Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Hi Thomas, thanks for this issue forward with a rather constructive approach! > On 16. Aug 2017, at 03:20, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > I have now cleaned up https://notes.kde.org/p/KDE_IM_requirements > by removing >

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Hey everyone, just a quick progress update: I have now cleaned up https://notes.kde.org/p/KDE_IM_requirements by removing duplicates, removing all discussion / comments (so only plain requirements are left) and rewording most requirements to that they have a somewhat common wording. The next

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

Martin Klapetek - 10.08.17, 12:34: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:24 AM, Martin Steigerwald > wrote: > > Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: > > > > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a > > > > very > > > > long > > > > history and contributors of

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:24 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: > > > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a > very > > > long > > > history and contributors of all age. I'd rather be that than one of the > > >

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:51:53PM +0200, Christian Loosli wrote: > Then, on the subject of emojis, stickers or even the protocol used being so > important: > > Let's see what others do. My proposal is to lead rather than follow others. We can learn from their experience but leading would be

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

> What I’ve argued strongly against is the standpoint that we should stick > with the status quo. The status quo _is_ things with the advantages of Telegram or Matrix available, since these two are already bridged. Hence my earlier > Last but not least: if IRC really is so much of an issue,

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

> On 10 Aug 2017, at 10:22, Luigi Toscano wrote: > > Il 10 agosto 2017 10:24:08 EEST, Martin Steigerwald ha > scritto: >> Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a >> very

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

Il 10 agosto 2017 10:24:08 EEST, Martin Steigerwald ha scritto: >Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: >> > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a >very >> > long >> > history and contributors of all age. I'd rather be that than one of >the >> >

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

On 08/09/2017 07:19 AM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Must-have: - dfaure is there so I can ask KIO questions (IRC fails that currently.) Cheers, Eike

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Christian Loosli - 09.08.17, 22:26: > > Who's going to pick all those projects up after them? I'd like > > to think that young enthusiasts with lots of energy and potential, > > exactly what those heroes starting the original KDE were. > > Who is going to be there for these new talents that lack

How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: > > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a very > > long > > history and contributors of all age. I'd rather be that than one of the > > many > > tech startups with a bunch of little to no experience but fancy new chat > > systems, to

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

FWIW, I moderate a ~300k subscriber subreddit on the side, and that community substantially migrated away from Snoonet to Discord. I see that a lot on reddit now. Cheers, Eike -- Plasma, apps developer KDE e.V. vice president, treasurer Seoul, South Korea

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Am Mittwoch, 9. August 2017, 16:12:51 CEST schrieb Martin Klapetek: > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Christian Loosli wrote: > > Okay, this is more and more drifting away from being remotely productive > > or > > helpful, but as I provided a working solution on top level, I

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Christian Loosli wrote: > Okay, this is more and more drifting away from being remotely productive or > helpful, but as I provided a working solution on top level, I feel free to > tacke a few points that are, in my opinion, odd at best. > >

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On 2017 M08 9, Wed 00:19:32 CEST Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: ... > - Easy way to share files > A solution that puts files automatically on share.kde.org and embeds them > from there works only if we have people willing and able to implement that > feature into a desktop- as well as mobile client One

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Christian Loosli wrote: > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a very long > history and contributors of all age. I'd rather be that than one of the many > tech startups with a bunch of little to no experience but fancy new chat > systems, to be

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Okay, this is more and more drifting away from being remotely productive or helpful, but as I provided a working solution on top level, I feel free to tacke a few points that are, in my opinion, odd at best. First let's tackle that mysterious group of < 20 year olds: > > Is there any such

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > On 09 Aug 2017, at 20:00, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > >> So unless someone can give me an example of an organization younger > than 10 > >>

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > On 09 Aug 2017, at 20:00, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > >> So unless someone can give me an example of an organization younger than > >> 10 > >> years, with predominantly

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > So unless someone can give me an example of an organization younger than 10 > years, with predominantly people younger than 25, Is there any such organization at all? > which uses email as their > main format of text communication Even without

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

El dimecres, 9 d’agost de 2017, a les 9:36:42 CEST, Thomas Pfeiffer va escriure: > On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 01:59:00 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > PS: on the importance of emojis and (animated) stickers: I can see why > > people want them for friends and family, I love the sticker packs I

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

> On 09 Aug 2017, at 16:19, Eike Hein wrote: > > On August 9, 2017 4:28:49 PM GMT+09:00, Thomas Pfeiffer > wrote: >> On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 02:14:44 CEST Jonathan Frederickson wrote: >>> On 08/08/2017 06:19 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: - Support

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Elvis Angelaccio wrote: > On mercoledì 9 agosto 2017 11:47:24 CEST, David Edmundson wrote: >>> >>> We should probably also ask the sysadmin team whether they would be >>> willing to maintain our own chat server. >> >> >> That's "maintain

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

>We should probably also ask the sysadmin team whether they would be willing to maintain our own chat server. That's "maintain a third chat server". They maintain both kdetalk (jabber) and Conpherence (phabricator) already. David

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Wednesday 09 August 2017 00:19:32 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > - FOSS clients or at least API available for desktop as well as mobile > These clients must > - have a UI that someone who is < 20 years old and cares about the looks of > a UI would use (or if those don't exist, we need to have

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

> On 09 Aug 2017, at 09:57, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > > Can we please keep this thread limited to collecting-requirements, and > therefore arguing over which requirements are required or what their weight > is? That, rather than re-hashing the discussion elsewhere on which

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 09:36:42 CEST Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 01:59:00 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > PS: on the importance of emojis and (animated) stickers: I can see why > > people want them for friends and family, I love the sticker packs I have > > on > >

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Can we please keep this thread limited to collecting-requirements, and therefore arguing over which requirements are required or what their weight is? That, rather than re-hashing the discussion elsewhere on which platform with which sub- and superset of features is popular in which location.

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 01:59:00 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > PS: on the importance of emojis and (animated) stickers: I can see why > people want them for friends and family, I love the sticker packs I have on > Telegram. But why it is mandatory in a somewhat more professional >

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 02:14:44 CEST Jonathan Frederickson wrote: > On 08/08/2017 06:19 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > - Support for a decent set of Emoji (not just the ones you can create > > using > > ASCII chars). > > Using Unicode to display them is probably okay, as long as users can > >

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

On 08/08/2017 06:19 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > - Support for a decent set of Emoji (not just the ones you can create using > ASCII chars). > Using Unicode to display them is probably okay, as long as users can choose > them from a menu in the client instead of having to paste them from >

Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

Hi everyone, now that hopefully most of the emotional arguments in fiery support of one protocol or another have been exchanged, I'd suggest we move things towards a practical approach and ask ourselves: What are the requirements that KDE has for an instant messaging / chat system for it to be