m, but I believe that's a VAR's sale price.
>So, that's an idea of price range, at least.
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That's good to know. I'll see if the business partner can get us some prices.
If cheap enough it would make things much easier to deal with.
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What does a CF processor
What does a CF processor cost these days?
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 11:14 AM Joel C. Ewing wrote:
> I interpreted Brian's requests as asking for typical cost range or some
> estimate of cost. "Peanuts" is always relative to the budget of the
> speaker -- may or may not be peanuts in your budget.
>
I interpreted Brian's request as asking for typical cost range or some
estimate of cost. "Peanuts" is always relative to the budget of the
speaker -- may or may not be peanuts in your budget.
If the switch will be essential for your operation, it also needs to
have an acceptable time-to-repair/re
Brian Westerman wrote:
>SO just how much are the peanuts?
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>Peanuts mean really cheap.
Even a new switch with warranty is only a few more peanuts. For example,
the Brocade 6510 and IBM SAN48B-5 (2498-F48) switches were just recently
discontinued (May, 2020), but there mi
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Peanuts mean really cheap.
I know companies which disposed (dropped to the trash) old Brocade 5100
switches. They even paid for disposal. Such switch is sufficient for
that purpose.
Of course it is second hand equipment, no service contract or some
"poor" contract with second hand provicer or j
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> CNCchpid3 <> chpid4 CTC Signalling Path 2
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SO just how much are the peanuts? What exactly am I looking for and do you
have any vendors that you can suggest?
Brian
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>> no switches exist at the site.
>>
>> I can't see how to share the CTC an
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Wasn't there a thing known as FICON cascading? To allow multiple CU's on the
same CHP?
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Wasn't there a thing known as FICON cascading? To allow multiple CU's on the
same CHP?
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You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point
topology, not daisy chains like i
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:05:11 +, Allan Staller wrote:
> You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point
>topology, not daisy chains like in Bus&Tag.
>
>That is incorrect.
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:01:50 +, Allan Staller wrote:
>4 ficon ports(CHPIDs) and 2 ficon cables are required. Each cable is shared
>in a bi-directional manner.
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>e.g CTCchipd1 <> chpid2 CNC Signalling Path 1
> CNCchpid3 <> chpid4 CTC Signalling Path 2
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With FICON cha
d2 CNC Signalling Path 1
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:05:11 +, Allan Staller wrote:
> You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point
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>That is incorrect. I routine share ahannels across LPARs.
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>The purpose of the switch is to concect multiple physical CECs
W dniu 03.06.2020 o 15:05, Allan Staller pisze:
You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point topology, not
daisy chains like in Bus&Tag.
That is incorrect. I routine share channels across LPARs.
The purpose of the switch is to connect multiple physical CECs to a single
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no switches exist at the site.
I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, it (HCD)
keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on the same
CHPID, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.
You
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That is probably true, but you can't run a Star without CF's, which are out of
the question due to cost.
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no switches exist at the site.
I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, it
(HCD) keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on the
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>It's all about the cost. Especially right now, there is just no money to put
>into the box. If we knew fo
Serial-# in HCD and things
connected up properly.
Here are a few other thoughts on the subject of the base sysplex setup. I can
understand the idea of trying to save money. We all have to deal with
management wanting not to spend money. So you do what you can with what you
have.
The idea of
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> We found out the hard way when we converted off of FICON switches you need to
> code a serial number in the control unit definition to make
> the connection work properly.
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Does lack of a serial number really prevent these from workin
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1. If you ha
I can speak from experience. GRS Ring performance sucks with even 2 LPARs
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Just curious .. why does it have to be FICON CTC, why can't it be SMC-D/R or
HiperSockets or one of thos
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Hi,
I'm looking for informat
Brian,
1. If you haven't also looked at IBM Publication No. SB10-7174 yet, I'd
refer you to that one ("IBM Z FICON Channel-to-Channel Reference"). I
believe you've found SG24-5451 already.
2. You might not need additional FICON Express features at all. It depends
on how you're set up, but ther
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It's all about the cost. Especially right now, there is just no money to put
into the box. If we knew for sure that the software CF would only take 1MSU or
less, then we would do it in a heartbeat, but it's a
PM
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> It's all about the cost. Especially right now, there is just no money to put
> into
> the box. If we knew for sure that the software CF would only take 1MSU or
> less, then we would do it in a heartbeat, but
ACF data sharing (RACF sysplex communications is available)
>> Many others. All are described in Setting Up a SYSPLEX
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>> HTH,
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It's all about the cost. Especially right now, there is just no money to put
into the box. If we knew for sure that the software CF would only take 1MSU or
less, then we would do it in a heartbeat, but it's a base model z13s so there
are only 13MSU's int he entire complex, taking even one away
; RACF data sharing (RACF sysplex communications is available)
> Many others. All are described in Setting Up a SYSPLEX
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> HTH,
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haring (RACF sysplex communications is available)
Many others. All are described in Setting Up a SYSPLEX
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The box isn't maxed out, but it's pretty close. It's a base z13s and no money
to upgrade it. The cards are a cheap way to get by (they are under $400 with
$0 increase in maintenance costs), whereas the cost of a CF is far greater. We
can't u
The box isn't maxed out, but it's pretty close. It's a base z13s and no money
to upgrade it. The cards are a cheap way to get by (they are under $400 with
$0 increase in maintenance costs), whereas the cost of a CF is far greater. We
can't use the software CF option (build a CF lpar without a
A coupling facility using a share CP processor only needs a few
percent of the processor dedicated. If you are maxed out on CPU and
can't tolerate a slight slowdown at peak times, then one step up to
the next MSU setting should be enough.
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he fly for communications.
Thanks..
Paul Feller
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Hi Brian,
When building a sys
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Hi,
I'm looking for information on how to set up a base SYSPLEX with only Ficon
CTC's that seem to be referred to as XCF CTC's.
I'm sure someone had
Hi,
I'm looking for information on how to set up a base SYSPLEX with only Ficon
CTC's that seem to be referred to as XCF CTC's.
I'm sure someone had done this before and is probably doing it now for Multiple
LPARs that are running on the same processor CEC. Configuration help (parms
etc.) wou
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