Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On 9/21/2017 5:56 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA) wrote: I have no problems with DYNA-STEP having used it in a prior life but I fail to see how either of the other two solutions will fail with z/OS 2.3 as I don't recall anything in the announcement or presentations that would imply changes to the

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On 2017-09-23, at 16:39, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > > LLA/VLF members cannot be updated without a corresponding refresh. It's fine > to know this in principle, but I've seen programmers get very frustrated > trying to update a program or exec without a refresh. The larger the > organization,

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Steplib and z/OS 2.3? On 9/22/2017 4:55 PM, Walt Farrell wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:43:43 -0400, Tom Conley <pinnc...@rochester.rr.com> > wrote: > >> Dynamic STEPLIB is designed to run under TSO. It provides the >> ability to satisfy CALL/LINK/ATTACH modules in ISP

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On 9/22/2017 4:55 PM, Walt Farrell wrote: On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:43:43 -0400, Tom Conley wrote: Dynamic STEPLIB is designed to run under TSO. It provides the ability to satisfy CALL/LINK/ATTACH modules in ISPF for testing, multiple releases, etc. Some ill-behaved

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Jim & Peter make good points as to why IBM won't ever provide this function. STEPLIB is a "tool" that was originally created pre TSOLIB for system programmers to do testing. If used as intended, allocate STEPLIB when logging on and never change it unless you re-logon you shouldn't have any

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Jim Mulder is perfectly correct. We will never provide such a function. There are assumptions made within the system based on things it knows about how steplib and joblib are created. If the CBT tape program does not happen to meet all of those assumptions, I have no idea what will happen.

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Walt Farrell wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:38:33 -0500, John McKown > wrote: > >> Could someone tell me of some of the "real life" uses of this capability? >> Why

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Jim Mulder mentioned the TSOLIB command (which I'd forgotten about, although I depend on it continuously), and it should come close to solving most of the issues so far discussed. As for REXX, it's extendable, if you're so inclined. I'm passionately ambivalent about REXX, so, not inclined

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:39:57 -0500, John McKown wrote: >> >> (Note that if the module were a "normal" program rather than a TSO command >> he could use the CALL command, ... ) >> It would be useful if there were a variant of the CALL COMMAND: CALL DD:ddname(member) as well as CALL

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Walt Farrell wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:38:33 -0500, John McKown < > john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Could someone tell me of some of the "real life" uses of this capability? > >Why can't I just do a DYNALLOC on the

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:43:18 -0500, Walt Farrell (walt.farr...@gmail.com) wrote about "Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?" (in <1942473900671448.wa.walt.farrellgmail@listserv.ua.edu>): > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:53:10 +0100, David W Noon > <david.w.n...@googlemail.c

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On 2017-09-22, at 15:26, Jim Mulder wrote: > The issue is not foreground vs background. The issue is that > MVS and its predecessors have never provided a service to change > TCBJLB after a task has been attached, so there may be ways in which > programs assume that such a change will not

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> wrote on 09/22/2017 05:06:31 PM: > From: Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 09/22/2017 05:14 PM > Subject: Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3? > Sent by: IBM Mainfram

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

, 2017 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3? On 9/22/2017 4:19 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: > Possible is in the eye of the coder. Most everything "can" be done. > Whether it is a good idea or not is another discussion ( i.e. Walt's >

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:38:33 -0500, John McKown wrote: >Could someone tell me of some of the "real life" uses of this capability? >Why can't I just do a DYNALLOC on the libraries, OPEN them, then >LINKX/ATTACHX DCB= whatever it is I need? The only thing that I can

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:43:43 -0400, Tom Conley wrote: >Dynamic STEPLIB is designed to run under TSO. It provides the ability >to satisfy CALL/LINK/ATTACH modules in ISPF for testing, multiple >releases, etc. Some ill-behaved ISPF apps don't use SELECT PGM, so they

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On 9/22/2017 4:19 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: Possible is in the eye of the coder. Most everything "can" be done. Whether it is a good idea or not is another discussion ( i.e. Walt's comment ). I can break MVS integrity, security etc etc. Just look at www.krisecurity.com for examples found on how

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:53:10 +0100, David W Noon wrote: >It is up to the site's programmers to ensure that the load libraries in >use in a job step are mutually compatible. Unfortunately, the site's programmers are not in control of the libraries used in a

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: > Possible is in the eye of the coder. Most everything "can" be done. > Whether it is a good idea or not is another discussion ( i.e. Walt's > comment ). > > I can break MVS integrity, security etc etc. Just look at >

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

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Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David W Noon Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 3:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3? On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:14:52 -0500, Walt Farrell (walt.farr...@gmail.com) wrote

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

a use-case? Rob Schramm On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:53 PM David W Noon < 013a910fd252-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:14:52 -0500, Walt Farrell > (walt.farr...@gmail.com) wrote about "Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?" > (in <497475833

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:14:52 -0500, Walt Farrell (walt.farr...@gmail.com) wrote about "Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?" (in <4974758334821366.wa.walt.farrellgmail@listserv.ua.edu>): > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:40:59 -0500, Paul Gilmartin <paulgboul...@aim.com> >

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:40:59 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Dynamic STEPLIB has been discussed in these fora so often that I suspect >it's the subject of numerous RFEs. I suspect there are technical reasons >that IBM has not rushed to provide the function. Is the design of

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 10:25:34 -0400, John Eells wrote: > >> Is IBM under any obligation to announce changes to the z/OS internals which >> do >> not affect supported (GUPI) user interfaces? > > >I'm not sure this has ever come up exactly this way before, so here is >an overview of what I think we

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

, September 21, 2017 6:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3? The ad strongly implies that it would impact a successful z/OS 2.3 migration. I agree there is no formal support. That is also true for a lot of open source software but because

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

University of Florida (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3? Daniel S. Dalby wrote

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Daniel S. Dalby wrote: >I can tell you that the CBT Steplib (file 452) works flawlessly on zOS 2.3. >I happen to work for a vendor and we have an early release and we use it daily >since we installed 2.3. Before z/OS v2.3 is GA on 2017-09-29? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Sorry to be late for the party ... I can tell you that the CBT Steplib (file 452) works flawlessly on zOS 2.3. I happen to work for a vendor and we have an early release and we use it daily since we installed 2.3. Dan D -- For

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

: [EXTERNAL] Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3? The ad does not say they won't work anymore; just that they are unsupported. That is certainly a truism in any event for CBT software. If you're planning a z/OS migration, your CBT STEPLIB facility and CA TSOPLUS STEPLIB software

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

to the latest z/OS operating systems. CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity. Original message From: Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Date: 9/21/17 6:28 PM (GMT+01:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Dynamic Steplib an

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 12:56:22 +, Dyck, Lionel B. wrote: >Tone software in an advertisement from Enterprise Systems Media >just claimed that the CBT STEPLIB command and CA's TSOPLUS STEPLIB >will not work with z/OS 2.3 in a move to sell their DYNA-STEP. I don't know the answer, but I did

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 12:56:22 +, Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA) wrote: Tone software in an advertisement from Enterprise Systems Media just claimed that the CBT STEPLIB command and CA's TSOPLUS STEPLIB will not work with z/OS 2.3 in a move to sell their DYNA-STEP. I have no

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 12:56:22 +, Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA) wrote: >Tone software in an advertisement from Enterprise Systems Media just claimed >that the CBT STEPLIB command and CA's TSOPLUS STEPLIB will not work with z/OS >2.3 in a move to sell their DYNA-STEP. > >I have no problems with

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 12:56:22 +, Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA) wrote: Hi Lionel, CA has withdrawn TSOPLUS from support and marketing before z/OS V2r2. It has a check in it for the operating system level. For a while we ran it on z/OS V2R2 and I zapped it prevent it from

Re: Dynamic Steplib and z/OS 2.3?

Lionel, you asked ALMOST the same question as I wanted to - when I read the Ad. The question I would ask is "was there a change in 2.3 that killed these tools. And, if so, what was it?" Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Cloud & Systems