Re: [IRCA] We're moving to groups.io

[Chuck Hutton]

Good news! And congratulations for bringing this to a conclusion.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Bruce Portzer 

Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 8:32 AM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: [IRCA] We're moving to groups.io

Everyone

The time has come for moving this message group to groups.io. Many
radio-related groups are already using this service, so most of you
should be familiar with it.  It definitely has a lot to offer for groups
like ours.

You will soon receive an e-mail from Lynn Hollerman inviting you to join
a new group called i...@groups.io. *You'll need to reply to it if you
wish to join the new group*.  Other information about the change will be
in the e-mail.  Note that this process is different than migrating from
Yahoo group, where migration was automatic.  The current e-mail group
will eventually be shut down, so you'll need to join the new one in
order to continue receiving posts.

You can start posting your messages as soon as you make the move.
Groups.io has a number of features which should be useful to us.  You
can  learn more at https://groups.io/static/features .  Information
specific to our group can be found at https://groups.io/g/IRCA . I'm
sure we'll soon find uses for them.

This is the type of change many have been looking for, so go ahead and
send those long reports with elaborate attachments (within reason,
anyway.  An hour-long Perseus file would be frowned upon).  Feel
free to respond with questions and comments.

Bruce





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Re: [IRCA] Exotic Sunrise DX Targets in Hawaii- the Japanese "Cheat Sheet"

[Chuck Hutton]

Gary:

Except for 990 (with an assumed strong null towards us), they've all (not just 
some) been heard in Newfoundland.
I'd add Saudi Arabia 1521 to the list. Perhaps UAE also.

Good luck with the Hong Kong QRM. I expect it will be tough.

Chuck




From: IRCA  on behalf of Gary DeBock 

Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 4:47 PM
To: America, Mailing
Subject: [IRCA] Exotic Sunrise DX Targets in Hawaii- the Japanese "Cheat Sheet"

In preparation for a trip to Hong Kong early next month I asked my Japanese 
DXer friends to suggest a few long range African, Middle East and European MW 
stations that I could try to track down on a Hong Kong beach around sunrise. Of 
course this is something that I should have done prior to the November Hawaii 
DXpedition-- but hindsight is always 20/20.

Rockwork DXpedition partner Satoshi Miyauchi and long-term DXer friend Hiroyuki 
Okamura were extremely helpful in introducing the following list of long range 
big guns, which have an excellent record of showing up in the tough Japanese 
DXing environment. One of them (702-BBC) was actually received in Hawaii at 
good strength last November, but that was by blind luck.

Gary-san,ペディション楽しみですね。中東、アフリカ、ヨーロッパの信号が強い放送局は。
702-BBC-Oman,720-BBC-Oman
990-SAWA,999-TWR,917-Nigeria,950-Eritoria,1233-Monte 
Calro,1134-Kuwait,936-Iran,ほかにも色々。

Gary-san, wishing you best DXing there!
楽しみですね！
自宅では、最近下記二局が受信できました。
1449kHz IRAN as early as 1530UTC
1548kHz TWR-Mordova *1900 UTC starts ..

East coast TA-DXers will probably recognize several of these as big gun 
regulars, but the challenge of tracking them down in Hawaii during a "hit and 
run" DXpedition is likely to be a real thrill. Hawaii local QRM is tough, but 
that only adds to the thrill of the chase. At least we have a "master plan" of 
long range exotic targets-- the first step for DXing success. Having an 
experienced TA-DXer like Chris in our group is another plus. If and when we can 
track down a local Kauai island contact to store gear for us in between trips, 
the "Frequent Flyer" DXers could become quite a bit more ambitious and 
fanatical.

Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA)




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Re: [IRCA] XHDATA D-808

[Chuck Hutton]

The 18650 battery used in the 808 is available at Walmart, Amazon and a zillion 
eBay delaers.
They are the standard for higher power lithium batteries and are used in most 
of the modern super-bright flashlights.

Chuck



Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:33:20 -0400
> From: Mike Keval Brooker 
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> , NRC 
> Subject: [IRCA] XHDATA D-808
>

 Jury is still out on the
> D-808's lithium battery. I have no idea how long the it will last, how
> often it will need to be recharged (so far, it doesn't seem like it will
> need to be plugged in every night like my phone) and how many recharges it
> can handle before it craps out and needs to be replaced. I don't think
> lithium batteries like the one in the D-808 are easy to find or are even
> sold in North America.
>

> 73
>
> Mike Brooker
> Toronto, ON
>
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] November 2019 Kauai, Hawaii DXpedition

[Chuck Hutton]

Kapaa, where I spent my second honeymoon and learned of Gabby Pahinui, Theresa 
Bright and Frank Hewitt (musicians) plus a lot more via KITH-FM. It was a 
special place.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Martin Foltz 

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 7:02 PM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] November 2019 Kauai, Hawaii DXpedition

Will probably go there in August. Our daughter lives in Kapaa. But will enjoy 
reading all the reports.
Martin

> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 00:40:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Gary DeBock 
> To: "America, Mailing" , NRC
>
> Subject: [IRCA] November 2019 Kauai, Hawaii DXpedition
> Message-ID: <760360234.9073.1550652046...@connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Looking for a dream location in the forward Pacific with the chance to track 
> down MW stations from Africa and the Middle East-- in addition to the entire 
> continent of Asia? Consider joining the November 1-7 ocean beach DXpedition 
> at Poipu Kai on Hawaii's Kauai Island-- the closest of the main Hawaiian 
> islands to Asia. This point features an unobstructed salt water path to Asia 
> and the South Pacific, as well as to North and South America.
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Re: [IRCA] Coax Cable

[Chuck Hutton]

I don't see any reason (economic or electrical) to use any of the alternatives 
except Cat5 / CAT6. The balanced nature of twisted pair can only be an 
advantage.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Mark Connelly via IRCA 

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 9:44 PM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Cc: Mark Connelly
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Coax Cable

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Re: [IRCA] New Kiwi SDR in Victoria

[Chuck Hutton]

You mentioned the setup is destined for Walt's  cabin so I assume your Victoria 
antenna and attenuation and orientation are not what matters.
They don't apply to Walt's cabin, right?

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of R. Colin Newell 

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 6:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] New Kiwi SDR in Victoria

Uhm Walt?

We have all kinds of ideas for antennas - but likely N or NW FLAG OR KAZ.

I’m more interested in whether you can connect and how fast the connection is.

Thanks Charles.

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Jan 28, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:
>
> Walt won't be using an ALA100, righty?
> So should we ignore the antenna, orientation  and attenuation aspects and 
> just comment on connectivity?
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] New Kiwi SDR in Victoria

[Chuck Hutton]

Walt won't be using an ALA100, righty?
So should we ignore the antenna, orientation  and attenuation aspects and just 
comment on connectivity?

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of R. Colin Newell 

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 6:06 PM
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Subject: [IRCA] New Kiwi SDR in Victoria

184.66.42.39:8073

On for thé evening -

Connected to ALA100 and 5m E-W loop.

+ 16db pad to reduce overload.

25 minute idle limit -

Have at it - performance reports appreciated


Colin Newell
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Re: [IRCA] Coax Cable

[Chuck Hutton]

It matters a little because you lose power due to the mismatch.
In principle, you lose 5.7 dB when transforming 50 to 75 Ohms or vice versa.  
While not a lot, that is enough to make a noticeable difference with a small 
antenna or poor receiver. With a Beverage and a good receiver, no problem.
RG58 is the 50 Ohm standard and is super widely available.
But the most important reason to use 75 Ohm RF6 0 to me - is that the RG6 crimp 
connectors are waterproof.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Volodya S 

Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 9:57 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Coax Cable

Chuck, I stand corrected.  For our hobby purposes, 50 vs 75 ohms doesn't
seem to matter, and 75 Ohm cable is much easier and cheaper to find than RG
58 50 Ohm cable!   Walt

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 5:53 AM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Walt -
>
> Belden 8215 is RG6 and is 75 Ohms, not 50 Ohms.
>
> Chuck
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Volodya S <
> can...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:10 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Coax Cable
>
> High, Jim!  I think you have little to worry about no matter what you
> choose, electrically, at least.  The more important issue is durability.
> Depending on what I'm doing, I use different coax cables.   Lengths
> shouldn't be an issue, either.  We experimented with lengths up to 1000' at
> Grayland many years ago, and no difference was seen between (K9AYs, I
> believe) at the ocean shore, or right next to the Grayland Motel, so don't
> worry about that.   Next is weight.  When travelling, I'll use the super
> thin RG174 coax (50 ohm), which fits nicely into the suitcase at minimal
> weight.  For cost, one can't beat 75 ohm RG6 coax which can be purchased
> everywhere for pennies a foot.  I've used that a lot over the years, and it
> lasts well for a number of years outside.  Now for more permanent weather
> impervious coax, I've used a very heavy duty Belden 8215 milspec 50 ohm
> cable.  I was fortunate to buy military surplus brand new role of about
> 1000' or so years ago, and it's virtually indestructible, and can be buried
> without worry about water infiltration, at least not for years.   A local
> DXer, Brian Chapel, gave a great idea, though, about what to use with
> regular coax if one buries it on runs.  He recommended buying a long run
> (or runs that have been thrown out) of garden hose.   What a great idea.
> Then you simply run the coax through it from one end to the other.   Don't
> know if anyone has tried this, but if it remains intact, it should keep
> coax dry and clean for many years, buried.   Any other thoughts?73,
>  Walt
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 10:26 PM James Niven  wrote:
>
> > I am curious as to what type of coax everyone uses for DKAZ antennas and
> > also general international shortwave band listening dipoles?
> >
> > It's time to revamp my antennas and I want to use the right cable that
> will
> > last for a while.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have read that RG-8U is good for long runs of a 100 to 150 feet, and
> if I
> > was to bury my coax, which is the best pipe/conduit to use to bring my
> > cables into the shack?
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > James Niven
> >
> > Austin, Texas
> >
> >
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Re: [IRCA] Coax Cable

[Chuck Hutton]

Walt -

Belden 8215 is RG6 and is 75 Ohms, not 50 Ohms.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Volodya S 

Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:10 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Coax Cable

High, Jim!  I think you have little to worry about no matter what you
choose, electrically, at least.  The more important issue is durability.
Depending on what I'm doing, I use different coax cables.   Lengths
shouldn't be an issue, either.  We experimented with lengths up to 1000' at
Grayland many years ago, and no difference was seen between (K9AYs, I
believe) at the ocean shore, or right next to the Grayland Motel, so don't
worry about that.   Next is weight.  When travelling, I'll use the super
thin RG174 coax (50 ohm), which fits nicely into the suitcase at minimal
weight.  For cost, one can't beat 75 ohm RG6 coax which can be purchased
everywhere for pennies a foot.  I've used that a lot over the years, and it
lasts well for a number of years outside.  Now for more permanent weather
impervious coax, I've used a very heavy duty Belden 8215 milspec 50 ohm
cable.  I was fortunate to buy military surplus brand new role of about
1000' or so years ago, and it's virtually indestructible, and can be buried
without worry about water infiltration, at least not for years.   A local
DXer, Brian Chapel, gave a great idea, though, about what to use with
regular coax if one buries it on runs.  He recommended buying a long run
(or runs that have been thrown out) of garden hose.   What a great idea.
Then you simply run the coax through it from one end to the other.   Don't
know if anyone has tried this, but if it remains intact, it should keep
coax dry and clean for many years, buried.   Any other thoughts?73,
 Walt

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 10:26 PM James Niven  wrote:

> I am curious as to what type of coax everyone uses for DKAZ antennas and
> also general international shortwave band listening dipoles?
>
> It's time to revamp my antennas and I want to use the right cable that will
> last for a while.
>
>
>
> I have read that RG-8U is good for long runs of a 100 to 150 feet, and if I
> was to bury my coax, which is the best pipe/conduit to use to bring my
> cables into the shack?
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> James Niven
>
> Austin, Texas
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] DX ALERT - FAROES ISLAND 531

[Chuck Hutton]

Nice to see it re-appear. It's  a sign of exciting bottom of the cycle times.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Sylvain Naud 

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 6:22 PM
To: International Radio Club of America
Subject: [IRCA] DX ALERT - FAROES ISLAND 531

DX ALERT - Faroes Islands on 531 KHz with Folk music & talk. // to their
webstream https://kvf.fo/
#
(21:00 EST)

Sylvain Naud
Portneuf, QC
Perseus + 1475ft Beverage @ 35 degrees
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Re: [IRCA] Follow-up on Romania thread

[Chuck Hutton]

Those are good catches.

I'm trying to keep an eye on the Romanians too. So far, no success to hear 
Radio Timoisoara 630 or RRA 531. Anybody heard them?

Chuck


From: James Renfrew 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:49 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Follow-up on Romania thread

Jim Renfrew, Clarendon NY

I'm reviewing Perseus recordings from Cappahayden Newfound in November 2018, 
using our "north" wire.  Tonight I ran across an interesting situation on NOV 
13, 1829:50 - 1830:00 UTC.

1.  A haunting female vocal is weak under BBC on 909.  I manage to parallel 
this same music with 1404 and 1593.  Much stronger on 1404, poor on 1593.  Must 
be Radio Cluj, which is scheduled at that time on transmitters in Cluj 909 
200kw, Sighetul 1404 and 2 synchros on 1593.  I previously heard an ID for 
"Radio Cluj" 1404 at 1800z.  And it is pronounced "clooge".

2.  Meanwhile, underneath the music on Radio Cluj 909 there is a barely 
discernible "Radio Romania Actualtati", but it's not a voice-over, it's a 
different station and I find multiple parallels to this on 945, 1152, 1179, 
1404, 1422 and 1530, none of which have the haunting female vocal, except 1404 
which is also 2 Romanian signals.  The 909 RRA station in Timisoara is 50 kW.

So, yes, the two separate signals on 909 are also on 1440 at the same time.  An 
interesting "pile-up" of co-channel Romanians.

JIm Renfrew, Clarendon NY

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Re: [IRCA] dual receiver SDRs for diversity reception / phasing

[Chuck Hutton]

I haven't seen an answer so I will jump in.

Digital phasing has the advantage that the phase shift is independent  of 
hardware and perfectly linear across the MW band, Slight changes to ferrite 
permeability are not a problem when you do the phase shift with a simple 
transform.

Recording 2 channels and phasing them post facto really doesn't require a 
different wav file for each channel. It does require that the PC software be 
able to locate the samples in each file that were sampled at the same time..

As far as your problems with finding time to play back files, I'll pass on that 
and view it as a generic problem that is not caused by phasing.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:33 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; 
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Cc: Mark Connelly
Subject: Re: [IRCA] dual receiver SDRs for diversity reception / phasing

Thanks for addressing this Mark, and saving me
fine tuning my own comments, which were essentially:

Is SDR phasing live any better than hardware
phasing?  If it's not, then all you're doing is
replacing a piece of hardware with perhaps a
heavier duty computer, are you not?

Phasing files as they are played back would be
the technological game changer.   I suspect that
doing that means recording a different kind of
.wav file that includes a counter in its header,
so that samples recorded from one locked receiver
can be matched up with samples from the other
during playback.   More informed folks than I
could comment on the feasibility of that, or whether it exists already.

Would it make any difference to the average
DXer?   I don't seem to have time to play back
some of the files from my good openings at home,
let alone from DXpeditions.  The
enhanced  ability to winkle out more DX from
files that I'm not listening to anyway may not be
all that helpful, hi.  (of course, if I stopped
bloviating, there might be more time...)

I seem to recall one SDR manufacturer a few years
ago thinking that there would be little market
for such a device, even if you provided all
manner of hand-holding software, which is the
quite expensive to produce, especially if you want it to function well.

best wishes,

Nick






At 04:06 2019-01-16, Mark Connelly via IRCA wrote:


>I would be willing to have a receiver that just
>saved half the MW bandwidth, e.g. 700 kHz, in
>capture files if it had the I/Q streams from the
>two receivers.  But with receivers doing 3, 6,
>and more MHz of capture these days, why can't we
>get the whole 510-1710 stretch?
>
>Basic requirements:
>
>*** Phasing can be done after the fact on
>capture files both manually and, when channels
>are reasonably similar, automatically.
>
>*** The two receivers can be slaved to each
>other for diversity and phasing applications or tuned independently.
>
>*** There must be the provision for separate antenna inputs.
>
>*** User can save null solution data to an INI
>file that can be recalled later.  This file
>should be plain text suitable for importation
>into antenna-testing technical articles, DXpedition reports, etc.
>
>You need to be able to adjust both gain of each
>channel and the delta-phase / delta-time between
>them.  You are not always using identical gain
>and pattern antennas. In fact you could be using
>two opposite ends of the same SuperLoop or
>DKAZ.  East end could have 880 WCBS at S-9 and
>882 UK at S-8; west end might have WCBS S9+20
>and UK S-5.  So why should you not be able to
>put 20 dB attenuation on the west end to make
>WCBS S-9 and then phase it against the east end
>to provide vastly cleaner pick-up of 882 UK?  I
>can certainly do that with the Quantum Phaser and several homebrew models.
>
>If you can adjust after the fact on capture
>files you can run several different gain / phase
>scenarios on, let's say, a graveyard
>channel.  By moving the null around the
>compass, as with a conventional rotatable loop,
>you could pull as many as 6 to 8 different ID's
>out of a single channel at a particular time.
>
>You could also think about applying a gain /
>phase curve.  Let's say you used an (A vs. B) 8
>dB delta gain / 100 ns delta time solution to
>take down 770 WABC and 6 dB / 90 ns to take out
>880 WCBS.  In-between frequencies could be
>adjusted "on the curve".  820 WNYC, in a
>similar direction as 770 and 880, could be
>expected to null at something like 7 dB delta
>gain / 95 ns delta time.  This sort of
>mathematical manipulation of the data streams
>could help to broadband the nulling pattern when
>using two antennas that don't quite fit the
>textbook scheme of spatially-separated elements
>of identical gain and pick-up pattern.
>
>Phasing only during live DX is not the game
>changer or killer app here.  It's nice maybe to
>eliminate one box on the table but what we
>really want is post facto phasing as well as live DX use.
>
>The baby steps are being taken but

Re: [IRCA] [CapeDX] Re: dual receiver SDRs for diversity reception / phasing

[Chuck Hutton]

You could save some words and make your message simple by simply saying that no 
one is doing after the fact phasing.

Lest anyone wonder why live phasing has a bit of support but after the fact 
phasing doesn't: it's because the former only requires the RF signals to be 
synchronized while the latter requires USB and PC to be synchronized.

Chuck




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Re: [IRCA] dual receiver SDRs for diversity reception / phasing

[Chuck Hutton]

A bittersweet choice is the RSD Duo from SDRPlay.
At around $270 the price is good.
But.
-it's not a good receiver as I and Guy Atkins commented a few months ago.
-SDR Uno is the SDR Play house software and it needs work to support 
phasing. It's not there yet.

So the market is still waiting for a unit that supports live and recorded file 
phasing  of the entire MW band with a good receiver and a good price.


Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Don Moman VE6JY 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] dual receiver SDRs for diversity reception / phasing

I haven't seen them mentioned, and they are not inexpensive but some models
of the ANAN line of SDR transceivers   https://apache-labs.com/  have phase
coherent dual receivers with the ability to do phasing in the software.

I have the Flex 6700 which also has the dual receive aspect but no phasing
control in the software.  I know the Flex (and perhaps the ANAN) doesn't
support any kind of spectral recording.

Don
VE6JY

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 4:33 AM Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> Thanks for addressing this Mark, and saving me
> fine tuning my own comments, which were essentially:
>
> Is SDR phasing live any better than hardware
> phasing?  If it's not, then all you're doing is
> replacing a piece of hardware with perhaps a
> heavier duty computer, are you not?
>
> Phasing files as they are played back would be
> the technological game changer.   I suspect that
> doing that means recording a different kind of
> .wav file that includes a counter in its header,
> so that samples recorded from one locked receiver
> can be matched up with samples from the other
> during playback.   More informed folks than I
> could comment on the feasibility of that, or whether it exists already.
>
> Would it make any difference to the average
> DXer?   I don't seem to have time to play back
> some of the files from my good openings at home,
> let alone from DXpeditions.  The
> enhanced  ability to winkle out more DX from
> files that I'm not listening to anyway may not be
> all that helpful, hi.  (of course, if I stopped
> bloviating, there might be more time...)
>
> I seem to recall one SDR manufacturer a few years
> ago thinking that there would be little market
> for such a device, even if you provided all
> manner of hand-holding software, which is the
> quite expensive to produce, especially if you want it to function well.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 04:06 2019-01-16, Mark Connelly via IRCA wrote:
>
>
> >I would be willing to have a receiver that just
> >saved half the MW bandwidth, e.g. 700 kHz, in
> >capture files if it had the I/Q streams from the
> >two receivers.  But with receivers doing 3, 6,
> >and more MHz of capture these days, why can't we
> >get the whole 510-1710 stretch?
> >
> >Basic requirements:
> >
> >*** Phasing can be done after the fact on
> >capture files both manually and, when channels
> >are reasonably similar, automatically.
> >
> >*** The two receivers can be slaved to each
> >other for diversity and phasing applications or tuned independently.
> >
> >*** There must be the provision for separate antenna inputs.
> >
> >*** User can save null solution data to an INI
> >file that can be recalled later.  This file
> >should be plain text suitable for importation
> >into antenna-testing technical articles, DXpedition reports, etc.
> >
> >You need to be able to adjust both gain of each
> >channel and the delta-phase / delta-time between
> >them.  You are not always using identical gain
> >and pattern antennas. In fact you could be using
> >two opposite ends of the same SuperLoop or
> >DKAZ.  East end could have 880 WCBS at S-9 and
> >882 UK at S-8; west end might have WCBS S9+20
> >and UK S-5.  So why should you not be able to
> >put 20 dB attenuation on the west end to make
> >WCBS S-9 and then phase it against the east end
> >to provide vastly cleaner pick-up of 882 UK?  I
> >can certainly do that with the Quantum Phaser and several homebrew models.
> >
> >If you can adjust after the fact on capture
> >files you can run several different gain / phase
> >scenarios on, let's say, a graveyard
> >channel.  By moving the null around the
> >compass, as with a conventional rotatable loop,
> >you could pull as many as 6 to 8 different ID's
> >out of a single channel at a particular time.
> >
> >You could also think about applying a gain /
> >phase curve.  Let's say you used an (A vs. B) 8
> >dB delta gain / 100 ns delta time solution to
> >take down 770 WABC and 6 dB / 90 ns to take out
> >880 WCBS.  In-between frequencies could be
> >adjusted "on the curve".  820 WNYC, in a
> >similar direction as 770 and 880, could be
> >expected to null at something like 7 dB delta
> >gain / 95 ns delta time.  This sort of
> >mathematical manipulation of the data streams
> >could help to broadband the nulling pattern when

Re: [IRCA] dual receiver SDRs for diversity reception / phasing

[Chuck Hutton]

A couple of drawbacks for the Afedri:

(1) As of a year ago (I have not checked since), the phasing only worked on the 
live signals. No phasing was possible on a recorded file.

(2) It has only a 12 bit converter so is not top of the line.


And something that needs verification: the Afedri was only spec'ed to record 
900 kHz of bandwidth. I see it has recently been changed to 1100 kHz. That's 
enough for me if it performs as advertised.


Chuck

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[IRCA] Roy Barstow's 6330 unid with 11 pips

[Chuck Hutton]

About a week or two ago, Roy reported a station with 11 pips on 630.
This didn't ring an immediate bell with me so  I wondered if it was 2 stations 
with over lapping pips.

Well, no it isn't It is RTT Tunisia, often the dominant station in Newfoundland 
so I should have remembered.

Chuck
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Re: [IRCA] SDR Question

[Chuck Hutton]

Russ:

I wouldn't use the RSP1. It's better than the cheap 8 bit dongles but miles 
short of the Perseus, HF+  and Elad offerings.
The RSP1A is better and might suffice for some DXers but still is not top of 
the line.
The SDRUno software is fairly nice.
The chief advantage if the RSPs is price. However, the HF+ is just a little 
more and is the best receiver out there in my mind. If it recorded the whole MW 
band and had a recording scheduler, it would have no serious holes.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 3:49 PM
To: nrc...@googlegroups.com; 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of 
America'
Subject: [IRCA] SDR Question


Since many DX'ers are now using SDR's, I wonder if anyone else is using the 
SDRPlay RSP1 or 1a for MW and LW. If anyone has been using these, and would be 
interested in sharing their experiences and answering a couple of questions, 
please contact me off-list.


Thanks-


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id


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Re: [IRCA] Time Pips Catalog

[Chuck Hutton]

Russ:

Could we combine your new effort with the  long-standing pips document I had 
mentioned?

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:49 PM
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Cc: Brett Saylor
Subject: [IRCA] Time Pips Catalog


In response to an earlier question, I had mentioned that in the course of 
reviewing our SDR files

from October's LBI DXpedition, Brett Saylor and I had started to compile a 
listing of time pips. We have decided to share what we have to this point 
covering Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America.

The information includes loggings from the PEI 2018 and QH12 DXpeditions as 
well as some recent loggings published in IDXD and DXWW.


A downloadable pdf document is now available at  
http://www.radiodxing.com/TimePipsCatalog.pdf


We will be accepting updates, additions or corrections along the way for future 
revisions. Those may be sent to me at .


Thanks-


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id
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Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

[Chuck Hutton]

I made some updates to my pips document, but we're back to the same old 
problems.

I cant send it as an attachment, and there's no place to store it.

Perhaps in 10 or 20 years we can put the 90's style email reflector in the 
trash can and move to groups.io like everyone else.

Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 5:56 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

We also have a number of recordings on the LBI site. I hadn't seen the movie, 
but I'm sure it is a good resource.


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id


From: IRCA  on behalf of Chuck Hutton 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:52:37 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

Russ -

For TA stuff. I have a lot of recordings from Newfoundland. If you listened to 
the Newfoundland movie I posted a few months back, youd agree that it's a great 
library for pips analysis.

For TP / DU stations, I have rather meticulous notes for Australia, New 
Zealand, Japan, S Korea, N Korea, China and some Vietnam. I should be covered 
for those.

Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 5:34 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

We have Europe to a point. Some of the material is inspecific and/or unclear 
and would take some time listening to overseas SDR's to confirm, however we 
have one from LBI which we've got recorded but which we haven't been able to 
find anywhere.


Any TP/DU info we have was pulled from DXM or DXN over the past year or two. 
Meanwhile I could send you what we have for TP/DU and perhaps you could 
validate/correct/add to ?


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id


From: IRCA  on behalf of Chuck Hutton 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:24:43 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

I have a list of pipi (frequency, number, duration) although it needs updating 
and is slanted to TP/DU stations. I could add Europe etc but that might take a 
little while.



From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 5:14 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Cc: Brett Saylor
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

Actually, this is something Brett Saylor and I have been working on as we've 
gone through our files from the October LBI DXpedition. We have a partial 
listing put together but there are so many reports made to IDXD and DXWW where 
there's no details as to the number, duration or pitch of the pips shown in the 
reports.


I suppose we could compile the easy/certain ones into a preliminary list for 
sooner release and work through the rest.


In the meantime though I would like to ask that reporters start including that 
greater level of detail in their reports going forward.


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:45 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; Mark Connelly
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

In the age of remote SDRs etc., perhaps this is
irrelevant, but has anyone made a list of what
pips are used by different
Europeans?   Sometimes, pips are all that make it
through, and like knowing the frequency offset,
can hint at what tools (parallel webstream etc.)
might be useful when the signal is a little better next time.

best wishes,

Nick

At 18:35 2019-01-05, Russ Edmunds wrote:
>Re the 630 unknown item, the eleven pips
>suggests that one is R. Timisoara Romania with 6
>short pips. At a different hour, the remainder
>could be from Antena Satelor which is scheduled
>off at the time. Antena 1 Portugal should have 4
>long and 1 short. BBC would be 5 short, 1 long.
>
>
>You might want to let Roy know that the number ,
>length and pitch of the pips can help
>distinguish between multiple sets of pips. Most
>often however it ends up being multiple
>transmitters from Spain on one frequency - not the case on 630.
>
>
>It is also possible, depending on antenna
>direction that pips could be heard from
>Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela.
>
>
>Russ Edmunds
>
>WB2BJH
>
>Blue Bell, PA
>
>Grid FN20id
>
>
>
>From: 'Mark Connelly' via NRC-AM 
>Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:01 PM
>To: nrc...@googlegroups.com; a...@y

Re: [IRCA] OT - app for latitude / longitude readout on phones

[Chuck Hutton]

Ha!

Many ground rods were lost with and without the help of GPS.
Segments of wire  were also sent to nirvana.
Fortunately no people have been reported as lost, but we are not done yet.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Volodya S 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] OT - app for latitude / longitude readout on phones

Reminds me of the early days of cellular telephone and hand held GPS
devices.  Remember, Chuck, how we put a bunch of long grounds in the sand
dunes at the Grayland Motelnever to be found again, despite carefully
recording the GPS coordinates!73,   Walt

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 6:56 AM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Mark -
>
> I presume you want GPS to allow calculation of  distances since bearing is
> easily done with compass apps.
> You didn't mention exactly what you are trying to do but I thought I would
> mention that GPS accuracy at its best is not good enough for antenna
> construction and installation.
> And on -not-the-best days, you can't expect an absolute accuracy of
> anything better than maybe 20 feet. Half that on good days.
> If you're trying to measure wire length, I'm afraid a Harbor Freight 100
> or 300 foot tape measure is still the way to go.
>
> Chuck
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Mark Connelly via
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Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

[Chuck Hutton]

Mark said:

  Most stations use 1 kHz as the pips tone.  Portugal's are somewhat 
lower.

I beg to differ. Sim's pips are 2940 Hz.

Chuck

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Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

[Chuck Hutton]

Russ -

For TA stuff. I have a lot of recordings from Newfoundland. If you listened to 
the Newfoundland movie I posted a few months back, youd agree that it's a great 
library for pips analysis.

For TP / DU stations, I have rather meticulous notes for Australia, New 
Zealand, Japan, S Korea, N Korea, China and some Vietnam. I should be covered 
for those.

Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 5:34 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

We have Europe to a point. Some of the material is inspecific and/or unclear 
and would take some time listening to overseas SDR's to confirm, however we 
have one from LBI which we've got recorded but which we haven't been able to 
find anywhere.


Any TP/DU info we have was pulled from DXM or DXN over the past year or two. 
Meanwhile I could send you what we have for TP/DU and perhaps you could 
validate/correct/add to ?


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id


From: IRCA  on behalf of Chuck Hutton 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:24:43 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

I have a list of pipi (frequency, number, duration) although it needs updating 
and is slanted to TP/DU stations. I could add Europe etc but that might take a 
little while.



From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 5:14 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Cc: Brett Saylor
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

Actually, this is something Brett Saylor and I have been working on as we've 
gone through our files from the October LBI DXpedition. We have a partial 
listing put together but there are so many reports made to IDXD and DXWW where 
there's no details as to the number, duration or pitch of the pips shown in the 
reports.


I suppose we could compile the easy/certain ones into a preliminary list for 
sooner release and work through the rest.


In the meantime though I would like to ask that reporters start including that 
greater level of detail in their reports going forward.


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:45 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; Mark Connelly
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

In the age of remote SDRs etc., perhaps this is
irrelevant, but has anyone made a list of what
pips are used by different
Europeans?   Sometimes, pips are all that make it
through, and like knowing the frequency offset,
can hint at what tools (parallel webstream etc.)
might be useful when the signal is a little better next time.

best wishes,

Nick

At 18:35 2019-01-05, Russ Edmunds wrote:
>Re the 630 unknown item, the eleven pips
>suggests that one is R. Timisoara Romania with 6
>short pips. At a different hour, the remainder
>could be from Antena Satelor which is scheduled
>off at the time. Antena 1 Portugal should have 4
>long and 1 short. BBC would be 5 short, 1 long.
>
>
>You might want to let Roy know that the number ,
>length and pitch of the pips can help
>distinguish between multiple sets of pips. Most
>often however it ends up being multiple
>transmitters from Spain on one frequency - not the case on 630.
>
>
>It is also possible, depending on antenna
>direction that pips could be heard from
>Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela.
>
>
>Russ Edmunds
>
>WB2BJH
>
>Blue Bell, PA
>
>Grid FN20id
>
>
>
>From: 'Mark Connelly' via NRC-AM 
>Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:01 PM
>To: nrc...@googlegroups.com; a...@yahoogroups.com; irca@hard-core-dx.com
>Subject: [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18
>
>
>Roy Barstow's report from Barnstable, MA.
>
>
>
>
>From: roybarstow 
>Date: Thursday, January 3, 2019
>Subject: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18
>To: CapeDX 
>
>
>
>12ft.stick w/amp-FDM-S2-K2-3- Sunset 4:20 PM-5 PM temp. 42-wind 12
>
>
>
>  2030  90 Deg.
>
>
>765  Mid-East music - weak.
>
>
>810  Unknown - Slow ballad Mexican song in Spanish. Maybe WMGC TN.
>
>
>837  Iran - Music, talk and maybe an anthem. TNX. to, Bill Whitacre and others
>
>  from RealDX.
>
>
>981  Algeria - Talk - Fair w/slop.
>
>
>1422  Algeria - Presume w/ vocal and drums.
>
>
>1512  ARS. - Quran at S 6
>
>
>1521  ARS. - SBC - Singing at S 9.
>
>
>1548

Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

[Chuck Hutton]

I have a list of pipi (frequency, number, duration) although it needs updating 
and is slanted to TP/DU stations. I could add Europe etc but that might take a 
little while.



From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 5:14 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Cc: Brett Saylor
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

Actually, this is something Brett Saylor and I have been working on as we've 
gone through our files from the October LBI DXpedition. We have a partial 
listing put together but there are so many reports made to IDXD and DXWW where 
there's no details as to the number, duration or pitch of the pips shown in the 
reports.


I suppose we could compile the easy/certain ones into a preliminary list for 
sooner release and work through the rest.


In the meantime though I would like to ask that reporters start including that 
greater level of detail in their reports going forward.


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:45 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; Mark Connelly
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

In the age of remote SDRs etc., perhaps this is
irrelevant, but has anyone made a list of what
pips are used by different
Europeans?   Sometimes, pips are all that make it
through, and like knowing the frequency offset,
can hint at what tools (parallel webstream etc.)
might be useful when the signal is a little better next time.

best wishes,

Nick

At 18:35 2019-01-05, Russ Edmunds wrote:
>Re the 630 unknown item, the eleven pips
>suggests that one is R. Timisoara Romania with 6
>short pips. At a different hour, the remainder
>could be from Antena Satelor which is scheduled
>off at the time. Antena 1 Portugal should have 4
>long and 1 short. BBC would be 5 short, 1 long.
>
>
>You might want to let Roy know that the number ,
>length and pitch of the pips can help
>distinguish between multiple sets of pips. Most
>often however it ends up being multiple
>transmitters from Spain on one frequency - not the case on 630.
>
>
>It is also possible, depending on antenna
>direction that pips could be heard from
>Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela.
>
>
>Russ Edmunds
>
>WB2BJH
>
>Blue Bell, PA
>
>Grid FN20id
>
>
>
>From: 'Mark Connelly' via NRC-AM 
>Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:01 PM
>To: nrc...@googlegroups.com; a...@yahoogroups.com; irca@hard-core-dx.com
>Subject: [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18
>
>
>Roy Barstow's report from Barnstable, MA.
>
>
>
>
>From: roybarstow 
>Date: Thursday, January 3, 2019
>Subject: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18
>To: CapeDX 
>
>
>
>12ft.stick w/amp-FDM-S2-K2-3- Sunset 4:20 PM-5 PM temp. 42-wind 12
>
>
>
>  2030  90 Deg.
>
>
>765  Mid-East music - weak.
>
>
>810  Unknown - Slow ballad Mexican song in Spanish. Maybe WMGC TN.
>
>
>837  Iran - Music, talk and maybe an anthem. TNX. to, Bill Whitacre and others
>
>  from RealDX.
>
>
>981  Algeria - Talk - Fair w/slop.
>
>
>1422  Algeria - Presume w/ vocal and drums.
>
>
>1512  ARS. - Quran at S 6
>
>
>1521  ARS. - SBC - Singing at S 9.
>
>
>1548  Kwt. or MDA. weak w/splatter.
>
>
>1575  Iran and U.A.E.
>
>
>
>  2045  90
>
>
>774  Egypt mixing with Spain.
>
>
>864  Egypt - Koran at S 6-7
>
>
>936  Good mix w/Spain w/CLA. music and others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   2100  90
>
>
>Lots of pips this file
>
>
>666  Portugal - To fair peak w/pips and back into a game // 720
>
>
>702  Algeria - Man talking w/drum in background. Pips woman w/talk. Fair.
>
>
>711  Spain - Cope - Pips, theme music, etc. // 837 mixing w/others. new.
>
>
>720  Portugal - w/game and pips mixing w/Romania or Spain and others.
>
>
>729  Spain - Spanish song into pips then news. // 684 another station under
>
> them unknown.
>
>
>756  Romania - Music into pips into news. Another unknown station w/pips.
>
>
>783  Syria - Mixing with Spain.
>
>
>810  Mix - BBC, MKD, and maybe Spain in the logjam.
>
>
>819  Egypt - W/talk. Fair with slop.
>
>
>873  Unknown with Quran.
>
>
>945  Iran - Talk into Mid-East music. Fair.
>
>
>954  CZE. and Spain mixing.
>
>
>990  Spain - Presume with pips in the mix.
>
>
>1080  Spain and WTIC.
>
>
>1125  Spain on top of Belgium.
>
>
>1179  Spain and Romania.
>
>
>1377  Armenia - Good at s/off, 2102.
>
>
>1400  CBG on top.
>
>
>1413  MDA. - Anthem - Thanks to Jc Fontario and Sylvain Naud of RealDX.
>
>
>
>2115 90
>
>
>909  Romania - R. Romania - Music in fair under UK.
>
>
>1071  Egypt - With music and last part of file maybe Iran.
>
>
>1098  Spain and later ARS.
>
>
>1179  Romania with music.
>
>
>1323  UK. - Smooth R. Song weak. // 1557
>

Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

[Chuck Hutton]

Pete - Venezuela returned to an hour offset sometime in 2018.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Pete Taylor 

Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 9:19 PM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

Probably not Venezuela since I believe they have a 30 minute offset TOH.

Pete Taylor
Tacoma, WA
12225w 4719n
HQ180 & ICF2010
Kiwa aircore & Palomar loops
DX398, SRF-59 & M37V
Eton E100 + Tecsun PL-300/380






> On Jan 5, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Russ Edmunds  wrote:
>
> Re the 630 unknown item, the eleven pips suggests that one is R. Timisoara 
> Romania with 6 short pips. At a different hour, the remainder could be from 
> Antena Satelor which is scheduled off at the time. Antena 1 Portugal should 
> have 4 long and 1 short. BBC would be 5 short, 1 long.
>
>
> You might want to let Roy know that the number , length and pitch of the pips 
> can help distinguish between multiple sets of pips. Most often however it 
> ends up being multiple transmitters from Spain on one frequency - not the 
> case on 630.
>
>
> It is also possible, depending on antenna direction that pips could be heard 
> from Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela.
>
>
> Russ Edmunds
>
> WB2BJH
>
> Blue Bell, PA
>
> Grid FN20id
>
>
> 
> From: 'Mark Connelly' via NRC-AM 
> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:01 PM
> To: nrc...@googlegroups.com; a...@yahoogroups.com; irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18
>
>
> Roy Barstow's report from Barnstable, MA.
>
>
> 
>
> From: roybarstow 
> Date: Thursday, January 3, 2019
> Subject: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18
> To: CapeDX 
>
>
>
> 12ft.stick w/amp-FDM-S2-K2-3- Sunset 4:20 PM-5 PM temp. 42-wind 12
>
>
>
> 2030  90 Deg.
>
>
> 765  Mid-East music - weak.
>
>
> 810  Unknown - Slow ballad Mexican song in Spanish. Maybe WMGC TN.
>
>
> 837  Iran - Music, talk and maybe an anthem. TNX. to, Bill Whitacre and others
>
> from RealDX.
>
>
> 981  Algeria - Talk - Fair w/slop.
>
>
> 1422  Algeria - Presume w/ vocal and drums.
>
>
> 1512  ARS. - Quran at S 6
>
>
> 1521  ARS. - SBC - Singing at S 9.
>
>
> 1548  Kwt. or MDA. weak w/splatter.
>
>
> 1575  Iran and U.A.E.
>
>
>
> 2045  90
>
>
> 774  Egypt mixing with Spain.
>
>
> 864  Egypt - Koran at S 6-7
>
>
> 936  Good mix w/Spain w/CLA. music and others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  2100  90
>
>
>   Lots of pips this file
>
>
> 666  Portugal - To fair peak w/pips and back into a game // 720
>
>
> 702  Algeria - Man talking w/drum in background. Pips woman w/talk. Fair.
>
>
> 711  Spain - Cope - Pips, theme music, etc. // 837 mixing w/others. new.
>
>
> 720  Portugal - w/game and pips mixing w/Romania or Spain and others.
>
>
> 729  Spain - Spanish song into pips then news. // 684 another station under
>
>them unknown.
>
>
> 756  Romania - Music into pips into news. Another unknown station w/pips.
>
>
> 783  Syria - Mixing with Spain.
>
>
> 810  Mix - BBC, MKD, and maybe Spain in the logjam.
>
>
> 819  Egypt - W/talk. Fair with slop.
>
>
> 873  Unknown with Quran.
>
>
> 945  Iran - Talk into Mid-East music. Fair.
>
>
> 954  CZE. and Spain mixing.
>
>
> 990  Spain - Presume with pips in the mix.
>
>
> 1080  Spain and WTIC.
>
>
> 1125  Spain on top of Belgium.
>
>
> 1179  Spain and Romania.
>
>
> 1377  Armenia - Good at s/off, 2102.
>
>
> 1400  CBG on top.
>
>
> 1413  MDA. - Anthem - Thanks to Jc Fontario and Sylvain Naud of RealDX.
>
>
>
>   2115 90
>
>
> 909  Romania - R. Romania - Music in fair under UK.
>
>
> 1071  Egypt - With music and last part of file maybe Iran.
>
>
> 1098  Spain and later ARS.
>
>
> 1179  Romania with music.
>
>
> 1323  UK. - Smooth R. Song weak. // 1557
>
>
> 1332  Iran on top w/talk. Under them Smooth Radio // 1557.
>
>
> 1512  ARS - Quran and maybe Greece or Iran along with the ride.
>
>
> 1665  Unknown - Talk and presume a pirate.
>
>
>
> 2130  110
>
>
> 945  UK - Smooth R. in fair w/heavy beat music. // 1557. Mixing with
>
>Romania // 1332 and 1 more with music.
>
>
> 1026  Iran - Fair w/slop.
>
>
>
> 2145  110
>
>
> 567  ARS - Quran at S 6-7 over Spain.
>
>
> 711  MRC. - On top w/talk and under Romania with music. // 756
>
>
> 963  TUN. - Presume with music and slop.
>
>
> 1062  Italy - W/talk and mixing w/Iran with light piano music. // 945.
>
>
> 1625  Music
>
>
>
> 2200  110
>
>
> 630 Unknown - At least 11 pips under WPRO. Have heard this before.
>
>
> 900  Spain - With 6 pips under CHML.
>
>
> 1080 Spain again, SER - with a splash sound into news w/ WTIC.
>
>
> 1089  Algeria - Pips under strong UK. Up for bids. Ha Ha.
>
>
> 1116  Italy - Talk, LSB, in fair. // 1062. And mixing w/Spain and another
>
>with Mid-East music at end of file.
>
>
> 1170  U.A.E. - Mid-East music and man w/ ID. at 2201.
>
>

Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

[Chuck Hutton]

I agree the 11 pips have to be a mixture of stations. I've never heard 11 
anywhere from anyone.

I wont speculate any further as there is no information to base it on.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 10:35 AM
To: a...@yahoogroups.com; irca@hard-core-dx.com; Mark Connelly
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

Re the 630 unknown item, the eleven pips suggests that one is R. Timisoara 
Romania with 6 short pips. At a different hour, the remainder could be from 
Antena Satelor which is scheduled off at the time. Antena 1 Portugal should 
have 4 long and 1 short. BBC would be 5 short, 1 long.


You might want to let Roy know that the number , length and pitch of the pips 
can help distinguish between multiple sets of pips. Most often however it ends 
up being multiple transmitters from Spain on one frequency - not the case on 
630.


It is also possible, depending on antenna direction that pips could be heard 
from Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela.


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

Blue Bell, PA

Grid FN20id



From: 'Mark Connelly' via NRC-AM 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:01 PM
To: nrc...@googlegroups.com; a...@yahoogroups.com; irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: [nrc-am] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18


Roy Barstow's report from Barnstable, MA.




From: roybarstow 
Date: Thursday, January 3, 2019
Subject: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18
To: CapeDX 



12ft.stick w/amp-FDM-S2-K2-3- Sunset 4:20 PM-5 PM temp. 42-wind 12



 2030  90 Deg.


765  Mid-East music - weak.


810  Unknown - Slow ballad Mexican song in Spanish. Maybe WMGC TN.


837  Iran - Music, talk and maybe an anthem. TNX. to, Bill Whitacre and others

 from RealDX.


981  Algeria - Talk - Fair w/slop.


1422  Algeria - Presume w/ vocal and drums.


1512  ARS. - Quran at S 6


1521  ARS. - SBC - Singing at S 9.


1548  Kwt. or MDA. weak w/splatter.


1575  Iran and U.A.E.



 2045  90


774  Egypt mixing with Spain.


864  Egypt - Koran at S 6-7


936  Good mix w/Spain w/CLA. music and others.






  2100  90


   Lots of pips this file


666  Portugal - To fair peak w/pips and back into a game // 720


702  Algeria - Man talking w/drum in background. Pips woman w/talk. Fair.


711  Spain - Cope - Pips, theme music, etc. // 837 mixing w/others. new.


720  Portugal - w/game and pips mixing w/Romania or Spain and others.


729  Spain - Spanish song into pips then news. // 684 another station under

them unknown.


756  Romania - Music into pips into news. Another unknown station w/pips.


783  Syria - Mixing with Spain.


810  Mix - BBC, MKD, and maybe Spain in the logjam.


819  Egypt - W/talk. Fair with slop.


873  Unknown with Quran.


945  Iran - Talk into Mid-East music. Fair.


954  CZE. and Spain mixing.


990  Spain - Presume with pips in the mix.


1080  Spain and WTIC.


1125  Spain on top of Belgium.


1179  Spain and Romania.


1377  Armenia - Good at s/off, 2102.


1400  CBG on top.


1413  MDA. - Anthem - Thanks to Jc Fontario and Sylvain Naud of RealDX.



   2115 90


909  Romania - R. Romania - Music in fair under UK.


1071  Egypt - With music and last part of file maybe Iran.


1098  Spain and later ARS.


1179  Romania with music.


1323  UK. - Smooth R. Song weak. // 1557


1332  Iran on top w/talk. Under them Smooth Radio // 1557.


1512  ARS - Quran and maybe Greece or Iran along with the ride.


1665  Unknown - Talk and presume a pirate.



 2130  110


945  UK - Smooth R. in fair w/heavy beat music. // 1557. Mixing with

Romania // 1332 and 1 more with music.


1026  Iran - Fair w/slop.



 2145  110


567  ARS - Quran at S 6-7 over Spain.


711  MRC. - On top w/talk and under Romania with music. // 756


963  TUN. - Presume with music and slop.


1062  Italy - W/talk and mixing w/Iran with light piano music. // 945.


1625  Music



 2200  110


630 Unknown - At least 11 pips under WPRO. Have heard this before.


900  Spain - With 6 pips under CHML.


1080 Spain again, SER - with a splash sound into news w/ WTIC.


1089  Algeria - Pips under strong UK. Up for bids. Ha Ha.


1116  Italy - Talk, LSB, in fair. // 1062. And mixing w/Spain and another

with Mid-East music at end of file.


1170  U.A.E. - Mid-East music and man w/ ID. at 2201.


1188  Iran - Music good at times , then 3 gongs etc.


1593  Romania - On top w/music into pips.- Weak with noise.


1630  KCJJ - IA. - On top with community news into ID.



 2215  90


595  MRC. - Very weak with music.


783  Syria - 6 bells then woman talking. Good.


855  Romania - Song, Money by Pink Floyd. // 1593 - Spain also.


909  Romania - // 855-1593 under UK.


936  Iran - With talk. I.D. thanks 

Re: [IRCA] TP report from Masset for January 1 2019

[Chuck Hutton]

Re 1566: there's no UK station with Hindi programming/ There is a 1 or 2 kw 
Holland station with Hindi programming and it is sometimes dominant over BBC 
Somerset.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Mark Connelly via IRCA 

Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 9:01 AM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Cc: Mark Connelly
Subject: Re: [IRCA] TP report from Masset for January 1 2019

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Re: [IRCA] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

[Chuck Hutton]

Mark -

Do you know if Roy wants comments on unids?

Often they are unid because it cant be proven who it is.

But often I see comments implying that the author didn't know the possible 
stations.

It seems patronizing to constantly tell people what the possibilities are when 
its just a case of not knowing for sure who it is.


Chuck


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Cc: Mark Connelly
Subject: [IRCA] Fwd: [CapeDX] Sandy Neck Beach DX 12-29-18

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Re: [IRCA] TP report from Masset for January 1 2019

[Chuck Hutton]

AIR 1566 used to be a powerful dominant station in Newfoundland, but in the 
last 2 years we have not heard it at all.

Something has happened to their transmitter / antenna.

And if anyone is thinking conditions are to blame, over 40 Indians have been 
heard from Newfoundland although of course not all in the last few years.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Gary DeBock 

Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:01 PM
To: Patrick Martin; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] TP report from Masset for January 1 2019


In both places I also tried to match your reception of 1566-AIR, but the 
frequency is locked down by 3NE in the Cooks, and by 1570-KUAU splatter in 
Hawaii. I think that the key for west coast DXers to track down India is to be 
aware that almost all of the big gun AIR stations switch to an English news 
format at 1530 UTC, with all of them in parallel. Because of this 927-AIR and 
954-AIR were both received in Kauai in November. 657-AIR was also received in 
Bengali in the Cooks, but only by some serious luck.

Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA)


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Re: [IRCA] Masset DXpedition 27 Dec 2018 to 2 January 2019

[Chuck Hutton]

Some really nice catches there, Walt. Taiwan with French and English must have 
been a thrill.

As for Japan 1663, see the Grayland 2009 report. I think I heard every single 
one of the stations.

Chuck

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CLIP

1663.5 JAPAN Tahara, Aichi prefecture Isewan Martis, Dec 28 1649 - Not
often (ever?) reported, but fair reception of this maritime station.
Shared with Nagoya, Osaka, and Tokyo, but matches this time.  Some noise
from 1665.  In Japanese.  Heard better notching 1665 and opening up the
bandwidth a tad. (Salmaniw,Masset, BC)
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Re: [IRCA] TP from Masset for 30 Dec 2018

[Chuck Hutton]

Well I wasn't asking about DUs - any unusual stuff would make great reading. 
You could start with the 10 best Mongolians. ha

Chuck

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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 12:59 PM
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Subject: [IRCA] TP from Masset for 30 Dec 2018

Chuck, I didn’t erect any DU wires this time. The Aussies were heard on the
NE BoG so no promises. I’v Just set up // BoGs to experiment with a phaser.
73, Walt

On Sunday, December 30, 2018, Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Yes, Western Australia is the only ABC station on 531 so you have a tough
> catch.
> Sounds like the regulars were fairly strong.  We'll hope for a later
> report with lots of unusual stuff.
>
> Chuck
> 
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> Subject: [IRCA] TP from Masset for 30 Dec 2018
>
> An interesting morning with a strong Japanese showing as well as some
> Australia. 531 was especially interesting as I heard the ABC fanfare at
> 15:00 (does that mean 6DL Western Australia?)  but at 16:00 it was 4KZ
> armchair ID at 16:03 and // to much weaker 5055.  AFN was powerful on 1575
> and it’s still there at 19:30 UTC. Even a loud Iranian jammer earlier on
> the same frequency. Too much fun for sure!  73, from Masset (as I type this
> on my iPhone on the beach Alaska is in view and an eagle is regularly
> flying back and forth where the surf breaks. Too nice!)
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Re: [IRCA] TP from Masset for 30 Dec 2018

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Yes, Western Australia is the only ABC station on 531 so you have a tough catch.
Sounds like the regulars were fairly strong.  We'll hope for a later report 
with lots of unusual stuff.

Chuck

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Subject: [IRCA] TP from Masset for 30 Dec 2018

An interesting morning with a strong Japanese showing as well as some
Australia. 531 was especially interesting as I heard the ABC fanfare at
15:00 (does that mean 6DL Western Australia?)  but at 16:00 it was 4KZ
armchair ID at 16:03 and // to much weaker 5055.  AFN was powerful on 1575
and it’s still there at 19:30 UTC. Even a loud Iranian jammer earlier on
the same frequency. Too much fun for sure!  73, from Masset (as I type this
on my iPhone on the beach Alaska is in view and an eagle is regularly
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Re: [IRCA] TP from Masset for 30 Dec 2018

[Chuck Hutton]

Mark:

The uniquitous Google Maps will do this easily.
Just drop a pin on a location and it will display the coordinates.

Chuck

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Subject: [IRCA] TP from Masset for 30 Dec 2018

An interesting morning with a strong Japanese showing as well as some
Australia. 531 was especially interesting as I heard the ABC fanfare at
15:00 (does that mean 6DL Western Australia?)  but at 16:00 it was 4KZ
armchair ID at 16:03 and // to much weaker 5055.  AFN was powerful on 1575
and it’s still there at 19:30 UTC. Even a loud Iranian jammer earlier on
the same frequency. Too much fun for sure!  73, from Masset (as I type this
on my iPhone on the beach Alaska is in view and an eagle is regularly
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Re: [IRCA] OT - app for latitude / longitude readout on phones

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Mark -

I presume you want GPS to allow calculation of  distances since bearing is 
easily done with compass apps.
You didn't mention exactly what you are trying to do but I thought I would 
mention that GPS accuracy at its best is not good enough for antenna 
construction and installation.
And on -not-the-best days, you can't expect an absolute accuracy of anything 
better than maybe 20 feet. Half that on good days.
If you're trying to measure wire length, I'm afraid a Harbor Freight 100 or 300 
foot tape measure is still the way to go.

Chuck


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Re: [IRCA] TP from Masset

[Chuck Hutton]

You may have a real shot at this. It had - at times - quite a decent signal all 
nights during an October DXpedition.

Chuck

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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 1:35 PM
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Oooo I like that 1611 catch. 73 KAZ

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 3:20 PM Volodya S  wrote:

> After quite a remarkable TA evening the TPs today were very variable with
> stations coming in loud only to fade away quickly. Highlight for me today
> was the Filipino on 1611 for several hours often at almost very good levels
> until formal sign off at 15:51 with, «Ladies and gentlemen the National
> Anthem of the Philippines”. Nice!  Also Vietnam on 675 was armchair at
> times. 594 had another Filipino in all likelihood overpowering NHK at times
>   There was a significant post LSR enhancement continuing past local noon..
> 1575 jammer was there but nothing like the ear piercing sound of yesterday
> afternoon. All in all a great start here!  73,  Walt
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Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 12-18 (Preliminary)

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Since this is a Gary - Nick comparison, let's use Gary;s location as the 
starting point and assume a DU bearing of 225 degs (halfway between NZ and the 
east coast of Australia).

That path goes through Centralia WA and then to the coast at the mouth of the 
Columbia River.

That's way south of the Olympic peninsula and its mountains.

Chuck

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Now, DUsno argument Victoria is better, as the Olympic Peninsula
has nothing like the impact here that it does on paths to Puget Sound.

best wishes,

Nick

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Re: [IRCA] further TA in Victoria 1 December

[Chuck Hutton]

702 : I have heard 702 Algeria in French at 0500 // 1089 and others several 
years ago.
819: since you say it is Arabic, the question mark next to Egypt can be 
removed. Iran is Farsi and I don't think 5 kW Sudan is more than a dream.
1026: Can't say given the description.

Chuck


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Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 11:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] further TA in Victoria 1 December

A further scan through last night's TA files yielded the following

DEC 1


702  unID, man talking, sounded French 0240UT, into music from
plucked stringed  instrument, then more talking.  Algeria is listed
as R. Coran at this time, which I suspect would not be French, but
can't think who else this might be?

783 unID man talking, some sort of Arabic singing, poor at 0111UT,
just a brief fade up.

819 Arabic vocal music, poor,  0231UT Egypt?

864 EGYPT  maxed out 0227-8UT strong and clear Koran recitation.

909 woman  in recognizably British English 0203UT and also 0230UT;
fair strength, likely Five Live

1026 unID turned up at various times between 0130-0220UT, best was at
0153UT, with echoey male vocals.  Iran?

1098 Arabic sounding vocal, poor 0226UT

1539 UAE?  Although formally logged at 0239UT, was also noted with
man talking and Indian sounding music 0203, 0214,and 0234UT, never
more than poor strength

1575  tUAE.  Fades in the buzz saw yielded male Middle Eastern
sounding vocals, poor, 0159UT and across the hour, but I think Farda
runs on Iranian time anyway.   Male talk at 0130UT however was too
poor to get any ID'able material


best wishes,

Nick




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Re: [IRCA] Perseus and Jaguar?

[Chuck Hutton]

It's not available to the public. Either Ilpo (the developer) asks you or you 
ask Ilpo for the package.

Chuck

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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 6:22 PM
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So how does one get the full Jaguar package?   By invitation only?  I seem
to recall getting such in the early days, but was too overwhelmed with all
of the other products to seriously jump into it, then.   Now that I have
tonnes of SDR files, a simpler program to scan them would be most helpful!
 73,...Walt

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:35 AM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> That is good news and I'll have to check it out.
>
> I wish it was easier to acquire the full package.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Brandon Jordan <
> swl.tn@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 5:27 PM
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Perseus and Jaguar?
>
> The latest version is 5.0, and there is a lot of stuff on the screen. There
> must be alot of changes lately.
>
> Mark-- It has very extensive documentation, there is a PDF in the install
> archive,
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 7:13 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:
>
> > Mark -
> >
> >
> > It's because Jaguar doesn't have the everything-on-one-screen thing of
> the
> > native Perseus software nor the menu+pulldowns of SDR Console.
> >
> > Rather, you have to memorize some keyboard shortcuts to call up the
> > function you want. All that appears when you run the software isa Jaguar
> > icon at the bottom of the screen.
> >
> >
> > Caveat: I haven't played with the full Jaguar software in many years. I
> > doubt it has changed in terms of user interface as the scheme is
> considered
> > to be a philosophical basis of the product. I think this was a rejection
> of
> > the old fashioned way to structure a product, but the baby was thrown out
> > with the bath water.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: IRCA  on behalf of Mark Pettifor <
> > m...@spacetubes.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:30 PM
> > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Perseus and Jaguar?
> >
> > I keep seeing the phrase "steep learning curve". Is this because there
> > is no documentation on how to use it?
> >
> > Mark Pettifor
> > Goshen, IN
> >
> > --
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Re: [IRCA] Perseus and Jaguar?

[Chuck Hutton]

That is good news and I'll have to check it out.

I wish it was easier to acquire the full package.


Chuck



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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 5:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Perseus and Jaguar?

The latest version is 5.0, and there is a lot of stuff on the screen. There
must be alot of changes lately.

Mark-- It has very extensive documentation, there is a PDF in the install
archive,

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 7:13 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Mark -
>
>
> It's because Jaguar doesn't have the everything-on-one-screen thing of the
> native Perseus software nor the menu+pulldowns of SDR Console.
>
> Rather, you have to memorize some keyboard shortcuts to call up the
> function you want. All that appears when you run the software isa Jaguar
> icon at the bottom of the screen.
>
>
> Caveat: I haven't played with the full Jaguar software in many years. I
> doubt it has changed in terms of user interface as the scheme is considered
> to be a philosophical basis of the product. I think this was a rejection of
> the old fashioned way to structure a product, but the baby was thrown out
> with the bath water.
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Mark Pettifor <
> m...@spacetubes.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:30 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Perseus and Jaguar?
>
> I keep seeing the phrase "steep learning curve". Is this because there
> is no documentation on how to use it?
>
> Mark Pettifor
> Goshen, IN
>
> --
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Re: [IRCA] Perseus and Jaguar?

[Chuck Hutton]

Mark -


It's because Jaguar doesn't have the everything-on-one-screen thing of the 
native Perseus software nor the menu+pulldowns of SDR Console.

Rather, you have to memorize some keyboard shortcuts to call up the function 
you want. All that appears when you run the software isa Jaguar icon at the 
bottom of the screen.


Caveat: I haven't played with the full Jaguar software in many years. I doubt 
it has changed in terms of user interface as the scheme is considered to be a 
philosophical basis of the product. I think this was a rejection of the old 
fashioned way to structure a product, but the baby was thrown out with the bath 
water.



Chuck



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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 3:30 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Perseus and Jaguar?

I keep seeing the phrase "steep learning curve". Is this because there
is no documentation on how to use it?

Mark Pettifor
Goshen, IN

On 2018-11-29 6:08 pm, hoddles...@gmail.com wrote:
> Go for it.
>
> It’s a fairly steep learning curve but I use it now virtually 100%.
>
> Paul
> Troon, Scotland
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 29 Nov 2018, at 22:05, Brandon Jordan  wrote:
>>
>> Many thanks for all the responses. My 'new' Perseus arrived and I have
>> been
>> playing with Jaguar Lite and enjoying it so far and will likely give
>> the
>> Pro version a try.
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Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Perseus and Jaguar?

[Chuck Hutton]

Brandon -


There's not much more to say. A lot of people thought the SDR-IQ audio was top 
notch. Since you have one, you already know what I know.

Too bad it overloads some and only records 192 kHz.


Chuck



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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 11:44 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; a...@nrcdxas.org
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Perseus and Jaguar?

Hi Chuck. Please expound on the SDr-IQ comment, I have one that has been 
relegated to 10m beacon CWSkimmer duties.

After being an early Perseus adopter, I sold mine years ago to fund a G33DDC. I 
just found a used one for less than $600 to use with Jaguar, and it arrived 
today. i am expecting a learning curve :)


> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:41 PM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:
>
> I think the overall consensus is that Jaguar audio is a bit better than 
> Perseus. Much like the old SDR-IQ had a slight advantage.
>
> But I chose not to use Jaguar as I find the one-screen-does-all approach of 
> the Perseus makes filter adjustment, volume adjustment, frequency changes, 
> fine tunig to get an off frequency signal centered etc easy.
>
> But I am still tempted to play with Jaguar every now and then.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:31 PM
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>
> For me the real question is how is audio recovery with Jaguar compared to
> default, for weak splits like the TA's DU's and very rare TP's that can
> make it into our Midwest?  73 KAZ
>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:36 PM James Niven  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brandon,
>>
>> I have the Perseus SDR receiver and I have the Jaguar software, but it is
>> a little bit of a learning curve.
>> From what I have seen with this software so far, it is great for seeing
>> the various carriers on each frequency, but like I mentioned I am still
>> learning to use the software.
>> Maybe others will chime in
>> Thanks
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> There has to be many MW DXer’s in NA still using Perseus SDR. Why do you
>> Perseus  folks not use Jaguar?
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Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Perseus and Jaguar?

[Chuck Hutton]

I think the overall consensus is that Jaguar audio is a bit better than 
Perseus. Much like the old SDR-IQ had a slight advantage.

But I chose not to use Jaguar as I find the one-screen-does-all approach of the 
Perseus makes filter adjustment, volume adjustment, frequency changes, fine 
tunig to get an off frequency signal centered etc easy.

But I am still tempted to play with Jaguar every now and then.


Chuck



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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] Perseus and Jaguar?

For me the real question is how is audio recovery with Jaguar compared to
default, for weak splits like the TA's DU's and very rare TP's that can
make it into our Midwest?  73 KAZ

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:36 PM James Niven  wrote:

> Hi Brandon,
>
> I have the Perseus SDR receiver and I have the Jaguar software, but it is
> a little bit of a learning curve.
> From what I have seen with this software so far, it is great for seeing
> the various carriers on each frequency, but like I mentioned I am still
> learning to use the software.
> Maybe others will chime in
> Thanks
>
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Re: [IRCA] Jammin' on the Beach

[Chuck Hutton]

It's not clear from your words, but there's an implication that VOA is the 
jammer target.

Or maybe I misinterpret? In any case, Farda is the real target.


Chuck



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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 1:11 PM
To: Gary DeBock; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Jammin' on the Beach

I wonder how many of VoA-Thailand's real listeners are getting fouled
up by that jammer, hi.

Certainly VoA can be overpowered here, at least this season.

best wishes,

Nick



At 20:42 2018-11-27, Gary DeBock wrote:
>An S9 signal from the 1575-Iranian Jammer (8,000 miles away)
>temporarily overwhelms VOA-Thailand's Bengali at 1620 UTC on
>November 8th during the last morning session on the Poipu, Kauai
>beach  https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/pn1iwgnxq3vzgf5tj9b2ek0pb6p14qg3
>
>
>  Middle East reception was the big surprise of the Kauai Ultralight
> DXpedition, with 702-BBC in Oman also reaching a near S9 level on
> November 6th, and Mauno Ritola doing an awesome language
> investigation to narrow down Egyptian Arabic from 918-Egypt. We
> can't wait to go back to the forward Pacific DXing Paradise!
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] TA's in Victoria

[Chuck Hutton]

Nick -


COPE outlets are always parallel except for a handful of local breaks each day. 
I have aschedule for the local breaks if needed.


Chuck



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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 8:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] TA's in Victoria

It's certainly sounds the same Walt, with the addition that the talk
sounds Spanish.  My recording was far too rugged to determine that.

Was it parallel with other COPE channels at the time?   That would be
a firm ID for me, and a major catch on a not particularly exciting evening.

73

Nick





At 07:18 2018-11-21, Volodya S wrote:
>Nick, check this one from Listening Waters, PEI.  Same time, on November
>8th.  Sure sounds the same, and presumably Spain:
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/l/scl/AABkDvvhaINij6Mqa394QAAzJnPTD2vmOxA
>
>73, Walt Salmaniw, Victoria, BC
>
>On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 6:43 AM Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:
>
> > As Colin pointed out, there were TA signs earlier this evening in
> > Victoria, and both of us were out meeting Neil Carleton, a visiting
> > DXer from Ontario.   However, I left a hard working SDR to do my DXing for
> > me.
> >
> > Things seemed to peak just about 0200UT which allowed audio on a
> > couple of channels.   Although the big British transmitters on 882
> > 909 1089 and 1215 were reasonably potent, they just didn't have
> > enough zip to deliver more than hints of audio.
> >
> > The best was 855 with woman in definite Spanish talk at 0149UT, with
> > audio traces, perhaps also  Spanish on 999 and 1107 in the same time
> > period.  In fact, 999 struggled to deliver a little audio across
> > 0200UT, and perhaps the knowledgeable TA DXer might be able to say
> > what the trumpet music and (I think) one low plus one high pip on the
> > hour might be:
> >
> > http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/999_20181121_0200.wav
> >
> > best wishes,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [IRCA] BOG question

[Chuck Hutton]

Nick -


Hoping I remember all the details correctly as I don't have time right now to 
re-read things


Luis has put this data on the web before and claimed "resonance". Someone then 
educated him that current peaks and resonance are not synonyms,


My recollection is that the subject of current peaks was well covered and 
analyzed by Beverage in his 1923 AIEE paper.


I see no reference to Beverage's work so assume Luis did not explore that area. 
I saw no numbers to serve as a basis for "resonance" - some L and C values 
would be helpful.


But we stray from the original question : how much loss is there in a 
non-terminated BOG / Beverage? Some have compared "over the shoulder" versus 
normal wires, including John Bryant. Assuming I recall correctly, he found that 
over the shoulder had some feasibility as the loss was some 5 to 10 dB.


Chuck



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Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:33 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question

Thanks Chuck; I knew I could bring you out of the woodwork.

There's been a fair bit of hand-waving on the topband list about the
BOG over the years, partly because anecdotally, either they "don't
work", or that they have very good F/B.  K2AV has done a lot of
measurements, and seems to conclude that a proper BOG (not a wire
near dry ground) is actually a resonant
antenna,   http://www.iv3prk.it/bog-modeling.htm puts forth the same
IV3PRK Pierluigi "Luis" Mansutti (ex 
HC1PF)<http://www.iv3prk.it/bog-modeling.htm>
www.iv3prk.it
Quite simple to select another of the several options in the “Custom” sheet of 
AutoEZ to get the following graph, which indicates that’s much better to go 
towards a shorter length.. So moved the sweep a bit down and this is the F/B of 
a BOG 63 meters long, 3 cm. high, with a 250 ohms load and two sets of 
radials.An impressive F/B of 45 dB is peaking at a radial length of 20 meters.



idea.  This is for the limited frequency range of 160m; the entire MW
band might prove interesting depending on length, ground conductivity etc.

I'd assume that a BOG at Grayland especially in the summer would act
more like a Beverage.   Did you ever compare a "BOG" with a raised wire there?

Nick


At 00:18 2018-11-07, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>I don't see the self-terminating thing.
>
>
>It seems to me (unscientifically) that the losses are maybe 5 to 7
>dB. That's a far cry from the 30 or more dB loss in a properly
>terminated system.
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick
>Hall-Patch 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:54 PM
>To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; h
>Walter Salmaniw
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question
>
>Have you had success terminating a BOG Russ?   (supposedly it is ~200
>ohms, rather than the raised Beverage's ~450 ohms).
>
>I think some have found that it is self terminating, to a degree, as
>there is quite a bit of loss on reflected signals.
>
>best wishes,
>
>Nick
>
>
>At 20:07 2018-11-06, Russ Edmunds wrote:
> >It isn't a dumb question because the answer is yes and no. If you
> >terminate a BOG at one end, that should more focus the reception
> >pattern in favor of the terminated end. If you're looking for
> >stations from the N, then terminate at the N end. In the event that
> >the desired result is an antenna which receives both N and S but
> >nulls E and W, then you lay it out N-S and do not terminate it.
> >
> >
> >
> >Russ Edmunds
> >
> >WB2BJH
> >
> >Blue Bell, PA
> >
> >Grid FN20id
> >
> >
> >From: IRCA  on behalf of R. Colin
> >Newell 
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:53:57 PM
> >To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America;
> Walter Salmaniw
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question
> >
> >Dumb question --- Do BOG's get a termination?
> >
> >On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:52 AM Volodya S  wrote:
> >
> > > Stephen, my BOGs in Masset are about 750' long and I'm very
> pleased.  Good
> > > for all Asia as well as Australia/New Zealand.73, Walt
> > >
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Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Chuck Hutton]

A bit of homework shows it is now for sale via Elad;s web site. Good to see it 
surface.


I've seen no reviews yet. Get cracking, Bill N.


Chuck



From: Chuck Hutton 
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:31 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW


And how did he get an S3? The world has been waiting a year as introduction was 
postponed, and Elad recently said it would be many months before availability.


Chuck



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To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

How does the S3 do on MW & HF Walt?

---

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
>
> Agree, Bill.   A very nice problem to have.  We haven't had the greatest
> conditions on the east coast.  Nothing overnight here, as far as I know.
> This morning, the weather was perfect, so 4 of us went for a long walk
> along the beach, then bushwacked our way home, but as this place is
> surrounded by salty lagoons, we had to back track to make it back to the
> house.  It's just coming up to our TA time, so here's hoping something
> decent today.  Looks like conditions again will take a turn for the worse
> in the next 2 days.  You win some, you lose some.  Bill Nollman showed me
> the joys of meteor FM scatter last night.  His new Elad FDM S-3 can record
> the entire FM band.  Sure fun watching the blips of meteor scatter.  Just
> maybe, I might have to get into FM DXing!73,Walt
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:18 PM Guy Atkins  wrote:
>
>> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
>> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
>>
>> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
>> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
>> 4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
>> SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.
>>
>> Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
>> down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
>> local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
>> weak but clear audio.
>>
>> So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
>> to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
>> dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!
>>
>> 73,
>> Guy Atkins
>> Puyallup, WA
>> DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
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Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

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And how did he get an S3? The world has been waiting a year as introduction was 
postponed, and Elad recently said it would be many months before availability.


Chuck



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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

How does the S3 do on MW & HF Walt?

---

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>
> Agree, Bill.   A very nice problem to have.  We haven't had the greatest
> conditions on the east coast.  Nothing overnight here, as far as I know.
> This morning, the weather was perfect, so 4 of us went for a long walk
> along the beach, then bushwacked our way home, but as this place is
> surrounded by salty lagoons, we had to back track to make it back to the
> house.  It's just coming up to our TA time, so here's hoping something
> decent today.  Looks like conditions again will take a turn for the worse
> in the next 2 days.  You win some, you lose some.  Bill Nollman showed me
> the joys of meteor FM scatter last night.  His new Elad FDM S-3 can record
> the entire FM band.  Sure fun watching the blips of meteor scatter.  Just
> maybe, I might have to get into FM DXing!73,Walt
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:18 PM Guy Atkins  wrote:
>
>> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
>> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
>>
>> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
>> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
>> 4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
>> SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.
>>
>> Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
>> down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
>> local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
>> weak but clear audio.
>>
>> So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
>> to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
>> dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!
>>
>> 73,
>> Guy Atkins
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Re: [IRCA] BOG question

[Chuck Hutton]

I don't see the self-terminating thing.


It seems to me (unscientifically) that the losses are maybe 5 to 7 dB. That's a 
far cry from the 30 or more dB loss in a properly terminated system.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

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To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; h Walter Salmaniw
Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question

Have you had success terminating a BOG Russ?   (supposedly it is ~200
ohms, rather than the raised Beverage's ~450 ohms).

I think some have found that it is self terminating, to a degree, as
there is quite a bit of loss on reflected signals.

best wishes,

Nick


At 20:07 2018-11-06, Russ Edmunds wrote:
>It isn't a dumb question because the answer is yes and no. If you
>terminate a BOG at one end, that should more focus the reception
>pattern in favor of the terminated end. If you're looking for
>stations from the N, then terminate at the N end. In the event that
>the desired result is an antenna which receives both N and S but
>nulls E and W, then you lay it out N-S and do not terminate it.
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question
>
>Dumb question --- Do BOG's get a termination?
>
>On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:52 AM Volodya S  wrote:
>
> > Stephen, my BOGs in Masset are about 750' long and I'm very pleased.  Good
> > for all Asia as well as Australia/New Zealand.73, Walt
> >
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Re: [IRCA] 729 Southeast Asian Language at 1541 UTC

[Chuck Hutton]

Gary -


We're well aware of the cause of the ULR audio rolloff.

I was trying to point out something that can be done post facto to improve your 
audio.

If you are saying you set a highpass filter to 321 Hertz, my vote is that  321 
Hz is a very extreme value. Half that at most seems normal.

And as for ULR audio not matching perseus, of course it doesn't. But the goal 
here is to make the ULR audio better, not to compare it with perseus.


Chuck




From: Gary DeBock 
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:11 PM
To: Chuck Hutton; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] 729 Southeast Asian Language at 1541 UTC

Chuck,

Thanks for your assessment on the 729 UnID TP recording from this morning.

<<< There's English in your recording. At :04 she says "this approach in the 
next summer". At :09, I think she says Myanmar.
Some Myanmar stations have carried English in this time period. >>>

Wow, her accent is so heavy that I never could have pulled out that English-- 
but now that you mention it, the "Myanmar" at 9 seconds stands out pretty 
clearly (even without any wishful thinking).

<<< The audio was difficult to understand. After correcting for the terrible 
rolloff above 1000 Hz and also removing everything below 150 Hertz, it was 
better. I can't attach the file due to list limits on attachments. >>>

The clipped-off audio above 1000 Hz is a congenital issue of the Ultralight 
radios in their 1 kHz DSP filtering selection, which is usually the only 
effective option when chasing split-frequency DX like this. In most of the 
recent recordings I've attempted to compensate somewhat by using Audacity's 321 
Hz High Pass filter, but the resulting audio will still have rough edges in 
comparison to that of the Perseus-SDR and other SDR's.

In any case, thanks again for your assessment.

Gary (in Poipu, Hawaii)

On November 4, 2018 at 12:18 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:


Gary:


There's English in your recording. At :04 she says "this approach in the next 
summer". At :09, I think she says Myanmar.

Some Myanmar stations have carried English in this time period.


The audio was difficult to understand. After correcting for the terrible 
rolloff above 1000 Hz and also removing everything below 150 Hertz, it was 
better. I can't attach the file due to list limits on attachments.


Chuck




From: IRCA  on behalf of Gary DeBock 

Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 11:30 AM
To: America, Mailing
Subject: [IRCA] 729 Southeast Asian Language at 1541 UTC

Despite unfavorable solar predictions the morning session in Poipu, Hawaii was 
actually quite good today. This female speaker in an apparent Southeast Asian 
language was received at 1541 this morning during a fade in JOCK, but the 
Myanmar parallels on 576 and 594 are totally wiped out by Hawaiian local 
splatter  https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/8223u80ejoorrd2raxoebdiogn0kbfra

I know that Bill W., Chuck and Bruce have all received this station in 
Grayland, so it seems like I'm the last to track it down :-)


Gary DeBock (DXing in Poipu, Kauai, Hawaii)

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Re: [IRCA] 729 Southeast Asian Language at 1541 UTC

[Chuck Hutton]

To me also. I wonder if Gary checked for a parallel on 549 and 783?

If I truly heard some English, is VoV2 known to carry any English? I;ve not 
noticed  any English.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Mauno Ritola 

Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 12:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] 729 Southeast Asian Language at 1541 UTC

To my ears it sounds more Vietnamese than Burmese. (Re Myanmar: 729 kHz
should carry different programming than 576 and 594 kHz).

Best regards,

Mauno


Gary DeBock kirjoitti 4.11.2018 klo 21:30:
> Despite unfavorable solar predictions the morning session in Poipu, Hawaii 
> was actually quite good today. This female speaker in an apparent Southeast 
> Asian language was received at 1541 this morning during a fade in JOCK, but 
> the Myanmar parallels on 576 and 594 are totally wiped out by Hawaiian local 
> splatter  https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/8223u80ejoorrd2raxoebdiogn0kbfra
>
> I know that Bill W., Chuck and Bruce have all received this station in 
> Grayland, so it seems like I'm the last to track it down :-)
>
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Re: [IRCA] 729 Southeast Asian Language at 1541 UTC

[Chuck Hutton]

Gary:


There's English in your recording. At :04 she says "this approach in the next 
summer". At :09, I think she says Myanmar.

Some Myanmar stations have carried English in this time period.


The audio was difficult to understand. After correcting for the terrible 
rolloff above 1000 Hz and also removing everything below 150 Hertz, it was 
better. I can't attach the file due to list limits on attachments.


Chuck




From: IRCA  on behalf of Gary DeBock 

Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 11:30 AM
To: America, Mailing
Subject: [IRCA] 729 Southeast Asian Language at 1541 UTC

Despite unfavorable solar predictions the morning session in Poipu, Hawaii was 
actually quite good today. This female speaker in an apparent Southeast Asian 
language was received at 1541 this morning during a fade in JOCK, but the 
Myanmar parallels on 576 and 594 are totally wiped out by Hawaiian local 
splatter  https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/8223u80ejoorrd2raxoebdiogn0kbfra

I know that Bill W., Chuck and Bruce have all received this station in 
Grayland, so it seems like I'm the last to track it down :-)


Gary DeBock (DXing in Poipu, Kauai, Hawaii)

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Re: [IRCA] 0140 UTC T's WC

[Chuck Hutton]

Nick -


Colin wrote "middle eastern music" not "middle eastern" in hisoriginal post..


Describing Koranic recitations as "middle eastern music"  is a very poor term 
for Koranic recitation.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:03 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] 0140 UTC T's WC

I hadn't realized that Koranic recitations wouldn't sound Middle
Eastern to some, Chuck, given their origin, and the relative
strictness concerning their modification.

Nick





At 03:30 2018-11-04, Chuck Hutton wrote:


>I'd have a hard time thinking of "Middle Easter music " and "wall to
>wall Koran" as the same thing.
>
>As there was no time given for the "middle eastern music", it's hard
>to rule Iran in or out.
>
>
>Chuck
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>Subject: Re: [IRCA] 0140 UTC T's WC
>
>
>
>Likely Egypt with wall to wall Koran?
>
>Other than hearing them, mostly  audio traces on 909 1215 and
>1386.   Seems to be settling down somewhat post-0300UT.
>
>
>
>
>At 01:48 2018-11-04, R. Colin Newell wrote:
>
> >Middle eastern kinda music on 864khz...
> >
> >Carriers that we've become accustomed to; 1215, 1386, 1575, 1089 etc...
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Re: [IRCA] 0140 UTC T's WC

[Chuck Hutton]

I'd have a hard time thinking of "Middle Easter music " and "wall to wall 
Koran" as the same thing.

As there was no time given for the "middle eastern music", it's hard to rule 
Iran in or out.


Chuck



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Likely Egypt with wall to wall Koran?

Other than hearing them, mostly  audio traces on 909 1215 and
1386.   Seems to be settling down somewhat post-0300UT.




At 01:48 2018-11-04, R. Colin Newell wrote:

>Middle eastern kinda music on 864khz...
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Re: [IRCA] Poipu, Kauai (Hawaii) DXing

[Chuck Hutton]

Theo -


I should have mentioned it is Brazilian Portuguese, like you did.

And yes, about the first word is Transmundial. Good spot.


I think this is another case of reporting even channel DX on a TP/DU frequenmcy.

Chuck

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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Poipu, Kauai (Hawaii) DXing

801 is in Portuguese, and to my ears of the Brazilian kind.

Are you sure you weren't on 800, though the direction would be totally
wacky?The woman says "Transmundial" within the opening seconds of
your clip but there's no context I can grab before that.

Theo

On 3/11/2018 9:15 AM, Bruce Portzer wrote:
> Hi Gary
>
> It sounds like you're off to a good start.
>
> 783 lacked the key words I need, such as "Guangbo", to ID Chinese
> stations.  No ideas on that one.
>
> 801 sounds like Italian, which suggests the Rete Italia station in
> Gosford NSW.  The gang at RealDX should  be able to nail it down for
> sure.
>
> Enjoy you trip
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On 11/3/2018 04:47, Gary DeBock wrote:
>>   After two trips to Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island) my wife and
>> I decided to try a vacation on the "Garden Island" of Kauai. Craig
>> Barnes has already been here with his 5" Frequent Flyer FSL in April
>> of 2017 ,and made out like a bandit with lots of Asian DX in
>> Princeville, on the north side of the island.
>>
>>   Whereas Kona on the Big Island has a high mountain ridge which
>> greatly reduces the strength of North and South American stations,
>> Poipu in Kauai has a straight ocean shot to both areas, along with
>> similar paths to both Asia and the South Pacific. In DXing tonight it
>> seemed like all four areas were coming in at good strength, with 621
>> kHz having two S9 stations from two different areas (621-Tuvalu and
>> VoK's Japanese service) and 1440 kHz having the same (Kiribati and
>> JOWF). Fortunately the "Frequent Flyer" FSL can completely null out
>> one area or the other.
>>
>>   To investigate some questions that were discussed recently
>> among the Northwest TP-DXing gang, I made a recording of 621-VoK's
>> Japanese service at 0943, complete with a buzzing hum on the audio
>> (which is more noticeable during signal fades)
>> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/7d6eggmr9ntnfjej3zf22dh1s5p32wyd
>>
>> There was also a question of the identity of the 783 "Chinese Opera"
>> station. At the 1000 TOH I was able to record the full Chinese ID,
>> which hopefully someone can decipher
>> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/rcliqm4q1b9amlvmw11ofgfje6en66a2
>>
>> Finally, I promised Chris Kadlec that I would investigate whether 801
>> kHz really has a Seoul metro area jammer on the Pyongyang BS signal .
>> Unfortunately 801 kHz had this monster UnID covering the frequency
>> from 0910-0930 tonight, which I think may be from the Philippines.
>> Can anyone provide language or station identification?
>> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/mpi5eam5d93beb5hd0kne8y0x50h9zua
>>
>> Anyway, Chris, I'll keep trying on the 801 jammer investigation. One
>> thing seems to be for sure here in Kauai-- the 819-KCBS and 981-CNR1
>> stations don't seem to have the overwhelming strength that they did
>> in Kona (at least not tonight). But 783-China was at S9+ strength for
>> much of the evening, when it was pretty weak in Kona
>> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/dsw1h8s4ilxq5mxpnd0bd67fte4wfifw Go
>> figure!
>>
>> 73 and Good DX,
>>
>> Gary DeBock (DXing at Poipu Kai, Kauai, Hawaii for 6 days)
>>
>> 7.5" loopstick CC Skywave Ultralight + 5" Frequent Flyer FSL antenna
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [IRCA] Poipu, Kauai (Hawaii) DXing

[Chuck Hutton]

Another person, another opinion.


I think the 801 is not Italian but rather Portuguese. Perhaps I am being fooled 
by a strong accent but so it seems. If so, I suppose it is Niche Radio..


783: there is indeed a "guangbo diantai" ID at :17. I think she says "Hebei 
Shenguo Guangbo Diantai".


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Bruce Portzer 

Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 9:15 AM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Poipu, Kauai (Hawaii) DXing

Hi Gary

It sounds like you're off to a good start.

783 lacked the key words I need, such as "Guangbo", to ID Chinese
stations.  No ideas on that one.

801 sounds like Italian, which suggests the Rete Italia station in
Gosford NSW.  The gang at RealDX should  be able to nail it down for sure.

Enjoy you trip

Bruce


On 11/3/2018 04:47, Gary DeBock wrote:
>   After two trips to Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island) my wife and I 
> decided to try a vacation on the "Garden Island" of Kauai. Craig Barnes has 
> already been here with his 5" Frequent Flyer FSL in April of 2017 ,and made 
> out like a bandit with lots of Asian DX in Princeville, on the north side of 
> the island.
>
>   Whereas Kona on the Big Island has a high mountain ridge which greatly 
> reduces the strength of North and South American stations, Poipu in Kauai has 
> a straight ocean shot to both areas, along with similar paths to both Asia 
> and the South Pacific. In DXing tonight it seemed like all four areas were 
> coming in at good strength, with 621 kHz having two S9 stations from two 
> different areas (621-Tuvalu and VoK's Japanese service) and 1440 kHz having 
> the same (Kiribati and JOWF). Fortunately the "Frequent Flyer" FSL can 
> completely null out one area or the other.
>
>   To investigate some questions that were discussed recently among the 
> Northwest TP-DXing gang, I made a recording of 621-VoK's Japanese service at 
> 0943, complete with a buzzing hum on the audio (which is more noticeable 
> during signal fades)  
> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/7d6eggmr9ntnfjej3zf22dh1s5p32wyd
>
> There was also a question of the identity of the 783 "Chinese Opera" station. 
> At the 1000 TOH I was able to record the full Chinese ID, which hopefully 
> someone can decipher  
> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/rcliqm4q1b9amlvmw11ofgfje6en66a2
>
> Finally, I promised Chris Kadlec that I would investigate whether 801 kHz 
> really has a Seoul metro area jammer on the Pyongyang BS signal . 
> Unfortunately 801 kHz had this monster UnID covering the frequency from 
> 0910-0930 tonight, which I think may be from the Philippines. Can anyone 
> provide language or station identification?  
> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/mpi5eam5d93beb5hd0kne8y0x50h9zua
>
> Anyway, Chris, I'll keep trying on the 801 jammer investigation. One thing 
> seems to be for sure here in Kauai-- the 819-KCBS and 981-CNR1 stations don't 
> seem to have the overwhelming strength that they did in Kona (at least not 
> tonight). But 783-China was at S9+ strength for much of the evening, when it 
> was pretty weak in Kona  
> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/dsw1h8s4ilxq5mxpnd0bd67fte4wfifw   Go figure!
>
> 73 and Good DX,
>
> Gary DeBock (DXing at Poipu Kai, Kauai, Hawaii for 6 days)
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Re: [IRCA] phasing story

[Chuck Hutton]

Who will log the Faroes first this season? And Iceland 666?


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Tim Tromp 

Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:06 PM
To: IRCA Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] phasing story

Tony,

Congratulations on catching KNR on 720, and welcome to the party!  Don't
forget to try 650 also, which has been better here on some nights versus
their 720 outlet.  And then there's the elusive 570 which hasn't happened
here yet.

73,
Tim Tromp (125 miles away from WGN)


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:46 PM TONY WARD  wrote:

> May I please join the party! With a bow to Sylvain, who started me on the
> hunt — I spent weeks phasing WGN to oblivion trying for KNR Greenland on
> 720 after he logged it several years ago — and of course Tim and Kaz with
> their recent superb achievements, I lit up the under-utilised DXE NCC-1
> phaser. It has been side-lined here because recording on the Perseus
> encourages the broadband approach. Hooked my 400 ft Greenland nDB BOG (c.
> 40 degrees; love BOG’s, they cannot fall down when cometh the ice!) to
> antenna post A, and the trusty PA0RDT mini whip to B, and experimented with
> reducing WGN to dust on 720. With some success. At 0218Z, as others have
> noted, KNR stuck a few distinctive pop tunes into the man talking/woman
> talking routine that was rumbling along and it was obvious that success was
> at last at hand.
>
>  Now WGN is 400 miles from here, and pretty well 180 degrees from
> Greenland, but still, it felt pretty good….right up there with logging the
> 75m signal a few scant weeks before they pulled the plug, back in the day..
> There is about 2500 ft of creatively draped wire these days in my suburban
> ravine; in Whitby, 25 miles NW of Toronto downtown, and it feels really
> good I can tell you. I have bionic knees and don’t get around too well
> right now. I can see future antenna maintenance could be quite a problem.
> But I am seeing the Aussie and Pacific carriers at dawn (currently 1250Z or
> so here), and perhaps a few from Asia over the pole will make it this
> winter with the Solar low. Iceland booms in here on LW (both channels), as
> do many of the Europeans lately, when conditions are good. What was that
> wonderful station on 1134 that I heard earlier than 2pm local time a few
> years ago? And if all that fails, there are those amazing remote listening
> SDRs from which you can hear the World, as weak, or as strong, as you wish.
>
>  — Tony Ward (ZL1AZV, VE3NO etc)
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2018, at 13:10, Neil Kazaross  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, the S meter is a must for getting the best nulls. You can do it
> > audibly, but the S meter sure helps.  73 KAZ
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:06 PM Jim B  wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> I put larger knobs on my quantum phaser for finer adjustment, but now
> >> that
> >>> I use SDR Console for MW dxing, I also use the gain db scale like a
> >> digital
> >>> readout to help find the best nulls.   Jim
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Neil Kazaross 
> >>> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com ; Nrc-am <
> >>> nrc...@googlegroups.com>; a...@yahoogroups.com 
> >>> Sent: Sun, Oct 28, 2018 10:27 pm
> >>> Subject: [nrc-am] A phasing story. Greenland 720 logged in IL.
> >>>
> >>> A phasing story from last night. I live 12 miles NNW from WGN's xmtr. I
> >>> put down a 288 ft BOG at about 35 deg // a 177 ft one. Phase null of
> WGN
> >>> peaked at about 50 dB and it was down close to S6 on Perseus.? Sure
> >> enough
> >>> there's audio seeming // KNR webstream which was mostly talk. Then from
> >>> 0104-8 a couple of bouncy tunes sung by females clinched it leaving me
> no
> >>> doubt. This using the Quantum Phaser which I think I'd like 2:1 or even
> >> 3:1
> >>> Vernier knobs for.
> >>> When I got Greenland at my WI DX paradise a decade ago, WGN and KNR
> were
> >>> about S7-8 using longer terminated BOGs. At 12 miles distance I have no
> >>> skywave to worry about.
> >>> I couldn't get Greenland on 650 where even though WSCR and WSM are
> close
> >>> together on the dial and in similar directions, WSCR IBOC crept up
> during
> >>> best null on WSM and visa-versa.
> >>> IBOC sucks but phasing ROCKS. Short BOGs aren't impressive 'til you
> phase
> >>> them to create good back nulls. ? 73 KAZ?--
> >>>
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[IRCA] Breakwater Inn (exGrayland Motel)

[Chuck Hutton]

On Friday Oct 12, we noticed work had been done on the front of the ex Grayland 
Motel and the sign was gone.

Bruce Googled the address and found it had a new name: Breakwater Inn and 
Cottahes.


So off we went on Sunday to find out what was happening. The result: we found 
that the new owners (a nice couple) were busy renovating the place from top to 
bottom. They're doing all the work themselves, and the cottages are finished 
and look nice.  The old run down place is no more!


The work on the motel part is just starting. They hope to have some of it open 
in January.


I don't know exact prices but Becky (co-owner) knows the place will draw 
families, beachcombers and clammers and won't try to be an upscale expensive 
place.


We told her a bit about the history of radio at the Grayland Motel and about 
our antennas.  We passed the test and she's happy to have us.


It's just great to have the motel in the hands of someone that wants to 
rejuvenate it, can do the work themselves, and isn't trying to get rich.


In a few months we'll go check it out and check the noise levels.


http://breakwatergrayland.com/


Viva Grayland!


Chuck


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Re: [IRCA] More DKaz changes of characteristics with frequency

[Chuck Hutton]

Kaz -


OK, now I understand. I assumed you were saying the data in the main table 
didn't mat your data.

And you are quite right that the rolloff data is for a 200' DKAZ. I'll re-label 
it.

But it won't make any difference - there is going to be a big rolloff 
regardless of exact size.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross 

Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 6:56 AM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] More DKaz changes of characteristics with frequency

Chuck, the data I am talking about is the data from your results. I am not
sure we are talking about the same thing, but the gain (signal level)
figures in the long table are clearly the one's from you 200 ft data rather
than 160 ft. Perhaps I am missing an earlier email or two in this thread?

I attach my EZNEC model of Mark D's typical 20 x 140 ft DKAZ and all the
have EZNEC are free to adjust size, check elevation patterns etc etc.

73 KAZ

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:28 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> It's kind if hard to resolve things with nothing to shoot at. How about
> emailing your data to me?
>
>
> Chuck
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross <
> neilka...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:48 PM
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] More DKaz changes of characteristics with frequency
>
> If this is the table I am supposed to have...
>
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ%20and%20flag%20size%20comparisons1.pdf
>
> Please check again since the gain figures in your table are almost a
> perfect match to those for 200 ft.
>
> My simulations show similar to yours in that when the antenna gets really
> large high end F/B suffers and the beam widens somewhat up high as well.
> 73 KAZ
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:12 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:
>
> > I just verified it is indeed 160' data.
> >
> > I'm wondering if you have simulations or real world experience that
> paints
> > a different story? I always wpnder of our simulations line up exactly.
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross <
> > neilka...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:56 PM
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] More DKaz changes of characteristics with frequency
> >
> > The data in that table looks like 200 ft performance to me rather than
> 160
> > ft.  73 KAZ
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:17 PM Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:
> >
> > > Chuck has added to to his original Excel file, a chart and data
> > > showing the DKAZ rolloff versus frequency, so here is the updated pdf
> > > version of his work:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ%20and%20flag%20size%20comparisons1.pdf
> > >
> > > best wishes,
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nick Hall-Patch
> > > Victoria, BC
> > > Canada
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Re: [IRCA] Greenland into Michigan right now

[Chuck Hutton]

Walt -


Tim asked 2 questions:


(1) is 570 active?

(2) is it // 720?


I answered #1. It is indeed active. I didn't say anything about #2.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Volodya S 

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:27 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Greenland into Michigan right now

But Tim is reporting 650 tonight // to 720, so maybe you have outdated
information, ChuckWalt

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:29 AM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> 570 and 720 are active and I thinkthose are the only 2 active Greenland
> stations.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Tim Tromp <
> kilok...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 8:58 PM
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Greenland into Michigan right now
>
> Jim,
>
> Do you know if 570 is active, and if it's parallel to the others?  Going
> for the trifecta tonight... :-)
>
> 73,
> -Tim
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:55 PM James Renfrew 
> wrote:
>
> > There MIGHT be something under WGN.  KNR web audio, if it is live, has
> been
> > a man talking, but now some music, but I'm not hearing the music on 720..
> > WSM is not leaving room for anything else with its strong signal.
> Anyway,
> > nice job getting both.  That's got to be a record of some kind, so far
> into
> > the interior.  At Cappahayden Newfoundland the 720 can be heard during
> the
> > day.   Jim Renfrew, Clarendon NY
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:32 PM Tim Tromp  wrote:
> >
> > > Both 650 & 720 KNR are reaching Michigan right now with parallel
> > > programming.  720 is a relog while 650 is new here.  540 Hungary noted
> > > almost topping CBK here too a few minutes ago.  General TA conditions
> > > continue to be very good as they have been for several nights now.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Tim Tromp
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Re: [IRCA] Greenland into Michigan right now

[Chuck Hutton]

570 and 720 are active and I thinkthose are the only 2 active Greenland 
stations.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Tim Tromp 

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 8:58 PM
To: IRCA Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Greenland into Michigan right now

Jim,

Do you know if 570 is active, and if it's parallel to the others?  Going
for the trifecta tonight... :-)

73,
-Tim


On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:55 PM James Renfrew 
wrote:

> There MIGHT be something under WGN.  KNR web audio, if it is live, has been
> a man talking, but now some music, but I'm not hearing the music on 720.
> WSM is not leaving room for anything else with its strong signal.  Anyway,
> nice job getting both.  That's got to be a record of some kind, so far into
> the interior.  At Cappahayden Newfoundland the 720 can be heard during the
> day.   Jim Renfrew, Clarendon NY
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 11:32 PM Tim Tromp  wrote:
>
> > Both 650 & 720 KNR are reaching Michigan right now with parallel
> > programming.  720 is a relog while 650 is new here.  540 Hungary noted
> > almost topping CBK here too a few minutes ago.  General TA conditions
> > continue to be very good as they have been for several nights now.
> >
> > 73,
> > Tim Tromp
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Re: [IRCA] More DKaz changes of characteristics with frequency

[Chuck Hutton]

It's kind if hard to resolve things with nothing to shoot at. How about 
emailing your data to me?


Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross 

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:48 PM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] More DKaz changes of characteristics with frequency

If this is the table I am supposed to have...
http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ%20and%20flag%20size%20comparisons1.pdf

Please check again since the gain figures in your table are almost a
perfect match to those for 200 ft.

My simulations show similar to yours in that when the antenna gets really
large high end F/B suffers and the beam widens somewhat up high as well.
73 KAZ

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 8:12 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> I just verified it is indeed 160' data.
>
> I'm wondering if you have simulations or real world experience that paints
> a different story? I always wpnder of our simulations line up exactly.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross <
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> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:56 PM
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] More DKaz changes of characteristics with frequency
>
> The data in that table looks like 200 ft performance to me rather than 160
> ft.  73 KAZ
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:17 PM Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:
>
> > Chuck has added to to his original Excel file, a chart and data
> > showing the DKAZ rolloff versus frequency, so here is the updated pdf
> > version of his work:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ%20and%20flag%20size%20comparisons1.pdf
> >
> > best wishes,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [IRCA] More DKaz changes of characteristics with frequency

[Chuck Hutton]

I just verified it is indeed 160' data.

I'm wondering if you have simulations or real world experience that paints a 
different story? I always wpnder of our simulations line up exactly.


Chuck



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The data in that table looks like 200 ft performance to me rather than 160
ft.  73 KAZ

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:17 PM Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> Chuck has added to to his original Excel file, a chart and data
> showing the DKAZ rolloff versus frequency, so here is the updated pdf
> version of his work:
>
>
>
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ%20and%20flag%20size%20comparisons1.pdf
>
> best wishes,
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Re: [IRCA] TP 25 Oct Victoria version.

[Chuck Hutton]

Not at 1424 UTC!


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 5:19 AM
To: d1028g...@comcast.net; irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] TP 25 Oct Victoria version.

On the EC, Syria would be the first suspect.

Russ Edmunds






On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:02 AM Gary DeBock  wrote:

> Hi Nick,
>
> <<< 783 a real mystery; rustic sounding stringed/oboe type music with
> shouting 1424UT.
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/783_20181026_1424b.wav Any
> thoughts? >>>
>
> It sounds like Chinese opera, the same program that I heard on 783 kHz in
> Kona, Hawaii at a stronger level last December
> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/2fajh29wb6givv89f0sl30iwzsqmuz9l
> Maybe the Finnish DXers on RealDX are familiar with the station?
>
> Gary
>
> > On October 26, 2018 at 1:46 AM Nick Hall-Patch  n...@ieee.org > wrote:
> >
> >
> > First thought was maybe a little less intense than yesterday
> morning. After some poking through the files, I'm not so sure, especially
> around 1425UT. As usual, lots of smaller signals that were missed.
> >
> > pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native
> speaker, at least briefly):
> >
> > 558 HLQH female vocal //603 1425UT
> >
> > 567 JOIK woman in Japanese //594 1429UT
> >
> > 594 JOAK at various times, reliable for parallels
> >
> > 603 HLSA woman in Korean into light vocal music //558 1408UT
> >
> > 639 CNR1 man in Chinese, 1415UT
> >
> > 666 JOBK woman in Japanese 1424UT //594
> >
> > 747 JOIB English lessons 1405UT, discussing Radio Taiso, the
> calisthenics program that's on NHK1 every morning
> >
> > 774 JOUB English lessons 1401UT
> >
> > 819 N. Korea orchestral music shaking the rafters 1416-7UT,
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/819_20181026_1416.wav
> >
> > 828 JOBB English lessons 1405UT more on Radio Taiso
> >
> > 972 HLCA man in Korean,1400UT
> >
> > 1287 JOHR woman and man in Japanese,, 1430UT
> >
> > 1575 VoA woman in SE Asian language 1405UT; at 1430UT somewhat
> weaker with "Voice of America, ..in Burmese"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Reasonable audio at times during the period (much of it
> understandable by a native speaker, though often battling w/splash or
> noise):
> >
> > 612 JOLK man //594 1429UT, lording it over 4QR
> >
> > 657 N. Korea man in Korean 1411UT, and also 1431UT
> >
> > 864 man in Japanese 1423UT
> >
> > 891 JOHK woman //594 1442UT
> >
> > 945 CNR1 man in Chinese 1354UT //639, but something else dominated a
> moment before
> >
> > 1179 big orchestral music and choir 1421. assumed one of the
> Chinese, JOOR it wasn't
> >
> > 1323 CRI woman in Russion 1420UT
> >
> > 1566 HLAZ woman in Chinese and piano music 1502UT
> >
> >
> >
> > not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or
> noise could be understood by a native speaker:
> >
> > 612 4QR man and woman in DU English 1424UT battling with JOLK
> >
> > 693 JOAB man in Portuguese //774 1358UT
> >
> > 702 man in Chinese 1407UT
> >
> > 702 NHK2 English lessons 1404-5UT
> >
> > 711 HLKA "H-L-KA" (KA run together) by man and pips 1400UT
> >
> > 792 4RN man and woman in DU English 1433UT
> >
> > 873 JOGB English lessons 1402UT; operatic singing in background
> assumed N. Korea
> >
> > 963 CRI man in Russian 1437UT
> >
> > 1098 CNR1 man in Chinese, pips 1400UT; second set of pips a few
> seconds later; Beijing time check
> >
> > 1143 Taiwan Fisheries man talking //738 1410UT
> >
> > 1242 JOLF woman in Japanese 1421UT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be
> guessed at by cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in talk
> or music)
> >
> > 531 JOQG woman //594 1436UT
> >
> > 621 Heilongjiang RGD, quiet vocals //900 1357UT, Chinese pips on the
> hour
> >
> > 675 NHK1 piano music //567 1432UT
> >
> > 738 2NR man talking //612 1428UT
> >
> > 738 Taiwan Fisheries man //1143 1410UT
> >
> > 783 a real mystery; rustic sounding stringed/oboe type music with
> shouting 1424UT.
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/783_20181026_1424b.wav Any
> thoughts?
> >
> > 792 unID man talking , Chinese intonation 1424UT
> >
> > 900 Heilongjiang RGD, not much, but patches of music //621 and pips
> on the hour 1357UT
> >
> > 918 woman Chinese intonation 1411UT
> >
> > 954 man talking Japanese intonation 1409UT
> >
> > 981 CNR1 man in Chinese //639 1415UT
> >
> > 1026 woman talking Chinese intonation 1404UT
> >
> > 1107 man talking, Chinese intonation 1409UT
> >
> > 1206 woman talking, Korean intonation 1400UT
> >
> > 1224 pop vocal, not //594 1422UT
> >
> > 1305 woman in Chinese? 1410UT, but another station with man in
> possible Chinese as well.
> >
> > 1548 man talking DU English intonation 1503UT
> >
> > 

Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data

[Chuck Hutton]

Bill -


I'll try to get around to it shortly, even if I am sick of running the 
simulations.


Chuck



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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 1:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data

Thanks for running this Chuck and to Nick for making the results readable.

I’ll repeat a request I made a few days ago - any chance of adding a column for 
1MHz?

My impression is that there is not a linear degradation in gain on the DKAZ but 
that it falls off more rapidly below 700 or 800 kHz.  Therefore I’m betting a 
run at 1MHz would have similar values to that at 1.5MHz.

Bill Whitacre

---

> On Oct 25, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:
>
> I've posted Chuck's tabulated results at
>
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ_and_flag_size_comparisons.pdf
>
> Hate to think of the work he has put into this going to waste because of the 
> mail limitation.  It's good information, and this has been a really 
> worthwhile discussion.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> At 18:40 2018-10-25, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>> Here's an updated data set on the DKAZ and Corner Fed Loop.
>>
>>
>> DKAZ
>> LENGTH  .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B
>> AND TERM1.5 MHZ F/B
>> AND TERMRDF .5 MHZ  RDF 1.5 MHZ 3 DB WIDTH
>> (.5 and 1.5 MHZ)   6 DB WIDTH
>> (.5 and 1.5 MHZ)
>> 100 -61.1   -34.6   35.1 (1150) 47.3 (1100) 8.9 7.9 99 / 
>> 101140 / 150
>> 120 -58 -31.8   42  32.5
>> 140 -55.4   -29.5   37.430.7
>> 160 -53.2   -27.5   39.4 (1000) 26.5 (1100) 8.7 7   97 / 
>> 102140 / 140
>> 180 -51.2   -26.8   44.822.2
>> 200 -49.5   -24.2   45.2 (1500) 19.1 (1500) 8.6 11.23   96 / 
>> 106140 / 150
>> CORNER FED LOOP
>> 18 x 18 -52.5   -34.1   46.5 (1000) 43.7 (1025 or 1050) 8.5 8.7  
>>150 /  151  190 / 200
>> 18 x 36 -47 -28.7   36.6 (1150) 30.4 (1150)
>> 25 x 50 -42.4   -24.2   35.8 (1175) 27.6(1225)  7.7 7.7 146 
>> / 150   200 / 200
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Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data

[Chuck Hutton]

Russ:


The formatting is perfect in my email reader (Outlook).

I'll decline the opportunity to reformat for various email readers since Nick 
posted the original file..


Chuck





From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds 

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:39 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data

For Chuck and others, I found some years back that if I sent a draft to myself 
first and then edited it and re-sent it, I could minimize that problem, but 
it's more work than some may want to put into it.


Russ Edmunds

WB2BJH

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From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 3:37:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data

I've posted Chuck's tabulated results at

http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/DKAZ_and_flag_size_comparisons.pdf

Hate to think of the work he has put into this going to waste because
of the mail limitation.  It's good information, and this has been a
really worthwhile discussion.

best wishes,

Nick



At 18:40 2018-10-25, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>Here's an updated data set on the DKAZ and Corner Fed Loop.
>
>
>DKAZ
>LENGTH  .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B
>AND TERM1.5 MHZ F/B
>AND TERMRDF .5 MHZ  RDF 1.5 MHZ 3 DB WIDTH
>  (.5 and 1.5 MHZ)   6 DB WIDTH
>(.5 and 1.5 MHZ)
>100 -61.1   -34.6   35.1 (1150) 47.3
>(1100) 8.9 7.9 99 / 101140 / 150
>120 -58 -31.8   42  32.5
>140 -55.4   -29.5   37.430.7
>160 -53.2   -27.5   39.4 (1000) 26.5
>(1100) 8.7 7   97 / 102140 / 140
>180 -51.2   -26.8   44.822.2
>200 -49.5   -24.2   45.2 (1500) 19.1
>(1500) 8.6 11.23   96 / 106140 / 150
>CORNER FED LOOP
>18 x 18 -52.5   -34.1   46.5 (1000) 43.7 (1025 or
>1050) 8.5 8.7 150 /  151  190 / 200
>18 x 36 -47 -28.7   36.6 (1150) 30.4 (1150)
>25 x 50 -42.4   -24.2   35.8
>(1175) 27.6(1225)  7.7 7.7 146 / 150   200 / 200
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[IRCA] DKAZ and Flag data

[Chuck Hutton]

Here's an updated data set on the DKAZ and Corner Fed Loop.


DKAZ
LENGTH  .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B
AND TERM1.5 MHZ F/B
AND TERMRDF .5 MHZ  RDF 1.5 MHZ 3 DB WIDTH
 (.5 and 1.5 MHZ)   6 DB WIDTH
(.5 and 1.5 MHZ)
100 -61.1   -34.6   35.1 (1150) 47.3 (1100) 8.9 7.9 99 / 
101140 / 150
120 -58 -31.8   42  32.5
140 -55.4   -29.5   37.430.7
160 -53.2   -27.5   39.4 (1000) 26.5 (1100) 8.7 7   97 / 
102140 / 140
180 -51.2   -26.8   44.822.2
200 -49.5   -24.2   45.2 (1500) 19.1 (1500) 8.6 11.23   96 / 
106140 / 150
CORNER FED LOOP
18 x 18 -52.5   -34.1   46.5 (1000) 43.7 (1025 or 1050) 8.5 8.7 
150 /  151  190 / 200
18 x 36 -47 -28.7   36.6 (1150) 30.4 (1150)
25 x 50 -42.4   -24.2   35.8 (1175) 27.6(1225)  7.7 7.7 146 / 
150   200 / 200

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Re: [IRCA] further Victoria TA from Oct 24

[Chuck Hutton]

Walt -


Faroes is still on the air.

As for PEI hearing them in 2017: I only expect to hear Faroes in the bottom of 
the cycle and 2017 wasn't really a "bottom of the cycle" year.


Chuck



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Subject: Re: [IRCA] further Victoria TA from Oct 24

Chuck, Re the Faroes on 531, my understanding was that they were either off
or much reduced power.  I don’t think it was audible at all last year at
the PEI Listening Waters.  Walt

On Wednesday, October 24, 2018, Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> In these conditions, 531 could be Faroes which has made it into various
> parts of NA.
>
>
> Chuck.
>
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross <
> neilka...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 6:46 PM
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] further Victoria TA from Oct 24
>
> Hi Nick a few comments.  531 Jil typically has more lively mx, I presume
> this isn't // RNE stations so not Spain so I have no idea unless Jil. Try
> // 549 and hope anything audible pops up.
>
> Your 864 is Egypt. So nice to not have Paris there anymore.
>
> Re: 1107, unless I've been asleep all year, RNE stations run R5 overnight
> so see if you can // 1107 for a positive.
>
> 73 KAZ
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:36 PM Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:
>
> > Had a chance to go through some files from last night's TA
> > extravaganza (24 October), and got a couple more firm loggings, as
> > the TA carriers are starting to pop up weakly this evening
> >
> > 531 nothing to ID here, but at least did find some audio at 0332UT,
> > with slow vocal music...never more than poor strength.  Jil FM the
> > most likely candidate?
> >
> > 576 RNE1 man talking at 0342UT, //855. 576 was pretty marginal, but
> > was definitely the same as 855 which was merely poor
> >
> > 585 RNE1  at same time, managed to hear the same program , also
> > pretty marginal but //855
> >
> > 864 definite Quranic chanting in splash, best at 0344UT fading slowly
> > away over the next five minutes.  Egypt seems most likely with its
> > sunrise about 15 minutes later.
> >
> > 1107 almost certain that man on this channel was talking Spanish,
> > pretty rapidly with news sounders 0340UT.  Possibly RNE5?
> >
> >
> > best wishes,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
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Re: [IRCA] further Victoria TA from Oct 24

[Chuck Hutton]

In these conditions, 531 could be Faroes which has made it into various parts 
of NA.


Chuck.




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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 6:46 PM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] further Victoria TA from Oct 24

Hi Nick a few comments.  531 Jil typically has more lively mx, I presume
this isn't // RNE stations so not Spain so I have no idea unless Jil. Try
// 549 and hope anything audible pops up.

Your 864 is Egypt. So nice to not have Paris there anymore.

Re: 1107, unless I've been asleep all year, RNE stations run R5 overnight
so see if you can // 1107 for a positive.

73 KAZ

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:36 PM Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> Had a chance to go through some files from last night's TA
> extravaganza (24 October), and got a couple more firm loggings, as
> the TA carriers are starting to pop up weakly this evening
>
> 531 nothing to ID here, but at least did find some audio at 0332UT,
> with slow vocal music...never more than poor strength.  Jil FM the
> most likely candidate?
>
> 576 RNE1 man talking at 0342UT, //855. 576 was pretty marginal, but
> was definitely the same as 855 which was merely poor
>
> 585 RNE1  at same time, managed to hear the same program , also
> pretty marginal but //855
>
> 864 definite Quranic chanting in splash, best at 0344UT fading slowly
> away over the next five minutes.  Egypt seems most likely with its
> sunrise about 15 minutes later.
>
> 1107 almost certain that man on this channel was talking Spanish,
> pretty rapidly with news sounders 0340UT.  Possibly RNE5?
>
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

Mark -


No arrogance detected here.

Now back to the issue of DKAZ low band performance...…


Chuck



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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 8:58 AM
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Apologies, Chuck, and to the rest here. In looking back at my post, I
realize I could have said things a lot less arrogantly and put-offish.
That's how I sounded to myself anyway after re-reading what I posted.

73,
Mark

On 2018-10-24 1:57 am, Chuck Hutton wrote:
> Mark -
>
>
> I suppose we all agree that the DKAZ has nailed some great catches.
>
> My goal was to point out a shortcoming, not to say that it can't hear
> DX a la Colombia / Venezuela / Nicaragua.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

Mark -


I suppose we all agree that the DKAZ has nailed some great catches.

My goal was to point out a shortcoming, not to say that it can't hear DX a la 
Colombia / Venezuela / Nicaragua.


Chuck



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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

**Anecdotal evidence alert**

I guess I'll risk getting attacked with fruit as well. I got into the AM
DX part of the hobby only two years ago, so I didn't get the memo about
140 feet being too short. I have lots of great catches from here in the
Midwest on the shorter DKAZ made from those instructions, like Colombia,
Venezuela and Nicaragua, a very tentative snippet from Brazil, and I'm
pretty sure I have Tahiti on one of the recordings I made before they
went off the air. (I just have to remember which hard drive it's on...)

For most of that time though I have been using the FLG100LN-2, which I'm
sure makes a difference. I also didn't make it reversible or anything. I
put up a "test" antenna to see how it would perform, using some coax and
my first hand-made transformer (on a toroid my brother had lying about
at his workplace, so I don't even know what material it is), and have
been using it ever since, manually switching it from N-S to E-W. But
like driving a stick shift, you only do it for so long and then you want
an automatic, so I might try to make it reversible (and add a second one
if I can figure out where to put it, to cover all directions).

Mark

On 2018-10-23 10:30 pm, Mark Durenberger wrote:
> Hi Don.  That D-Kaz paper is being updated but will probably still
> suggest
> 140 feet as a popular length.
>
> (Ducking, expecting incoming bananas from Chuck)
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mark Durenberger
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IRCA  On Behalf Of Don Moman VE6JY
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 6:02 PM
> To: International Radio Club of America 
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag
>
> http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf   is updated and
SOME FIELD INFORMATION ON THE DOUBLE DELTA (D KAZ) 
ANTENNA<http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf>
www.durenberger.com
The D‐Kaz antenna for MW (and well above) is a Double‐Delta variant, as seen 
below. The “self‐impedance” of the D‐Kaz is around 1000 ohms at corners “A” and 
“B.” The null‐pot at 2000 ohms gives good range.



> still
> shows the 140 foot version.  I don't see anything more recent I
> wish I
> had. Is there a link?  I just built 4 of them last year, one for each
> major
> direction. I finally have them all hooked up for this season. With the
> low
> wire they are a great moose catcher!  I could have easily made them
> higher
> but I was just following the instructions. I could have made them
> larger as
> I have plenty of room. Now not so easy...
> Don
> VE6JY
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 3:36 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:
>
>> As do we all I think. The 140 foot version was abandoned over 5 years
>> ago as it wasn't cutting it at th low end.
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
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Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

Nick:


That's what EZNEC says via AutoEZ.


Chuck


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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 7:48 PM
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Thanks for doing that Chuck.  One interesting number is 42dB F/B at
0.5MHz for 120'.  Is that correct?

But the problem seems to go beyond low signal level on the lower band
with smaller DKaz.  Beyond that one data point I mention, it also
seems that the larger DKaz provides significantly better F/B on the
low band, as it also weakens the F/B on the upper band.

Looks like two DKaz' are in order for the next DXpedition, a big one
and a small one...


Nick




At 01:31 2018-10-24, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>Here's a little comparison of DKAZ'es from 100' to 200'.
>
>
>LENGTH  .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B  1.5 MHZ F/B
>100 -61.1   -34.6   35.147.3
>120 -58 -31.8   42  32.5
>140 -55.4   -29.5   37.430.7
>160 -53.2   -27.5   39.426.5
>180 -51.2   -26.8   44.822.2
>200 -49.5   -24.2   45.219.1
>
>
>The formatting is a little messed up when pasting data from Excel.
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on behalf of Don Moman
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>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:02 PM
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>Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag
>
>http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf   is updated and still
SOME FIELD INFORMATION ON THE DOUBLE DELTA (D KAZ) 
ANTENNA<http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf>
www.durenberger.com
The D‐Kaz antenna for MW (and well above) is a Double‐Delta variant, as seen 
below. The “self‐impedance” of the D‐Kaz is around 1000 ohms at corners “A” and 
“B.” The null‐pot at 2000 ohms gives good range.



>SOME FIELD INFORMATION ON THE DOUBLE DELTA (D KAZ)
>ANTENNA<http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf>
>www.durenberger.com<http://www.durenberger.com>
>The D$B!>(BKaz antenna for MW (and well above) is a
>Double$B!>(BDelta variant, as seen below. The
>$B!H(Bself$B!>(Bimpedance$B!I(B of the D$B!>(BKaz is around 1000
>ohms at corners $B!H(BA$B!I(B and $B!H(BB.$B!I(B The null$B!>(Bpot
>at 2000 ohms gives good range.
>
>
>
>shows the 140 foot version.  I don't see anything more recent I wish I
>had. Is there a link?  I just built 4 of them last year, one for each major
>direction. I finally have them all hooked up for this season. With the low
>wire they are a great moose catcher!  I could have easily made them higher
>but I was just following the instructions. I could have made them larger as
>I have plenty of room. Now not so easy...
>Don
>VE6JY
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 3:36 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:
>
> > As do we all I think. The 140 foot version was abandoned over 5 years ago
> > as it wasn't cutting it at th low end.
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
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Re: [IRCA] Tasmania into Michigan, Oct.23rd, 2018

[Chuck Hutton]

Congratulations to Tim for a catch to remember. Is it true you now hum the ABC 
fanfare while going to work?

7RN is not normally strong even at the coast. This should go into the Hall of 
Fame along with Nigel's Coast Radio 1584 reception.


Yes Kaz, it's hit or miss as to whether you will hear pips from ABC. Maybe half 
the stations? I don't count on the pips but rather try to focus on the fanfare.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross 

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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Tasmania into Michigan, Oct.23rd, 2018

Congrats Tim!!! Gary, here in the upper Midwest we have somewhat of an
advantage for DU's as unless cx are extremely low A and K for a LONG LONG
time we don't have to worry about Japan/Korea/China etc making it thru the
AU zone.
Tim you may want to carefully check the spectrum and see if 2WEB's carrier
came up also on 585. It surpassed 7RN briefly when I logged 7RN last year.
But in repeated replays. I cannot be sure there was any mx from 2WEB.

To me it seems that some Aussie ABC or RN's use pips but many don't. Please
clarify west coast guys!

Yeah, stuff in really good cx can still be audible 15 minutes past LSR
here, but by 25 min past, fugetaboutit.

Tim, I hope you can nail down Tonga on 1017. Best ever here Monday and no
doubts.

Laura and I were out very late last night so slept in this morning. Deaths
in her family and especially her tiny dog that never left her presence for
10 years has my poor wife still in mourning so we make sure to try to sleep
as needed. Apologies to those awaiting me finishing the Mexican List.

73 KAZ

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 8:07 PM Gary DeBock  wrote:

> Congratulations on the reception of 585-7RN in Michigan, Tim-- that's
> pretty phenomenal DX for such a great distance.
>
> 585-7RN was hitting S9 peaks at the Rockwork cliff two months ago, so it's
> understandable how it could propagate well inland. But Michigan seems to be
> in an entirely different propagation league. Awesome!
>
> Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA)
>
> > On October 23, 2018 at 5:45 PM Tim Tromp  kilok...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> >
> > 585 7RN, finally good enough to claim this morning with clear ABC
> Majestic
> > Fanfare at 12:00 UTC TOH and the followed by DU talk under domestic
> > splatter. New log and distance record for me at 9,770 miles (15,723
> km).
> >
> > 576 2RN Sydney also had clear pips and Majestic Fanfare at 12:00 UTC
> TOH,
> > but not much else.
> >
> > 612 had 4QR Brisbane was at a nice level at 12:00 TOH and good for
> at least
> > 10 minutes past local sunrise (12:10 UTC), much of the talk was
> > intelligible, which was nice for a change!
> >
> > Bits of DU audio also noted on 594, 702 & 738 but not as good as the
> two
> > above. 558 also had some weak audio there but was destroyed by WIND..
> >
> > 73,
> > Tim Tromp
> > West Michigan
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Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

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Here's a little comparison of DKAZ'es from 100' to 200'.


LENGTH  .5 MHZ GAIN 1.5 MHZ GAIN.5 MHZ F/B  1.5 MHZ F/B
100 -61.1   -34.6   35.147.3
120 -58 -31.8   42  32.5
140 -55.4   -29.5   37.430.7
160 -53.2   -27.5   39.426.5
180 -51.2   -26.8   44.822.2
200 -49.5   -24.2   45.219.1


The formatting is a little messed up when pasting data from Excel.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Don Moman VE6JY 

Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:02 PM
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http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf   is updated and still
SOME FIELD INFORMATION ON THE DOUBLE DELTA (D KAZ) 
ANTENNA<http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf>
www.durenberger.com
The D‐Kaz antenna for MW (and well above) is a Double‐Delta variant, as seen 
below. The “self‐impedance” of the D‐Kaz is around 1000 ohms at corners “A” and 
“B.” The null‐pot at 2000 ohms gives good range.



shows the 140 foot version.  I don't see anything more recent I wish I
had. Is there a link?  I just built 4 of them last year, one for each major
direction. I finally have them all hooked up for this season. With the low
wire they are a great moose catcher!  I could have easily made them higher
but I was just following the instructions. I could have made them larger as
I have plenty of room. Now not so easy...
Don
VE6JY


On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 3:36 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> As do we all I think. The 140 foot version was abandoned over 5 years ago
> as it wasn't cutting it at th low end.
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

Nick -


Your question about approaching the noise floor is why I included the -53 dBi. 
With that low a signal level, I think there is a signal strength issue. Even 
with a beefy preamp (20 dB or so), it's still a bit low.


And to throw in an empirical check, last week's DKAZ had almost no audible 
signal on 531 kH.


As for F/B issues, as Kaz has said the 140' version has no real degradation of 
F/B at the top of the band. The 160' version has a some degradation. I don't 
remember the numbers so will have AutoEZ deliver an analysis.





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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

The DKaz does indeed deliver less signal to the receiver at the low
end of the band.But does that mean that the DX signals approach
the noise floor of the receiver with the 140 foot version?  Or are
there also front to back issues that arise at well?

Thanks.

Nick





At 21:36 2018-10-23, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>As do we all I think. The 140 foot version was abandoned over 5
>years ago as it wasn't cutting it at th low end.
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on behalf of Mark
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>Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag
>
>Bill uses a "big" D-Kaz (160 ft)
>
>
>Cheers!
>
>Mark Durenberger
>
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Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

As do we all I think. The 140 foot version was abandoned over 5 years ago as it 
wasn't cutting it at th low end.


Chuck



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Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

Bill uses a "big" D-Kaz (160 ft)


Cheers!

Mark Durenberger

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Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

Kaz -


You were at the Yachats DXpedition in 2013 where I believe everyone felt the 20 
x 140 DKAZ was somewhat deaf on the bottom end.

A recent 20 x 160 DKAZ yielded SDR files that one DXer is not even scanning 
below 700 kHz and I am not scanning below 800 kHz.

A DKAZ at Newfoundland last year produced more or less the same picture as the 
recent DKAZ.


All of this is substantiated by Perseus spectrums and theory which says there 
is a 27



From: IRCA  on behalf of Neil Kazaross 

Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:37 AM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

A major advantage of the DKAZ is the significantly wider back null so that
more back end QRM is taken out or greatly reduced. Of course, the more
narrow beamwidth is very useful on crowded freqs and one reason I am able
to catch 2nd tier stations from west coast states here in IL.

Yeah, the don't have a ton of signal pickup at the low end, but logging 2CR
549 here in IL on Oct. 1 using only a 120 ft DKAZ should indicate a usable
antenna. Of course I amplify with the FLG100LN. Maybe sometime some DXer
with enough land will compare a 200ft+ DKAZ on the low end vs a more
typical size.

The problem with going huge is that high end F/B starts to suffer and the
beam also becomes wider in the upper part of the band. The DKAZ is a
compromise antenna and really not intended to cover a 3:1 bandwidth as well
as some of us would like. But the patterns and the DX I can log using it
put the single loop genre of antennas to shame at least here in IL.

Again I will stress amplification for any of the guys here considering
trying to squeeze in a smaller DKAZ.  73 KAZ

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:49 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> So I think we think alike - the DKAZ is narrower (front and back) than a
> flag.
>
> A DKAZ is much more of a pain to put up, but in the end size pays off for
> those that appreciate the better antenna. (except at the bottom of the band)
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch <
> n...@ieee.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:19 PM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag
>
> Try this, Chuck (or anyone else who is having problems):
>
>
> http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/Antenna%20alternatives_stub-re-FlagDKaz.pdf
>
> As the file name says, it's just the relevant
> slides of the presentation.   Pages 10, 11 and 12
> are repeated pages with more detail, just like
> the presentation, but makes for strange reading.
>
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
> At 01:47 2018-10-23, Chuck Hutton wrote:
> >Nick:
> >
> >
> >I tried to open the file with PowerPoint 2017
> >but got a string of error messages about missing dll's.
> >
> >
> >Any chance of a 1 paragraph summary? (Sorry to sound like management)
> >
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: IRCA  on
> >behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 
> >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 5:39 PM
> >To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; C B
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag
> >
> >
> >
> >Not wishing to blow the personal horn, but please check out:
> >
> >http://durenberger.com/documents/NHP2016.pptx
> >The DXFishbarrel -
> >durenberger.com<http://durenberger.com/documents/NHP2016.pptx>
> >durenberger.com
> >Antenna Alternatives -- really? Is a
> >non-resonant terminated loop an alternative to a
> >DKaz? All non-resonant terminated loops give
> >much the same depth of nulls to stations off the back end of the antenna..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >starting at slide 34, for a comparison of the
> >DKaz with a Flag at Grayland. (presentation from the 2016 IRCA convention)
> >
> >Unless you have Quicktime on the computer you're
> >using, you may not be able to play slide 37, but
> >it's not radically important to the overall comparison.
> >
> >best wishes,
> >
> >Nick
> >
> >
> > >Begging pardon if I’m speaking out of turn - my
> > >FLAGS (45 x 27’) with WELLBROOK FLG100 heads have plenty of performance
> -
> > >
> > >One problem with “bigger” in the urban
> > >environment is — you’re amplifying noise along with siignals.
> > >
> > >I wonder what is gained with a KAZ or DKAZ on city lots...
> >
> >Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
> >At 23:14 2018-10-22, R. Colin Newell wrote:
> >
> > >Begging pardon if I’m speaking out of turn - my
> > >FLAGS (45 x 2

Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

That's exactly why my coastal antennas are always 270 degrees.  That places 
Seatt;e and Portland at about 45 degrees off the back and therefore both get a 
decent null.


The narrower beam of the DKAZ can also help at coastal locations. In 
Newfoundland, it is nice  to not hear Spain well and allow Africans to sneak 
through. At Grayland, I really don't care much about hearing DU's in October as 
they are way better in July/August.


Chuck




From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:42 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

For the coastal DXer, I think that the takeaway
from the presentation was that the really
important thing is not so much the response from
the two quadrants facing out over the ocean, but
rather, the two quadrants facing the domestic interference.

The DKaz has a narrower beam, but often the MW
DXer wants to hear whatever the conditions
deliver, whether it be New Zealand or Siberia, so
a narrow beam is not always an advantage.   But
ideally, don't you really want zero signal from
the two quadrants facing inland?  The DX is out
there, but in a realistic situation, often it is
hard to (impossible?) to read due to domestic splatter.

Where the DKaz really shines then is in those two
quadrants facing inland.  It delivers less signal
from those two quadrants than the Flag does, so the DX is more readable.

For an inland DXer, the narrower beam will be
more an advantage, because it will lessen
interference in the forward direction,  but
probably it is still better to place its back
side to minimize the overall interference level,
because the beam width is still wide enough to
inhale a fair bit of DX, .  Craig's 260 degree
proposed direction should be ideal for down
under, and still hear Japan pretty well with that
100 degree beam width.  Hopefully, it
incidentally nulls a lot of domestic interference as well.


Nick


At 03:49 2018-10-23, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>So I think we think alike - the DKAZ is narrower (front and back) than a flag.
>
>A DKAZ is much more of a pain to put up, but in
>the end size pays off for those that appreciate
>the better antenna. (except at the bottom of the band)
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on
>behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 
>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:19 PM
>To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag
>
>Try this, Chuck (or anyone else who is having problems):
>
>http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/Antenna%20alternatives_stub-re-FlagDKaz.pdf
>
>As the file name says, it's just the relevant
>slides of the presentation.   Pages 10, 11 and 12
>are repeated pages with more detail, just like
>the presentation, but makes for strange reading.
>
>
>
>
>Nick
>
>
>At 01:47 2018-10-23, Chuck Hutton wrote:
> >Nick:
> >
> >
> >I tried to open the file with PowerPoint 2017
> >but got a string of error messages about missing dll's.
> >
> >
> >Any chance of a 1 paragraph summary? (Sorry to sound like management)
> >
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: IRCA  on
> >behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 
> >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 5:39 PM
> >To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; C B
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag
> >
> >
> >
> >Not wishing to blow the personal horn, but please check out:
> >
> >http://durenberger.com/documents/NHP2016.pptx
> >The DXFishbarrel -
> >durenberger.com<http://durenberger.com/documents/NHP2016.pptx>
> >durenberger.com
> >Antenna Alternatives -- really? Is a
> >non-resonant terminated loop an alternative to a
> >DKaz? All non-resonant terminated loops give
> >much the same depth of nulls to stations off the back end of the antenna..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >starting at slide 34, for a comparison of the
> >DKaz with a Flag at Grayland. (presentation from the 2016 IRCA convention)
> >
> >Unless you have Quicktime on the computer you're
> >using, you may not be able to play slide 37, but
> >it's not radically important to the overall comparison.
> >
> >best wishes,
> >
> >Nick
> >
> >
> > >Begging pardon if I’m speaking out of turn - my
> > >FLAGS (45 x 27’) with WELLBROOK FLG100 heads have plenty of performance -
> > >
> > >One problem with “bigger” in the urban
> > >environment is — you’re amplifying noise along with siignals.
> > >
> > >I wonder what is gained with a KAZ or DKAZ on city lots.

Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

So I think we think alike - the DKAZ is narrower (front and back) than a flag.

A DKAZ is much more of a pain to put up, but in the end size pays off for those 
that appreciate the better antenna. (except at the bottom of the band)


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 8:19 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

Try this, Chuck (or anyone else who is having problems):

http://www3.telus.net/public/shallpat/4all/Antenna%20alternatives_stub-re-FlagDKaz.pdf

As the file name says, it's just the relevant
slides of the presentation.   Pages 10, 11 and 12
are repeated pages with more detail, just like
the presentation, but makes for strange reading.




Nick


At 01:47 2018-10-23, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>Nick:
>
>
>I tried to open the file with PowerPoint 2017
>but got a string of error messages about missing dll's.
>
>
>Any chance of a 1 paragraph summary? (Sorry to sound like management)
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on
>behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 
>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 5:39 PM
>To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; C B
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag
>
>
>
>Not wishing to blow the personal horn, but please check out:
>
>http://durenberger.com/documents/NHP2016.pptx
>The DXFishbarrel -
>durenberger.com<http://durenberger.com/documents/NHP2016.pptx>
>durenberger.com
>Antenna Alternatives -- really? Is a
>non-resonant terminated loop an alternative to a
>DKaz? All non-resonant terminated loops give
>much the same depth of nulls to stations off the back end of the antenna.
>
>
>
>
>starting at slide 34, for a comparison of the
>DKaz with a Flag at Grayland. (presentation from the 2016 IRCA convention)
>
>Unless you have Quicktime on the computer you're
>using, you may not be able to play slide 37, but
>it's not radically important to the overall comparison.
>
>best wishes,
>
>Nick
>
>
> >Begging pardon if I’m speaking out of turn - my
> >FLAGS (45 x 27’) with WELLBROOK FLG100 heads have plenty of performance -
> >
> >One problem with “bigger” in the urban
> >environment is — you’re amplifying noise along with siignals.
> >
> >I wonder what is gained with a KAZ or DKAZ on city lots...
>
>Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
>At 23:14 2018-10-22, R. Colin Newell wrote:
>
> >Begging pardon if I’m speaking out of turn - my
> >FLAGS (45 x 27’) with WELLBROOK FLG100 heads have plenty of performance -
> >
> >One problem with “bigger” in the urban
> >environment is — you’re amplifying noise along with siignals.
> >
> >I wonder what is gained with a KAZ or DKAZ on city lots...
> >
> >Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
>
>  > On Oct 22, 2018, at 3:45 PM, C B  wrote:
>  >
>  > Kaz,
>  > Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. I am
>trying to think outside of the box and see if I
>might be able to cram a 100 to 112 ft. DKAZ into
>the southern boundary of my city residential lot.
>Any longer and it would have to be anchored in
>the street. I doubt the city would appreciate that approach.
>  > 73,
>  >
>  >
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Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

Nick:


I tried to open the file with PowerPoint 2017 but got a string of error 
messages about missing dll's.


Any chance of a 1 paragraph summary? (Sorry to sound like management)


Chuck





From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 5:39 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; C B
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag



Not wishing to blow the personal horn, but please check out:

http://durenberger.com/documents/NHP2016.pptx
The DXFishbarrel - 
durenberger.com
durenberger.com
Antenna Alternatives -- really? Is a non-resonant terminated loop an 
alternative to a DKaz? All non-resonant terminated loops give much the same 
depth of nulls to stations off the back end of the antenna.




starting at slide 34, for a comparison of the
DKaz with a Flag at Grayland. (presentation from the 2016 IRCA convention)

Unless you have Quicktime on the computer you're
using, you may not be able to play slide 37, but
it's not radically important to the overall comparison.

best wishes,

Nick


>Begging pardon if I’m speaking out of turn - my
>FLAGS (45 x 27’) with WELLBROOK FLG100 heads have plenty of performance -
>
>One problem with “bigger” in the urban
>environment is — you’re amplifying noise along with siignals.
>
>I wonder what is gained with a KAZ or DKAZ on city lots...

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
At 23:14 2018-10-22, R. Colin Newell wrote:

>Begging pardon if I’m speaking out of turn - my
>FLAGS (45 x 27’) with WELLBROOK FLG100 heads have plenty of performance -
>
>One problem with “bigger” in the urban
>environment is — you’re amplifying noise along with siignals.
>
>I wonder what is gained with a KAZ or DKAZ on city lots...
>
>Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

 > On Oct 22, 2018, at 3:45 PM, C B  wrote:
 >
 > Kaz,
 > Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. I am
trying to think outside of the box and see if I
might be able to cram a 100 to 112 ft. DKAZ into
the southern boundary of my city residential lot.
Any longer and it would have to be anchored in
the street. I doubt the city would appreciate that approach.
 > 73,
 >
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Re: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

[Chuck Hutton]

One area where a flag can't compete with a DKAZ is that the main beam of a DKAZ 
is quite a bit narrower than for a corner fed loop. 3 dB bandwidth is about 150 
degrees for a "flag" and 100 degrees for a DKAZ.


What factors are you lumping into "performance" F/B? F/S? Beanwidth? Gain?


Is it correct that your flag is really a corner fed loop of 27H x 45W?


Whatever the details, a decent sized corner fed loop like yours is a good 
antenna. It actually outperforms a 20 x160 DKAZ in the bottom third of the band 
in terms of gain.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of R. Colin Newell 

Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 4:14 PM
To: C B
Cc: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: [IRCA] KAZ versus Pennant/Flag

Begging pardon if I’m speaking out of turn - my FLAGS (45 x 27’) with WELLBROOK 
FLG100 heads have plenty of performance -

One problem with “bigger” in the urban environment is — you’re amplifying noise 
along with signals.

I wonder what is gained with a KAZ or DKAZ on city lots...

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Oct 22, 2018, at 3:45 PM, C B  wrote:
>
> Kaz,
> Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. I am trying to think outside of the 
> box and see if I might be able to cram a 100 to 112 ft. DKAZ into the 
> southern boundary of my city residential lot. Any longer and it would have to 
> be anchored in the street. I doubt the city would appreciate that approach.
> 73,
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] Antenna switches for automated spectrum recording

[Chuck Hutton]

I think I mentioned that my module is a SainSmart whose family of relay cards 
is pretty big.


A simple way to run scheduled events is via the Windows Scheduler. No 
programming necessary. And fortunately SainSmart supports command line 
parameters when you invoke the program.


So in principle you could have an 8 channel antenna switcher on a scheduled 
basis for $11.53.


Someday I'll do it, when my intercontinental network of retirement homes 
becomes available.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 3:11 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Antenna switches for automated spectrum recording

I've used a USB controlled relay board to switch two antennas to one
SDR remotely, Mark:

http://www.tinyosshop.com/index.php?route=product/product=141_142_id=630

(this outfit has a lot of neat toys)

However, if you wanted timed switching, you'd need to write your own
routine (perhaps)   I didn't look too far, as I had an immediate
problem that needed solving, controlling a remote receiver/computer
via Remote Desktop (Teamviewer is probably an easier alternative),
and switching antennas at a remote site.   But, I was the "timer" as
far as running the receiver and switching the antennas.

But, it should be doable, and could be done.   Not by me however; sorry.

best wishes,

Nick



At 18:56 2018-10-18, Mark Pettifor wrote:
>Given the following criteria:
>
>1. Two or more antennas
>2. Spectrum recordings are set up for two or more times of the day
>(sunrise and sunset, for example)
>
>Are there antenna switches out there that can be switched
>programmatically from my PC at certain times of the day?
>
>The goal is to be able to program spectrum IQ (or even single
>frequency IQ or audio) recordings at time T using antenna X.
>
>Or at the least, the goal would be to be able to remote in to my PC
>and run a program that would allow me to (a) select which antenna is
>active, and then (b) start a recording. I can already do (b), but
>the recording will be using whatever antenna happens to be selected
>on the mechanical switch (and it's usually the wrong one).
>
>Mark Pettifor
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Re: [IRCA] Antenna switches for automated spectrum recording

[Chuck Hutton]

Mark -


You can do this 2 ways that I can think of.


First is a board with relays and an interface to a PC. These are cheap (as low 
as $15) and readily available. However, you'll need to wire up its terminals to 
connectors suitable for your antennas. These can be found easily on Amazon and 
eBay.


Second is a remote antenna controller. DX Engineering carries sone, although I 
know nothing about them. A Google for remote antenna switch will get you 
bunches of hits. They can be expensive a la DX Engineering.


Chuck



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Subject: [IRCA] Antenna switches for automated spectrum recording

Given the following criteria:

1. Two or more antennas
2. Spectrum recordings are set up for two or more times of the day
(sunrise and sunset, for example)

Are there antenna switches out there that can be switched
programmatically from my PC at certain times of the day?

The goal is to be able to program spectrum IQ (or even single frequency
IQ or audio) recordings at time T using antenna X.

Or at the least, the goal would be to be able to remote in to my PC and
run a program that would allow me to (a) select which antenna is active,
and then (b) start a recording. I can already do (b), but the recording
will be using whatever antenna happens to be selected on the mechanical
switch (and it's usually the wrong one).

Mark Pettifor
Goshen, IN
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Re: [IRCA] [nrc-am] XHDATA D-808-- The Summer Travel "Smoke Test"

[Chuck Hutton]

I will mention again that USPS does allow certain lithium batteries to be 
shipped.

USPS Publication 52 specifically deals with Lithium batteries.

It allows batteries to be shipped if they are installed in equipment.

It also allows batteries to be shipped depending on the power capability.

The battery in question (the standard 18650( would seem to qualify. To answer 
the question about availability. It is a widely used standard battery available 
from a zillion places.


Chuck






> On Jul 29, 2018, at 8:09 PM, Gary DeBock  wrote:
>
> Hi Again Rich,
>
> <<< I have heard that the lithium battery can't be shipped to the USA & is 
> tough to obtain as well.
> Does anyone know if this is the case? >>>
>
> The eBay seller "harelan.ecommerce" (offering the D-808 at the link below) 
> does include the 3.7v lithium-ion battery in the packages that he ships to 
> the USA (via Israel), despite any USPS regulations to the contrary. I have 
> received five D-808 packages from him, and all of them included the 3.7v 
> XHDATA lithium-ion battery.
>
> Please note that he ships the battery inside the radio with a paper tab 
> between the positive terminal and the radio's connector, however, so you will 
> need to remove this paper tab before you can charge the battery. He also 
> includes a USB connector cord to charge the radio from a computer, similar to 
> how you charge a cell phone. If you have an AC adapter plug with a slot for a 
> USB cable, you can also charge the battery via an AC outlet. It takes about 
> five hours for the battery to get a full charge this way. As reported 
> previously, the Lithium Ion battery has exceptional run time, providing a lot 
> of DXing hours on a single charge.
>
> 73, Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA)
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, October 17th, 2018

[Chuck Hutton]

Les -


Definitely don't give up. In the 70's I did a DXpedition to near the Georgia - 
Alabama line and had a readable signal from 3LO - 774.


Chuck



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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, October 17th, 2018

Tim,

Wow! Fantastic catch! Honestly, I mainly ignore posts that have TP and TA in 
the subject line. Assuming that such catches are all but impossible from 
land-locked Alabama. Your post gives me hope!


73,

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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:44 AM, Tim Tromp  wrote:
>
> Local sunrise is now corresponding to 12:00 UTC top of hour.  During these
> times, when all the right circumstances prevail, we can sometimes catch the
> majestic fanfare at the top of the hour from the ABC outlets down under,
> from the Midwest.  All the planets lined up this morning:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItOnHL5ZoZE
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVF.MdSoQ0KYAMiJOmvEfYDemQ=Api]

702 kHz 2BL ABC Radio Sydney, Australia MW DX Heard in Michigan at 
sunrise
www.youtube.com
The timing of the grayline enhancement worked out perfectly this morning to 
capture ABC Radio's fanfare on 702 kHz at 12:00 UTC top of hour (8am EST local 
time here). Heard from West Michigan on the Perseus SDR and phased BOG array 
roughly pointing towards the southwest.



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Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 10-10

[Chuck Hutton]

I didn't quite follow this.


(1) A receiver to the east was mentioned, but the example is a receiver to the 
west.

(2) which sunset is being referred to? Rx or tx?


And to toss in my opinion (sorry, no scientific facts),   a previous post 
mentioned that enhancement at the receiver;s local sunbrise can be zero, some 
or a lot. True, but (assuming there are not propagation issues interfering with 
reception) I very rarely see little or no enhancement at LSR. I count on a 
healthy rise in signals. That's 100% based on coastal experience.


Chuck







From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:46 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 10-10

Hi Chris,

Gary's answer is quite correct, and similar boosts occur around
sunset when the receiver is to the east of a transmitter on the other
side of the ocean.   Japanese DXers have heard Argentina on 1030
around Japanese sunset for example, and I'm sure Mark Connelly and
others can relate large amounts of DX heard in the eastern USA and
Canada in that situation.



best wishes,

Nick


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Re: [IRCA] Saturdays highlights - TP DX in Seattle

[Chuck Hutton]

In my spectrogram, it's not a bunch of discreet tones but rather a "smeared" 
single tone as would be seen with a slightly unstable carrier. It looks like 
the carrier suffers from jitter.


I'd attach a picture of the spectrogram but then my post would get rejected..


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 2:18 PM
To: Gary DeBock; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Saturdays highlights - TP DX in Seattle

There are a mess of tones around 40 Hertz on your audio recording
Gary, plus another around 45Hz.   Interesting that they should
correspond to the offset of N. Korea on that channel.The Korean
carrier itself may not be very cleanbut for the listener, it's
not easy to determine what of a hum is due to offset  from the
Chinese (or ?) on the same channel and what is due to audio that the
station is broadcasting.

I figured however that when your Korean audio was strongest, the hum
was weakest, which would seem to indicate that the hum wasn't part of
the broadcast.

best wishes,

Nick





At 20:22 2018-10-07, Gary DeBock wrote:
>Hmm, interesting, Nick.
>
>It seems like our Japanese friends also made some remarks about the
>buzzing hum of 621-VOK, though-- or maybe it was Chris Kadlec?
>
>Gary
>>On October 7, 2018 at 10:46 AM Nick Hall-Patch
>><n...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Thanks Gary,
>>
>>I think the buzz might actually be the 40Hz "hum" from the offset in
>>both our cases, as your "buzz" only shows up as the audio
>>weakens. So, perhaps not part of the distinctive programming, hi.
>>
>>best wishes,
>>
>>Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>At 17:17 2018-10-07, Gary DeBock wrote:
>> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> >
>> >Nick and Bruce,
>> >
>> ><<< >621 UNID, dreamy vocal song 1356 good but soon faded, possibly DPRK
>>>If you still have the recording Bruce, could you check the frequency
offset? The wall to wall ballads seemed to be pretty much spot on
the channel here, though there was also a carrier ~40Hz low, which
seems to be where DPRK resides. But if I set the BFO to demodulate a
signal 40Hz low, I got a buzz on the music, not a better signal. >>>
>> >The 621-VoK transmitter (used for NK's Japanese service) has a
>> >notorious buzz on its signal. This was its degraded audio last
>> >December in Kona, Hawaii, most obvious around the 45 second
>> >point
>> https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/rhfksf381csgtohluxt3e97tjf79fshm
>> >
>> >Gary
>> >
>> >
>> >
On October 7, 2018 at 8:10 AM Nick Hall-Patch
<n...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
At 06:22 2018-10-07, Bruce Portzer wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
Today's report will be very abbreviated, focusing on the really good
 >stuff. I was gone all day and by the time I got home, TA's were
 >starting to come in for the first time this season. So I had
 >limited time for listening to the SDR recording of what was
 >obviously an impressive morning. Anyway, there's probably more to
 >be reported if I can find the time to dig through the files.
 >
 >621 UNID, dreamy vocal song 1356 good but soon faded, possibly DPRK
>>> >
If you still have the recording Bruce, could you check the frequency
offset? The wall to wall ballads seemed to be pretty much spot on
the channel here, though there was also a carrier ~40Hz low, which
seems to be where DPRK resides. But if I set the BFO to demodulate a
signal 40Hz low, I got a buzz on the music, not a better signal.
The ballads were back this morning also (a much more sedate morning,
whew), but, whoever it is, doesn't seem big on talk.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
675 VIETNAM, 1359 woman in Vietnamese, then chime IS and pips at
ToH (both matching what was heard at 0500 on the Vietnam Kiwisdr
receiver). After the pips there was rousing march music. The ID, if
any, was tooweak to copy, but everything else matches perfectly
I'll have to dig more deeply on that one, as I was hoping for
Vietnam, but couldn't hear the chimes at first listen.
best wishes,
Nick
>>> >
Nick Hall-Patch
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Re: [IRCA] Saturdays highlights - TP DX in Seattle

[Chuck Hutton]

Parallels are my main tool for TP / DU DX.

It doesn't seem so popular with others.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 1:54 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Saturdays highlights - TP DX in Seattle

Excellent call Chuck.   Thank you!

In Victoria, 873 was pretty much a conflict between N. Korea and
Japan, and 1341 shared the lack of excitement common throughout most
of the upper band, but

900...definite parallel with 621 from 1358 to 1404UT, with music and
talk, and the pips lining up nicely.  Actual ID, perhaps not so easy.

Amazing.   Both the strength on 621 and the fact that Heilongjiang
RGD Xinwen Guangbo was heard at all on 900 kHz.

Thanks again.

Thanks also to Bruce Portzer for pointing me to the weak Vietnam
chimes on 675, even though NHK1 was my dominant, and also to hunt
more carefully for the Chinese pips on 810, in this case, under KGO.

That was the morning that was, for sure.


Nick



At 19:14 2018-10-07, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>Anbody check for parallels on 873, 900, 1341 etc?
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on behalf of Bruce
>Portzer 
>Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 9:48 AM
>To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] Saturdays highlights - TP DX in Seattle
>
>I listened to 621 again this morning.   There are two carriers, the
>dominant one is a couple Hz high, the weaker is on about 620.94.
>Listening again, the music sounds more like what you'd hear on a
>Chinese, and not DPRK.  So this one is probably China.
>
>Bruce
>
>On 10/7/2018 08:10, Nick Hall-Patch wrote:
> >
> >
> > At 06:22 2018-10-07, Bruce Portzer wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Today's report will be very abbreviated, focusing on the really good
> >> stuff.  I was gone all day and by the time I got home, TA's were
> >> starting to come in for the first time this season.  So I had limited
> >> time for listening to the SDR recording of what was obviously an
> >> impressive morning. Anyway, there's probably more to be reported if I
> >> can find the time to dig through the files.
> >>
> >> 621UNID, dreamy vocal song 1356 good but soon faded, possibly DPRK
> >
> >
> > If you still have the recording Bruce, could you check the frequency
> > offset?   The wall to wall ballads seemed to be pretty much spot on
> > the channel here, though there was also a carrier ~40Hz low, which
> > seems to be where DPRK resides.  But if I set the BFO to demodulate a
> > signal 40Hz low, I got a buzz on the music, not a better signal.
> >
> > The ballads were back this morning also (a much more sedate morning,
> > whew), but, whoever it is, doesn't seem big on talk.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 675VIETNAM, 1359 woman in Vietnamese, then chime IS and pips at
> > ToH (both matching what was heard at 0500 on the Vietnam Kiwisdr
> > receiver).  After the pips there was rousing march music. The ID, if
> > any, was tooweak to copy, but everything else matches perfectly
> >
> > I'll have to dig more deeply on that one, as I was hoping for Vietnam,
> > but couldn't hear the chimes at first listen.
> >
> > best wishes,
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > Nick Hall-Patch
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> > Canada
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Re: [IRCA] Saturdays highlights - TP DX in Seattle

[Chuck Hutton]

Anbody check for parallels on 873, 900, 1341 etc?


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Bruce Portzer 

Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 9:48 AM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Saturdays highlights - TP DX in Seattle

I listened to 621 again this morning.   There are two carriers, the
dominant one is a couple Hz high, the weaker is on about 620.94.
Listening again, the music sounds more like what you'd hear on a
Chinese, and not DPRK.  So this one is probably China.

Bruce

On 10/7/2018 08:10, Nick Hall-Patch wrote:
>
>
> At 06:22 2018-10-07, Bruce Portzer wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> Today's report will be very abbreviated, focusing on the really good
>> stuff.  I was gone all day and by the time I got home, TA's were
>> starting to come in for the first time this season.  So I had limited
>> time for listening to the SDR recording of what was obviously an
>> impressive morning. Anyway, there's probably more to be reported if I
>> can find the time to dig through the files.
>>
>> 621UNID, dreamy vocal song 1356 good but soon faded, possibly DPRK
>
>
> If you still have the recording Bruce, could you check the frequency
> offset?   The wall to wall ballads seemed to be pretty much spot on
> the channel here, though there was also a carrier ~40Hz low, which
> seems to be where DPRK resides.  But if I set the BFO to demodulate a
> signal 40Hz low, I got a buzz on the music, not a better signal.
>
> The ballads were back this morning also (a much more sedate morning,
> whew), but, whoever it is, doesn't seem big on talk.
>
>
>
>
>
> 675VIETNAM, 1359 woman in Vietnamese, then chime IS and pips at
> ToH (both matching what was heard at 0500 on the Vietnam Kiwisdr
> receiver).  After the pips there was rousing march music. The ID, if
> any, was tooweak to copy, but everything else matches perfectly
>
> I'll have to dig more deeply on that one, as I was hoping for Vietnam,
> but couldn't hear the chimes at first listen.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] WWV and WWVH to stick around for just a little bit longer

[Chuck Hutton]

The military and aeronautical sectors believe GOS is reliable. It is the 
primary basis of navigation systems for both.

Assuming you live in a covered area, it's weakness is that it can be jammed but 
I suppose hobbyists don'r have to worry about that.

Chuck

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Sorry — not always reliable Paul.

Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. 
>  wrote:
>
> That’s what GPS, satellite and other more modern technology is for..
>
> Paul
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:33 PM R. Colin Newell 
> wrote:
>
>> Somewhat off the mark Paul- thousands of fishermen, scientists, jewelers,
>> yes hams, soldiers, etc...
>>
>> I’m sure the list is longer than you think.
>>
>> Colin Newell - Victoria - B.C. CANADA -
>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. <
>> walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can argue for possibly keeping WWVB for the clocks, watches and stuff...
>>> but it often doesnt work in big cities with lots of noise. WWV and WWVH
>>> serve no real purpose except a bunch of nostalgia and some propagation
>>> checks for DX'ers. If WWV and WWVH goes.. and it saves some money..
>>> .several million, I won't be sad.
>>>
>>> Paul

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Re: [IRCA] CO TP Report 9/27/18 (Drake vs Elad)

[Chuck Hutton]

PIN diodes for the AM BCB? I thought there were no PIN diodes whose range 
extended down that far due to carrier lifetime.

What have they done to overcome that?


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of STEVE 

Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] CO TP Report 9/27/18 (Drake vs Elad)

Drake uses PIN diodes in the front end switched band filters of the R8
series (and at least the SW8); those diodes deteriorate over time,
significantly reducing sensitivity. Unless you had those diodes replaced
at your service it's likely that's why your Drake is less sensitive than
the Elad.

Steve

On 9/27/2018 9:34 AM, C B via IRCA wrote:
> An OK morning for TPs in CO. I did a preliminary comparison between my Elad 
> FDM-S2 and the Drake R8A. As Bogey said "This could be the beginning of a 
> beautiful friendship". I started with comparing the two JJ powerhouses, JOUB 
> and JOIB. The Drake had weak, barely discernable audio with both the ALA 
> 1530ln and the NW Corner-Fed loop. The Elad produced fair to good audio 
> readily understandable to a JJ speaker. I did not expect the difference to be 
> so evident. I had my R8A serviced a couple of years ago by a former Drake 
> tech, so while a bit long in the tooth, it's working fine. More to come.
> This morning's results:
> 594 JOAK w/male in JJ weak (w/Elad, just a het w/Drake)
> 747 JOIB w/male in JJ good (w/Elad, weaker w/Drake)
> 774 JOUB w/male in JJ good (w/Elad, weaker w/Drake)
> 828 JOBB w/ weak audio (w/Elad, threshold audio w/Drake)
> A decent assortment of hets.
> 73 and Best of DX,
> Craig BarnesWheat Ridge, CO
> Elad FDM-S2, Drake R8A, ALA 1530ln, NW Corner-Fed loop, Quantum Phaser
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Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

[Chuck Hutton]

Perhaps I was not very clear.

The Grayland DXpeditions were "community"events where we ate together, did show 
and tells and did a few projects. A group thing.

Your trips are great, but they have a different purpose.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Gary DeBock 

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 9:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

There still seems to be a lot of interest in ocean coast DXing among the local 
group, although not necessarily at Grayland. We had 5 DXers at the Rockwork 
cliff last month, and Walt and Guy have their favorite DXing spots in Masset, 
and on the Oregon coast. Exotic ocean beaches in the forward Pacific areas have 
even come into play recently with the "Frequent Flyer" FSL's, as Craig and I 
made multiple trips to Hawaii, and the Cook Islands. The future has never 
looked more interesting!

Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA)




> On September 23, 2018 at 8:47 PM Chuck Hutton  wrote:
>
>
> Yes, there has been no interest this past decade when the usual fall 
> DXpedition to Grayland was announced.
>
> Not sure why only a few of us show up.
>
> We do have other choices than the defunct Grayland Motel: Casa Sea Esta in 
> Grayland and the Low Tide Motel in Copalis.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Volodya S 
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> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 8:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?
>
> 
>
>   The big days of the west coast DXpeditions seem to be over, unfortunately, 
> with the demise of the Grayland
> Motel, and more likely because we're all getting that much older!  Thanks for 
> the memories!   73,  Walt Salmaniw
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Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

[Chuck Hutton]

Yes, there has been no interest this past decade when the usual fall DXpedition 
to Grayland was announced.

Not sure why only a few of us show up.

We do have other choices than the defunct Grayland Motel: Casa Sea Esta in 
Grayland and the Low Tide Motel in Copalis.


Chuck



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  The big days of the west coast DXpeditions seem to be over, unfortunately, 
with the demise of the Grayland
Motel, and more likely because we're all getting that much older!  Thanks for 
the memories!   73,  Walt Salmaniw


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Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

[Chuck Hutton]

I need more editing capability than Total Recorder can give, as basically lets 
you trim a recording and adjust the volume.


I need to be able to:

- highpass filter to remove ;pw frequency rumble from channels

- notch out hets and RFI

- plot the spectrum to see if it is mis-shaped as is the case with most 
ultralight receivers. Equalization then helps.

- lowpass filter in case of a lot of high frequency splatter

- use a limiter to keep static crashes from being so annoying.


Audacity is free, does all the above and more, and is widely in use. Many DXers 
use it.


Chuck





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Re: [IRCA] Alberta TPs for 22 September 2018

[Chuck Hutton]

Perhaps but Sport (NZ) is my most regular DU.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Gary DeBock 

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 8:02 PM
To: n.pimbl...@gmail.com; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of 
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Alberta TPs for 22 September 2018

Hi Nigel,

Thanks for your detailed DU-DX report from Alberta.

<<< I was interested to note that Tim
included 693 on his DU carrier list this am, as I noted a strong carrier
there, on what is not a typical DU freq for me, and I'm pretty certain
it wasn't Japan this time, as there was absolutely no sign of anything
from that direction. >>>

Judging from your Australian results (and those of Tim) you both probably had a 
weak signal from 693-3NE, which is a major pest in the Cook Islands. It runs 
the Australia Overnight program during sunrise in the Cooks, saving its most 
powerful signal for whenever Bangladesh shows up.

Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA)

> On September 22, 2018 at 7:17 PM Nigel Pimblett  mailto:nige2...@telus.net > wrote:
>
>
> Once again no Asians at all today, but I'm not complaining at all,
> as it was an excellent DU morning. I was interested to note that Tim
> included 693 on his DU carrier list this am, as I noted a strong carrier
> there, on what is not a typical DU freq for me, and I'm pretty certain
> it wasn't Japan this time, as there was absolutely no sign of anything
> from that direction.
>
>
> 549 2CR Orange, AUSTRALIA Vocal by a woman, //594.
>
> 567 4JK Julia Creek, AUSTRALIA Music prior to the hour, ABC news theme
> at 1300.
>
> 576 2RN Sydney, AUSTRALIA Talk by a man at 1247, //585.
>
> 585 7RN Hobart, AUSTRALIA Talk by a man at 1246, //576
>
> 594 3WV Horsham, AUSTRALIA Vocal by a man during Saturday Night Country
> program at 1238.
>
> 612 4QR Brisbane, AUSTRALIA Man talking about a movie at 1237.
>
> 621 3RN Melbourne, AUSTRALIA Talk by man at 1258, but in heavy splatter
> today.
>
> 639 5CK Port Pirie, AUSTRALIA ABC news at 1233, //891.
>
> 648 unID ABC news noted at 1302. 2NU I would assume?
>
> 675 RNZ National Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Last portion of news by
> man at 1303, then weather
>
> 684 2KP Kempsey, AUSTRALIA Talk by man and woman, //594
>
> 702 2BL Sydney, AUSTRALIA Time pips, news fanfare at 1300.
>
> 738 2NR Grafton, AUSTRALIA ABC news fanfare at 1300
>
> 774 3LO Melbourne, AUSTRALIA Talk by a a man at 1249.
>
> 792 4RN Brisbane, AUSTRALIA Man talking about Australian sports at 1231.
>
> 828 3GI Sale, AUSTRALIA Weak, with traces of talk by a man at 1258, the
> ABC News fanfare at 1300.
>
> 837 4RK Rockhampton, AUSTRALIA Came out of the mud for a couple of
> minutes at 1306 with woman talking, //855.
>
> 855 4QO/4QB AUSTRALIA ABC news fanfare at 1300.
>
> 891 5AN Adelaide, AUSTRALIA ABC news fanfare at 1230
>
> 1008 4TAB Brisbane, AUSTRALIA Horse race commentary at 1300
>
> 1026 4MK Mackay, AUSTRALIA Bob Seger song at 1235, // webstream.
>
> 1107 unID Traces of man speaking at 1236
>
> 1116 4BC Brisbane, AUSTRALIA Ad for music festival in Tamworth, at 1251.
>
> 1296 unID Talk by a man, but vanished too quickly to check for //.
>
> 1332 4BU Bundaburg, AUSTRALIA "Band on the Run" noted at 1319, //website
>
> 1503 Radio Sport Wellington, NEW ZEALAND Two men in conversation
> about sports.
>
> 1548 4QD Emerald, AUSTRALIA Interview by a woman at 1320.
>
> 73,
>
> Nigel Pimblett
> Dunmore, AB
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Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

[Chuck Hutton]

Ditto for me. Below 900 kHz, I've never been anywhere near happy with a 160' 
DKAZ. That is evident with stand alone DKAZ'es and  In direct comparisons with 
Beverages, there was no contest at all.


I wonder if the PEI group has done a comparison?


Chuck





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Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Michigan DUs, Sept.22, 2018

Nick,

For low band DUs like this, my phased BOGs work best.  They are aimed
roughly towards the northeast.  Phasing of course allows me to reverse the
direction and steer them towards the southwest, which I do for these DU
catches.  The DKAZ, when switched to the North, shows no trace of these
signals during A/B comparisons.  When I switch the DKAZ to the South, I may
see just the faintest carrier (if anything at all).

The situation is usually different at the top of the band.  The North DKAZ
is generally better than the BOGs when pulling in 4QD on 1548 and the low
powered Aussies on the X-band during those rare times that propagation is
good here.  Point being, it's good to have multiple antenna options!

73,
-Tim


On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> I'm sure that you've mentioned this before Tim, but are you using a DKaz
> with a northerly bearing for these logs?   I think someone  mentioned that
> during the IRCA convention.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> At 01:05 2018-09-23, Tim Tromp wrote:
>
>> Not a bad morning to chase DUs from the Midwest.  576, 594, 612, 702, 738
>> all in with weak audio.  612, 702 & 738 all with Sydney Roosters rugby
>> match.  594 had a very faint trace of talk, and then a hint of music, but
>> much too weak to make a comfortable match against the ABC podcast.  3WV
>> seems very likely though.  As usual, signals peaked during LSR at 11:32
>> UTC
>> this morning and lasted until around 11:40 or so.  Strong carriers also
>> noted on 693, 729, and 747.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tim Tromp
>> West Michigan
>> Perseus SDR + Southwest phased BOGs
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Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

[Chuck Hutton]

>From the analog world, Colin speculates that SDR users lose DX time due to 
>"Windoze" etc.


I've not lost a minute of DX with SDR's in over a decade of SDR usage.


I'm sure endless "debate" (of that is the word) can occur, but I'm content to 
use actual results as a measurement.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of R. Colin Newell 

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 12:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

I love my analog DXING lifestyle...
In decades of radio listening, I’ve yet to reboot a radio, upgrade the memory 
in the radio, install WINDOZE on the radio, complain that the screen died on 
the radio, lose all my “settings” on the radio, nor have my radios ever been 
victimized by malware, ransomware or viruses...

Recording is for people who want to binge watch Game of Thrones...

Give me knobs, dials, switches, wires, tubes and transistors any day of the 
week.

Harrumph I say! Harrumph!

Colin Newell - Tongue in cheek - B.C. CANADA _ _ ... ... _ _

> On Sep 22, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Guy Atkins  wrote:
>
> My thoughts: ...
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Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

[Chuck Hutton]

Nick:


If you listen to  a second or two every minute or two, wouldn't you agree the 
needed time is a percenrt or two of what it was?

And many channels won't need attention at all.

And bad or normal nights quickly become obvious and the files don't need to be 
studied.


Nothing earth shattering here.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

If I'm using my ears, should I then be listening to one channel at a
time Chuck?   That seems a very lengthy way to check the morning's
files. Less expensive than buying a hundred R8's and pulsing through
audio recordings certainly.Perhaps I am being more obtuse than usual.

Nick



At 16:57 2018-09-22, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>Nick -
>
>
>I'm referring to the simple method of clicking on the Perseus
>playback bar to advance about a minute, then playback a few seconds
>and use your ears to tell you if anything is there.
>
>
>No science needed.
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick
>Hall-Patch 
>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 9:44 AM
>To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?
>
>As this thread was about methods of TP DXing, Chuck, could you please
>explain further the "advance a Perseus file a minute at a time"   Are
>you talking about getting the results from the 1024 point full band
>display?   If so, perhaps I need to talk to your optometrist, as I
>sure can't pick out carriers within 1 or 2 kHz on that display very
>easily.  If I expand the display out to just a portion of the MW
>band, yes, even my old eyes can do it, but then doesn't it take a
>long time to pick through the recording of the entire band?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Nick
>
>
>At 02:02 2018-09-21, Chuck Hutton wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >As for the Fish Barrel: what's the value to SDR owners? I'm not seeing it.
> >
> >
> >For doing checks to see if a channel is strong enough to bother
> >listening to, I'd suggest the Data File Analyzer in SDR Console.
> >That;s it's job. But I don't think that is much of a problem.
> >Advancing a perseus file playback a minute or so at a time will
> >catch most anything.
> >
> >
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >From: IRCA  on behalf of Bruce
> >Portzer 
> >Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:19 PM
> >To: ken brookner; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?
> >
> >Ken
> >
> >My morning listening is usually done by programming the SDR to record
> >the AM band from about an hour before to a half hour after local sunrise
> >(sometimes longer).  I can then either listen in real time or play back
> >the recording later in the day   The main advantages of this approach:
> >- I don't miss anything if I oversleep or have to leave before the DX
> >fades out (the latter is less relevant now that I'm retired)
> >- If conditions are rotten, I haven't wasted much time
> >- I can listen at my own speed and find the stations that fade up for
> >only a short amount of time
> >- I can check many frequencies for IDs at the top of the hour
> >- I can multitask while the recording is being made and not worry about
> >missing an ID because I was only half-listening while exercising,
> >reading the news, or eating breakfast
> >
> >I keep forgetting to check the fish barrel in the morning, but I agree
> >it's a valuable tool.  That's a habit I should start.
> >
> >When I play back the files, I usually setup the SDR software to display
> >200-300 kHz (such as 531-830 , 830-1030, etc) worth of spectrum and then
> >look for 9 kHz carriers on the display.  I'll check the signals one at a
> >time and gradually move through the files in chronological order until
> >the DX fades out or the recording ends.  Then I move onto the next chunk
> >of spectrum and repeat the process.  Eventually I reach then end of the
> >AM band and can then get on with my life again.  All the while, I'm
> >jotting my notes into an email which is eventually cleaned up and sent.
> >
> >Bruce
> >
> >On 9/20/2018 13:09, ken brookner wrote:
> > > Hi Everybody...
> > >
> > > I enjoy reading everyone's logs during the week and I've been curious
> > > about what your routine is...   Are you up and doing this real time,
> > > SDR catches?
> > >
> 

Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

[Chuck Hutton]

Nick -


I'm referring to the simple method of clicking on the Perseus playback bar to 
advance about a minute, then playback a few seconds and use your ears to tell 
you if anything is there.


No science needed.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 9:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?

As this thread was about methods of TP DXing, Chuck, could you please
explain further the "advance a Perseus file a minute at a time"   Are
you talking about getting the results from the 1024 point full band
display?   If so, perhaps I need to talk to your optometrist, as I
sure can't pick out carriers within 1 or 2 kHz on that display very
easily.  If I expand the display out to just a portion of the MW
band, yes, even my old eyes can do it, but then doesn't it take a
long time to pick through the recording of the entire band?

Thanks.

Nick


At 02:02 2018-09-21, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>
>
>
>As for the Fish Barrel: what's the value to SDR owners? I'm not seeing it.
>
>
>For doing checks to see if a channel is strong enough to bother
>listening to, I'd suggest the Data File Analyzer in SDR Console.
>That;s it's job. But I don't think that is much of a problem.
>Advancing a perseus file playback a minute or so at a time will
>catch most anything.
>
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on behalf of Bruce
>Portzer 
>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:19 PM
>To: ken brookner; Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] Morning TP Methodology?
>
>Ken
>
>My morning listening is usually done by programming the SDR to record
>the AM band from about an hour before to a half hour after local sunrise
>(sometimes longer).  I can then either listen in real time or play back
>the recording later in the day   The main advantages of this approach:
>- I don't miss anything if I oversleep or have to leave before the DX
>fades out (the latter is less relevant now that I'm retired)
>- If conditions are rotten, I haven't wasted much time
>- I can listen at my own speed and find the stations that fade up for
>only a short amount of time
>- I can check many frequencies for IDs at the top of the hour
>- I can multitask while the recording is being made and not worry about
>missing an ID because I was only half-listening while exercising,
>reading the news, or eating breakfast
>
>I keep forgetting to check the fish barrel in the morning, but I agree
>it's a valuable tool.  That's a habit I should start.
>
>When I play back the files, I usually setup the SDR software to display
>200-300 kHz (such as 531-830 , 830-1030, etc) worth of spectrum and then
>look for 9 kHz carriers on the display.  I'll check the signals one at a
>time and gradually move through the files in chronological order until
>the DX fades out or the recording ends.  Then I move onto the next chunk
>of spectrum and repeat the process.  Eventually I reach then end of the
>AM band and can then get on with my life again.  All the while, I'm
>jotting my notes into an email which is eventually cleaned up and sent.
>
>Bruce
>
>On 9/20/2018 13:09, ken brookner wrote:
> > Hi Everybody...
> >
> > I enjoy reading everyone's logs during the week and I've been curious
> > about what your routine is...   Are you up and doing this real time,
> > SDR catches?
> >
> > Are you scanning up the band from the bottom or tuning the splits? How
> > much time are you spending?
> >
> > When I was a kid, I used to turn my days and nights around during the
> > summer school breaks so I could tune for stations during darkness.
> > Not possible for me now and I don't expect anyone does that here,
> > though maybe you guys are very early risers..
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ken
> > Lummi Island, WA
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Re: [IRCA] Brainstorming - Temporary Antenna Supports

[Chuck Hutton]

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Here is a link to one on Amazon, although I have seen them a little cheaper..


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From: IRCA  on behalf of Guy Atkins 

Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 9:09 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Brainstorming - Temporary Antenna Supports

I concur with all the comments about fiberglass poles, especially Chuck's..
he knows whereof he speaketh.

I'll mention that I'm fond of "pro audio speaker stands", such as this one
(I own three):
https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Universal-Speaker-Stand-Holder/dp/B000E0PPG0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1537502614=8-3=pro+speaker+stand
The pricing is very reasonable and the stands can hold anything from
fiberglass poles to Wellbrook loops. For the Wellbrook loops I add one of
these mounts:
https://www.amazon.com/Speaker-Mounting-Adapter-Bracket-Tripod/dp/B00IGGRXT6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1537502847=8-3=pro+speaker+stand+mounting+bracket

While the stands won't weather high winds on the Rockwork cliffs, they will
hold up better in moderate wind if you add some weight like wrap-around leg
weights (such as used for exercising).

73,

Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA





On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Mark -
>
>
> I'd not think of using the painter;s extension poles. They are a bit
> flimsy and too short for a DKAZ or flag/loop.
>
>
> The Jackite poles are fairly common in ham circles. I've owned 4 of them
> for at least 10 years without problems.
>
>
> I also own a handful of other fiberglass poles and they have all been OK
> except an MFJ product. They collapse to approximately 4 feet.
>
>
> Two of my poles with the bases at https://wordpress.com/view/
> chuckhuttonblog.wordpress.com
>
>
> form the 18 x 18 corner fed loop I use at Rockworks. It can be assembled
> in 10 minutes in total darkness (with a flashlight).  The concrete bases
> are thick enough to withstand moderate coastal windstorms and might be a
> bit heavy for a several hour DXpedition.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] Brainstorming - Temporary Antenna Supports

[Chuck Hutton]

Below, I sent the wrong link to my note about antenna bases. The right link is 
https://chuckhuttonblog.wordpress.com/


Chuck




From: Chuck Hutton 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 8:28 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Brainstorming - Temporary Antenna Supports


Mark -


I'd not think of using the painter;s extension poles. They are a bit flimsy and 
too short for a DKAZ or flag/loop.


The Jackite poles are fairly common in ham circles. I've owned 4 of them for at 
least 10 years without problems.


I also own a handful of other fiberglass poles and they have all been OK except 
an MFJ product. They collapse to approximately 4 feet.


Two of my poles with the bases at 
https://wordpress.com/view/chuckhuttonblog.wordpress.com


form the 18 x 18 corner fed loop I use at Rockworks. It can be assembled in 10 
minutes in total darkness (with a flashlight).  The concrete bases are thick 
enough to withstand moderate coastal windstorms and might be a bit heavy for a 
several hour DXpedition.


Chuck



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Subject: [IRCA] Brainstorming - Temporary Antenna Supports

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Re: [IRCA] Brainstorming - Temporary Antenna Supports

[Chuck Hutton]

Mark -


I'd not think of using the painter;s extension poles. They are a bit flimsy and 
too short for a DKAZ or flag/loop.


The Jackite poles are fairly common in ham circles. I've owned 4 of them for at 
least 10 years without problems.


I also own a handful of other fiberglass poles and they have all been OK except 
an MFJ product. They collapse to approximately 4 feet.


Two of my poles with the bases at 
https://wordpress.com/view/chuckhuttonblog.wordpress.com


form the 18 x 18 corner fed loop I use at Rockworks. It can be assembled in 10 
minutes in total darkness (with a flashlight).  The concrete bases are thick 
enough to withstand moderate coastal windstorms and might be a bit heavy for a 
several hour DXpedition.


Chuck



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