Assuming that structure is free for all to use! (Open Source joke)
On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 12:39 AM Timothy Sipples wrote:
> There's a good organizational structure potentially available:
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> https://www.openmainframeproject.org
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> I assume the goal ought to be to have something better than the
That's correct, happy to answer any questions about the project :-)
Possibly as a new thread it better suited.
Deeply honored to be mentioned on this list, thanks Grant!
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 09:52 Mike Schwab wrote:
> I would assume the goal to be 'use PC disks as mainframe DASD'.
>
> On Sat,
There's a good organizational structure potentially available:
https://www.openmainframeproject.org
I assume the goal ought to be to have something better than the Master the
Mainframe Learning System, already available free of charge:
On 7/4/20 7:20 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
To clarify, I believe that such a co-op would need to identify the
potential issues and hash them out up front in order for the idea to
be viable. In some cases there could be a consensus, in others an
arbitrary choice might be necessary. What is
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On 7/3/20 11:13 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Interesting. Some questions come to mind.
Discussion is good.
> Would it have to have current software to attract the open source
> community?
I don't think that bleeding edge is neede
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Pennies. The Toolkit is highly worth it.
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Would love to know more about what your FICON buddy is working on Grant.
If you wanna share (prefer off-list?), please email :)
Unless IBM explicitly sets up college courses or NDA-tied free-roam access or
whatever
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The easiest hardware upgrade by far is turning on more CPs or bumping
the aggregate CP capacity on existing hardware. Raising the MSU
I mange a data center where we provide both 'out-sourcing' and DR
facilities. Several years ago, we tried to put some sort of co-op
together for developers or hobbyist, but nobody seemed interested.
I have extra processors on hand and I also have other processors that
are used only at
The easiest hardware upgrade by far is turning on more CPs or bumping
the aggregate CP capacity on existing hardware. Raising the MSU
capacity on existing hardware never decreases software cost and usually
increases software costs, sometimes very significantly. Note that Jesse
refers to a CPU
I would assume the goal to be 'use PC disks as mainframe DASD'.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 3:46 AM kekronbekron
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> Would love to know more about what your FICON buddy is working on Grant.
> If you wanna share (prefer off-list?), please email :)
On 7/3/2020 12:16 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
Ah, software cost. I still remember the first CPU upgrade after the insinuation
of tiered pricing. We budgeted for the hardware and extracted approval from
management. Then we were bowled over when the software bills rolled in. Of
course it was
On 7/3/20 9:46 PM, kekronbekron wrote:
Would love to know more about what your FICON buddy is working
on Grant.
Check out Christian Svensson's (@blueCmd [1]) fejkon project on GitHub
[2] and his blog (?) [3]. It's all public information.
If you wanna share (prefer off-list?), please email
In fact, if IBM really does consider this, they might as well also build a
near-real-time security monitoring product for Z, using CDPz as a source pump.
Maybe Z Operations Insight Suite already has security-specific
dashboard(s)/reports...
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Besides, any opportunity that allows others to poke at the platform, is an
opportunity well-left (for IBM).
However, since IBM now has controls like
a) ALLOWUSERKEY
b) z/OS Authorized Code Scanner
c) near-real-time interfaces to SMF and tools like CDPz
... they should be capable of seting up a
Would love to know more about what your FICON buddy is working on Grant.
If you wanna share (prefer off-list?), please email :)
Unless IBM explicitly sets up college courses or NDA-tied free-roam access or
whatever, it's only going to be the likes of zAcademy, i.e., restricted lab
environments
hinking about this. You might ask yourself "how do we tune that
> > model so that we could get the price down to $X?" ... whatever you think
> > your $X should be. And if you wanted to involve IBM in your discussions the
> > Dallas folks might be the right place to s
The RMF reports only what could be run on an assist processor without
change. The assist process could be missing, busy when the work came
up, was too short a segment to switch to an assist processor. It
doesn't show what could be run on an assist process with a rewrite.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at
On Jul 3, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
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> RMF has reports of what COULD run on assist processors and if you have
> them what DID run on assist processors.
Right. But in our case what COULD run on zIIP was going to depend on whether or
not we could rewrite our code.
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Sounds great--BUT--as IBM Marketing idiots have done in the past..look for $$
..instead of helping the enhancement of systems and training of new upcoming
tech. people.
Yes this would be a great deal in the forth coming future, but I do not see IBM
Mgnt. Thinking in the lines of the future of
Pennies. The Toolkit is highly worth it.
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Years ago, in Silicon Valley, I worked on ACS/OBS WYLBUR. We had a P/390 that I
had tuned the I/O for to really speed it up. ACS also sold time on their
systems.
Contractually, we were only allowed to charge access costs for
RMF has reports of what COULD run on assist processors and if you have
them what DID run on assist processors.
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> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote:
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> > I'm curious: what about adding zIIPs was challenging?
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On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote:
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> I'm curious: what about adding zIIPs was challenging?
1. Determining what our zIIP and non-zIIP capacity
On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote:
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> I'm curious: what about adding zIIPs was challenging?
1. Determining what our zIIP and non-zIIP capacity needs would be. In other
words, since we didn’t have zIIPs before we weren’t sure how much of our
workload would actually run on the
give a
possible baseline for discussions of "what would a mainframe co-op look like?"
Charles
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And if you wanted to involve IBM in your discussions the Dallas folks
>might be the right place to start.
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>Hopefully that link works. I am not sure PDS's make the best Web repositories.
>(Gasp! Mainframe her
I'm curious: what about adding zIIPs was challenging?
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On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 10:18:13AM -0600, Grant Taylor wrote:
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> There are a group of hobbyists and enthusiasts that have taken MVS
> 3.8j, which decidedly does not includ
that
> model so that we could get the price down to $X?" ... whatever you think your
> $X should be. And if you wanted to involve IBM in your discussions the Dallas
> folks might be the right place to start.
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> http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/MVSDS/'HTTPD2.ENROL.PUBLIC.SHTML(ZO
On Jul 3, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
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> Ah, software cost. I still remember the first CPU upgrade after the
> insinuation of tiered pricing. We budgeted for the hardware and extracted
> approval from management. Then we were bowled over when the software bills
> rolled in. Of
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My management decided against it, but a couple years ago, a new low
MVSDS/'HTTPD2.ENROL.PUBLIC.SHTML(ZOSRDP)'
Hopefully that link works. I am not sure PDS's make the best Web repositories.
(Gasp! Mainframe heresy!)
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On 7/3/20 11:13 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Interesting. Some questions come to mind.
Discussion is good.
> Would it have to have current software to attract the open
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> On 7/3/20 11:52 AM, scott Ford wrote:
> > I have think more or less along the same lines Grant., since I have retired
>
> Will you please ela
On 7/3/20 11:52 AM, scott Ford wrote:
I have think more or less along the same lines Grant., since I have retired
Will you please elaborate on what you think and why you think it.
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I have think more or less along the same lines Grant., since I have retired
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:22 PM Tomasz Rola wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 10:18:13AM -0600, Grant Taylor wrote:
> [...]
> > There are a group of hobbyists and enthusiasts that have taken MVS
> > 3.8j, which
On 7/3/20 11:13 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Interesting. Some questions come to mind.
Discussion is good.
Would it have to have current software to attract the open source
community?
I don't think that bleeding edge is needed in any way shape or form.
My personal interest would be something
On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 10:18:13AM -0600, Grant Taylor wrote:
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> There are a group of hobbyists and enthusiasts that have taken MVS
> 3.8j, which decidedly does not include REXX or prerequisites
> therefor, and backported (?) REXX to it, including re-creating any
> prerequisites.
>
> This is
Interesting. Some questions come to mind.
Would it have to have current software to attract the open source community?
What sort of support would be available from IBM and from volunteers?
Would IBM partially subsidize it if you could show that it would expand the
market?
How would you make
On 7/3/20 10:12 AM, Grant Taylor wrote:
I know multiple people that have CPCs. But they don't currently have
DASD. I think at least one of them has a line on legal licenses for
z/OS for his CPC.
One of the people I know is developing his own FICON connected DASD by
reading any and all
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