On 22/10/2021 9:54 pm, Colin Paice wrote:
yes - but better. It keeps improving the hot spot code to make it more
efficient.
If IBM were to ship the "saved" classes, it would make every one's system
run faster from day 1, rather than have a slow first few days.
I don't think this is true. The
On 23/10/2021 6:23 pm, David Crayford wrote:
When I ran the drag race on our full capacity enterprise class machine
Java was always faster than C++ and the GCPs run at the same speed as
the zIIPs. And Python also beat C++ and I couldn't get my head around
the veracity of that result.
On 23/10/2021 6:52 am, Andrew Rowley wrote:
On 22/10/2021 8:21 pm, David Crayford wrote:
I wouldn't consider a drag race using a prime number sieve a good
indication of the overall performance of Java on z/OS. That's a very
specific use case and not one that anybody would ever use on the
You’re quite foolish in thinking just because a corporation is using AWS (or
Azure/Google clouds) they are doing it to replace or supplement the mainframe.
Own me some more fool.
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On Friday, October 22, 2021, 10:12 PM, David Crayford
wrote:
How about
JPM isn’t replacing their mainframe either. No banks that want security,
uptime, and transaction processing AWS can’t match are. Wait til IBM’s 2nm chip
becomes the norm.
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On Friday, October 22, 2021, 10:12 PM, David Crayford
wrote:
How about JPMorgan Chase
LOL, organizations have been running multiple systems for decades. Before you
were born.
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On Friday, October 22, 2021, 10:12 PM, David Crayford
wrote:
How about JPMorgan Chase who also use AWS in their enterprise
How about JPMorgan Chase who also use AWS in their enterprise
https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/jpmorgan-chase/. It's the
tip of the iceberg.
You have obviously been out of the industry for a while. The typical
enterprise IT system these days is heterogeneous. It's all about
HSBC is one poorly run bank. Since 2000 to today the stock has been cut in
half. 60 to 30. So, I wouldn’t be touting their decision making. Also, the AWS
signing was so they could layoff thousands of employees. A move that wreaks of
desperation.
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On Friday,
HSBC isn’t replacing their mainframe. Because they’re not stupid. Although
google HSBC hack and see quite a few problems. And AWS is down quite
frequently. As is Azure and Google cloud. And security on those cloud services
isn’t even close to the mainframe security.
Your Fintech fetish is also
On 23/10/2021 9:04 am, Bill Johnson wrote:
No bank needs AWS to process millions of transactions an hour. Every major bank
does it on the mainframe without the outages AWS injects into the process.
Well, obviously HSBC do and they're the 6th biggest bank in the world.
AWS offers 99.999%
There’s a website called downdetector.com which logs the enormous number of
outages on AWS. I don’t think any banks have a similar website for their
mainframe outages. Own me some more.
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On Friday, October 22, 2021, 7:38 PM, David Crayford
wrote:
Haha, you
No bank needs AWS to process millions of transactions an hour. Every major bank
does it on the mainframe without the outages AWS injects into the process.
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On Friday, October 22, 2021, 7:38 PM, David Crayford
wrote:
Haha, you don't give up. How about this.
HSBC isn’t Australian. And they run a mainframe.
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On Friday, October 22, 2021, 7:38 PM, David Crayford
wrote:
Haha, you don't give up. How about this. HSBC has nearly $3T dollars in
assets. They have integrated their mainframe with Amazons AWS cloud.
You've
Haha, you don't give up. How about this. HSBC has nearly $3T dollars in
assets. They have integrated their mainframe with Amazons AWS cloud.
You've been pwned man, take a breather.
"For large financial institutions, it can be extremely hard to predict
when your architecture may need to scale
On 22/10/2021 8:21 pm, David Crayford wrote:
I wouldn't consider a drag race using a prime number sieve a good
indication of the overall performance of Java on z/OS. That's a very
specific use case and not one that anybody would ever use on the
mainframe.
That's true, and that's the reason
Rather than load jar files from disk - it may copy from the data space.
When you "save" an image it may write it to the dataspace. When you
preload from the saved file on disk, it may just load into the dataspace.
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 16:45, Tony Harminc wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 05:22, Colin Paice wrote:
>
> With Java and shared classes, it keeps a copy of the compiled classes in a
> data space.
How does it execute code from a dataspace?
Tony H.
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Wow! That one goes in my bookmarks!
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"... With Java and shared classes, it keeps a copy of the compiled
classes in a data space. "
Hmm ... Sounds (functionally) like LLA/VLF.
yes -
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Australia’s largest bank is Commonwealth Bank of Australia with a little over 1
trillion in assets in Aussie dollars. ANZ banking group #2 at slightly over a
trillion in assets. Wetpac banking 3rd at around 900 billion in assets. Which
doesn’t put any of them in the top 20. The 20th bank in the
W dniu 22.10.2021 o 12:35, David Crayford pisze:
On 22/10/2021 5:59 pm, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
W dniu 22.10.2021 o 03:12, David Crayford pisze:
On 21/10/2021 7:31 am, Bill Johnson wrote:
I do almost everything important via app with a mainframe on the
back end. Banking, health records,
Ed, Johnathan;
You guys are *so *lucky.
A few quick notes to get you started:
- Unlike Unix piping, terminal output from the last stage is not
implied. (You'll find this makes sense later.)
pipe < some.dsn | count words lines | term
- The <, >, and >> are filters on their own, also
"... With Java and shared classes, it keeps a copy of the compiled
classes in a data space. "
Hmm ... Sounds (functionally) like LLA/VLF.
yes - but better. It keeps improving the hot spot code to make it more
efficient.
If IBM were to ship the "saved" classes, it would make every one's system
On 22/10/2021 5:59 pm, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
W dniu 22.10.2021 o 03:12, David Crayford pisze:
On 21/10/2021 7:31 am, Bill Johnson wrote:
I do almost everything important via app with a mainframe on the
back end. Banking, health records, retail shopping, insurance
claims, investing. And
"... With Java and shared classes, it keeps a copy of the compiled
classes in a data space. "
Hmm ... Sounds (functionally) like LLA/VLF.
On 2021-10-22 05:21, Colin Paice wrote:
With Java and shared classes, it keeps a copy of the compiled classes in a
data space. You can now "save" the latest
W dniu 22.10.2021 o 03:12, David Crayford pisze:
On 21/10/2021 7:31 am, Bill Johnson wrote:
I do almost everything important via app with a mainframe on the back
end. Banking, health records, retail shopping, insurance claims,
investing. And with very high confidence the transactions are
With Java and shared classes, it keeps a copy of the compiled classes in a
data space. You can now "save" the latest image to disk, and reload that
next time you run. If you save it every day, you will be able to restore
the latest and greatest optimised version.
Without the shared classes, the
On 22/10/2021 3:51 pm, Andrew Rowley wrote:
On 22/10/2021 2:46 am, A T & T Management wrote:
Java, it has to be translated each time it run, provided you know
the language and it's been debugged. Schools may teach it but they
too want to make money and look good because they can say it's
On 22/10/2021 2:46 am, A T & T Management wrote:
Java, it has to be translated each time it run, provided you know the
language and it's been debugged. Schools may teach it but they too want to
make money and look good because they can say it's modern and that is what they
push. Any CEO
can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
BPX1MMP (mmap) service being contained to 2GB. IBM have recently fixed
that which is another good example of mainframe modernization
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/PH32235.
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On Wednesday, October 20, 2021,
On 22/10/2021 12:37 am, kekronbekron wrote:
Your customers with newer software don't need to be 'punished with' binaries
made for/from older Java, when newer Java versions might offer some sort of
instruction-level enhancements.
It's really the other way round... compiled languages like C++
ions were reads (folks checking their bank balances on
>> their phones). Their solution was use Apache Kafka to replicate the data
>> to Apache Cassandra and only hit the mainframe for writes.
>>
>> Apache Kafka can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
>&g
can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
BPX1MMP (mmap) service being contained to 2GB. IBM have recently fixed
that which is another good example of mainframe modernization
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/PH32235.
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On Wednesday, October 20, 202
> Apache Kafka can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
> BPX1MMP (mmap) service being contained to 2GB. IBM have recently fixed
> that which is another good example of mainframe modernization
> https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/PH32235.
>
>
>>
>> Sent from
bank balances on
> their phones). Their solution was use Apache Kafka to replicate the data
> to Apache Cassandra and only hit the mainframe for writes.
>
> Apache Kafka can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
> BPX1MMP (mmap) service being contained to 2GB. IBM have recently
> their phones). Their solution was use Apache Kafka to replicate the data
> to Apache Cassandra and only hit the mainframe for writes.
>
> Apache Kafka can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
> BPX1MMP (mmap) service being contained to 2GB. IBM have recently fixed
&g
mple of mainframe modernization
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/PH32235.
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On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 7:18 PM, Rich Smrcina
wrote:
That can certainly be part of it.
But it can also mean providing applications (typically web based) with access
to z/OS
ache Cassandra and only hit the mainframe for writes.
Apache Kafka can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
BPX1MMP (mmap) service being contained to 2GB. IBM have recently fixed
that which is another good example of mainframe modernization
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/PH3
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On Thursday, October 21, 2021, 8:51 PM, David Crayford
wrote:
I think "Mainframe Modernization" is an umbrella term that can be used
to describe many different things. That may be new UIs or application
modernization such as adding a REST API to a legacy application. IBM
sandra and only hit the mainframe for writes.
Apache Kafka can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
BPX1MMP (mmap) service being contained to 2GB. IBM have recently fixed
that which is another good example of mainframe modernization
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/PH32235.
>
fka can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
BPX1MMP (mmap) service being contained to 2GB. IBM have recently fixed
that which is another good example of mainframe modernization
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/PH32235.
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rame for writes.
Apache Kafka can be deployed on z/OS but it was crippled due to the
BPX1MMP (mmap) service being contained to 2GB. IBM have recently fixed
that which is another good example of mainframe modernization
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/PH32235.
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I think "Mainframe Modernization" is an umbrella term that can be used
to describe many different things. That may be new UIs or application
modernization such as adding a REST API to a legacy application. IBM are
doing a great job adding modern languages to z/OS that hav
Ed,
I stand corrected. Thanks for the link to https://ibmdocs.pocnet.net/,
which I was previously unaware of.
About a week ago, I was looking for BatchPipes manuals and had only
found the main reference manual. Now
I have added the other manuals to my collection.
Allan
On Thu,
I would've said Shmegoogle (a takeoff on Shmegheggi)
On 2021-10-21 12:34, Ed Jaffe wrote:
On 10/21/2021 9:16 AM, allan winston wrote:
When I Google "TSO PIPE", I found that it is a command within Netview.
BatchPipes is a completely different program product.
Google Schmoogle...
The message
On 10/21/2021 9:16 AM, allan winston wrote:
When I Google "TSO PIPE", I found that it is a command within Netview.
BatchPipes is a completely different program product.
Google Schmoogle...
The message id shown in my example (BPW00256I) is documented in Appendix
C of IBM BatchPipes OS/390
When I Google "TSO PIPE", I found that it is a command within Netview.
BatchPipes is a completely different program product.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:59 AM Ed Jaffe
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> On 10/21/2021 8:18 AM, Nash, Jonathan S. wrote:
> > ... I just tried TSO PIPE and it worked
>
> READY
> pipe
>
On 10/21/2021 8:18 AM, Nash, Jonathan S. wrote:
... I just tried TSO PIPE and it worked
READY
pipe
BPW00256I Enter a pipeline specification
READY
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Some goverment agencies are replacing
their mainframe COBOL with java.
I dont see a payoff. I think this
I for one believe in the Right tool for the Right Job! For general purpose
programming, Cobol does the job. Java, it has to be translated each time it
run, provided you know the language and it's been debugged. Schools may teach
it but they too want to make money and look good because
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Mainframe Modernization
What kind of "lies- smoke and mirrors" do you see that IBM should be
pushing back on with our marketing?
I'm just a highly technical crypto guy, so I don't write the marketing
copy, but you have piqued my interest.
Eric Rossman, CIS
What kind of "lies- smoke and mirrors" do you see that IBM should be
pushing back on with our marketing?
I'm just a highly technical crypto guy, so I don't write the marketing
copy, but you have piqued my interest.
Eric Rossman, CISSP®
ICSF Cryptographic Security Development
z/OS Enabling
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Ron,
My opinion is that IBM is just as bad now that they are 'cloud eccentric'.
(Yes, play on words, not a misspelling.)
Tony Thigpen
Ron Wells wrote on 10/21/21 9:05 AM:
> IBM needs to push back in Marketing , be more forceful s
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Okay, thanks for clarifying.
Always good to be learning.
But yeah, it's scenarios like that (release-based builds) where automation and
GitHub-ing things help.
When an actively maintained clone of PARMLIB, etc. are kept in GitHub, code
reviews are a dream.
Ex: What changed since the last IPL,
On 10/21/2021 6:37 AM, kekronbekron wrote:
It's this kind of scenario that this woke-nizing the mainframe is supposed to
actually help with.
That is, release-based automated builds, and to automatically, easily maintain
different binaries/versions.
Your customers with newer software don't
Elliot
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> Does anyone out there know what is meant by the expression "Mainframe
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I should not have picked on Java, but you may understand my irritation.
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It's this kind of scenario that this woke-nizing the mainframe is supposed to
actually help with.
That is, release-based automated builds, and to automatically, easily maintain
different binaries/versions.
Your customers with newer software don't need to be 'punished with' binaries
made
On 10/21/2021 5:39 AM, Ron Wells wrote:
Like reinventing a wheel and all they do is add complexity , as example
Java..another moving target, write something for it, change rel. BANG does not
work. Like Windows, if IBM did this, they would have been out of the Boz
decades ago.
We love Java
IBM needs to push back in Marketing , be more forceful stop the lies- smoke and
mirrors
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Understanding TCO is extremely important, yet
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Does anyone out there know what is meant by the expression "Mainframe
Modernization' '? It seems to
Modernization
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Does anyone out there know what is meant by the expression "Mainframe
Modernization' '? It seems to be catching on with the Bobs but when you ask
exactly how they propose to modernize their systems all you get is silence. As
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I am involved in a project to bring some z/OS products to Zowe. IMHO it sounds
like "put lipstick on pig" (a te
dernization" usually means good/legitimate things like adding a web
> front-end or a better database back-end.
>
> "Mainframe Modernization" is bad, "Application Modernization" is good.
> (Normally.)
>
> Tony Thigpen
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> David Elliot wrote
t; front-end or a better database back-end.
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> "Mainframe Modernization" is bad, "Application Modernization" is good.
> (Normally.)
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> Tony Thigpen
>
> David Elliot wrote on 10/20/21 6:50 PM:
>> Does anyone out there know what is meant by th
That's exactly what I wanted to express.
To complement/expand: this is salesman word, we know that. However some
salesmen want to sell their products, not kill mainframe. Do you need
theses product? Probably no. So, what is the reason to buy it? Mainframe
modernization.
From the other hand
that while it sounds almost the same, the term "Application
Modernization" usually means good/legitimate things like adding a web
front-end or a better database back-end.
"Mainframe Modernization" is bad, "Application Modernization" is good.
(Normally.)
Tony Thig
David,
I have been in mainframes since 1970 and started my own company in 1998 dealing
with mainframe modernization. A lot has to do with languages, databases and
interfaces to non-mainframe environments along with the zCloud capabilities
currently available. While I am a 1,000% proponent
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>> Does anyone out there know what is meant by the expression "Mainframe
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>> Moderni
AKA z/OS wake?
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Does anyone out there know what is meant by the expression "Mainframe
Modernization' '? It seems to be catching on with the Bobs but when you
ask exactly how they propose to modernize their systems all you get is
si
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>> Does anyone out there know what is meant by the expression "Mainframe
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>> Modernization' '? It seems to be catching on with the Bobs but when you
>>
>> ask exactly how
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Does anyone out there know what is meant by the expression "Mainframe
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