Re: KR> aluminum

[Mark Langford via KRnet]

 Dean Choitz via KRnet wrote:
> wanting to make air plenums for my engine instead of baffling and 
also wanting to make my instrument panel out of aluminum sheet metal my 
question is what variety and thickness that can make a 90 degree bend 
without breaking and wont crack very easy because of metal fatigue or 
vibration.<


Dean,

Check out https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/aluminumalloy.pdf 
for a pretty good idea on bend radii.  I used 6061-T6 at .032", and it's 
plenty strong enough once populated with instruments and installed.  It 
is possible to make three or four smaller angle closely spaced bends, 
with the end result being a nicely bent lower surface, which would be 
completely unnoticed.  I'd practice on a similar scrap to verify your 
process first though, especially if the holes have already cut out. 
Unless you are water-jet cutting the panel first, I'd bend first and 
drill holes later.  Personally, I had mine done at a sheet metal shop 
where they have a "press brake", which bends over curved dies.  This can 
leave a 1/2 or 3/4" radius down there that will be knee friendly, and 
they probably wouldn't charge you $10 for that five minute job.


For baffling, using 0.020" would be plenty thick, and could be bent 
pretty close to a fold, depending on material type.


Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
http://www.n56ml.com


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KR> aluminum

[Dean Choitz via KRnet]

wanting to make air plenums for my engine instead of baffling and also wanting 
to make my instrument panel out of aluminum sheet metal my question is what 
variety and thickness that can make a 90 degree bend without breaking and wont 
crack very easy because of metal fatigue or vibration. any advice appreciated 
thanks dean choitz
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Re: KR> Aluminum Wing Tanks

[mark jones via KRnet]

Let me clarify a couple of things. 560 hours was flight time over 13 years.
That equates to 113,880 hours that these tanks held fuel without leaking or
degrading. Why go any other way other than aluminum tanks. I would estimate
60% of those hours were 100LL, 35% of those hours were 93 octane non
ethanol recreational gas sold at the local Kwik Trip in Wisconsin and the
remainder 5% was mixture of premium and 100LL. My Corvair engine ran well
on all but I preferred 100LL as it never vapor locked nor gave me any
trouble.

Mark Jones
Oldsmar, FL

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On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:13 PM mark jones via KRnet 
wrote:

> No welding required !!!
> That's right, Dana Overall built me a set of aluminum wing tanks for my
> first KR N886MJ and absolutely no welding is required. And 560 hours not a
> drop of fuel leaked out. I ran 100LL, mogas, ethanol laden fuel and used
> additives like Marvel Mystery Oil. Oh, did I say not a drop ever leaked.
> This method of building an aluminum tank is very simple and very easily
> shaped to your specific needs. Personally, I am going to build another set
> of aluminum wing tanks for my "WunderBird". Here is the link to how Dana
> and the RV guys construct their aluminum wing tanks.
> http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/
>
>
> Mark Jones
> Oldsmar, FL
>
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KR> Aluminum Wing Tanks

[mark jones via KRnet]

No welding required !!!
That's right, Dana Overall built me a set of aluminum wing tanks for my
first KR N886MJ and absolutely no welding is required. And 560 hours not a
drop of fuel leaked out. I ran 100LL, mogas, ethanol laden fuel and used
additives like Marvel Mystery Oil. Oh, did I say not a drop ever leaked.
This method of building an aluminum tank is very simple and very easily
shaped to your specific needs. Personally, I am going to build another set
of aluminum wing tanks for my "WunderBird". Here is the link to how Dana
and the RV guys construct their aluminum wing tanks.
http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/


Mark Jones
Oldsmar, FL

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Re: KR> KR Aluminum Seat Pan Construction

[Mark Langford via KRnet]

Rob Schmitt wrote:

>> I used one sheet of aluminum, fairly thin gage as I recall (T6061 0.016 gage 
>> 3’x3’ sheet worked for me). It spans the back and front spar. It does bend 
>> down over the front of the front spar and I used a “bar” of aluminum 
>> probably 1/8” thick by 1” to secure it (Screws) to the front spar. Two bars 
>> in front, one for the pilot, one for the copilot. The sheet is “V - notched” 
>> for the center stick opening so that it is continuous at the back of the 
>> seat but not the front. At the back, the aluminum is also bent down over the 
>> spar and a “bar” of aluminum is used as well screwed to the rear spar.<<

Just to clarify this, I'm sure Rob doesn't mean to simply cut a v-notch
with a pair of tin snipsfar better to make the vertex by drilling a
hole, then cutting into the hole tangentially with the snips so there's
not an actual notch or the stress riser that it would create.  Aluminum
is not so great at fatigue, so giving it a head start with a real notch
(which is likely to become the origin of a crack) is not preferable. 
Deburring those critical areas is also recommended.  A deburring tool is
pretty cheap from Aircraft Spruce, and you'll use it many times, once
you see how well it works, and understand the concept of why you should
remove burrs (which comes after the application of a few Band-Aids, or
have seen fatigue failures in critical items).

I have to admit that the canvas seat in N891JF works pretty well, and
it's been in place since 1990.  Whether canvas or aluminum, it's worth
inspecting the thing for tears or other damage every year during the
condition inspection.  Failure at a bad time could ruin your whole
day

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
ML "at" N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com



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Re: KR> KR Aluminum Seat Pan Construction

[Rob Schmitt via KRnet]

Correct, like a sling seat. Yes I stand on it all the time. So do my passengers 
as they get in and out.

Rob


> On Aug 29, 2018, at 3:08 PM, mark jones  wrote:
> 
> Photos came through for me. Thanks. So there is no support under the 
> aluminum. It is installed like a sling seat.  Do you ever stand on the seat 
> getting in and out?
> 
> Thanks again. 
> 
> Mark Jones
> Oldsmar, Fl
> www.flykr2s.com
> flyk...@gmail.com
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 3:53 PM,   wrote:
>> 
>> Reposting without Photos. They were too big to make it through.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Mark,
>>  
>> Afraid I don’t seem to have any really great pictures.  Attached are the 
>> best ones I have, I was actually taking photos of other stuff at the time. I 
>> reduced the file sizes so hopefully they will post to the KRNET.
>>  
>> I used one sheet of aluminum, fairly thin gage as I recall (T6061 0.016 gage 
>> 3’x3’ sheet worked for me).  It spans the back and front spar.  It does bend 
>> down over the front of the front spar and I used a “bar” of aluminum 
>> probably 1/8” thick by 1” to secure it (Screws) to the front spar.  Two bars 
>> in front, one for the pilot, one for the copilot.  The sheet is “V - 
>> notched” for the center stick opening so that it is continuous at the back 
>> of the seat but not the front.  At the back, the aluminum is also bent down 
>> over the spar and a “bar” of aluminum is used as well screwed to the rear 
>> spar.
>>  
>> The seat back is plywood, not aluminum. Mine does hinge so I can get behind 
>> it for maintenance.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Rob Schmitt
>> N1852Z
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
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Re: KR> KR Aluminum Seat Pan Construction

[mark jones via KRnet]

Photos came through for me. Thanks. So there is no support under the aluminum. 
It is installed like a sling seat.  Do you ever stand on the seat getting in 
and out?

Thanks again. 

Mark Jones
Oldsmar, Fl
www.flykr2s.com
flyk...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone 7

> On Aug 29, 2018, at 3:53 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Reposting without Photos. They were too big to make it through.
>  
>  
>  
> Mark,
>  
> Afraid I don’t seem to have any really great pictures.  Attached are the best 
> ones I have, I was actually taking photos of other stuff at the time. I 
> reduced the file sizes so hopefully they will post to the KRNET.
>  
> I used one sheet of aluminum, fairly thin gage as I recall (T6061 0.016 gage 
> 3’x3’ sheet worked for me).  It spans the back and front spar.  It does bend 
> down over the front of the front spar and I used a “bar” of aluminum probably 
> 1/8” thick by 1” to secure it (Screws) to the front spar.  Two bars in front, 
> one for the pilot, one for the copilot.  The sheet is “V - notched” for the 
> center stick opening so that it is continuous at the back of the seat but not 
> the front.  At the back, the aluminum is also bent down over the spar and a 
> “bar” of aluminum is used as well screwed to the rear spar.
>  
> The seat back is plywood, not aluminum. Mine does hinge so I can get behind 
> it for maintenance.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Rob Schmitt
> N1852Z
>  
>  
> 
> 
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KR> KR Aluminum Seat Pan Construction

[Rob Schmitt via KRnet]

Reposting without Photos. They were too big to make it through. 

 

 

 

Mark,

 

Afraid I don’t seem to have any really great pictures.  Attached are the best 
ones I have, I was actually taking photos of other stuff at the time. I reduced 
the file sizes so hopefully they will post to the KRNET. 

 

I used one sheet of aluminum, fairly thin gage as I recall (T6061 0.016 gage 
3’x3’ sheet worked for me).  It spans the back and front spar.  It does bend 
down over the front of the front spar and I used a “bar” of aluminum probably 
1/8” thick by 1” to secure it (Screws) to the front spar.  Two bars in front, 
one for the pilot, one for the copilot.  The sheet is “V - notched” for the 
center stick opening so that it is continuous at the back of the seat but not 
the front.  At the back, the aluminum is also bent down over the spar and a 
“bar” of aluminum is used as well screwed to the rear spar. 

 

The seat back is plywood, not aluminum. Mine does hinge so I can get behind it 
for maintenance. 

 

Thanks,

 

Rob Schmitt

N1852Z

 

 

From: mark jones mailto:flyk...@gmail.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
To: KRnet mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org> >
Cc: Robert7721 mailto:robert7...@aol.com> >
Subject: Re: KR> Timing/ composit rep.

 

Rob,

Tell us more about your aluminum seat. What thickness aluminum? How did you 
attach it? Is it one piece like a bench or two like bucket seats. Did you also 
use aluminum for the seat backs?

 

Thanks


Mark Jones

Oldsmar, FL

 

flyk...@gmail.com  

www.flykr2s.com  

 

 

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 8:21 AM Rob Schmitt via KRnet mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org> > wrote:

Mike,

This one sounds familiar. I damaged my composite seat and replaced her with
an aluminum pan.  It stretches across the two spars and is securely mounted
to them. The aluminum pan is still in the aircraft. The aluminum will be
much lighter than the wood and a little softer on the bum.

Thanks,

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z





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From: KRnet mailto:krnet-boun...@list.krnet.org> 
> On Behalf Of Mike Sylvester via
KRnet
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:49 PM
To: KRnet mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org> >
Cc: Mike Sylvester mailto:shagste...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: KR> Timing/ composit rep.

Perfect timing on this one.

I have spent the last couple of days trying to come up with a fix for my
composite seat that I pretty much destroyed by taking off some spray glue
with paint thinner. It made it's way inside the composite sandwich and
melted my blue foam. I have been scrambling trying to make repairs so that I
don't miss the Gathering. I decided to temporarily build a plywood style
seat to get me back in the air. I know I'm looking at a weight penalty of 6
or 7 lbs. but it'll have to do for now.

Mike Sylvester
kr2s builder
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854
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KR> Aluminum Band Saw

[cruzj12 at frontiernet.net]

Can someone send me the link for a condition inspection check list.I thought 
Dan Heath mentioned it being on his webpage but n i could not find it.Merry 
Christmas and Happy New Year to all.Joe?Joe Cruz
cruzj12 at frontiernet.net
KR1.5 N3151K
KR2S builder 

 On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:30 PM, Patrick Driscoll via KRnet  wrote:


 I bought the Harbor Freight red cutter about a year ago and have used it 
quite often with no problems. I have even worn out three metal blades with a 
whole lot of cutting.
Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
patrick36 at usfamily.net
www.pensbypat.com
If you can read this, Thank a teacher
If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran 


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KR> Aluminum Band Saw

[Patrick Driscoll]

I bought the Harbor Freight red cutter about a year ago and have used it 
quite often with no problems. I have even worn out three metal blades with a 
whole lot of cutting.
Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
patrick36 at usfamily.net
www.pensbypat.com
If you can read this, Thank a teacher
If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran 

KR> Aluminum Band Saw

[Roger Baalman]

Miter saws work great.  Just backup the piece.  I also used my table saw for 
ripping and cross cutting various angles. Then the stationary belt sander.
Roger

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Larry&Sallie Flesner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> I purchased a metal cutting band saw from Sears about 28 years ago for $128.
>> Sid Wood
> 
> 
> A band saw may be handy but I built my KR using a hacksaw to cut aluminum and 
> a 4 inch stationary belt sander to shape the parts.  Maybe that's why it took 
> me 13 years. :-)  Personally, I'd spend my tool money on a good compound 
> miter saw and a good drill press.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
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KR> Aluminum Band Saw

[tinyauto at aol.com]

I took one of those EAA classes on how to work with fiberglass thinking if I 
could pick up something, it would help make my airplane a bit better. I got my 
moneys worth.  One tool I discovered in the class was the vibrating 
sander/cutter tool.  These cut fiberglass with ease with a cut that is 
extremely thin.  Nice thing about this tool it is almost impossible to cut 
skin.  If you buy one from Harbor Freight, don't buy the red cheap one, but the 
better blue one.  Thinking it costs about $20 on sale or $29 not on sale.  
Cheap either way.  I bought the red one first because it had a smaller "body" 
to the tool thinking I could get it into places where the bigger one wouldn't 
go.  It lasted maybe 20 minutes before it quit!  I took it back and bought the 
big blue one and it has been perfect so far.maybe 4 hours on it so far.  
Very handy for cutting/sanding sheet rock too!

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO
Streak Shadow



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From: Dan Heath 
To: 'KRnet' 
Sent: Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:50 am
Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Band Saw


Well, the formers for the turtle deck are made of foam, not wood.  I started
ith wood and it was a mess, so having the general shape, I marked that on a
iece of foam and it was a simple task to get the shape I wanted to glass
ver.  Whenever I would make a fiberglass part, of course, I would make it
ith some glass hanging over the edges.  It was very simple to then go back
nd trim the edges on the band saw.  I found that using a knife would make
ome cuts where I did not want them if the knife slipped.  And of course,
ny angle or other aluminum part that could not be cut by the shear, or when
t was not convenient to go to the shear, I would cut with the band saw.  I
lso made several parts out of aluminum block ( old retract spring bar ) on
y radial arm saw, not having a milling machine.  
Man, I wish I had a milling maching.
See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
est KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
est Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
est Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
est Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

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lesner
ent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:44 PM
o: KRnet
ubject: Re: KR> Aluminum Band Saw

For me, a band saw was one of the best tool investments that I made.  I 
cut a lot of foam and even fiberglass parts as well as aluminum with it.
+
Just curious, what fiberglass parts did you cut with the band saw?  I don't
emember having to "cut" any fiberglass parts.  I cut all my foam with a
nife.
Larry Flesner

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KR> Aluminum Band Saw

[Dan Heath]

Well, the formers for the turtle deck are made of foam, not wood.  I started
with wood and it was a mess, so having the general shape, I marked that on a
piece of foam and it was a simple task to get the shape I wanted to glass
over.  Whenever I would make a fiberglass part, of course, I would make it
with some glass hanging over the edges.  It was very simple to then go back
and trim the edges on the band saw.  I found that using a knife would make
some cuts where I did not want them if the knife slipped.  And of course,
any angle or other aluminum part that could not be cut by the shear, or when
it was not convenient to go to the shear, I would cut with the band saw.  I
also made several parts out of aluminum block ( old retract spring bar ) on
my radial arm saw, not having a milling machine.  

Man, I wish I had a milling maching.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics?

Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 

Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC



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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry&Sallie
Flesner
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:44 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Band Saw


>For me, a band saw was one of the best tool investments that I made.  I 
>cut a lot of foam and even fiberglass parts as well as aluminum with it.
++

Just curious, what fiberglass parts did you cut with the band saw?  I don't
remember having to "cut" any fiberglass parts.  I cut all my foam with a
knife.

Larry Flesner


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KR> Aluminum Band Saw

[Dan Heath]

For me, a band saw was one of the best tool investments that I made.  I cut
a lot of foam and even fiberglass parts as well as aluminum with it.  Just
get plenty of blades as fiberglass will tear them up after a few uses.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics?

Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 

Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC

KR> Aluminum Band Saw

[Larry&Sallie Flesner]

>For me, a band saw was one of the best tool investments that I made.  I cut
>a lot of foam and even fiberglass parts as well as aluminum with it.
++

Just curious, what fiberglass parts did you cut with the band saw?  I 
don't remember having to "cut" any fiberglass parts.  I cut all my 
foam with a knife.

Larry Flesner

KR> Aluminum Band Saw

[smwood]

I purchased a metal cutting band saw from Sears about 28 years ago for $128. 
The same saw goes for $492 now.
http://www.sears.com/black-bull-mbs45-4-1-2-inch-metal-cutting/p-SPM1532756414?prdNo=5&blockNo=5&blockType=G5
Every piece of aluminum on my KR-2 that ever needed to be cut was done on 
this band saw, plus numerous other projects.   A steady hail of aluminum and 
steel saw dust chips has rained down on the motor.  No problem: The air 
intake and exhaust for cooling are on the underside of the motor.  The 
V-belt and pulleys are enclosed in a plastic cover.  Only maintenance ever 
done was to replace the blades.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

-- 
> In 1968 I bought a used Delta band saw for cutting wood. I used it some, 
> not
> a lot.  One day I put a jack shaft on it and a couple of pulleys and by
> changing the belt over, it would run slow or fast and through the years I
> cut a lot of metal with it.  I always just blew  the dust and debris off
> from time to time with my air compressor...  After many years the motor
> failed, it had inhaled way too much aluminum and metal dust.  I was able 
> to
> rebuild it and it wasn't that expensive, but a simple little cover over 
> the
> motor made of about anything might have prevented that from happening.
> Merry Christmas Paul, enjoy your new band saw. I don't know what I would 
> do
> without mine..  Lynn
>

> , but a simple little cover over the
> motor made of about anything might have prevented that from happening.
> Merry Christmas Paul, enjoy your new band saw. I don't know what I would 
> do
> without mine..  Lynn
> -
>
> This is MOST important. I used a light cloth over the end of the motor 
> with
> wire twisted around the motor to hold in place, much better than 
> rebuilding
> or replacing the motor.
> PS-  REMEMBER to shake the filter clean regularly.
>
> Phil Matheson

KR> Aluminum Band Saw

[Larry&Sallie Flesner]

>I purchased a metal cutting band saw from Sears about 28 years ago for $128.
>Sid Wood


A band saw may be handy but I built my KR using a hacksaw to cut 
aluminum and a 4 inch stationary belt sander to shape the 
parts.  Maybe that's why it took me 13 years. :-)  Personally, I'd 
spend my tool money on a good compound miter saw and a good drill press.

Larry Flesner

KR> Aluminum Angle for control brackets

[iflyexp at gmail.com]

Seth try airpartsinc.com
Super folks to work with

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 26, 2013, at 16:45, Seth and Karen Jersild  wrote:

>> Hi All,
> 
> Today Aircraft Spruce notified me that they no longer carry their 1/8" thick 
> 4" by 2.5" 6061-T6 aluminum angle, and Wicks has nothing in those 
> width/length dimensions thinner than 1/4".  I've made several calls to metal 
> suppliers and also local machine shops and they told me I probably won't find 
> extruded angle in those dimensions.
> 
> I have plenty of 1/8" thick 6061 plate but as per plans I would of course 
> prefer to use extruded angle for the controls.  Has anyone used a brake to 
> bend their control brackets?  Any suggestions or leads on where I can find 
> extruded angle?
> 
> Thanks,
> Seth
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KR> Aluminum Angle for control brackets

[Seth and Karen Jersild]

> Hi All,

Today Aircraft Spruce notified me that they no longer carry their 1/8" 
thick 4" by 2.5" 6061-T6 aluminum angle, and Wicks has nothing in those 
width/length dimensions thinner than 1/4".  I've made several calls to 
metal suppliers and also local machine shops and they told me I probably 
won't find extruded angle in those dimensions.

I have plenty of 1/8" thick 6061 plate but as per plans I would of 
course prefer to use extruded angle for the controls.  Has anyone used a 
brake to bend their control brackets?  Any suggestions or leads on where 
I can find extruded angle?

Thanks,
Seth

KR> Aluminum Wing Tanks and Installation.

[Dan Heath]

I followed Marks and Dana's lead on this and used their information to
retrofit my KR2 with Diehl wing skins, to have 21.6 gallons in the wings.
It is documented here:

http://krbuilder.org/ConvertingToWingTanks/index.html


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See you at the 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il – MVN 
Bad Weather at Gathering time, is a killer or a real bummer.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


Aluminum wing tanks are relatively simple to build. They can easily be done
with no welding involved at all. Please refer to this link for a detailed
description of how to build aluminum tanks.
http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/

KR> Aluminum Wing Tanks and Installation.

[Mark Jones]

>original message from Dean Choitz


>I would like some advice how to build a wing with a fuel tank inside that's
>aluminum my wing was built with foam ribs no plywood ribs I want to run a
>tank behind the main spar about 5 and a half feet I would appreciate ideas
>how to fasten the tank

Aluminum wing tanks are relatively simple to build. They can easily be done 
with no welding involved at all. Please refer to this link for a detailed 
description of how to build aluminum tanks.
http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/

After you have mastered this construction technique, mounting the tanks is 
also very simple. Mine have been flying for seven years and almost 500 hours 
without any leaks or problems. What I did to mount mine was very simple. I 
took a piece of 1" aluminum angle and installed it between the front spar 
and rear spar. Make a L shaped bracket to attach the aluminum angle to the 
front spar and rear spar. Do this on each end of the tank. Be sure to mount 
the aluminum angle low enough to allow the top of the tank to be below the 
airfoil surface. Once you have determined the mounting spots and have 
installed the aluminum angle, go to the auto parts store and purchase a roll 
of automotive trim tape. This is a high density foam tape and is 3/4" wide. 
Next, tape the inside of the aluminum angle leaving the plastic coating on 
one side. Tape both the bottom where the tank sets and also the side so 
there is no metal to metal contact. Now put the tank in place. Once you are 
satisfied with the mount, take two part foam and fill the gap between the 
front of the tank and the rear of the front spar. Do the same with the rear 
of the tank. After that has cured, proceed to epoxy foam sheeting to the top 
and bottom of the tanks. for shaping the airfoil. Here is a link to my web 
site which has some photos you can study.
http://www.flykr2s.com/wing.html

If you have additional questions, just ask.



Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
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KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[phillabaum...@aol.com]

Try 
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/alumangle3.php

Might not be what you want.  About 10 years ago I bought some 4" x 4"  metal in 
a 12' length. was over $100.00 then I don't know what it would be now. Heck I 
might have got it from wicks.  Well it was either one.

Steve


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Pryce 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum for bellcrank


I sent them an email and they said they don't.
n Aug 1, 2012 1:53 PM, "jlo...@eircom.net"  wrote:
> Try google speedy metals. They might have it.
 John


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 - Reply message -
 From: "Christopher Pryce" 
 To: 
 Subject: KR> Aluminum for bellcrank
 Date: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 16:39


 I'm starting to order parts to get my project started while I am waiting
 for pilot training.  I just got my -2S supplement from nVAero and my Dad is
 sending me all the spruce he has so I can get the fuselage started.  While
 I am waiting for that, I decided to try to get some aluminum to fabricate
 the bellcranks.  I've searched the archives and read every old email about
 where to get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere.  The
 closest thing I can find is 2x4 Rectangle stock.  Does anyone know where I
 can get the angle I need?  Thank you for your help.

 Christopher Pryce
 Columbus, MS
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KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[Christopher Pryce]

I sent them an email and they said they don't.
On Aug 1, 2012 1:53 PM, "jlo...@eircom.net"  wrote:

> Try google speedy metals. They might have it.
> John
>
>
> Sent from my HTC
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Christopher Pryce" 
> To: 
> Subject: KR> Aluminum for bellcrank
> Date: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 16:39
>
>
> I'm starting to order parts to get my project started while I am waiting
> for pilot training.  I just got my -2S supplement from nVAero and my Dad is
> sending me all the spruce he has so I can get the fuselage started.  While
> I am waiting for that, I decided to try to get some aluminum to fabricate
> the bellcranks.  I've searched the archives and read every old email about
> where to get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere.  The
> closest thing I can find is 2x4 Rectangle stock.  Does anyone know where I
> can get the angle I need?  Thank you for your help.
>
> Christopher Pryce
> Columbus, MS
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Re: KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[jlo...@eircom.net]

Try google speedy metals. They might have it.
John


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From: "Christopher Pryce" 
To: 
Subject: KR> Aluminum for bellcrank
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 16:39


I'm starting to order parts to get my project started while I am waiting
for pilot training.  I just got my -2S supplement from nVAero and my Dad is
sending me all the spruce he has so I can get the fuselage started.  While
I am waiting for that, I decided to try to get some aluminum to fabricate
the bellcranks.  I've searched the archives and read every old email about
where to get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere.  The
closest thing I can find is 2x4 Rectangle stock.  Does anyone know where I
can get the angle I need?  Thank you for your help.

Christopher Pryce
Columbus, MS
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KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[Mark Langford]

No, I'M probably the one that's missing something.  I didn't make my
bellcranks per the plans, so that explains why I thought that angle was
superfluous.  Now that you mention it, the word "bellcrank" IS in the
subject line.  Duhhh

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
see experimental N56ML at www.N56ML.com  

KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[Christopher Pryce]

>From what I've read, I need that aluminum for the aileron bellcrank support
arms as well.  There are a couple pieces that are 3-4" inches long.  Am I
missing something?


>
> "You don't actually need that piece of aluminum unless you are using a
> "standard" engine mount like an old HAPI or others that fasten toward the
> middle of the firewall."
>
>
>
>
>

KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[Mark Langford]

Christopher Pryce wrote:

> "I've searched the archives and read every old email about where to 
> get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere"

You don't actually need that piece of aluminum unless you are using a
"standard" engine mount like an old HAPI or others that fasten toward the
middle of the firewall.  My motor mount was designed to connect up to the
corners of the firewall, which is a more efficient and stronger design than
fastening it to toward the center, and very little aluminum is needed to
back it up.  Take a look at http://www.n56ml.com/kfuse.html to see what I
mean about "minimal".  My hayfield incidence managed to tweak the mount a
little bit, but this connection is still fine.  This little backing plate
weighs just about nothing, and is cut out of scrap from another piece of
1/8" 6061-T6.  Just a thought...


Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
see experimental N56ML at www.N56ML.com  



-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Christopher Pryce
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:04 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

Wow,  I don't know how I missed that.  Thanks!

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Teate, Stephen  wrote:

> "I've searched the archives and read every old email about where to 
> get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere"
>
> Christopher,
>
> Aircraft Spruce carries 2 1/2" x 4" x 1/8" angle under the 6061-T6 
> aluminum angle drop down.
>
> Stephen Teate
> Paradise, Texas
>
> P.S. Welcome to the party!
>
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KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[Pat and Robin Russo]

Aircraft spruce has what you are looking for.  When at a loss...google 
Aluminum 6061


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Pryce
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:39 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

I'm starting to order parts to get my project started while I am waiting
for pilot training.  I just got my -2S supplement from nVAero and my Dad is
sending me all the spruce he has so I can get the fuselage started.  While
I am waiting for that, I decided to try to get some aluminum to fabricate
the bellcranks.  I've searched the archives and read every old email about
where to get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere.  The
closest thing I can find is 2x4 Rectangle stock.  Does anyone know where I
can get the angle I need?  Thank you for your help.

Christopher Pryce
Columbus, MS
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KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[Christopher Pryce]

Wow,  I don't know how I missed that.  Thanks!

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Teate, Stephen  wrote:

> "I've searched the archives and read every old email about
> where to get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere"
>
> Christopher,
>
> Aircraft Spruce carries 2 1/2" x 4" x 1/8" angle under the 6061-T6
> aluminum angle drop down.
>
> Stephen Teate
> Paradise, Texas
>
> P.S. Welcome to the party!
>
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> legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient,
> you should delete this message.  Access to this email by
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> is prohibited and may be unlawful.
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KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[Teate, Stephen]

"I've searched the archives and read every old email about
where to get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere"

Christopher,

Aircraft Spruce carries 2 1/2" x 4" x 1/8" angle under the 6061-T6 aluminum 
angle drop down.

Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas

P.S. Welcome to the party!

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KR> Aluminum for bellcrank

[Christopher Pryce]

I'm starting to order parts to get my project started while I am waiting
for pilot training.  I just got my -2S supplement from nVAero and my Dad is
sending me all the spruce he has so I can get the fuselage started.  While
I am waiting for that, I decided to try to get some aluminum to fabricate
the bellcranks.  I've searched the archives and read every old email about
where to get the 2x4x.125 angle stock but I cant find it anywhere.  The
closest thing I can find is 2x4 Rectangle stock.  Does anyone know where I
can get the angle I need?  Thank you for your help.

Christopher Pryce
Columbus, MS

KR> Aluminum fuel tank

[phillip matheson]

Getting upside down head first in a KR is damn near
impossible and extremely unpleasant.  I've thanked the builder of my KR
many times for putting in a removable aluminum 17½ gallon header tank.
--

Not sure if Mark L started it all, but the BEST thing I did was follow is 
lead. I have a removal front deck ( thanks Mark) then you never have to have 
your head jammed under the dash of a KR. and the tank ( if you have one ) is 
easy to make removal.  I think it would be impossible to remove it any other 
way.

But my wing tanks are great.


Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch 37
http://www.philskr2.50megs.com/
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 4:57 PM
Subject: KR> Aluminum fuel tank


If you can make a composite tank so it comes out easily I guess it would
be as good as aluminum.  The key issue is being able to take it out to
get to things below it like brakes, behind the panel area, behind the
firewall area, etc.  Getting upside down head first in a KR is damn near
impossible and extremely unpleasant.  I've thanked the builder of my KR
many times for putting in a removable aluminum 17½ gallon header tank.

When I got my plane it reeked of gas fumes but it wasn't the fault of the
tank.  It was because every single fuel connection was loose and leaking.
 Once I took the tank off and tightened all connections there have been
no fumes.  When I started smelling fuel recently I found the brass fuel
valve leaking and replaced it.  No more fumes.  My tank is 23 years old
and has had a lot of use.  There are indications that it has been
repaired at some point, but that was a long time ago and there's been no
problems since.  Since I damned near killed myself with gas fumes flying
my KR back from where I bought it, I'm extremely sensitive to gas fumes
and will tolerate none.  I highly recommend an aluminum tank.  If it's
leaking, just fix it!  Wrapping it with composite doesn't seem like an
optimum solution.

As for a composite tank, good luck.  Just make sure it's removable.

Mike
KSEE



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[laser...@juno.com]

If you can make a composite tank so it comes out easily I guess it would
be as good as aluminum.  The key issue is being able to take it out to
get to things below it like brakes, behind the panel area, behind the
firewall area, etc.  Getting upside down head first in a KR is damn near
impossible and extremely unpleasant.  I've thanked the builder of my KR
many times for putting in a removable aluminum 17½ gallon header tank.

When I got my plane it reeked of gas fumes but it wasn't the fault of the
tank.  It was because every single fuel connection was loose and leaking.
 Once I took the tank off and tightened all connections there have been
no fumes.  When I started smelling fuel recently I found the brass fuel
valve leaking and replaced it.  No more fumes.  My tank is 23 years old
and has had a lot of use.  There are indications that it has been
repaired at some point, but that was a long time ago and there's been no
problems since.  Since I damned near killed myself with gas fumes flying
my KR back from where I bought it, I'm extremely sensitive to gas fumes
and will tolerate none.  I highly recommend an aluminum tank.  If it's
leaking, just fix it!  Wrapping it with composite doesn't seem like an
optimum solution.

As for a composite tank, good luck.  Just make sure it's removable.  

Mike
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KR> Aluminum Tanks

[Dan Heath]

Why not build the tanks out of foam and glass.  Light and quick.  I think
Mark L. proved that.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


-Original Message-

Don't like them!  Heavy, no access once they are installed and I 
> don't want a header tank either.  

KR> Aluminum Wing Tanks in RAF 48 outboard wing

[Solly Melyon]

We had developed Aluminum outboard wing tanks.  The can be installed or 
retrofited to your  KR airplan easily.  Look into our web page for more 
information on engines, engines kits, fuel tanks and more.

Solly Melyon-Mgr
AeroMax Aviation, LLC
www.aeromaxaviation.com
229.241.1175

--- On Mon, 9/21/09, Dan Heath  wrote:


From: Dan Heath 
Subject: KR> Aluminum Wing Tanks in RAF 48 outboard wing
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:11 PM


If you have built wing tanks for your STOCK outboard wing with Diehl skins
and have any words of wisdom or pics, I can use both.



I want to get started on these as soon as possible.  I hope to have this
done and the Vair engine installed by the next Gathering so I can fly high
and nonstop to I39.



Daniel R. Heath

da...@windstream.net

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the pics 





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KR> Aluminum Wing Tanks in RAF 48 outboard wing

[Dan Heath]

If you have built wing tanks for your STOCK outboard wing with Diehl skins
and have any words of wisdom or pics, I can use both.



I want to get started on these as soon as possible.  I hope to have this
done and the Vair engine installed by the next Gathering so I can fly high
and nonstop to I39.



Daniel R. Heath

da...@windstream.net

See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 

KR> Aluminum Welding Rods

[John Gotschall]

So I got the package for $45 from Weeks, one of the traditional american
suppliers.

Then Yesterday I found them for $12.99 at:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44810

A slightly smaller package, but you don't need much anyway.  The one
from weeks comes with a fine Stainless wire brush, this does not.

jg

KR> Aluminum Welding Rods

[Randy Smith]

I have used that stuff on repairs of hot gas lines on Carrier A/C units.( older 
models use aluminum tubs for the condenser) They have a working pressure of 
anything from 150 psi to 425 psi. I have not had to go back on one yet and 5 
units I still take care of.

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Dan Heath  wrote:

From: Dan Heath 
Subject: KR> Aluminum Welding Rods
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 5:01 AM

Thanks, that isn't too far from here.  I have been wanting to try that stuff
  Has anyone built a fuel tank with it yet? 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

  Aluminum Welding Rods
   WEEKS DISTRIBUTORS
36 Caroline Drive
TAYLORS, SOUTH CAROLINA 29687
(800) 547-9353  www.durafix.com

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KR> Aluminum Welding Rods

[Dan Heath]

Thanks, that isn't too far from here.  I have been wanting to try that stuff
  Has anyone built a fuel tank with it yet? 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

  Aluminum Welding Rods
   WEEKS DISTRIBUTORS
36 Caroline Drive
TAYLORS, SOUTH CAROLINA 29687
(800) 547-9353  www.durafix.com

KR> aluminum

[Keith and Martha Crawford]

Hi all

I hate to revisit this topic but here it goes.


I am to that point where I need that 1" x 4" x 1/8" inch 6061, I have  
called wicks, airccraft spruce, and all the local venders and  
nothing. What do I do next?
I thought about bending my own but wick doesn't have a .125 6061  
sheet "and thats the sheets!"

Any suggestions?


Keith and Martha Crawford
mar...@simerson.net
http://martha.simerson.net

KR> aluminum

[Joseph H Horton]

 How about 4 x 4  or 3 x 4 and cut the one leg down to the required size.
Although I don't know if any of these sizes are available.
Joe Horton
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:22:47 -0400 Keith and Martha Crawford
 writes:
> Hi all
> 
> I hate to revisit this topic but here it goes.
> 
> 
> I am to that point where I need that 1" x 4" x 1/8" inch 6061, I 
> have  
> called wicks, airccraft spruce, and all the local venders and  
> nothing. What do I do next?
> I thought about bending my own but wick doesn't have a .125 6061  
> sheet "and thats the sheets!"
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> Keith and Martha Crawford
> mar...@simerson.net

KR> aluminum

[Allen Wiesner]

Aircraft Spruce does have 1/8" (.125") 6061 in T4 & T6, but the MINIMUM bend 
radius is 1 & 1 1/2 times the thickness, recommended radius is 2 & 3 "T", so 
unless you can live with those dimentions or know a GOOD heat-treater who can 
anneal it and then bring it back to T6? after you bend it

Keith and Martha Crawford  wrote: Hi all

I hate to revisit this topic but here it goes.


I am to that point where I need that 1" x 4" x 1/8" inch 6061, I have  
called wicks, airccraft spruce, and all the local venders and  
nothing. What do I do next?
I thought about bending my own but wick doesn't have a .125 6061  
sheet "and thats the sheets!"

Any suggestions?


Keith and Martha Crawford
mar...@simerson.net
http://martha.simerson.net


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KR> aluminum

[eclarse...@aol.com]

Did you try Eastern Metals? web site is 
_http://www.easternmetal.com/contact.htm_ 
(http://www.easternmetal.com/contact.htm) 
Their stock and catalog items are in PDF but they are listing the 6063-T5  
Unequal Leg

Stock Code Size in Inches (E x M x S) Wt/Lin ft.
11-63-3952 x 4 x 1/8  0.881

11-63-405 2 x 5 x 1/8 1.031

They have a e-mail address for inquiry as well as a phone number. They are  
Alcola/Kaiser authorized mill distributors. If it's out there, they can get  it.

Ed Larsen 
Larsen Airpark (43G)
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KR> aluminum

[Orma Robbins]

In Highland Park MI  there is a vendor called Factory Steel.  I believe on
Oakland Ave.   I don't have the number, information may.

Orma

KR> aluminum

[Larry&Sallie Flesner]

>I am to that point where I need that 1" x 4" x 1/8" inch 6061, I have
>called wicks, airccraft spruce, and all the local venders and
>nothing. What do I do next?
>I thought about bending my own but wick doesn't have a .125 6061
>sheet "and thats the sheets!"
>Keith and Martha Crawford
+

I assume you are making brackets for the control system.
Use a piece of  1X1 and bolt an arm to that with a couple
of 3/16" bolts.  Slightly heavier but strong enough and
save the hassle of looking for the larger stock.

Larry Flesner

KR> aluminum

[Randy Smith]

Call a couple sheet metal shops and ask where they buy
there stuff. There are a few in Texas that sell 6061

--- Keith and Martha Crawford 
wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I hate to revisit this topic but here it goes.
> 
> 
> I am to that point where I need that 1" x 4" x 1/8"
> inch 6061, I have  
> called wicks, airccraft spruce, and all the local
> venders and  
> nothing. What do I do next?
> I thought about bending my own but wick doesn't have
> a .125 6061  
> sheet "and thats the sheets!"
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> Keith and Martha Crawford
> mar...@simerson.net
> http://martha.simerson.net
> 
> 
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KR> aluminum

[Mark Jones]

You need it in 6061, they have got it and they are located 10 miles from me. 
They are Speedy Metals and they cut to any size and length you need at no 
additional cutting charges. I have bought a lot from these guys. They also 
ship out the same day if your order is in early enough. Here is the link to 
their web page. http://www.speedymetals.com/c-6825-6061.aspx

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- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Smith" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: KR> aluminum


> Call a couple sheet metal shops and ask where they buy
> there stuff. There are a few in Texas that sell 6061
>
> --- Keith and Martha Crawford 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I hate to revisit this topic but here it goes.
>>
>>
>> I am to that point where I need that 1" x 4" x 1/8"
>> inch 6061, I have
>> called wicks, airccraft spruce, and all the local
>> venders and
>> nothing. What do I do next?
>> I thought about bending my own but wick doesn't have
>> a .125 6061
>> sheet "and thats the sheets!"
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> Keith and Martha Crawford
>> mar...@simerson.net
>> http://martha.simerson.net
>>
>>
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>
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KR> aluminum

[Mark Jones]

Also, if you do not see it on their (Speedy Metals) web site( 
http://www.speedymetals.com/c-6825-6061.aspx )listings, give them a call as 
they most likely have what you need. I have one of their master catalogs and 
it has extensive listings compared to what is on the web site.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: KR> aluminum


> You need it in 6061, they have got it and they are located 10 miles from 
> me.
> They are Speedy Metals and they cut to any size and length you need at no
> additional cutting charges. I have bought a lot from these guys. They also
> ship out the same day if your order is in early enough. Here is the link 
> to
> their web page. http://www.speedymetals.com/c-6825-6061.aspx
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
> E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Randy Smith" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> aluminum
>
>
>> Call a couple sheet metal shops and ask where they buy
>> there stuff. There are a few in Texas that sell 6061
>>
>> --- Keith and Martha Crawford 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I hate to revisit this topic but here it goes.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am to that point where I need that 1" x 4" x 1/8"
>>> inch 6061, I have
>>> called wicks, airccraft spruce, and all the local
>>> venders and
>>> nothing. What do I do next?
>>> I thought about bending my own but wick doesn't have
>>> a .125 6061
>>> sheet "and thats the sheets!"
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>> Keith and Martha Crawford
>>> mar...@simerson.net
>>> http://martha.simerson.net
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> 
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KR> aluminum

[Mark Jones]

One more thing, they have 324 eBay auctions currently going for various 6061 
items.
http://search.stores.ebay.com/SpeedyMetals-COM-1-888-744-4140_6061_W0QQfcdZ2QQfciZ5QQfclZ3QQfrtsZ60QQfsnZSpeedyMetalsQ2eCOMQ201Q2d888Q2d744Q2d4140QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQfsubZ0QQftsZ2QQsaselZ14713672QQsofpZ0

No, I don't own stock in Speedy Metals. It is just a great company to deal 
with.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "Mark Jones" ; "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: KR> aluminum


> Also, if you do not see it on their (Speedy Metals) web site( 
> http://www.speedymetals.com/c-6825-6061.aspx )listings, give them a call 
> as they most likely have what you need. I have one of their master 
> catalogs and it has extensive listings compared to what is on the web 
> site.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
> E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Jones" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> aluminum
>
>
>> You need it in 6061, they have got it and they are located 10 miles from 
>> me.
>> They are Speedy Metals and they cut to any size and length you need at no
>> additional cutting charges. I have bought a lot from these guys. They 
>> also
>> ship out the same day if your order is in early enough. Here is the link 
>> to
>> their web page. http://www.speedymetals.com/c-6825-6061.aspx
>>
>> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>> Wales, WI
>> Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
>> E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Randy Smith" 
>> To: "KRnet" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: KR> aluminum
>>
>>
>>> Call a couple sheet metal shops and ask where they buy
>>> there stuff. There are a few in Texas that sell 6061
>>>
>>> --- Keith and Martha Crawford 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> I hate to revisit this topic but here it goes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am to that point where I need that 1" x 4" x 1/8"
>>>> inch 6061, I have
>>>> called wicks, airccraft spruce, and all the local
>>>> venders and
>>>> nothing. What do I do next?
>>>> I thought about bending my own but wick doesn't have
>>>> a .125 6061
>>>> sheet "and thats the sheets!"
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keith and Martha Crawford
>>>> mar...@simerson.net
>>>> http://martha.simerson.net
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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KR> Aluminum Angle

[Dan Heath]

A little while ago, I posted a concern about the "un-availability" of 4 X 4
X 1/8" aluminum angle.  I asked Wicks.  They cannot find it in 6061-T6, but
may be able to find it in 6063-T52.  

Is this alloy acceptable for making brackets and bellcranks?  If it is, and
they supply it, I will let you know.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> Aluminum Angle

[Mark Langford]

Dan Heath wrote:

> A little while ago, I posted a concern about the "un-availability" of 4 X
4
> X 1/8" aluminum angle.  I asked Wicks.  They cannot find it in 6061-T6,
but
> may be able to find it in 6063-T52.
>
> Is this alloy acceptable for making brackets and bellcranks?  If it is,
and
> they supply it, I will let you know.

We had this conversation about a week ago.  I would not use 6063-anything as
a replacement for 6061-T6 (or T651) on any structural part of a KR.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> ALUMINUM TYPES PROPERTIES

[Larry H.]

I have been thinking about a Diehl style landing gear made from aluminum 
instead of fiberglass. I am not sure of the cost difference, or weight 
difference. Right now I am researching the differences. Below is a list of 
different aluminum alloys. Hope all this stays lined up. I thought some of you 
may be interested in this. I think the Diehl fiberglass main gear are close to 
4 lbs each and 24" long.  The weights below are per cubic inch.
Larry H.

  2024T3  2024-T361 
2024-T6  7075  7075-T6/T651 

Weight/cubic inch  0.1 lb 0.1 lb
  0.1 lb 0.102 lb0.102  lb  

Ultimate Tensile Strength 7psi 72000psi  61900psi   
 33000psi  83000psi

Tensile Yield Strength  5psi 57000psi  5psi 
   15000psi  73000psi

Elongation at break  18%  13%   
 5%   17%   11%

Shear Strength  41000psi 42000psi  
41000psi 22000psi  48000psi

Annealing Temperature775 F   775F 775F  
   775F 775F

KR> aluminum tanks

[Colin Rainey]

Remember that Dana didn't weld those tanks, but rather riveted and then sloshed 
those tanks.
They were for Mark Jones and details are on his website...


Colin Rainey
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Lending Solutions in All 50 States
386-673-6814 office
407-739-0834 cell
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KR> aluminum tanks

[Mark Jones]

Nope they are not sloshed but are sealed at every seam and over every rivet
with Pro Seal.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
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- Original Message - 
From: "Colin Rainey" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: KR> aluminum tanks


> Remember that Dana didn't weld those tanks, but rather riveted and then
sloshed those tanks.
> They were for Mark Jones and details are on his website...
>
>
> Colin Rainey
> First National Mortgage Sources
> Lending Solutions in All 50 States
> 386-673-6814 office
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KR> Aluminum T stock

[Steven Phillabaum]

Hello net,
This is for those whom built there Hinge system using Dr. Deans Hinges.

I am looking for a piece of T stock for use in the Dr. Dean hinge control horn. 
 I made mine out of channel but did not permanently attach it. I would like to 
use the correct item.  I have searched the archieve and found a reference to 
McMaster but they sell it in 8 foot length. and, it is 1.5" by 7/8". Guess I 
could use the leftover as another sanding stick. I already have sanding sticks 
and don't want anymore. But I wonder if anyone has a section they could put in 
the mail and send to me.  

In the rigging stage of the fuselage and my procrastination is going to catch 
up with me. I need to mount my Horizontal Stab.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Aluminum T stock

[Mark Jones]

Steve,
It is almost impossible to find 6061-T6 in T-bar. Especially in 1"
required for the rudder and elevator horns. I bought some at the local
Ace hardware where you can get it in three foot lengths. It is not 6061
but it has shown no signs of wear after 70 flight hours. No need to
flame me guys for using something other than 6061. If you are afraid to
use it, then don't. It is your decision.  Check your local Ace Hardware
stores.

Mark Jones (N886MJ) 
Wales, WI 
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Email: mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com 



-Original Message-
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[mailto:krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steven
Phillabaum
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:02 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Aluminum T stock


Hello net,
This is for those whom built there Hinge system using Dr. Deans Hinges.

I am looking for a piece of T stock for use in the Dr. Dean hinge
control horn.  I made mine out of channel but did not permanently attach
it. I would like to use the correct item.  I have searched the archieve
and found a reference to McMaster but they sell it in 8 foot length.
and, it is 1.5" by 7/8". Guess I could use the leftover as another
sanding stick. I already have sanding sticks and don't want anymore. But
I wonder if anyone has a section they could put in the mail and send to
me.  

In the rigging stage of the fuselage and my procrastination is going to
catch up with me. I need to mount my Horizontal Stab.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

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KR> Aluminum T stock

[Dennis Mingear]

Why not use 2 pieces of L stock, back to back, to make
the T stock item you need.

Denny ...

--- Mark Jones  wrote:

> Steve,
> It is almost impossible to find 6061-T6 in T-bar.
> Especially in 1"
> required for the rudder and elevator horns. I bought
> some at the local
> Ace hardware where you can get it in three foot
> lengths. It is not 6061
> but it has shown no signs of wear after 70 flight
> hours. No need to
> flame me guys for using something other than 6061.
> If you are afraid to
> use it, then don't. It is your decision.  Check your
> local Ace Hardware
> stores.
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ) 
> Wales, WI 
> Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com
> Email: mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr@mylist.net
>
[mailto:krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Steven
> Phillabaum
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:02 AM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> Aluminum T stock
> 
> 
> Hello net,
> This is for those whom built there Hinge system
> using Dr. Deans Hinges.
> 
> I am looking for a piece of T stock for use in the
> Dr. Dean hinge
> control horn.  I made mine out of channel but did
> not permanently attach
> it. I would like to use the correct item.  I have
> searched the archieve
> and found a reference to McMaster but they sell it
> in 8 foot length.
> and, it is 1.5" by 7/8". Guess I could use the
> leftover as another
> sanding stick. I already have sanding sticks and
> don't want anymore. But
> I wonder if anyone has a section they could put in
> the mail and send to
> me.  
> 
> In the rigging stage of the fuselage and my
> procrastination is going to
> catch up with me. I need to mount my Horizontal
> Stab.
> 
> Steven Phillabaum
> KR2S; 5048; corvair;
> Auburn, Alabama
> 
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KR> Aluminum T stock

[Steven Phillabaum]

Thanks for all the replies concerning the T-Stock. Al is going to help me out. 
maybe it wont be long now.
Of Steven


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Aluminum T stock

[Dean Cooper]

Steven wrote:
> I am looking for a piece of T stock for use in the Dr. Dean hinge control 
> horn

Steven,

I searched for months to try and find some and couldn't (in any reasonable 
length to ship).  If it weren't for Brian making us some on his milling 
machine, I still wouldn't have them.  Using two pieces of angle back to back 
like Dennis mentioned will work fine as well.  Good luck.


Dean Cooper
Jacksonville, FL  USA
Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
See Corvair powered KR Project at 
www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html 

KR> Aluminum barstock

[Brian Kraut]

You might also want to check with Grove.  They normally sell their gear
already made, but I am sure that they have the material and would sell a
piece.  For legs that are not bent you might even find out that they can cut
it to the shape and size you want and radius the corners for a reasonable
price.



Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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[mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Don
Chisholm
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:42 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Aluminum barstock


Thanks people for the input I got some good leads.Stuff like that is hard to
locate here in Canada as some grades are not manufactured here and
must be imported from the good old U.S of A. You guys have everything
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KR> Aluminum barstock

[M & C]

I've still got the old spring bar for the oringal retracks so I plan to just 
cut it into and use it. The oringal bar was designed to handle the landing 
loads so it it should handle any loads imposed on it in a fixed gear 
position. I've never heard of one breaking??
Commits or suggestions welcome.

Mike Turner
Jackson, Missouri
Swing the prop and light the fire, dance amoung the stars.N642MC
- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Kraut" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Aluminum barstock


> You might also want to check with Grove.  They normally sell their gear
> already made, but I am sure that they have the material and would sell a
> piece.  For legs that are not bent you might even find out that they can 
> cut
> it to the shape and size you want and radius the corners for a reasonable
> price.
>
>
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Don
> Chisholm
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:42 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> Aluminum barstock
>
>
> Thanks people for the input I got some good leads.Stuff like that is hard 
> to
> locate here in Canada as some grades are not manufactured here and
> must be imported from the good old U.S of A. You guys have everything
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KR> aluminum bar stock

[Doug Rupert]

Don there is a place in Mississauga that sells aircraft grade aluminum =
just
off Dixie Road. I'll go through my receipts and see if I can get you the
address. In the meantime call Leavens and ask them where they get it
locally.
Doug Rupert

I'm looking for aluminum bar stock for landing gear legs, up here in the
frozen
north pickings are slim. Aircraft Spruce has  3/4 inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 =
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I'm looking for 1 inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 or 7075 T6.
Any suggestions?
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KR> aluminum bar stock

[Don Chisholm]

I'm looking for aluminum bar stock for landing gear legs, up here in the frozen
north pickings are slim. Aircraft Spruce has  3/4 inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 but 
I'm looking for 1 inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 or 7075 T6.
Any suggestions?

KR> aluminum bar stock

[Scott William]

http://www.imsmetals.com/


Scott

--- Don Chisholm  wrote:

> I'm looking for aluminum bar stock for landing gear
> legs, up here in the frozen
> north pickings are slim. Aircraft Spruce has  3/4
> inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 but 
> I'm looking for 1 inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 or 7075 T6.
> Any suggestions?
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KR> aluminum bar stock

[Orma]

There is a place in Highland Park Michigan called Factory Steel.  They sell 
all kinds of metals.  I don't have a number.  I don't know if they ship.

Orma 

KR> aluminum bar stock

[Mark Jones]

Speedy MetalsMilwaukee, WI. is a great source for aluminum. 
1-888-744-4140

They also sell quite a lot on eBay:
http://stores.ebay.ca/SPEEDY-METALS-1-888-744-4140

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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KR> aluminum bar stock

[Martha Crawford]

Don
I have a set of aluminum legs. I have be thinking of making my one 
composite legs.
I mite be willing to part with them.

I will be gone for the weakend If you are interested Email me off line
Keith Crawford
Lansing MI
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NOW  from st.-johns MI

KR> aluminum bar stock

[Brian Kraut]

Try Dillsburg Aeroplane Works in Dillsburg, PA.  That is where most of the
catalog houses get their metal from.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
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Behalf Of Don Chisholm
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 6:31 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> aluminum bar stock


I'm looking for aluminum bar stock for landing gear legs, up here in the
frozen
north pickings are slim. Aircraft Spruce has  3/4 inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 but
I'm looking for 1 inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 or 7075 T6.
Any suggestions?
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KR> Aluminum barstock

[Don Chisholm]

Thanks people for the input I got some good leads.Stuff like that is hard to 
locate here in Canada as some grades are not manufactured here and
must be imported from the good old U.S of A. You guys have everything

KR> Aluminum Push Rods

[sp...@sbcglobal.net]

Hello group,

Does anyone know a supplier that sells aluminum push rods that are threaded 
on each end so that I can use it for my elevator?

Steve

KR> Aluminum Push Rods

[Mark Langford]

Steve wrote:

> Does anyone know a supplier that sells aluminum push rods that are
threaded on each end so that I can use it for my elevator?

You can make your own using tubing from Wicks and AN490 "rod ends", which
can slide inside the tubing and can be riveted in place to make whatever you
need. They are threaded, and come in a variety of diameters for different
tubing, mostly .035" wall.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> Aluminum Push Rods

[Jim Mullen]

Aluminum Push rods,

I work at Tyee Aircraft, Inc, in Everett Washington, as making tubes is how
we make earn our living and I will be making my own elevator push rod.

We use rotary swaging machines to taper the ends of the tubing where threads
can be added. Mine will be made from 1.250 OD x .035 Wall 2024-T3, heat
treated to T42 after forming, this will produce a push rod compression
allowable of around 300 pounds at 90.00 inches long, no sense in being
stronger than I am.

Mark's suggestion is how the RV push rods are made and it's pretty simple;
seems to me I read an EAA sport magazine article within the last year
showing how to do it as well.

For my own push rod, I know Swaging with (Rotary dies) a taper leading to a
reduced diameter on the end so that a mating thread for the rod end can be
added, will result in lower weight and improve the fatigue strength of the
rod.  Estimated weight savings is around 3 tenths of a pound, not a lot
really, but it all adds up.

If there is any interest, I could make others at the same time 

Anyone interested should send me a email off line, with what you need,
length and thread size in the ends, if you know the lever arm of the control
stick, I am figuring 75 pounds forward force for my mine, factor that by the
mechanical advantage, if its less than 300 then 1.25 x .035 should work

I could then purchase the aluminum tubing in one lot, might save some money
and have the ends swaged up, trimmed and tapped as needed


Push rod, Boat compete and on wheels, tail surfaces in work

Jim Mullen
Everett Washington

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Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:01 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Aluminum Push Rods

Hello group,

Does anyone know a supplier that sells aluminum push rods that are
threaded on each end so that I can use it for my elevator?

Steve










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KR>aluminum wing tanks

[Mark Langford]

Phil Matheson wrote:

> What about making or get made,  Aluminium tanks and slide it in and glue
in
> some brackets?
> or some round long tanks forward of the main spars on the outer wings.

We had this conversation last September.  Allen G. Wiesner mentioned that
source of thin-wall aluminum irrigation pipe would make a dandy tank (it
comes in 2-12" diameters), and I think Larry Flesner came up with inserting
anti-sloshing baffles made of aluminum discs skewered through a small center
tube.  That's probably what I'll do when I add fuel to my wings.

There are more details in the KRnet search engine, found at
http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/search , using "irrigation" as the keyword.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

KR>aluminum wing tanks

[bearlk...@aol.com]

the irrigation pipe idea sounds like the spar tank in my AA1 Yankee.  If you 
want a copy of the baffle and tank layout , I will scan it and post it. The 
system has some drawbacks involving no fuel in a stall spin, but you guys can 
beat that with a bit of 
improvement.
Bob Polgreen

KR> - Aluminum extruded tube

[larry flesner]

>I have purchased quite a bit of aluminum tubing from both AS and Wicks. 
>Look in the on-line catalog. 
>Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
++

Doesn't Wick's have an outlet in Europe somewhere that they 
would / could ship from and make the purchase less expensive?

Larry Flesner

KR> Aluminum Speed Brake?

[Brian Kraut]

Another good way to set rivets when they are near an edge is with a vise.  I
use my milling machine vise that has hardened smooth jaws that are perfectly
parallel.  If you are using a standard bench vise with rough jaws you need
to get some flat steel bar stock on the jaws.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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Behalf Of Dana Overall
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 6:50 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Speed Brake?


Mark, I'll not address the thickness for you to use as Scott has posted a
very extensive analysis of the various qualities of each.  I will however
post this on the net, instead of as a private email.  Solid rivets can be
set using a piece of flat stock steel and hammer.  Hinges on my current
project or countersunk to accept the skin dimple then attached using AN3
rivets, which are 5/32.  Very, very easy to set.  There is a saying, "your
worst rivet is 90% as strong as your best".  Go ahead and whack them with a
hammer.

Mark, when you make your final determination, and I recommend thinner and
use stiffiners, measure the brake and hinge configuration, let me know and
I'll send you the proper size rivets.





Dana Overall
1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
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KR> Aluminum Speed Brake? Weight Calculator formula

[Scott Cable]

Mark,
To Calculate how much your Aluminum Speed Brake will
weigh use the following:
Calculate the volume of your part by multiplying
length x width x thickness
Then multiply the sum by .105
Which is the density of aluminum plus a correction
factor for fabrication (rivets, primer, etc.)
Once you have calulated the base weight,
calculate the volume of each hole using
Pi x Radius squared x Height (thickness)x .105
Multiply this value by the number of holes you plan on
removing.  Subtract this sum from the base weight.

so: (6 x 36 x .125)x.105=2.835 (Base)
3.1416 x .140625 x .125 x .105 =0.0058(.75 hole)
.0058 x 18 = 0.1044 (hole total)
and 2.835-0.1044= 2.7306 lbs (Base minus holes)

  If you are using 6061-T6, it is 80% weaker than the
same thickness 7075-T6. 7075-T6 has a much higher
yeild strength, and fatigue allowable.

6061-T6 is excellent for welding, however, it will
revert back to "O" condition in the vincinity of the
weld.  The part could be re-heat treated, but it will
revert to condition T-62.  Re-heat treatment cannot
restore the T6 properties.

This .125 flat panel weighs more than twice that of a
larger sized .040 panel w/stiffeners would weigh.
 It has more unsupported panel area, and doesn't have
nearly the "I" (as in MC/I, which is the basic
engineering formula for bending) that a fabricated
panel would have.

Do what you want, but please realize that a flat plate
will:
1. Weigh more
2. Not be as strong
3. Probably fatigue crack from the panel buckling
under the air loads and buffet loads.
  Even though you're adding holes in to the speed
brake, those very holes that you've added to reduce
weight and decrease the deployed area with, are going
to cause drag when the speed brake is stowed, and they
could cause some unwanted handling characteristic.

Hope this helps. 


=
Scott Cable
KR-2S # 735
Wright City, MO
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KR> Aluminum Speed Brake

[Mark Jones]

I have searched the archives on "aluminum speed brake" and only got eight 
results. I am going to install an aluminum speed brake with three rows of 3/4" 
diameter holes. I am planning on a 9" x 36" size. My question is...what 
thickness 6061-T6 aluminum should I use? The only reference I have found stated 
.060 but personally, I think that is way too thin. I was more inclined to 1/4". 
What do you guys think? Thanks

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA 
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
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KR> Aluminum Speed Brake

[Brian Kraut]

Most aluminum ones I have seen are from .090 to .125.  I think 1/4" is way
overkill.  .060 may work for a very small speed brake, but that seems thin
for a 9" brake unless you had some stiffeners rivited in.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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Behalf Of Mark Jones
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:06 PM
To: KR Net
Subject: KR> Aluminum Speed Brake


I have searched the archives on "aluminum speed brake" and only got eight
results. I am going to install an aluminum speed brake with three rows of
3/4" diameter holes. I am planning on a 9" x 36" size. My question is...what
thickness 6061-T6 aluminum should I use? The only reference I have found
stated .060 but personally, I think that is way too thin. I was more
inclined to 1/4". What do you guys think? Thanks

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html

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KR> Aluminum Speed Brake

[Jack Cooper]

Mark
  Just my uneducated guess is that .125 would be plenty thick enough. I'm
not that far along yet but that is what I plan to use if I use a speed
brake.  I also searched 27 years of newsletters and on page 67 found some
info about speed brake.1/4" plywood was used in the one on the drawing.

Jack Cooper


> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Jones 
> To: KR Net 
> Date: 5/12/2004 7:04:58 PM
> Subject: KR> Aluminum Speed Brake
>
> I have searched the archives on "aluminum speed brake" and only got eight
results. I am going to install an aluminum speed brake with three rows of
3/4" diameter holes. I am planning on a 9" x 36" size. My question
is...what thickness 6061-T6 aluminum should I use? The only reference I
have found stated .060 but personally, I think that is way too thin. I was
more inclined to 1/4". What do you guys think? Thanks
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA 
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
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> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
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KR> Aluminum Speed Brake

[Joseph H Horton]

Mark wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:05:45 -0500 "Mark Jones" 
writes:
> I have searched the archives on "aluminum speed brake" and only got 
> eight results. I am going to install an aluminum speed brake with 
> three rows of 3/4" diameter holes. I am planning on a 9" x 36" size. 
> My question is...what thickness 6061-T6 aluminum should I use? The 
> only reference I have found stated .060 but personally, I think that 
> is way too thin. I was more inclined to 1/4". What do you guys 
> think? Thanks

Mark- No experience here, just a couple thoughts. The 1/4" is going to be
a pretty heavy piece of metal. The .060 doesn't sound all that
unresonable. (I used that as the instrument panel.) It could have hemed
edges for some stiffness and/or some formed or applied stiffners to the
face of the brake.
Joe Horton
Coopersburg, Pa.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> Aluminum Speed Brake

[Mark Jones]

I was just at the local Ace and was checking out thickness of metals
measuring 12" x 12". I agree that 1/4 is way overkill. 1/8" will provide
superior strength. 1/16" just did not sit well with me as I could see it
bending under loads.
I am going to use 1/8" x 9" x 36". There will be three rows of 3/4" holes.
My drawing is on my computer at work but I think I placed 11 holes on the
top row, 8 in the middle row with a space in the center row for the push rod
attach point and 11 holes in the bottom row. I will pop rivet an aluminum
piano hinge to the brake and attach it to the fuselage below the main spar.
I have the manual Rand flap handle mounted to the front center of my main
spar which will actuate the brake. Thanks for your inputs.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
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- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph H Horton" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Speed Brake


> Mark wrote:
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:05:45 -0500 "Mark Jones" 
> writes:
> > I have searched the archives on "aluminum speed brake" and only got
> > eight results. I am going to install an aluminum speed brake with
> > three rows of 3/4" diameter holes. I am planning on a 9" x 36" size.
> > My question is...what thickness 6061-T6 aluminum should I use? The
> > only reference I have found stated .060 but personally, I think that
> > is way too thin. I was more inclined to 1/4". What do you guys
> > think? Thanks
>
> Mark- No experience here, just a couple thoughts. The 1/4" is going to be
> a pretty heavy piece of metal. The .060 doesn't sound all that
> unresonable. (I used that as the instrument panel.) It could have hemed
> edges for some stiffness and/or some formed or applied stiffners to the
> face of the brake.
> Joe Horton
> Coopersburg, Pa.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>
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KR> Aluminum Speed Brake?

[Scott Cable]

--- Mark Jones  wrote:
 1/8" will provide superior strength. 1/16" just did
not sit well with me as I could see it bending under
loads.
Mark,
I think you are still on the "overkill" side, even
with .060.
It would weigh: (@.125 thk =4.25 lbs)
(@.060 thk =2.04 lbs)
Consider this:
6061-T6 has a Tensile Strength of 42 KSI
7075-T6 has a Tensile Strength of 78 KSI

So probably .040 thick 7075-T6 would be more than
adequate.  The 7075-T6 is as much as 80% stonger than
the 6061-T6(when comparing same loads and
thicknesses).

Add stiffening angles to get the required stiffeness
needed to handle panel buckling.  You can achieve
expotentially higher stiffeness by adding angles, than
you could ever hope to gain by simply making the part
thicker. 
  Use solid rivets to attach the piano hinge and
stiffening angles. Commercial, hardware store "pop"
rivets are for non-flight applications. Don't use them
on your airplane.  The material they are made from is
hardly airworthy to begin with (I do not wish to get
into some big debate over this issue, so please don't
even go there!).

Probably 5/32nds spaced at 6 to 8 D (.96 to 1.28)would
suffice to attach the stiffening angles to the speed
brake panel. That means probably 8, 5/32nd fasteners
per stiffener.  This would give the attachment
capability of each stiffener approximately 4600 lbs of
shear.

Probably 5 angles minimum to break up the panel, and
hemming the edge couldn't hurt either.
  This would "break-up" the 9 x 36 inch panel into 4,
9 x 9 panels. Much smaller area when considering panel
buckling.
The stiffening angles should be (obviously) positioned
longitudinally to reduce drag when the speed brake is
in the stowed position.
 The stiffening angles probably only need to be about
.50 inch tall and attach with a .75 inch flange.
Again, probably more than overkill. The good news is
that it would only weigh approximately 1.60 lbs.
Bottom line? 1.6 lbs vs 4.25 lbs, A much lighter, and
many times over stiffer panel.

Another suggestion: make the Speed Brake with a couple
of plys of BID, and co-cure some stiffening angles
onto 
the speed brake panel.  This would weigh about half of
the .040 7075-T6 version.

=
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KR> Aluminum Speed Brake?

[Mark Jones]

Very good info Scott. However, after I drill the holes, round the corners
and possibly reduce it to 6" wide instead of 9", the weight should be more
than cut in half. I am sticking with the 1/8" 6061-T6 which will have a lot
less complexity and faster to build. Besides, I already have the aluminum
cut to size.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
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- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Cable" 

>
> --- Mark Jones  wrote:
>  1/8" will provide superior strength. 1/16" just did
> not sit well with me as I could see it bending under
> loads.
> Mark,
> I think you are still on the "overkill" side, even
> with .060.
> It would weigh: (@.125 thk =4.25 lbs)
> (@.060 thk =2.04 lbs)
> Consider this:
> 6061-T6 has a Tensile Strength of 42 KSI
> 7075-T6 has a Tensile Strength of 78 KSI
>
> So probably .040 thick 7075-T6 would be more than
> adequate.  The 7075-T6 is as much as 80% stonger than
> the 6061-T6(when comparing same loads and
> thicknesses).
>
> Add stiffening angles to get the required stiffeness
> needed to handle panel buckling.  You can achieve
> expotentially higher stiffeness by adding angles, than
> you could ever hope to gain by simply making the part
> thicker.
>   Use solid rivets to attach the piano hinge and
> stiffening angles. Commercial, hardware store "pop"
> rivets are for non-flight applications. Don't use them
> on your airplane.  The material they are made from is
> hardly airworthy to begin with (I do not wish to get
> into some big debate over this issue, so please don't
> even go there!).
>
> Probably 5/32nds spaced at 6 to 8 D (.96 to 1.28)would
> suffice to attach the stiffening angles to the speed
> brake panel. That means probably 8, 5/32nd fasteners
> per stiffener.  This would give the attachment
> capability of each stiffener approximately 4600 lbs of
> shear.
>
> Probably 5 angles minimum to break up the panel, and
> hemming the edge couldn't hurt either.
>   This would "break-up" the 9 x 36 inch panel into 4,
> 9 x 9 panels. Much smaller area when considering panel
> buckling.
> The stiffening angles should be (obviously) positioned
> longitudinally to reduce drag when the speed brake is
> in the stowed position.
>  The stiffening angles probably only need to be about
> .50 inch tall and attach with a .75 inch flange.
> Again, probably more than overkill. The good news is
> that it would only weigh approximately 1.60 lbs.
> Bottom line? 1.6 lbs vs 4.25 lbs, A much lighter, and
> many times over stiffer panel.
>
> Another suggestion: make the Speed Brake with a couple
> of plys of BID, and co-cure some stiffening angles
> onto
> the speed brake panel.  This would weigh about half of
> the .040 7075-T6 version.
>
> =
> Scott Cable
> KR-2S # 735
> Wright City, MO
> s2cab...@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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KR> Aluminum Speed Brake?

[Dana Overall]

Mark, I'll not address the thickness for you to use as Scott has posted a 
very extensive analysis of the various qualities of each.  I will however 
post this on the net, instead of as a private email.  Solid rivets can be 
set using a piece of flat stock steel and hammer.  Hinges on my current 
project or countersunk to accept the skin dimple then attached using AN3 
rivets, which are 5/32.  Very, very easy to set.  There is a saying, "your 
worst rivet is 90% as strong as your best".  Go ahead and whack them with a 
hammer.

Mark, when you make your final determination, and I recommend thinner and 
use stiffiners, measure the brake and hinge configuration, let me know and 
I'll send you the proper size rivets.





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KR>aluminum kit

[skp...@charter.net]

I have an excell list for all parts as listed on the plans 
and in the specs.  The list includes part number and page 
number for ordering from wicks.  Of course the list is as 
always 90% complete.  I'll post it to the net if anyone 
thinks it will help

Steve Phillabaum
Auburn Alabama
Still Planning.

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:03:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
  "Dan Heath"  wrote:
>I said that I would try to find the parts for the 
>aluminum kit.  I have
>exhausted all my resources and cannot find anything like 
>that.  Isn't that
>sad?  I guess the only way to do it is to go through the 
>plans and write
>down all the required aluminum sizes and types and add it 
>up.
>
>Sorry, 
>  
>N64KR
>  
>Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>  
>da...@kr-builder.org
>  
>See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering
>  
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KR>aluminum kit

[Ray Fuenzalida]

Please post the parts list.  I have a partially
completed one and am still getting it together in my
mind before I actually begin work.  Any info helps. 
Thanks.
Ray
--- skp...@charter.net wrote:
> I have an excell list for all parts as listed on the
> plans 
> and in the specs.  The list includes part number and
> page 
> number for ordering from wicks.  Of course the list
> is as 
> always 90% complete.  I'll post it to the net if
> anyone 
> thinks it will help
> 
> Steve Phillabaum
> Auburn Alabama
> Still Planning.
> 
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:03:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard
> Time)
>   "Dan Heath"  wrote:
> >I said that I would try to find the parts for the 
> >aluminum kit.  I have
> >exhausted all my resources and cannot find anything
> like 
> >that.  Isn't that
> >sad?  I guess the only way to do it is to go
> through the 
> >plans and write
> >down all the required aluminum sizes and types and
> add it 
> >up.
> >
> >Sorry, 
> >  
> >N64KR
> >  
> >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> >  
> >da...@kr-builder.org
> >  
> >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering
> >  
> >See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the
> pic
> >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org
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> >http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
> 
> 
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KR>Aluminum Spreadsheet

[skp...@charter.net]

Mark I sent you my spreadsheet for you to HTLM to the net. 
 Wondering if you got it.  Note if it makes it to the net 
remember. Firewall forward is left off. and the old hinge 
style is used not Dr. Deans.  Of course you will still 
need to make horns if you use Dr. Deans method.

P.S. I have a steel list and bolt list in the edit mode.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR>Aluminum list posted!

[Mark Langford]

Steven's aluminum list for the KR2 and KR2S has been posts.  The html file
is at
http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr_aluminum.html and the excel file is at
http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr_aluminum.xls .  It gives an error, but it still
works, at least for me it did.

Thanks a lot Steven.  There are a lot of other lists like this that would
save a lot of folks a lot of effort.  I've said for years that I was going
to post a cutout drawing of how to get the most efficient use out of the
aircraft grade plywood sheets, but I've yet to come across the one I did.
It took hours to do, and I'm sure others have done one, so even if it's just
a sketch (which is what mine was), scan it and send it to me and I'll post
it (or mail me a hard copy and I'll scan it).  Anything else you guys can
think of, I'll be happy to post to the same place...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
N56ML at hiwaay.net
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

KR>Aluminum list posted!

[Ray Fuenzalida]

Appreciate the list guys.


Mark Langford  wrote:
Steven's aluminum list for the KR2 and KR2S has been posts. The html file
is at
http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr_aluminum.html and the excel file is at
http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr_aluminum.xls . It gives an error, but it still
works, at least for me it did.

Thanks a lot Steven. There are a lot of other lists like this that would
save a lot of folks a lot of effort. I've said for years that I was going
to post a cutout drawing of how to get the most efficient use out of the
aircraft grade plywood sheets, but I've yet to come across the one I did.
It took hours to do, and I'm sure others have done one, so even if it's just
a sketch (which is what mine was), scan it and send it to me and I'll post
it (or mail me a hard copy and I'll scan it). Anything else you guys can
think of, I'll be happy to post to the same place...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
N56ML at hiwaay.net
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford



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KR>Aluminum list posted!

[Paolo Cavazzuti]

Thanks a lot to Steven and Mark and to the ones who answered the
aluminum question!

Paolo Cavazzuti
Modena, Italy.
e-mail: sapiddomann...@yahoo.it


>From Mark Langford:

Steven's aluminum list for the KR2 and KR2S has been posts.  The html

file
is at


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Kr>Aluminum Kit/WOOPS

[boeing757me...@aol.com]

Can any send me a list of what comes in the aluminum kit?

Chris Theroux
Gilbert, AZ

KR>Aluminum Kit/WOOPS

[Paolo Cavazzuti]

Messaggio inoltrato  
Hi Chris,
sorry if I write you out of net, but out there it seems nobody cares
for this kind of question: I've done the same one two weeks ago but
quite nobody replied... and the only info was "write Wicks"... now,
you certanly understand what for an Italy living Italian means to buy
things at the other part of the world... not cheap, not easy, not
fast! :)
I wrote RR to have some info last week, hope to have some. I'll turn
them to you, if I've success. Please, could you make the same if
you've a list?

Thanks a lot and regarards,
Paolo Cavazzuti
Modena, Italy
e-mail: sapiddomann...@yahoo.it

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Can any send me a list of what comes in the aluminum kit?

Chris Theroux
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KR>Aluminum kit

[Paolo Cavazzuti]

...well... it seems I wrot not exactly out of net... ;)
Hope nobody's feeling hurt by my words, 'cause there's nothing
personal in what I said. 
At least, hope this could help to have some info  :)

Paolo Cavazzuti
Modena, Italy
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KR>Aluminum kit

[larry flesner]

>...well... it seems I wrot not exactly out of net... ;)
>Hope nobody's feeling hurt by my words, 'cause there's nothing
>personal in what I said. 
>At least, hope this could help to have some info  :)
>Paolo Cavazzuti
+=

Paolo,

I suspect the reason you didn't get an answer is that there isn't
anyone out there that knows.  I searched Wick's, RR site, and
looked through information I was mailed from RR and nowhere
does it provide a "brakedown" of the Aluminum kit.  

I suspect you will have to contact RR and hope to get an
answer.  A better solution would be to e-mail Wick's and
ask for a brakedown of the aluminum kit.  I'd bet you get
an answer in a day or two.

Larry Flesner
Carterville, Illinois

KR>Aluminum kit

[larry severson]

>There was a company that made the aluminum parts, but they stopped making 
>them 10 years ago. No one is currently making these parts. Builder gets 
>the fun(?).

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com 

KR>Aluminum kit

[jsmon...@aol.com]

Les Palmer I believe is making quite a few of the parts and is listed on the 
KRNET website as a vendor but his phone prefix is wrong.Here is the right 
number 972-241-4387

John Monday
KR2S
Laguna Beach, CA
>There was a company that made the aluminum parts, but they stopped making 
>them 10 years ago. No one is currently making these parts. Builder gets 
>the fun(?).

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com 


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Kr>Aluminum Kit

[boeing757me...@aol.com]

Im not interested in the parts themselves. I want the material inventory 
list you should have gotten when you ordered the kit. I am going to dig though 
the bin at work to see what I can find there. I know we have the stuff but 
its a matter of looking for it. I dont want to look for one piece at a time, If 
I find 5 foot of U channel 6061 T-6 .125 and I cut off a foot to make a part 
and put the rest back, then I find out later that I need more I'll have to go 
on a treasure hunt for it again. If I know I'll need 5 feet total then Ill keep 
in in my box.

I sure some one out there has this list, If not i'll be hunting one peice at 
a time.

Thanks,

 Chris Theroux
Gilbert, AZ

Kr>Aluminum Kit

[Gavin Donohoe]

I asked the same question but nobody could/would help me so I sat down one
night and worked it all out ( took ages). There is no list that comes with
the plans!!! I just went through the drawing book and listed the
materials for each drawing, and then went back over it to get totals of the
same size materials  needed. Sorry I've misplaced mine since then.

Gavin
Australia
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Subject: Kr>Aluminum Kit


> Im not interested in the parts themselves. I want the material
inventory
> list you should have gotten when you ordered the kit. I am going to dig
though
> the bin at work to see what I can find there. I know we have the stuff but
> its a matter of looking for it. I dont want to look for one piece at a
time, If
> I find 5 foot of U channel 6061 T-6 .125 and I cut off a foot to make a
part
> and put the rest back, then I find out later that I need more I'll have to
go
> on a treasure hunt for it again. If I know I'll need 5 feet total then Ill
keep
> in in my box.
>
> I sure some one out there has this list, If not i'll be hunting one peice
at
> a time.
>
> Thanks,
>
>  Chris Theroux
> Gilbert, AZ
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KR>aluminum kit

[Dan Heath]

I said that I would try to find the parts for the aluminum kit.  I have
exhausted all my resources and cannot find anything like that.  Isn't that
sad?  I guess the only way to do it is to go through the plans and write
down all the required aluminum sizes and types and add it up.

Sorry, 

N64KR

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

da...@kr-builder.org

See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering

See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic
See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org