLS are you using TLS-128 or TLS 256? I believe once you go over 128; the overhead is significant without a Crypto processor. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Neal Eckhardt Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:08 +1200 on 09/23/2009, Gainsford, Allen wrote about Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information): Any programmers who abide by these statements are not producing defective code. They are following IBM's rules. Increasing the PARM length will break perfectly valid

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 19:50 -0500 on 09/22/2009, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information): For a good example of how your primary mode programs can pass parameters, consider the way the system uses a register to pass information in the PARM field of an EXEC

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:11:34 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: This provides a way to support PARMX while staying compatible with PARM (and programs that use it). If PARMX is not supplied in the JCL, act as now. If there is a PARMX pass a 2 FW list in R1 (with the second FW flagged as

Re: Long parms ... again

2009-09-24 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:43:31 -0500 Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote: :snip--- :I would hope that I would never do that, either. However, for code that :uses an interface that has been unchanged for 45 years with a 100-byte

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Andy Wood
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:23:26 -0400, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote: . . . There is an extensive discussion of the long PARM topic in the archives starting on May 12,2005, under the subjects PARM= and Re: PARM= . While this was being investigated, Karl Schmitz decided to look at

Re: Long parms ... again

2009-09-24 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- snip :There's no excuse for knowing what you're doing and PLANNING AHEAD. I've :always coded my programs with the assumption that the parm field might :be as long as 255 bytes, the max that can be described in a single byte. Is this tongue in cheek? The

Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities

2009-09-24 Thread Howard Rifkind
Wonderful, Now, after all these skills are acquired and these newbies without any practical experience, entering a VERY limited mainframe market place are competing with experience systems programmers with years of experience...what happen? Want cheap..hire a newbie low salary and what not.

Re: Long parms...again

2009-09-24 Thread Gord Tomlin
Read it again John: ' Christ Craddock's point is ineluctable. Funny coming from a guy who takes great pains to use the English language correctly.must be the second coming...' It had nothing to do with the use of ineluctable, it was the big job promotion you gave to Chris(t) Craddock!

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Mark Zelden
What happens if the length of this thread exceeds 100 posts? Will listserv 0C4? :-) -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at

Re: Slow FTPS thruput

2009-09-24 Thread Hal Merritt
As others noted, encryption/decryption is not cheap. But FTP is IO intensive over a very slow path, so transmission times ought not be impacted all that much. I would suspect that network data compression facilities are being defeated. Because of the tiny block sizes used on many networks

Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities

2009-09-24 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:31 -0700, Howard Rifkind ibm_m...@yahoo.com wrote: ... Want cheap..hire a newbie low salary and what not. Want to get the job done pick an experience sysprog. ... Ok. 2 not particularly compatable problems: 1. a large number of experienced programmers out of work 2.

Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities

2009-09-24 Thread Ken Porowski
Key in mainframe at http://www.google.com/insights/search/# Kind of hard to pick a search term that results with anything other than India at the top. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Thursday,

Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities

2009-09-24 Thread DeGhelder, James
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:31 -0700, Howard Rifkind ibm_m...@yahoo.com wrote: ... Want cheap..hire a newbie low salary and what not. Want to get the job done pick an experience sysprog. ... Well 25 years ago the same decisions had to be made and that was when the American Universities were

Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities

2009-09-24 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: Patrick O'Keefe patrick.oke...@wamu.net Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:31

Re: Long parms ... again

2009-09-24 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip--- :Granted that guns have safeties (most of them, anyway). But if you have :to worry about whether it's on or off, you're already doing something :very wrong. :There's no excuse for knowing what you're doing and

Re: RES: JES3 SDSF

2009-09-24 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:24:36 -0300, ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO 4254.itur...@bradesco.com.br wrote: Not MQSeries but RMF. Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos That you need RMF to use DA I agree But i thought you could not display the latest lines of output of say a CICS STC in another lpar in

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:11:34 -0400 Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: :At 19:50 -0500 on 09/22/2009, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: Long :parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information): :For a good example of how your primary mode programs :can pass parameters, consider the

Re: RES: JES3 SDSF

2009-09-24 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:00:34 -0500, Bruno Sugliani oldti...@wanadoo.fr wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:24:36 -0300, ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO 4254.itur...@bradesco.com.br wrote: Not MQSeries but RMF. Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos That you need RMF to use DA I agree But i thought you could

Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities

2009-09-24 Thread Howard Rifkind
Everything being said; where are the new mainframe installations? You need those in order to fill jobs for both newbies and experience sysprogs. --- On Thu, 9/24/09, Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: From: Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: IBM Program To Help Students

Re: Long parms...again

2009-09-24 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of john gilmore Jousma, David (david.jou...@53.com) writes of my use of ineluctable that it is 'funny from a guy who takes great pains to use the English language correctly'. Mr. Jousma may well have his own view

Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities

2009-09-24 Thread Scott Ford
After being a sysprog for 20+ and a consultant when the rates wer All, After being a sysprog for 20+ and a consultant when the rates were good, over $65 an hr in NYC , I agree with Tom. The bottom fell out of the consulting market , a lot of companies also figured well they didnt ppl like us.

Re: Long parms ... again

2009-09-24 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip Rick propably felt that 255 was sufficient for his purposes. And it is the max number in a single byte, for loading with an IC instruction. And it is the max number which can be MVC'ed using an EX instruction to a

Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities

2009-09-24 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip- Wonderful, Now, after all these skills are acquired and these newbies without any practical experience, entering a VERY limited mainframe market place are competing with experience systems programmers with years of

No NIP console with 2074

2009-09-24 Thread Glen Gasior
* Has anyone experienced no NIP console and no MASTER console with an IBM 2074 ? * During a D/R exercise the NIP console failed to appear on the PCOM emulator. It was available at the HMC software console. The IPL proceeded using the HMC console and after the Communication Server was started,

Re: IBM Program To Help Students Gain Critical Mainframe Skills Grows To More Than 600 Universities

2009-09-24 Thread Scott Ford
Yep Rick, i agree the mainframe is not 'point and shoot' like a PC..Education is great as long as you have experience to go along with it. Scott J Ford www.identityforge.com   From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent:

Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information)

2009-09-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I think its long past 100 posts. It only 0C4's after 256 posts! Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com Subject: Re: Long parms ... again (was: Reading DD card information) What

Re: No NIP console with 2074

2009-09-24 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip- * Has anyone experienced no NIP console and no MASTER console with an IBM 2074 ? * During a D/R exercise the NIP console failed to appear on the PCOM emulator. It was available at the HMC software console. The IPL proceeded

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