On 2020-06-26 15:21, Gord Tomlin wrote:
On 2020-06-26 12:57, Henri Kuiper wrote:
here’s a little “why” for the existence of the thing
:https://zdevops.tumblr.com/post/620908065704853504/mainframe-community-mattermost
I read the above, and then headed over to see https://mainframe.community/
2020 9:46 PM
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On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 00:21:08 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
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>> Should they turn off their Hebrew or Chinese names too?
>
>Yes, for variables names in code samples where the language doesn't allow them.
>Co
I Manifest Hostile Opinions
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 22:28:02 -0400, Doug wrote:
>
> >We currently have a Strong Supportive group. Opinions are freely given
> and taken period. Banter and
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 22:28:02 -0400, Doug wrote:
>We currently have a Strong Supportive group. Opinions are freely given and
>taken period. Banter and brainstorming lead to ideas that when given the space
>to grow are fortuitous for all.
>Continue as we have and we will still be a great group!
We currently have a Strong Supportive group. Opinions are freely given and
taken period. Banter and brainstorming lead to ideas that when given the space
to grow are fortuitous for all.
Continue as we have and we will still be a great group!
Participants in the ‘new community’ are trying to
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 00:21:08 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
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>> Should they turn off their Hebrew or Chinese names too?
>
>Yes, for variables names in code samples where the language doesn't allow
>them.
>Consider these two lines in a PL/I program for a compiler that supports
>Unicode.
>The
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Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org]
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+1 on redundant replies.
> wish is that the WWW interface supported composing in a
> monospaced font
What's the difference? It shows up for th
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 16:06:56 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>No, I know of no computer language that treats "smart" quotes as equivalent to
>
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 16:06:56 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>No, I know of no computer language that treats "smart" quotes as equivalent to
>"dumb" quotes. Did not know you were referring to code samples. You meant
>smart quotes in code samples in IBM manuals? That is just flat out wrong,
>wrong,
M
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:33:36 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>+1 on redundant replies.
>
>> wish is that the WWW interface supported composing in a
>> monospaced font
>
>What's the difference? It shows up for t
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:33:36 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>+1 on redundant replies.
>
>> wish is that the WWW interface supported composing in a
>> monospaced font
>
>What's the difference? It shows up for the recipient in whatever font they
>choose, typically monospaced.
>
But I'm the
s for centuries.
Charles
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:46:06 -0700, Char
Of course Charles is correct-I did not mean to imply that I thought IBM-MAIN
was the zenith of information sharing. It's still on LISTSERV, which is
near to my heart as a long-time VMer, but whose day has largely come and
gone, due to the issues Charles mentions (and more).
Now, if someone
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:46:06 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>There *are* IMHO some problems with IBMMAIN but it is not clear to me that
>they are significant enough to worry about nor that some new forum would
>necessarily be better overall.
>
>- Searchability. The archives leave a lot to be desired
.
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Henri Kuiper wrote:
>Wow. What a lot of pushback.
Well, nobody has offered any problem that this new forum is going to solve.
Nor does that web page you cite: it says "I did this technically interesting
th
Henri Kuiper wrote:
>Wow. What a lot of pushback.
Well, nobody has offered any problem that this new forum is going to solve. Nor
does that web page you cite: it says "I did this technically interesting
thing", but that isn't solving a *problem*. That's my objection: we have a
solution to
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 12:57, Henri Kuiper wrote:
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> Wow. What a lot of pushback.
>
> This is (IMHO) precisely what’s wrong with the (generic average) mainframe
> community. New is bad. Different is bad.
No one has said anything remotely like that.
> Dudes (m/f) : it’s not the 80s anymore.
On 2020-06-26 12:57, Henri Kuiper wrote:
here’s a little “why” for the existence of the thing
:https://zdevops.tumblr.com/post/620908065704853504/mainframe-community-mattermost
I read the above, and then headed over to see https://mainframe.community/
I see that the privacy policy and terms
Inscrutable mostly harmless offal.
btw, there's this new thing, Google. It's free to try.
sas
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I know this is off topic but what does IMHO stand for?
Thanks,
Ron McCabe
Manager of Mainframe/Midrange Systems
Mutua
On Jun 26, 2020, at 1:43 PM, McCabe, Ron wrote:
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> I know this is off topic but what does IMHO stand for?
>
In My Humble Opinion.
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> I was
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I was referring to the generic average. Not to anything anyone wrote here.
I already regret replying.
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> On 26 Jun 2020, at 19:30, Seymour J Metz wrote:
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; Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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y, June 26, 2020 12:57 PM
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Wow. What a lot of pushback.
This is (IMHO) precisely what’s wrong with the (generic average) mainframe
community. New is bad. Different is bad.
Dudes (m/f) : it’s not the 80s anymore.
That being sai
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>> From: "Lionel B Dyck"
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:24:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
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>> Carmen - never put yourself down. While you may not be 'as smart' as som
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Carmen - never put yourself down. While you may not be 'as smart' as some, I'm
sure you are 'smarter' than some as well. We each bring to the table
(forum/life) our own skills and capabilities whi
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Increasingly rare though.
Looking across all of our customer requests for the last month or so, I do see
users who came in on IE, but in every one of those instances, somebody else
from the company came in on Chrome, Firefox, or Edge
Dyck"
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Carmen - never put yourself down. While you may not be 'as smart' as some, I'm
sure you are 'smarter' than some as well. We each bring to the table
(forum/life) our own skills and ca
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Kolusu, thank you for the history lesson, I personally would never 'advertise'
(suggest) this site if I knew how low some folks will go to sell answers, I
kno
for reaching out to me and not shaming me more on the forum
Carmen Vitullo
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> well then - they miss out on me, I've got free a
I wouldn't use a non-evergreen browser! But some companies want to
control updates which is probably corporate policy albeit brain-damaged.
I would be leery about connecting to the internet using IE!
On 2020-06-16 7:36 PM, Scott Chapman wrote:
Increasingly rare though.
Looking across all of
Increasingly rare though.
Looking across all of our customer requests for the last month or so, I do see
users who came in on IE, but in every one of those instances, somebody else
from the company came in on Chrome, Firefox, or Edge (which the earlier
versions weren't that much better than
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When searching google for manuals, I seem to remember coming across a site that
has uploaded things like redbooks and (I believe) charges for access. Sorry no
link right now but I'm sure I remember this.
P.S. That'll
When searching google for manuals, I seem to remember coming across a
site that has uploaded things like redbooks and (I believe) charges for
access. Sorry no link right now but I'm sure I remember this.
P.S. That'll be $19.99 for this information. But wait... if you call
right now you can
llo
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Sri h Kolusu"
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:01:41 PM
> Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
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> > well then - they miss out on me, I've got free answers, and I know a
> >
Yeah, MS finally got the message. The newest "Edge" is yet another wrapper
around Chromium, so presumably it doesn't suck quite as hard as MS browsers
traditionally do. But I'm just going to assume that the best it can be
isn't good enough to use it.
sas
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:06 PM Seymour
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Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community
Lionel B Dyck wrote:
>Check this out - looks new but promising
>https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Hxjnbu-7QL9NZvqzYa_Oy2C7KBtwM6hflC-fnf5qwAfExalxQ2IKvdbQaBAaCtRwPLgafx76jZ88noTjlbkGbOzsG-J2taCO3lLAwX3hZ8C
folks I knew that
were mentors, I never knew they started promoting ads.
thanks for pointing that out
Carmen Vitullo
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Wow, "corporate-required Internet Explorer"! Your company needs to
review some of it's standards!!
On 2020-06-15 12:30 PM, Far
> well then - they miss out on me, I've got free answers, and I know a
> lot of folks - beginners mostly that received good help.
I was a member of those sites and provided numerous answers (skolusu) and
quit when they started forcing ads.
>I have much more work to do than research other sites.
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>>> sell answers? first I heard, pathetic ?
They DO sell the answers. go check on the parent site. I consider any one
selling the knowledge of other is
ion involved. The site
your refer is also being run by the same folks that I mentioned earlier.
Thanks,
Kolusu
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> From: Carmen Vitullo
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Date: 06/15/2020 10:28 AM
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: New Ma
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Carmen,
You are advertising a site that leaches answers and sells the answers?
Sites that you refer stemmed out of this site. It is such a pathetic site
that they even copy the name
That does seem a little unusual. It makes me wonder if Google can get
to the notes for outside indexing. Tested: Apparently not. A google
search for the URL comes up with only a few hits, and all bring me to
the logon page when I click on them.
On 6/15/2020 8:25 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
Carmen,
You are advertising a site that leaches answers and sells the answers?
Sites that you refer stemmed out of this site. It is such a pathetic site
that they even copy the name of the site.
http://www.mvsforums.com/helpboards/viewtopic.php?t=584=mcmillan
I need an account, I cannot view the community first?
Other than this forum I like IBM MAINFRAME forum, I can help others and still
ask basic questions here without getting flamed :)
IBM MAINFRAME FORUM • For Mainframe Beginners and Students
Carmen Vitullo
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ackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on
> the
> vine.
>
> Charles
>
>
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On 2020-06-15 00:49, David Crayford wrote:
Wow, "corporate-required Internet Explorer"! Your company needs to
review some of it's standards!!
We still encounter this now and then in our customer base.
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I thought the StackOverflow forum was extremely promising but it died on the
vine.
Charles
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Lionel B Dyck wrote:
>Check this out - looks new but promising
>https://mainframe.community/
Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but
moving it from this list has been
Wow, "corporate-required Internet Explorer"! Your company needs to
review some of it's standards!!
On 2020-06-15 12:30 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
corporate-required Internet Explorer
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Lionel B Dyck wrote:
>Check this out - looks new but promising
>https://mainframe.community/
Just what we n
Lionel B Dyck wrote:
>Check this out - looks new but promising
>https://mainframe.community/
Just what we need: Yet another nascent mainframe forum that will die on the
vine. Not that community is a bad thing, it's not-but
moving it from this list has been tried repeatedly: mainframezone,
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