Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 2017-01-17 20:01, wkitty42--- via Lazarus wrote: > sometimes too much is too much ;) +1 :) Regards, Graeme -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Tue, January 17, 2017 2:22 am, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: > On 2017-01-16 20:18, Lars via Lazarus wrote: > >> GUI's require wrappers. >> > > No they don't. > Sane GUI programming requires wrappers... Insane programmers will program a GUI without a wrapper... ;-) > >> Delphi 5 as

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 17.01.2017 10:22, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: Yes, Delphi's VCL is a wrapper around the common Win32 widgets. LCL is a wrapper around Win32, Qt, Cocoa, Carbon and even fpGUI. And for ease of use as well Delphi as Lazarus come with an IDE that is a combination of source code

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 16.01.2017 21:24, Lars via Lazarus wrote: Except when you find a bug in the lcl, and have to dig in to it.. I don't suppose Lazrus is so bad that it can't be used for the simple programs the students will start with when learning programming :-):-):-). -Michael --

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Mon, January 16, 2017 3:19 am, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote: > On 15.01.2017 15:30, Martin Vahi via Lazarus wrote: > >> have came to a conclusion that GUI-s are inherently something that >> require "dynamic programming" or the code gets really bloated. >> >> > The nice thing about Lazarus

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Sunday 15 January 2017 15:30:44 Martin Vahi via Lazarus wrote: > > I haven't used Lazarus yet, I need to learn it, > but during the development of my own > JavaScript GUI library I have came to a conclusion > that GUI-s are inherently something that require > "dynamic programming" or the code

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 15.01.2017 15:30, Martin Vahi via Lazarus wrote: have came to a conclusion that GUI-s are inherently something that require "dynamic programming" or the code gets really bloated. The nice thing about Lazarus "RAD" paradigm is that this is completely hidden (in the library) from application

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Martin Vahi via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > Sorry for sending my previous letter about > teaching Pascal to the mailing list. > The letter was meant to be sent directly to > the Adrian De Armas, not the mailing list. > My mistake. > -- >

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Sorry for sending my previous letter about teaching Pascal to the mailing list. The letter was meant to be sent directly to the Adrian De Armas, not the mailing list. My mistake. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 10/27/2016 11:15 AM, Paul Breneman via Lazarus wrote: On 10/25/2016 11:23 AM, Travis Ayres via Lazarus wrote: So...who wants to work on a modern course outline with me? We have a lot of opinions and people willing to chime in, maybe we can do something good for the community? Some

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 10/25/2016 11:23 AM, Travis Ayres via Lazarus wrote: So...who wants to work on a modern course outline with me? We have a lot of opinions and people willing to chime in, maybe we can do something good for the community? Some suggestions: 1) As the OP wrote (in a later message) "All my

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Travis Ayres via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > So...who wants to work on a modern course outline with me? We have a lot > of opinions and people willing to chime in, maybe we can do something good > for the community? > > On Oct 25, 2016 4:03

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

So...who wants to work on a modern course outline with me? We have a lot of opinions and people willing to chime in, maybe we can do something good for the community? On Oct 25, 2016 4:03 AM, "Michael Schnell via Lazarus" < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > > > On 24.10.2016 18:11, Travis

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 24.10.2016 18:11, Travis Ayres via Lazarus wrote: With over 100 replies, we could have already written a course outline, introduction, ... It seems we have lost (or silenced) the OP long since :-( -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Martin Schreiber via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > On Monday 24 October 2016 19:53:21 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus wrote: > > > > > > My opinion is that event based programming needs special care . > > A simulation example may be useful ,

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Monday 24 October 2016 19:53:21 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus wrote: > > > My opinion is that event based programming needs special care . > A simulation example may be useful , for example , by using PetriSim > sources , adapted to Free Pascal . > The last chapter of "Programmieren macht

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:00 PM, wkitty42--- via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > On 10/24/2016 01:53 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus wrote: > >> I have the book : >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Lazarus-Complete-Guide-pascal-teachin >> g/dp/9490968021 >> ( Lazarus The

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 10/24/2016 01:53 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus wrote: I have the book : https://www.amazon.com/Lazarus-Complete-Guide-pascal-teaching/dp/9490968021 ( Lazarus The complete Guide ) i've been looking for that book off and on since i heard about it... amazon currently shows it as

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

The part I'm most interested in is using Lazarus to full effect with good architecture; I don't think the GUI portion would make a good first (or even second) course in computers/computing. I would like to see a "Software Architecture" course that used Delphi/FreePascal/Lazarus On Mon, Oct 24,

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Travis Ayres via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > With over 100 replies, we could have already written a course outline, > introduction, and some notes about events and RAD programming, maybe also > the observer pattern? > > On Oct 24, 2016 3:51

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

With over 100 replies, we could have already written a course outline, introduction, and some notes about events and RAD programming, maybe also the observer pattern? On Oct 24, 2016 3:51 AM, "Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus" < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: Am 2016-10-24 um 12:20 schrieb

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Am 2016-10-24 um 12:20 schrieb Michael Schnell via Lazarus: > On 21.10.2016 11:09, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: >> What is the use of a program? Entertainment? > Nowadays in 90% of the usage exactly this. > Maybe other usage cases are more "important", but still the money is made with

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Am 2016-10-24 um 11:57 schrieb Michael Schnell via Lazarus: > On 21.10.2016 09:51, Lars via Lazarus wrote: >> The concept of callbacks is very similar to events. > The difference is that with a callback you usually know both sides and hence how exactly it is called, > while with an event

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 21.10.2016 10:12, Lars via Lazarus wrote: Today's bloatware applications are so large no one can understand them IMHO, you did a good job to scare everybody away from even thinking about starting to try programming. So we should just stop "Teaching Pascal at College".

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 21.10.2016 11:09, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: What is the use of a program? Entertainment? Nowadays in 90% of the usage exactly this. Maybe other usage cases are more "important", but still the money is made with Entertainment. -Michael --

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 18.10.2016 17:16, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: Yes, therefore start with simple procedural (console) programs that let them have immediate success with all the elementary things that a program consists of (variables/types, loops, commands, etc.). Yep. Satisfying for a Nerd, but it

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 21.10.2016 14:05, Martin Schreiber via Lazarus wrote: Win32 API works with message queues. Happily, the application programmer does not need to know about that, as the LCL completely hides the underlying complexity. He sees the same type of "GUI"-events, independent of running on Winx

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 21.10.2016 09:51, Lars via Lazarus wrote: The concept of callbacks is very similar to events. The difference is that with a callback you usually know both sides and hence how exactly it is called, while with an event (especially when fired by the LCL on behalf of something that happens in

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 12:51 AM, Lars via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > On Mon, October 17, 2016 7:32 pm, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > One obvious point is that an "event" driven programming knowledge is a > > must to become a competent programmer . The problem is how

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Friday 21 October 2016 13:26:13 Lars via Lazarus wrote: > On Fri, October 21, 2016 2:11 am, Martin Schreiber via Lazarus wrote: > > On Friday 21 October 2016 09:51:38 Lars via Lazarus wrote: > >> I'm not so sure event driven programming is a must to become a > >> competent programmer, I would

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Fri, October 21, 2016 2:11 am, Martin Schreiber via Lazarus wrote: > On Friday 21 October 2016 09:51:38 Lars via Lazarus wrote: > >> >> I'm not so sure event driven programming is a must to become a >> competent programmer, I would have to think about that. > > "Event driven" probably means

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 03:41:49 -0600 Lars via Lazarus wrote: >[...] > The word engineer is so overloaded, that I hate it, with my guts. > > What is an engineer? A guy "who makes stuff".. which pretty much describes > every single profession. This is going

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Am 2016-10-21 um 11:28 schrieb Lars via Lazarus: > Hmmm.. I'm not so sure learning about the internals of the CPU is so good. > IMO that is computer science, whereas programming is computing science. > I was interested in how computers physically worked, before I became a > programmer. One of the

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Fri, October 14, 2016 4:42 am, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Michael Schnell via Lazarus < > lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > >> On 13.10.2016 10:20, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: >> >> >>> +1 >>> That would be the best solution. GUI

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Tue, October 18, 2016 9:16 am, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: > Am 2016-10-18 um 16:47 schrieb Michael Schnell via Lazarus: > >> If you start with complex stuff that does not yield immediate success >> (i.e. a working program that does something that might be useful) The >> students will

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Tue, October 18, 2016 7:23 am, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: > Am 2016-10-18 um 12:53 schrieb Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus: > >> Order of teaching is not so critical : As you say , write a GUI program >> for events : Say : "Now it is necessary to define what will be done for >> the

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Am 2016-10-21 um 10:08 schrieb Lars via Lazarus: > Sometimes knowing the internals and details can be a disadvantage because > instead of thinking about the abstract program you are thinking about cpu > cycles, bit popping, bit twiddling, low level API calls. How do you think about "the abstract

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Am 2016-10-21 um 09:20 schrieb Lars via Lazarus: > The issue with console mode programs is students see utterly no use for them. Why should they not? A computer is a information processing machine and GUI is not necessary to process information, it's just a cosmetic thing. The interaction of a

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Tue, October 18, 2016 4:42 am, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus wrote: > One unfortunate situation is that there is not much Pascal software for > Petri Nets processing , except the following ( which its license is very > ambiguous means not usable ) Hopefully in these situations, you can

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Mon, October 17, 2016 3:07 am, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: > On 2016-10-17 09:52, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote: > >> - do I need know how/why the GUI builder creates the code that makes a >> Button visible on a Form and my Event handler be called when a button >> is pressed ? > >

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Mon, October 17, 2016 2:52 am, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote: > On 14.10.2016 16:10, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: > >> >> In most cases they never get to the step "find out how it works". >> If it works, nobody wants to invest time anymore to look under the hood. >> So they always

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Am 2016-10-18 um 16:47 schrieb Michael Schnell via Lazarus: > If you start with complex stuff that does not yield immediate success (i.e. a working program that does something that might be useful) The students will loose interest and run away, unless they are nerds like ourselves. Yes,

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:23 AM, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > Am 2016-10-18 um 12:53 schrieb Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus: > > Order of teaching is not so critical : As you say , write a GUI program > for events : Say : "Now it is necessary to

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Am 2016-10-18 um 12:53 schrieb Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus: > Order of teaching is not so critical : As you say , write a GUI program for events : Say : "Now it is necessary to define what will be done for the events ? ... Its way is the following : Write your program parts in that way

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 1:11 AM, Michael Schnell via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > On 17.10.2016 21:05, Lars via Lazarus wrote: > >> The big issue with teaching using a RAD tool, is welding the program logic >> into the onclick events, instead of decoupling the logic in

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 17.10.2016 21:05, Lars via Lazarus wrote: The big issue with teaching using a RAD tool, is welding the program logic into the onclick events, instead of decoupling the logic in separate procedures that can be reused elsewhere. As you point out in the text this is as well a pro (easy fast

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

I'm all for this effort, and hope it leads to new and modern tutorials, books or notes that would be useful for others that use FreePascal/Lazarus to convey graphical system interactions. If there's any need to proofread such materials, I'll gladly help out! On Oct 17, 2016 6:32 PM, "Mehmet Erol

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Generally speaking: Getting confronted with the limits, imposed by lack of knowledge to your work to get a task done is a great motivation for learning. Being forced by the tutor to learn stuff you don't immediately need to get the task at hand done is a great motivation to give up.

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 2016-10-17 09:52, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote: > - do I need know how/why the GUI builder creates the code that makes a > Button visible on a Form and my Event handler be called when a button > is pressed ? Yes (I.e. do I need to be able to write the code myself > without the

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 14.10.2016 16:10, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote: In most cases they never get to the step "find out how it works". If it works, nobody wants to invest time anymore to look under the hood. So they always operate on the surface and repeat the same subobtimal programming over and over

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 14-Oct-16 17:16, Reimar Grabowski via Lazarus wrote: On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:24:04 +0100 Lukasz Sokol via Lazarus wrote: D'oh, really. D'oh, really? (fixed that for you) Answer: No (well actually the part about matlab I meant serious) Ah Matlab. Happy

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:24:04 +0100 Lukasz Sokol via Lazarus wrote: > D'oh, really. > D'oh, really? (fixed that for you) Answer: No (well actually the part about matlab I meant serious) Reminder to myself: The interwebz dozn't get sarcazm The interwebz dozn't get

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Friday 14 October 2016 13:08:13 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus wrote: > > In previous years > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/ > > was limited to Linux . MSEide+MSEgui runs on Windows and Linux from start at 1999. Since several years it runs on FreeBSD too. Martin --

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Friday 14 October 2016 10:50:28 Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote: > > With a more careful design it's absolutely possible to do "non RAD" > programs by doing "GUI units" and "business code Units" that interact > via Objects with functions, properties and events (callback-properties) . >

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 2016-10-14 12:08, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > program can not be compiled as a Lazarus program or an fpGUI program as it > is like compiling the same program by Delphi ( with required compiler > directives ) . It is necessary either use Lazarus or fpGUI programming . I am yet to see that in

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > On 2016-10-13 23:13, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus wrote: > > The problem is that you should separate your business logic and > > the GUI. With Delphi like RAD it's very difficult to do

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 2016-10-14 12:01, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: > and maybe incite them every now and again Oops, that meant to read: "...and maybe entice them..." Regards, Graeme -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 2016-10-14 09:18, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote: > The OP explained that his main purpose is to introduce more fun in the > education. That can be done by plunging into programming directly with > GUI development. So for somebody that doesn't know anything about programming, then

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 2016-10-13 23:13, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus wrote: > The problem is that you should separate your business logic and > the GUI. With Delphi like RAD it's very difficult to do that. (but it is > possible) Everything is coded in events and connected to database aware > GUI controls. (In

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 1:50 AM, Michael Schnell via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > On 14.10.2016 00:13, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus wrote: > >> >> I'm not a big fan of the RAD development way any more. (I was years ago). >> The problem is that you should separate your

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Michael Schnell via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > On 13.10.2016 10:20, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: > >> +1 >> That would be the best solution. GUI programming is based on >> fundamentals than need to be understood first. >> > > -1 !! >

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 14.10.2016 00:13, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus wrote: I'm not a big fan of the RAD development way any more. (I was years ago). The problem is that you should separate your business logic and the GUI. This is absolutely true especially when doing large systems or (embedded) systems

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 13.10.2016 10:20, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote: +1 That would be the best solution. GUI programming is based on fundamentals than need to be understood first. -1 !! The OP explained that his main purpose is to introduce more fun in the education. That can be done by plunging into

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 10/14/2016 08:28 AM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus wrote: I consider QT a very big trap . Please be careful about its license if you want to develop commercial software and also if you want to teach computer programming to the students that they will work for commercial companies . I

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > Although I use Free Pascal/Lazarus a lot (because we have a lot of > existing pascal code) I think C++ and some GUI framework like QT might be a > better option. C/C++ is the number one used

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 10/13/2016 05:13 PM, Erwin van den Bosch via Lazarus wrote: ... Another problem with the RAD way is that a lot is stored in forms (.lfm files) and it's difficult to see/notice changes to those files. They can be very big and it's difficult to see if some control is missing, for example, an

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Although I use Free Pascal/Lazarus a lot (because we have a lot of existing pascal code) I think C++ and some GUI framework like QT might be a better option. C/C++ is the number one used programming language. C/C++ code is much more portable to other systems. There are more compilers. QT has a

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 2016-10-13 21:13, Martin Collins via Lazarus wrote: > My coding is just a hobby that I enjoy, but I would like to be able to > do it well and also somehow know that I am. Unfortunately I come from a > marine (ships) background not from an IT one. No formal training in > programming. You

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Il 13/10/2016 16:48, Reimar Grabowski via Lazarus ha scritto: If you want modern, teach them Java and let the programs run on their phones or keep doing console programs and do the GUI in JS (aka web applications). ^^ I find very unlikely that civil, environmental and bio engineers will

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Darn it, sounds like Graeme is describing me! I wandered into Lazarus/Free Pascal a few years ago after enjoying writing VBA code in Excel. Admittedly I always found my (VBA) code sloppy and wrote some odd code just to make things work! My coding is just a hobby that I enjoy, but I would

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Michael Schnell via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > On 13.10.2016 15:32, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus wrote: > >> When a problem tends to be very large , Pascal is losing its power >> because of its non-standard ( actually related standards

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Thursday 13 October 2016 16:27:44 Martin Schreiber wrote: A better screenshot who shows what the binary value displays do: http://mseide-msegui.sourceforge.net/pics/rechenkunst.png Martin -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

Because there are some basic controls that use array logic (lists, combo boxes, even edit boxes when dealing with positions of characters in a string), I'd introduce the concept with the variables. If the student can make the connection between the visual controls and concept of array logic,

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:02 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > On 2016-10-13 10:04, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote: > > IMHO it's a shame, but new > > projects in Pascal seem to be declining, > > That's got nothing to do with the Object Pascal being

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 2016-10-13 10:04, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote: > IMHO it's a shame, but new > projects in Pascal seem to be declining, That's got nothing to do with the Object Pascal being modern or not (I think it is modern enough). The decline is about marketing and popularity contests, and

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 12.10.2016 20:10, Adrian De Armas via Lazarus wrote: teach how to create rich GUI Applications and to my surprise the idea was well recieved. Now I have to make suggestions about how to prepar The GUI development in Lazarus is not "modern" at all (but IMHO a *very* decent way to do a GUI).

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 2016-10-13 06:33, LacaK via Lazarus wrote: > I understand, that black/white window does not look modern. You can > introduce 2 courses: > 1. Introduction to Pascal (Object Pascal) > 2. GUI programing +1 That would be the best solution. GUI programming is based on fundamentals than need to be

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Wednesday 12 October 2016 20:10:50 Adrian De Armas via Lazarus wrote: > Today I had a meeting about doing the module more interesting to the > students. Currently we teach algorithms making console applications and > usually I receive questions like "Why don't we do something more modern?". >

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

I would also caution against starting on GUI programming too early. +1 (few years ago I have teached programing on school in our city. I am not a techaer, but school lost teacher and was not able to find someone else) I have used FreePascal + Lazarus for my courses, but we have used only

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

When I read your post ,it sent me back to read the Introduction to Nicklaus Wirth's original "Pascal user Manual and Report" where the opening paragraph says: "The development of the language Pascal is based on two principal aims. The first is to make available a language suitable to teach

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Chris Kelling via Lazarus < lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote: > I'll tell you, after years of doing top down modular programming, it took > me a little time to adjust to event driven programing. It wasn't until I > used a FOR loop on a form to collect the

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

On 10/12/2016 01:10 PM, Adrian De Armas via Lazarus wrote: Hello everyone, I am a professor of "introduction to programming". Currently we are working with matlab and c. Today I had a meeting about doing the module more interesting to the students. Currently we teach algorithms making console