Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-03-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
ursday, February 22, 2018 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again) On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:55:49 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I seriously doubt that; it would generate a Unit Exception trying to read the >second record of the

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
metz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Christopher Y. Blaicher Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again) Radoslaw, The access methods detect the

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-23 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again) On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:49:05 +, Christopher Y. Blaicher wrote: > >The acc

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:49:05 +, Christopher Y. Blaicher wrote: > >The access methods detect the key=0, count=0 records and process them as EOF, >which is how they signify the end of a PDS member. Every member has an EOF >record with the rare exception of a member that ends at the end of th

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-23 Thread Christopher Y. Blaicher
ist [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again) I don't know internals, but definitely one can use short blocks on DASD, 18B is not a limit. You ca

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-23 Thread R.S.
I don't know internals, but definitely one can use short blocks on DASD, 18B is not a limit. You can use 18 or 5 if you want. Of course the tracks utilization will be extremely poor, but that's different story. BTW: I'mt not sure, but it seems the null record inside a member is when the member

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-23 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Also, just curious, I understand that on tape a block <18 (? still?) is >bypassed as a noise record. Wow! Interesting! Where is that documented? >But it's possible that with RECFM=VB the last block might, by happenstance, >consist of as few as 8 bytes (BDW=8; RDW=4).

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:55:49 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I seriously doubt that; it would generate a Unit Exception trying to read the >second record of the member. You're clearly misinterpreting something. > >There is a EOF after the directory and an EOF after each member. There is no >EOF i

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again) I just found that in PDS every (?)

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-22 Thread R.S.
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Christopher Y. Blaicher Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again) You can have a zero length key and data, it is called an End Of

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again) You can have a zero length key and data, it is called an End Of File (EOF) marker. Chris Blaicher Technical Architect Mainframe Development P: 201-930-8234 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com Syncsort

Re: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-22 Thread Christopher Y. Blaicher
quality leader Trillium Software is now a part of Syncsort. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD

Count with no Data and no Key ? (CKD internals again)

2018-02-22 Thread R.S.
Is it allowed in CKD to have Count only in a physical record? I mean Count field with zero-length Data (and zero-length Key). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje praw