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but one of the goals of JBoss 4 is to make it so developers
don't have
to deal with all the J2EE APIs
from
server.
-Tom
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:42, Tom Elrod wrote
I have never heard any of the main developers talk about JBoss4 _not_
being J2EE compatible. It has always been my understanding that the AOP
framework would form the underpinnings of JBoss4's EJB implementation
and be available as a more-flexible, lighter weight API for people who
aren't
Being compliant and the AOP features are not mutually exclusive. We
will do both.
To Brian Wallis, even if Jboss were to get certified, it would not make
your J2EE compliant applications portable. Why? There are may
important things considered outside the specification. For example,
all
That is precisely correct Dan,
marcf
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I have never heard any
Obviously, being J2EE compliant is not my call, just expressing my opinion.
Would really be nice if Marc, Bill, or Scott could chime in. You guys there?
What is your plan in regards to this for JBoss 4?
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Being compliant and the AOP features are not mutually exclusive. We
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Obviously, being J2EE compliant is not my call, just expressing
my opinion.
Would really be nice if Marc, Bill, or Scott could chime in. You
guys there?
What is your plan in regards to this for JBoss 4?
Dain Sundstrom wrote
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:16, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
To Brian Wallis, even if Jboss were to get certified, it would not make
your J2EE compliant applications portable. Why? There are may
important things considered outside the specification. For example,
all database mappings for CMP are
If JBoss adheres to the standards as they are and will be then I
will be able
to keep using it. If it doesn't then (despite what I want to do)
I probably
won't be given the opportunity to keep using it.
Please ignore the FUD from SUN. We have and always will strictly abide by
the
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:07, Bill Burke wrote:
Please ignore the FUD from SUN. We have and always will strictly abide by
the standards.
As I expected you would. Thanks and keep up the great work!
brian wallis...
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On Saturday, Mar 22, 2003, at 23:03 Europe/Amsterdam, Tom Coleman wrote:
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Personally, certification is irrelevant to me. My criteria is whether
or not the product gets the job done. I think certification serves to
answer that question for people who don't know how to figure it out
for
On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 04:19 PM, Stefan Arentz wrote:
On Saturday, Mar 22, 2003, at 23:03 Europe/Amsterdam, Tom Coleman
wrote:
Personally, certification is irrelevant to me. My criteria is
whether
or not the product gets the job done. I think certification serves
to
answer that
--- Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The more tests we have the better we will be, but I
doubt that sun will
let us check the TDK into CVS, so it will be
worthless to everyone but
the few JBoss employees that get access.
-dain
Is a condition of the TDK license that you can't
On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 07:30 PM, Dave Neuer wrote:
--- Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The more tests we have the better we will be, but I
doubt that sun will
let us check the TDK into CVS, so it will be
worthless to everyone but
the few JBoss employees that get access.
-dain
Is a
--- Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 07:30 PM, Dave Neuer
wrote:
--- Dain Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The more tests we have the better we will be, but
I
doubt that sun will
let us check the TDK into CVS, so it will be
worthless to
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On Sunday, March 23, 2003
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:42, Tom Elrod wrote:
IMHO, I don't know that passing the certification tests now would be of
much benefit to JBoss. The biggest drawback I can see is that with JBoss
4, we will be moving people away from having to deal with all the extra API
non-sense that J2EE
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On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 07
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:42, Tom Elrod wrote:
IMHO, I don't know
Don't be too sure that there isn't a number of months of effort to pass the
conformance suite. There are lots of edge cases and areas of interpretation
when implementing from a spec.
Unless they give the compliance testing to Bill Burke. He could probably
get it done in a weekend.
Tom Coleman wrote:
Don't be too sure that there isn't a number of months of effort to pass the
conformance suite. There are lots of edge cases and areas of interpretation
when implementing from a spec.
Unless they give the compliance testing to Bill Burke. He could probably
get it done in a
It's interesting, since I didn't think anyone in JBoss was bluffing.
Question, though: JBoss is free, right? Therefore, before Sun goes around with the
bravado, couldn't they have downloaded JBoss and run it against the compliance suite
to know if it would pass or not? It seems to me that,
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It's interesting, since I didn't think anyone in JBoss was bluffing.
Question, though: JBoss is free, right
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From: Fred Hartman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:21 PM
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Don't be too sure that there isn't a number of months of effort to pass the
conformance suite. There are lots of edge cases and areas
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