but it might be worth
considering that your students might have been damaged by a
previous experience.
Happened to me with one: it appeared she could not bear at all with undoing.
If I had known I would have fiddled something but even the first time
appeared to be fatal. Lesson learnt by me:
I would say 'callifudge' as long as the finished result looks right, if not,
then can you 'live' with it??? After all it is the finished piece that
matters.
Maureen
- Original Message -
From: Sue Duckles s...@duckles.me.uk
To: Joy Beeson joybee...@comcast.net
Cc: Arachne List email
Well there is so little to do on the Honiton piece, you could finish that
very quickly. How about that one after you have finished the piece of
'christmas' lace.
Anbd personally I like more than one piece on the go at a time, it gives you
chance to move around.
Maureen
E Yorks
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To
Sometimes you have to live with an inperfect sample as long as the planned
piece is perfect. After all, there is no point in keep undoing a sample
and being put off for ever. It is a case of a 'happy medium' and I would
rather have lacemakers making lace than lose them (after all they
Just before my lessons stopped I began learning to make Flanders lace and
worked a couple of strips of the different ground. After I took the pins
out I found an error but by then I was at the bottom and had been cutting it
off. I have left that in my folder to remind myself of how to work it
I was on jury duty about 6 years ago, and brought my lace with me. At that
point, I hadn't touched it for literally 10 years...spent most of my time
undoing the mistakes I kept making, rather than progressing. But it was fun.
I
didn't have scissors, as I was in the middle of a piece, so didn't
Last Thursday I finished the Isis Heart I started in Ithaca. GEEZ!!! Are the
mistakes ever glaring. But it was a VERY good learning piece. Thanks,
Jacquie!
Doodling while waiting for Beloved to get off work yesterday I came
up with a
tape lace heart that spirals in on itself. Thought it
Wow! After reading these horror stories, I feel doubly blessed to have had
such
a good teacher.
There were supposed to be two of us in the class,
but the other woman dropped
out due to having to work. So I got the benefit
of having a one-on-one
experience. My teacher, Lynn Swedenborg,
Sometimes you have to live with an inperfect sample as long
as the planned piece is perfect.
After all, there is no point in keep undoing a sample
and being put off for ever.
Maureen
I totaly agree. I just had to learn that some people are putt off very very
quickly. My patience did
tallies in reverse: They had all just watched her struggle!
***
In the yarn
and thread shop yesterday, I saw the same thing. The woman wanted a project,
but was tired of seaming sweaters (repeated several times), so they turned her
onto socks, but she didn't know how to do the CO (which would be
I think there are two things to be noted here. The first is that we all
bring baggage to whatever we do, and such baggage does not necessarily show
on the outside. Some women, much, much more so than men, tend to take
criticism personally, so in criticizing their lace, you are criticizing
When the pupil won't wear the glasses she needs to see the lace (even though
they have been prescribed for her, and she owns them) and won't practise
between lessons (so that she can remember what the three basic stitches are)
then it is no longer the teacher's fault, however willing the
Susan,
I don't knit, so don't understand the terms you used with the woman you so
kindly helped in the store, but I do understand her frustration. This is how
I have felt while trying to do lace, but I have two teachers who have the
patience of Job (like you demonstrated to the woman you met
We are adult learners. Surely learning lace 'live' is two-way, both
teacher and student!
I'd hate to think the onus for success/progress is entirely on the teacher!
(sometimes one's only teacher appears as a book ;)
On 10/29/11, Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote:
accordingly. After
Fellow Arachnids,
I am interested in what you all think about the colored
diagrams that accompany much published lace. I was struck by the phrase
which is sort of paint by numbers in a recent post. The full quote is It
has colored diagrams for the whole thing, which is sort of paint by
I was thinking about a lace class that I was in where we had a woman who
was an adjunct professor at a local college where she taught Nutrition. One
really began to feel for the plight of the adjunct professor after being in
a class with her. But one thing that struck me was that she said a
From: Jo yhgr@xs4all.nl
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Happened to me with one: it appeared she could not bear at all with undoing.
If I had known I would have fiddled something but even the first time
appeared to be fatal. Lesson learnt by me: _allways_ ask do you want to
live
I've just read this one out to hubby and his response ' Well, Yeh'
This
is like the lady I tried to teach to make lace who didn't like spangling (ok
you can buy them ready done), didn't like pricking patterns (it does help to
understand them but you can buy them on card and prick as you go)
Maybe I should change that to truly willing pupil. And there are extremes at
each end. A stone on one end, and at the other, someone who teaches herself
without a book, although I've never heard of such.
Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where it's still snowing.
-Original
This is for those who would like to sew clothing from lace yardage
(machine-made) and those interested in opera costuming.
The North American magazine Threads, Nov. 2011 # 157, has a cover
illustration of red lace. I bought it at Barnes Noble book store, where you
can find a chair
Lacemaking is a hobby, the diagrams are useful and in some cases
necessary. For some laces, such as Binche, I for one am married to the
diagram g
Sometimes, if convenient, I use the diagram as the pricking!
I like it when I don't need a diagram, it is a feeling of freedom but
I'd be lost without
From: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com
full quote is It has colored diagrams
for the whole thing, which is sort of paint by numbers,
but if you think about
what you are doing, and try to figure out why it is
planned that way, you
learn a lot. I agree with everything said except that
paint-by-numbers
Nancy
I agree with you that diagrams are very useful. I would even say they are
essential for learning and working the more complex laces such as Flanders,
Binche and Valenciennes. And more, for those of us who usually learn from
books instead of live teachers, good diagrams are absolutely
My lace teacher was a stickler for details - which is good up to a point.
However, one day while she was watching me working on my second project (a
bookmark), she saw me continue to take pins from the pin cushion rather than
from higher up on the piece and she slapped my hands. She said she
I think we are 'cheating' a little. On the other hand, we aren't spending
time in the convent learning a lace pattern we will make for the rest of our
lives, either. Making yardage, you learn the pattern from the diagram, but
after some repeats, the number depending on the complexity, you
Yes, Lorelei! I've always felt like the diagram was a diagrammatic version of
a computer algorithm.
Nancy
Connecticut
...Using a diagram is more like using a tutorial that comes with a computer
program, or using the help function that is embedded in the
In teaching over the decades, I have found that you have to accommodate the
learning ability of the student, and that means presenting the same concept,
different ways. I believe we covered this more recently, and Liz? gave some
pertinent details, but simply stated, some process right brained,
Jo yhgr@xs4all.nl wrote:
Lesson learnt by me: _allways_ ask do you want to live with an imperfect
sample? After a few times you know the attitude.-
My teacher always said, If it was me She told us if the problem was
close enough that we didn't mind going back that far, by all
I have one more teacher horror story, from a workshop not lessons. One member
of my guild is blind from birth, but she makes great lace. A guild member
pricks her pattern and she turns it upside down. The pinholes are bumps on
that side and she can tell where each pin goes.
The group hired
- Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am interested in what you all think about the colored diagrams that accompany
much published lace. I was struck by the phrase which is sort of paint by
numbers in a recent post.-
I have come across this attitude before. Holly Van Sciver
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