Re: Language development cycle (Perl)

2013-10-28 Thread John McKown
As Tom Ross, might say: What? As the language of the future? grin/ The only computer language that I've ever looked at and really hated was RPG II. With EasyTrieve Plus running a distant second. EZTP isn't really bad, I just don't like yet another reporting language. I've been forced to learn

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-28 Thread John McKown
Although many will likely disagree, I rather like that Java decided on using Unicode internally for all character data. The I/O subsystem translates that to the native encoding on input and output. On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Please note that

IBM Manual Access Issues

2013-10-28 Thread Lizette Koehler
I see John had an issue earlier. I am researching a procedure and the manual link on Internet showed Boulder. This did not work. So I decided to go to www.ibm.com and REDBOOKs directly and see what happens. And that link, for me, is timing out. Anyone else have trouble getting to

Re: Language development cycle (Perl)

2013-10-28 Thread John Gilmore
To paraphrase Ecclesiastes 12:12 without disrespect: Of the making of languages there is no end, and much learning [of them] is a weariness of the flesh. There is a case to be made for adding to the facilities of existing languages instead of inventing new ones, and the quality of the facilities

Re: IBM Manual Access Issues

2013-10-28 Thread גדי בן אבי
It's not working for me either. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 3:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: IBM Manual Access Issues I see John had an issue earlier.

Re: IBM Manual Access Issues

2013-10-28 Thread Bob Shannon
Anyone else have trouble getting to manuals or REDBOOKs? It timed out for me this morning too. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: flow of STOP command for BPXBATCH

2013-10-28 Thread Matan Cohen
the STOP command should be interrpeted as 'SIGTERM'. the problem I encounter is that it don't pass 'SIGTERM' when entering 'STOP' command from the console in case you are running a shell script which run Java . the solution was to convert the PROC to use 'JVMLDMXX' rather than BPXBATCH. the

Re: GDG question

2013-10-28 Thread DanD
Robert, No other job can reference a relative generation while the create job is running. The create job holds an exclusive ENQ on the GDG base as well as GDG(0) preventing any other job from running. This does not prevent another address space from referencing the generations by absolute

Re: IBM Manual Access Issues

2013-10-28 Thread Rob Schramm
pdfs and information centers have been unavailable for me as well. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.sewrote: Don't work for me too. Best Regards Thomas Berg

Re: IBM Manual Access Issues

2013-10-28 Thread John McKown
Does this mean that z now stands for zero availability? On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Thomas Berg thomas.b...@swedbank.sewrote: Don't work for me too. Best Regards Thomas Berg ___ Thomas Berg Specialist zOS\RQM\IT

Re: IBM Manual Access Issues

2013-10-28 Thread Rob Schramm
LOL Only for the book site. zero/Operational Stability Information Center Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:50 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.comwrote: Does this mean that z now stands for zero availability? On Mon, Oct 28,

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:26:31 -0500, John McKown wrote: Although many will likely disagree, I rather like that Java decided on using Unicode internally for all character data. The I/O subsystem translates that to the native encoding on input and output. No, Java decided to use a 16-bit subset of

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-28 Thread John McKown
Well, I still like the _concept_ of an internal character set instead of using ISO8859-1, or CP-037, or . Personally, if it were me, I'd be looking at UTF-8 for internal coding. And somehow address the lexicographical sorting / comparison (if that's the proper phrase - I'll defer to others if

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-28 Thread Tony Harminc
On 28 October 2013 11:56, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I still like the _concept_ of an internal character set instead of using ISO8859-1, or CP-037, or . No argument. The problem is that the Java developers used their understanding of the then nascent UNICODE

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-28 Thread John Gilmore
The concept of an internal character set has the crucial weakness---unless full Unicode is used---that it does not address the requirement that substrings from another language having diffferent requirrements must be supported. I received an email in French this morning that contained the English

Unicode (was: ... open source ...?)

2013-10-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:38:45 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: ... a tractable case; but there are also requirements to embed, say, Arabic or Hebrew text, written from right to left, in Danish text, written from left to right. There is probably no escape from the ugly device of shift in ||descriptor

Re: Access to IBM Z/OS z/VM Documentation

2013-10-28 Thread Staller, Allan
snip So, IBM pubs center doesn't have an HA setup. Interesting. I guess they're busy restoring. Have they considered using Amazon AWS? Am I getting too nasty? /snip *NOT ONLY NO, BUT H*** NO* Everyone should be complaining loudly and frequently to IBM on this subject.

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-28 Thread John Gilmore
John [McKown]: I do not think that natural-language text belongs in a program. It should always be externalized in standardized text tables that are the same in form but not in content for different natural languages. This sounds like a PITA, but it does not turn out to be. Some of our

IBM pubs site back

2013-10-28 Thread John McKown
At least, I can get to it. -- This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: SHARE Blog: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead

2013-10-28 Thread Clark Morris
On 21 Oct 2013 11:21:15 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead A very-much-alive Mark Twain famously commented that reports of his death were greatly exaggerated. Mainframers know that the same is true (and always has been) regarding reports

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-28 Thread John Gilmore
I am not sure I understand what handle translations of string data from one language to another means. Something like google translate#? Translations of this sort can be useful, but they are not yet reliable enough to be usable in a notionally deterministic program, and they often do very badly

Re: GDG question

2013-10-28 Thread Pommier, Rex
Robert, Actually (tested on z/OS 1.11), it didn't matter whether I had DISP=OLD or DISP=SHR on my GDG(0), any other jobs submitted while the allocate job was running waited until the allocate of (+1) was complete and cataloged, then each grabbed the new generation as GDG(0). Rex

Re: SHARE Blog: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead

2013-10-28 Thread John Gilmore
Lynn Wheeler's numbers are arithmetically correct, but they are also problematic. Mainframe channels perform multiple concurrent I/O operations that are not adequately reflected in them. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA --

Re: Access to IBM Z/OS z/VM Documentation

2013-10-28 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Staller, Allan wrote: Everyone should be complaining loudly and frequently to IBM on this subject. Will that work? Think about that (copyrighted) slogan of Alien: In Space No One Can Hear You Scream. Complain/moan/b*tch/scream/etc only raise your blood pressure... ;-D I think, if you are

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-28 Thread John McKown
I wasn't wanting to translate words. But when we do a comparison on the z, we basically just do a byte-for-byte compare. That does not always give the proper result. I am not very familar with culturally correct collations. But I do remember (from 10e7 years ago) that in Spanish, the ch is

example assembler program to update via stow userdata in directory of pds

2013-10-28 Thread don isenstadt
hello, It has come down to this .. I have a product that is requiring me to save several hundred members in order to populate the pds directory entry with a 30 byte title .. so since the vendor can't provide me with a way to do it batch they suggested that I use the stow macro w/replace to

Re: Access to IBM Z/OS z/VM Documentation

2013-10-28 Thread John McKown
And, in any case, the response could well be: If you want 100% availability, then we will be forced to go to a subscription model for access. It does cost money to write and update the manuals (which I guess is folded in as part of the cost of the product). And it costs more money to make that

Re: Access to IBM Z/OS z/VM Documentation

2013-10-28 Thread Staller, Allan
Do not under-estimate the power of public embarrassment! snip Staller, Allan wrote: Everyone should be complaining loudly and frequently to IBM on this subject. Will that work? Think about that (copyrighted) slogan of Alien: In Space No One Can Hear You Scream.

Re: Interested in up to date open source software or low cost utilities?

2013-10-28 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2013-10-28 15:08, John McKown wrote: I wasn't wanting to translate words. But when we do a comparison on the z, we basically just do a byte-for-byte compare. That does not always give the proper result. I am not very familar with culturally correct collations. But I do remember (from 10e7

Re: SHARE Blog: News Flash: The Mainframe (Still) Isn't Dead

2013-10-28 Thread Gerhard Adam
So, in the age of Twitter Facebook, what are companies doing to keep the mainframe growth message alive and directed at 20-30 somethings to invest their careers in it? I see that Marist collge has courses and IBM has several twitter IDs for their mainframe business, but is it working?

[slightly] off topic: SPFPRO on Win 8.1

2013-10-28 Thread Steve Comstock
Has anybody gotten SPFPRO to run on Windows 8.1 (or even 8.0, for that matter)? Looks like I'll have to give up one of my favorite tools. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: example assembler program to update via stow userdata in directory of pds

2013-10-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:56:45 -0500, Dave Kreiss davekre...@gmail.com wrote: Don, here is a module which updates a PDS directory entries TTR but it can be used as a model to change any field. I can't remember where the length field is (probably it is in DIRFLAG in the sample) but I know it is in

Re: [slightly] off topic: SPFPRO on Win 8.1

2013-10-28 Thread Lance D. Jackson
Steve, It runs just fine on my Win 8.0 machine. What issues are you having? -Original Message- From: Steve Comstock [mailto:st...@trainersfriend.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 06:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [slightly] off topic: SPFPRO on Win 8.1 Has anybody gotten

Re: [slightly] off topic: SPFPRO on Win 8.1

2013-10-28 Thread Steve Comstock
On 10/28/2013 7:28 PM, Lance D. Jackson wrote: Steve, It runs just fine on my Win 8.0 machine. What issues are you having? -Original Message- From: Steve Comstock [mailto:st...@trainersfriend.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 06:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [slightly]

Re: Linux on System z (IFL) and Spares

2013-10-28 Thread adarsh khanna
A related question: Does the cost of adding an IFL different on different machines e.g. 2817 compared to 2098. If yes why? as it is just characterization of a core. On Monday, 28 October 2013 8:03 AM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Radoslaw Skorupka writes: You cannot pay for

Re: Getting the SMF time

2013-10-28 Thread Donald Likens
I figured out the problem... The SMFTIME is obtained by TIME BIN which returns BIN returns the time of day as an unsigned 32-bit binary number with the low-order bit equivalent to 0.01 second. The second word of the time value returned is zero. STCK time is based on micro seconds. To have the

Re: example assembler program to update via stow userdata in directory of pds

2013-10-28 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Whats wrong with a small rexx that uses lm utilities to create and set/update pds directory? Commands like lminit, lmmlist, lmmstat, etc.? ITschak בתאריך 29 באוק 2013 01:53, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com כתב: On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:56:45 -0500, Dave Kreiss davekre...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [slightly] off topic: SPFPRO on Win 8.1

2013-10-28 Thread Brian Westerman
Steve, I realize that this isn't exactly the answer you wanted, but While I can get my copy to work on Windows 8.1 (I run it in compatibility mode by right clicking on the executable and choose the compatibility option), I have (as of a couple years ago), moved to SPFLITE