Jon Brock wrote:
Thanks for the tip. I have avoided FROMNETWORK in the past since we
haven't configured cryptographic services, but I may give it a shot next
time.
Crypto services (ICSF) takes half an hour to establish.
Assumed you have crypto HW enabled
Planning not included
Learning not in
esday, May 06, 2008 1:36 PM
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No it doesn't, but check back thru the archives for the past 6 months.
I had an issue where I don't have crypto, either in hardware or in the
appropriate level of JAVA, and hit some snags due to
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Does the Internet receive still require cryptographic services?
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I still despise VSAM at times. Like right now due to not being able to
"share" an open VSAM file across z/OS images. Granted, this is a
documented restriction. But our programmers don't really care, they just
want VSAM to work the way that __they__ want it
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> > I still despise VSAM at times
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> > On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:27:41 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
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> > >I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being
> > forced to
> > >use i
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TSO line edit? XEDIT?
Just out of curiosity, which editor supports that syntax. I know ISPF
would use "c all Unix VSAM" and I have a vague recollection of vi or
some Unix editor using "s/Unix/VSAM" but I've never seen the two mixed
before.
.
.
.
One uses the most convenient tools available.
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> Strange, I could have sworn you were one of the vocal
> dissenters when IBM did away with JOBCAT and STEPCAT. Not
> all progress is in the forward direction.
I think that was Ed Gould
Gilmartin [mailto:snip]
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One uses the most convenient tools available.
c all /Unix/VSAM/
... in your tirade and reset your clock a couple d
On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:27:41 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
>I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to
>use it for completely unrelated functions.
>
One uses the most convenient tools available.
c all /Unix/VSAM/
... in your tirade and reset your clock a couple de
On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:06:22 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
>I really have to question whether reading or writing a file is that much
>easier than dealing with a dataset. In fact, one of the selling points
>used to be that DD names made your program device independent. A
At one time, that was pr
>Oh, sure. And I fought it tooth and nail for a while, too.
>But I've come to find out it can be kinda' fun. And on no other platform can
>you do all the ol' fun stuff and the new fun stuff at the same time.
I've used UNIX since 1976, so I was always pleased that IBM introduced USS to
MVS.
I hav
Daniel McLaughlin wrote:
We ran MVT without USS and we LIKED it!
Daniel McLaughlin
Oh, sure. And I fought it tooth and nail for a while, too.
But I've come to find out it can be kinda' fun. And on no
other platform can you do all the ol' fun stuff and the
new fun stuff at the same time.
, disk, drum, cell, display terminal/keyboard, and now
file system.
Why would compressing a file be that much different than compressing a
dataset?
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> All of you are starting to show your age Something you
> setup once, and forget.
Indeed. If you don't occasionally learn some "new tricks", your
"audience" will get bored and wander off...
All of you are starting to show your age Something you setup once,
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I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to
use it for completely unrelated functions.
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s, how long before datasets will be simulated
in file systems?
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exactly, and it has included Unix for quite awhile n
We ran MVT without USS and we LIKED it!
Daniel McLaughlin
Z-Series Systems Programmer
Information & Communications Technology
Crawford & Company
4680 N. Royal Atlanta
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Best Over
I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to
use it for completely unrelated functions. <<< Have to agree with Barry
on this one!
Daniel McLaughlin
Z-Series Systems Programmer
Information & Communications Technology
Crawford & Company
4680 N. Royal Atlanta
Tucker
I don't object to z/OS including Unix. I do object to being forced to
use it for completely unrelated functions.
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Barry Sc
When federal legal restrictions (not company policy) prohibit
connection, age and popularity become somewhat irrelevant.
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I guess
Chase, John wrote:
[...]
You didn't mention how long you've been "registered" with Shopz, or how
long Shopz has been available in Europe.
It has been available for quite long time, but limited to service.
Now it's available for product ordering as well.
But I had a similar experience
when
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> My adventure with ShopzSeries:
> I ordered JAVA SDK for z/OS. It is free product/ I can
> dowlnload it from IBM webpage without any paperwork. However
> web-downloadable form is non-SMP/E. SMP/E package is o
convoluted USS path?
I guess, I've never considered USS convoluted, depends on how you have
your shop set up. I'll take download anyday over having to deal with tapes.
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Daniel McLaughlin wrote:
Snipped: why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck!
Not all of us like messing around with the convoluted USS path, that's
why.
Time to learn new tricks ?
But seriously, it is not only matter of big HFS and managing (long)
pathnames. It is also (unclear) "u
Snipped: why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck!
Not all of us like messing around with the convoluted USS path, that's
why.
Daniel McLaughlin
Z-Series Systems Programmer
Information & Communications Technology
Crawford & Company
4680 N. Royal Atlanta
Tucker GA 30084
phone: 770-
On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 11:24 +0200, R.S. wrote:
> OK, time for my pills...
Be sure to wash them down with a dark rum ... ;0)
Shane ...
(apparently makes the pills work better)
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My adventure with ShopzSeries:
I ordered JAVA SDK for z/OS. It is free product/ I can dowlnload it from
IBM webpage without any paperwork. However web-downloadable form is
non-SMP/E. SMP/E package is only from ShopZ - but it's still free of
charge. But not free of paperwork. It took several wee
On Fri, 2 May 2008 15:13:43 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:
>Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system to the
>internet. For the rest (few?) of us who cannot, we still need
>maintenance.
>
Get a laptop running Solaris, OS X, Linux, or Windows.
Step A:
- Connect the laptop to the I
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> Yes it's great if you are allowed to connect your system to
> the internet. For the rest (few?) of us who cannot, we still
> need maintenance.
>
> And while we are on the subject, why does an i
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> Yes it's great if you are allo
exactly, and it has included Unix for quite awhile now, O/E first showed up
with MVS V4
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Barry Schwarz writes:
>If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one.
You did. :-) z/OS includes UNIX(TM).
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am uses it, Network
team uses it, CICS team uses it, etc., etc. and we run skulker to clean it
up periodically
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set? If I wanted a Unix system, I would have bought one.
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why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck!
ftp download,
Linda,
Yes my shop loves the internet process for serverpac. This came about
because our z/OS V1.7 order was incorrectly created and somehow in that
process IBM appears to have "lost" our license for PSF even though it is
installed and properly licensed. I will definitely spend some time at the
n
why would anyone bother with tapes anymore? yuck!
ftp download, MUCH NICER
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I think it
Lizette,
I ran into this when I ordered 1.7, but I had uploaded a fresh (and complete)
consolidated inventory report, so it just caused a minor delay and a phone call
to get the process moving again. When I ordered 1.8 (just under the wire time
wise), I had to order without a consolidated inve
ay, 02 May, 2008 01:48 PM
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Sorry - I must vent here.
Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process.
Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of
products. So when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL
LICEN
Haven't had that particular issue.
ordered z/OS 1.8 from Shopzseries in October 2006 and it did the download
just fine, no license issues.
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Sorry - I must vent here.
Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process
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Sorry - I must vent here.
Is it just me or is ShopzSeries a poor process.
Somehow they lost the fact that we were licensed for a couple of products. So
when I placed my order they showed up on ADDITIONAL LICENSES screen. I
selected them not knowing the problems that would cause and just blind
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