On 3/17/2014 2:05 PM, R.S. wrote:
Local terminals do not need VTAM, if you're willing to do the work to
mimic normal SNA packets with EXCP (or variant). While it's not for
the faint-hearted, it can be done. Doing the same for remotes would
additionally require changes to your front-end, and is
On 3/17/2014 6:38 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
For local non-SNA you don't even need to do that. In fact, I wan't
aware that you had written EXCP-based code for local SNA clusters; I
thought that it was strictly non-SNA.
At one point one of my employers planned to convert everything to
In 53270ed5.6080...@charter.net, on 03/17/2014
at 11:03 AM, Gerhard Postpischil gerha...@charter.net said:
Local terminals do not need VTAM, if you're willing to do the work to
mimic normal SNA packets with EXCP
For local non-SNA you don't even need to do that. In fact, I wan't
aware that
In 532707fc.9000...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 03/17/2014
at 03:34 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
SNA terminal is network terminal
Not even close; a network terminal need not be SNA.
Each local terminal is defined in IODF as device,
Also wrong; a local non-SNA terminal is
/IBM_Systems_Network_Architecture_Protocols
I would periodically bug him about coming over and working on real
networking.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#50 Can we logon to TSO witout having
TN3270 up ?
and i just got thru pointing out that the communication group did
everything possible to make sure
I used TSO all my life without TN3270, until 2 years ago.
Kees.
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VTAM is the pre-req, not TN3270.
It depends on the method of *TERMINAL* attachment. If via VTAM, TN3270 is not
needed for anything/
TN3270 is merely TCPIP on one side and SNA on the other...
HTH,
snip
We are running z/os 1.11 and had a strange issue on one of our systems today .
Our shop
W dniu 2014-03-17 09:24, Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM pisze:
I used TSO all my life without TN3270, until 2 years ago.
1. Before z/OS 1.9 (AFAIR) separate started task for TN3270 was
optional. So it was enough to start TCPIP. Of course non-IP connections
still work without TN3270 and without
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Subject: Re: Can we logon to TSO witout having TN3270 up ?
W dniu 2014-03-17 09:24, Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM pisze:
I used TSO all my life without TN3270, until 2 years ago.
1. Before z/OS 1.9 (AFAIR) separate started task for TN3270 was optional. So it
was enough
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:12:05 +, Staller, Allan wrote:
VTAM is the pre-req, not TN3270.
It depends on the method of *TERMINAL* attachment. If via VTAM, TN3270 is not
needed for anything/
TN3270 is merely TCPIP on one side and SNA on the other...
VTAM? SNA? I don't know the distinction.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:12:05 +, Staller, Allan wrote:
VTAM is the pre-req, not TN3270.
It depends on the method of *TERMINAL* attachment. If via VTAM, TN3270 is
not needed for anything/
TN3270 is merely TCPIP
In
CALt2WMYeFwyiquHBT4W4Ge_9NgyzS5a_YuFEbsY5Ro-=p7f...@mail.gmail.com,
on 03/16/2014
at 08:29 AM, baby eklavya baby.ekla...@gmail.com said:
I always thought that TN3270 was pre-requisite for anybody to logon
via TSO
Why? The TN3270 server is only relevant to someone using the TN3270
protocol.
In
CAAJSdjhYGYLdfmP94DHw2SQuCUTYDG9devhC+qh=S=dyey7...@mail.gmail.com,
on 03/15/2014
at 11:17 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
Last, and least, would be if you actually have a local non-SNA 3270
Local SNA will work just as well for TSO and SMCS consoles.
--
Shmuel
W dniu 2014-03-17 15:19, Paul Gilmartin pisze:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:12:05 +, Staller, Allan wrote:
VTAM is the pre-req, not TN3270.
It depends on the method of *TERMINAL* attachment. If via VTAM, TN3270 is not
needed for anything/
TN3270 is merely TCPIP on one side and SNA on the
Rephrasing:
TN3270 is merely TCPIP on one side and VTAM/SNA on the other...
TN3270 receives TCPIP requests on one side and translates to VTAM/SNA on the
other. (BTW, VTAM also supports BISYNC).
Other points:
Once you have the READY prompt you *ARE* logged on to TSO.
TELNET (dnsname or
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In
CAAJSdjhYGYLdfmP94DHw2SQuCUTYDG9devhC+qh=S=dyey7...@mail.gmail.com,
on 03/15/2014
at 11:17 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
Last, and least, would be if you actually have a
in terminology misunderstandings.
Kees.
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 15:36
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Subject: Re: Can we logon to TSO witout having TN3270 up ?
Rephrasing
In
ce3ffbb7e42033469ef752a1d8a19ba10759f...@kl1221tc.cs.ad.klmcorp.net,
on 03/17/2014
at 02:39 PM, Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM kees.verno...@klm.com
said:
1. that's what I meant: you only need tn3270 if you want to do TSO
from IP devices. And 2 years ago, someone decided that I needed that.
On 3/17/2014 10:34 AM, R.S. wrote:
Both network and local terminal won't work without VTAM. Also
IP-attached terminals do require VTAM.
Local terminals do not need VTAM, if you're willing to do the work to
mimic normal SNA packets with EXCP (or variant). While it's not for the
faint-hearted,
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
VTAM? SNA? I don't know the distinction.
... as an aside ... other divisions used to try and build SNA devices to
the SNA protocol specs ... and they wouldn't work with VTAM ... it turns
out that the only real definition for SNA is what VTAM would
/~lynn/2014d.html#50 Can we logon to TSO witout having
TN3270 up ?
aka the mainframe started out batch/job centric ... while the
various open, online systems started out being people centric
the early mainframe monitors (like cics) attempted to implement
person centric paradigm layer ... attempting
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#50 Can we logon to TSO witout having
TN3270 up ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#51 Can we logon to TSO witout having
TN3270 up ?
oops, left out
The Evolution of CICS: CICS and Multiprocessor Exploitation (2004)
http://web.archive.org/web
On 2014-03-17, at 08:44, Vernooij, CP (SPLXM) - KLM wrote:
The big difference to notice is:
You logon to a *nix system via Telnet or so.
The *nix argot is login, not logon. I wonder if that
arises from the difference you note?
You don't logon to a mainframe. You logon to an application
W dniu 2014-03-17 16:03, Gerhard Postpischil pisze:
On 3/17/2014 10:34 AM, R.S. wrote:
Both network and local terminal won't work without VTAM. Also
IP-attached terminals do require VTAM.
Local terminals do not need VTAM, if you're willing to do the work to
mimic normal SNA packets with EXCP
Well, it is a bit at 23:00 locally and I am turning in. Hope I was of at
least some help.
John ,
Thank you very much ...that's very kind of you and You've always been a
tremendous help to everyone in this list !
I was not having an idea on how this worked , and now i feel clear can do
more
Answering to the subject question: yes.
How? Some examples:
- You connect via SNA
- You connect via OSA-ICC, local (channel attached) 3174, or 2074, or
VISARA or other controller.
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland
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Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione
Hello all ,
We are running z/os 1.11 and had a strange issue on one of our systems
today . Our shop is a sysplex of 4 LPARS . Today after IPL , In one of the
LPARS which came up last , TCPIP started fine ,but OPSMVS didn't mark it up
and several other dependent tasks were waiting . The
Sounds weird to me. Have you tried simply starting TN3270 by hand? E.g.
enter S TN3270 (or whatever you call if it not TN3270) on a z/OS operator
console. If you don't have any operator consoles, perhaps you could use the
HMC operating system messages function. I use it all the time to IPL from
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