Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
.Lots! I actually thought we playd ok. Clayton was probably the best midfielder on display and made som of the so-called wonderkids in Scum linup look average. White was good, and during a few periods we controlled the match. We created a few goalscoring opertuneties and limitet them to very few. Obviously there is a differance in finishing skills between the two teams - and Owens 2 goals were no short of excellent. Typical Owen for the first goal - touching the ball to the right path, surprising everybody (possibly even himself) - and the second was a snap shot as good as they get. How he managed to get that power into the shot without taking the time to swing his leg back I don't know, but that is the differance between the quality we can afford and the quality Scum posesses. Yes - it was the Scum 2nd. team, but I am sure every single Championship team would have loved to loan each and every player Scum fielded yesterday. The team we met yesterday had enough quality to walk the league we are playing in. So - a match that could have gone better and could have gone a lot worse. Would have loved to get a goal (how could NUNEZ not score), but an ok performance against a very offensive Scum reserve line-up. On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:30:59 +0300 Robert Heath rhe...@asd.edu.qa wrote: Er ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
As an overseas lister who only gets to occasionally watch Leeds the most depressing thing for me that sank in last night , and you're on a similar track to me here , is how far behind the top of the PL we are. I can't believe we beat this side last time and had honourable losses to other PL opposition - we were miles behind. I haven't thought too much about missing the heady heights Leeds reached before relegation until seeing us being dismantled last night. And yes, any of the subs they brought on last night would be very useful in a white shirt right now. On 21 September 2011 13:47, Robert Heath rhe...@asd.edu.qa wrote: .not as a Leeds fan, so much as as a football fan: The fact that one club can keep so many quality players on their books (paying them astronomical sums no doubt), and rarely play them. Michael Owen probably earns more per week than all the 11 Leeds players. And also the other side of the coin..they have the pick of the best young players from all over the world. It all goes to show that what I have said on this list before (and been shot down in flames every time) is true: Ridsdale was right.10 years ago, the gulf between the haves and have-nots in football suddenly widened to an unbridgeable chasm. Leeds needed to get themselves on the rich side of that gap, and Ridsdale saw that and gambled. But O Leary scuppered the plan, and the rest is tragic history. On a more prosaic note, I am seriously worried about Snodgrass. With Max gone, he needed to really step up, but not only was he crap last night, his attitude was atrocious. TV watchers will have seen him telling Bromby to fack off when the latter was having a go at him for not tracking back before the first goal. And what about Bromby? He always looks OK to me, and I thought he wasn't bad last night, but Grayson doesn't seem to have any faith in him. I have serious reservations about White Nunez. The former has speed and guts, but I fear lacks quality on the ball. The latter just seems to be unreliable. He produces some good stuff, and then the next time he gets the ball he will look useless. I really like Clayton, but I hope he doesn't start thinking he is Steven Gerrard. Glad to see that Brighton are playing a tough match tonight. 4 pts from our next two away games would be great! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
I thought we were poor for 60 minutes but then slightly improved with the introduction of the subs. Our defence was bad throughout - Owen and Giggs with a combined age of 103 just took the piss. I thought the game emphasised that Becchio is not an option - we had no link up play and no continuity through the team with him leading the line and we never got beyond their back 4. Playing Keogh on the left wing was a joke. Come on. Becchio is shit and we all know it. Sat in South East and was pretty unimpressed with the toe rags from Leeds that turned up for this game. 90 minutes of whos that dying on the runway etc .. I felt like going home after 10 mins. From: ei...@karlmenn.is ei...@karlmenn.is To: Robert Heath rhe...@asd.edu.qa; leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011, 7:23 Subject: Re: [LU] Positive things about last night. .Lots! I actually thought we playd ok. Clayton was probably the best midfielder on display and made som of the so-called wonderkids in Scum linup look average. White was good, and during a few periods we controlled the match. We created a few goalscoring opertuneties and limitet them to very few. Obviously there is a differance in finishing skills between the two teams - and Owens 2 goals were no short of excellent. Typical Owen for the first goal - touching the ball to the right path, surprising everybody (possibly even himself) - and the second was a snap shot as good as they get. How he managed to get that power into the shot without taking the time to swing his leg back I don't know, but that is the differance between the quality we can afford and the quality Scum posesses. Yes - it was the Scum 2nd. team, but I am sure every single Championship team would have loved to loan each and every player Scum fielded yesterday. The team we met yesterday had enough quality to walk the league we are playing in. So - a match that could have gone better and could have gone a lot worse. Would have loved to get a goal (how could NUNEZ not score), but an ok performance against a very offensive Scum reserve line-up. On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:30:59 +0300 Robert Heath rhe...@asd.edu.qa wrote: Er ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
Rich, I'm amazed you didn't have at least one more observation :) NO PACE in the team at all now that Gradel has gone. In fact the 4-3-3 (4-2-3-1, 4-5-1) or whatever it was disguised the fact that Gradel was the only player with pace, as he was always a threat when the ball was played in behind the defence. Now he has gone, the opposition don't have to worry about that ball, so they can compress the game and the other Leeds players get less space. There were many times last night, when Leeds put 10 or more passes together, but never looked a threat, because nobody was capable of making the run for the 'killer' ball that Clayton and Howson wer both looking for, and are both capable of. McCormack has a good recent scoring record, but is a waste of space when out on the left, and Becchio is not a bad target man with a reasonable scoring record, but you do need at least the threat of pace. Nunez is a bit quicker than McCormack, but less consistent. What has happened to Lloyd Sam? At least he is reasonably at home in the wide positions, although he too seems to prefer the right. Difficult to measure just how bad Leeds were last night, the Brighton game will be a better measure. KOT. ___ RCUK Shared Services Centre Limited (RCUK SSC Ltd) is a limited company registered in England and Wales (with company number 6330639) and has its registered address as North Star House, North Star Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF. This email may have a protective marking, for an explanation please see http://www.ssc.rcuk.ac.uk/info/Documents/RCUKSharedServiceCentreLtd.pdf This email and any attachments are intended for the named addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify RCUK SSC Ltd immediately and do not disclose, distribute, or retain this email or any part of it. While RCUK SSC Ltd has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise risk of this e-mail or any attachments containing viruses, the recipient should carry out its own virus checks before opening the attachments. RCUK SSC Ltd does not accept any liability for any losses or damages which the recipient may sustain due to presence of any viruses. RCUK SSC Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through their networks for the purposes of preventing and detecting crime. ___ This message has been scanned by the WebRoot Email Security Service. For more information please visit http://www.webroot.com ___ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
Sorry - the whole game was poor for me. I was bored , pissed off and wish I hadn't spent £31. Once I heard Becchio was in the team I nearly went home. He's not a good target man. From: Kevin Lewis (RCUK SSC Ltd) kevin.le...@ssc.rcuk.ac.uk To: 'leedslist@gn.apc.org' leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011, 8:58 Subject: Re: [LU] Positive things about last night. Rich, I'm amazed you didn't have at least one more observation :) NO PACE in the team at all now that Gradel has gone. In fact the 4-3-3 (4-2-3-1, 4-5-1) or whatever it was disguised the fact that Gradel was the only player with pace, as he was always a threat when the ball was played in behind the defence. Now he has gone, the opposition don't have to worry about that ball, so they can compress the game and the other Leeds players get less space. There were many times last night, when Leeds put 10 or more passes together, but never looked a threat, because nobody was capable of making the run for the 'killer' ball that Clayton and Howson wer both looking for, and are both capable of. McCormack has a good recent scoring record, but is a waste of space when out on the left, and Becchio is not a bad target man with a reasonable scoring record, but you do need at least the threat of pace. Nunez is a bit quicker than McCormack, but less consistent. What has happened to Lloyd Sam? At least he is reasonably at home in the wide positions, although he too seems to prefer the right. Difficult to measure just how bad Leeds were last night, the Brighton game will be a better measure. KOT. ___ RCUK Shared Services Centre Limited (RCUK SSC Ltd) is a limited company registered in England and Wales (with company number 6330639) and has its registered address as North Star House, North Star Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF. This email may have a protective marking, for an explanation please see http://www.ssc.rcuk.ac.uk/info/Documents/RCUKSharedServiceCentreLtd.pdf This email and any attachments are intended for the named addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify RCUK SSC Ltd immediately and do not disclose, distribute, or retain this email or any part of it. While RCUK SSC Ltd has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise risk of this e-mail or any attachments containing viruses, the recipient should carry out its own virus checks before opening the attachments. RCUK SSC Ltd does not accept any liability for any losses or damages which the recipient may sustain due to presence of any viruses. RCUK SSC Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through their networks for the purposes of preventing and detecting crime. ___ This message has been scanned by the WebRoot Email Security Service. For more information please visit http://www.webroot.com ___ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
last night was simply a difference in class - you can your last dollar that this lot had been wound up by Fergie (he wasn't going to have another defeat at our hands)and that they knew their jobs - their finishing was class (how good was Giggs' goal - even accepting that the defending was poor. Some Leeds fans don't have a grip on reality - were you really epexcting to beat the second best team in Europe (or their reserves) FFS, we can't beat Ipswich. I though Clayton, Howson and White did pretty well considering, Bromby was OK as well - our three problems at the moment are defence; lack of pace throughout the side; and Snodgrass - who had a shocking attitude last night, never mind the barney with Bromby, what about all the times he left Lees to try and bring an attack forward down the right in the second half while Snod was standing not five yards from one of the C Forwards...he's good, but his head is up his arse at the moment. Oh and Becchio, he's not the Messiah, he's more your run of the mill carthorse - didn't seem to cause their defence too much bother last night - for christ sake they played with Berbatov at CHalf for the last 20 minutes. Onwards to the south coast - this one matters much more. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
We should put a wager at our favourite online or local bookies that SG will not make Christmas and someone like Dave Jones will be in. I didn't even watch the game i.e. didn't even look for an internet feed such is my disillusionment with LUFC and on the whole football in general. Honest. --- to some rich bloke as his plaything. Ground finished and Up to Premier League level, three consecutive years of 'good books' showing a healthy PL, cashflow etc. The 'global brand', the loyal following etc. etc. All yours for £50M or therabouts Bargain. Forget promotion, forget relegation, enjoy the wins, suffer the defeats. We've little or no option until cuddly Kenneth finally tops up his pension for one last time. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
From my optimistic perspective I have to believe that SG didn't want to give it a go.because he has bigger fish to fry. So don't push it lads, I don't want any injuries, any daft bookings and no sendings off. We've nothing to win as well as nothing to lose Onwards and upwards at Brighton anyone? Damian ;) On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Tim Leslie t...@3leafieldvillas.co.ukwrote: What really saddened me yesterday was this, 2 years ago we were a Legue 1 team and went to Old Trafford ancd really 'gave it a go', we were organised, lively and up for a scrap. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] View From the Captain's Corner
Can't believe all the wailing and gnashing of teeth on this list - what did everyone expect last night?!! I divvied up my £31 to that KFC guy and saw the following from the Captain's Corner: First half: Lots of possession, effort and endeavour (apart from Snodgrass who was a disgrace), but little to no quality in the final third - Clayton looks quality every time I watch him BTW, and he walked the MOTM award on our bus on the way back to Bradford. Without the ball we were poor, and they looked like they could score every time they had it, but let's face it, that was a quality team they had on our park last night, even if it is their 2nd eleven. We won't play another team that comes anywhere near to as good as they were, for the rest of this season. Second Half: A total non-event; they weren't trying and we weren't trying very hard either. And quite right too - there's a far more important game to play on Friday. Crowd: If Fergie and his senior players told the young un's about the intimidating atmosphere at Elland Road, they must have thought they were all talking bollocks when they got back in the dressing room at full time!! Rogerre Roger M Goodair Head of IT Support and Telecoms University of Bradford Richmond Road BRADFORD BD7 1DP Tel: 01274 235332 Email: r.good...@bradford.ac.uk ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] The Bates Effect?
I thought the saddest thing about last night was the empty seats. That's got to be the first time in a long time when a game against Man U hasn't sold out. Is it that people just think it's a fixture full of potential trouble and keep away? Or was it the Bates effect? DRB ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
Write this season off now. We're not going up, Not sure if you've looked at the table recently, but we're only two points off the playoffs. I wouldn't start writing off any championship season until the end of February at the earliest. Better to peak later than earlier. Teams in the bottom three on January 1 have been promoted. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
Oh and Becchio, he's not the Messiah, he's more your run of the mill carthorse - didn't seem to cause their defence too much bother last night - for christ sake they played with Berbatov at CHalf for the last 20 minutes. No he's not the Messiah, but he's not a carthorse and is about as good as we have in the squad to lead the line. He's only just came back from a long lay off and by the way he went off after 52 minutes well before berbatov went into defence. Scum played the last 10 mins with 10 men as well. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The Bates Effect?
DRB asked: Is it that people just think it's a fixture full of potential trouble and keep away? Or was it the Bates effect? Speaking for myself, it would have been a combination of the following: a) I didn't think we had any chance whatsoever of winning this game, b) I didn't want to endure the gloating Manc c***s when they inevitably cruised to victory, c) It was on TV. If I had have gone, it would probably have ended up being the first time ever that I left before the end and went to the pub. As it was, I suddenly found myself pottering around in the kitchen and realised 'oh, the match is still on'. As others have said - I can't believe anyone thought that the result last night would have been anything other than what it was. Nigel ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
Leeds needed to get themselves on the rich side of that gap, and Ridsdale saw that and gambled. But O Leary scuppered the plan, and the rest is tragic history. Eh How is O'Leary to blame for Ridsdale's financial idiocy? He didn't agree the ludicrous salaries that bankrupted the club! Ridsdale (and Leighton) scuppered their own plan. Ridsdale gambled all right. He played russian roulette with six bulllets in his revolver. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The Bates Effect?
If I had have gone, it would probably have ended up being the first time ever that I left before the end and went to the pub. As it was, I suddenly found myself pottering around in the kitchen and realised 'oh, the match is still on'. As others have said - I can't believe anyone thought that the result last night would have been anything other than what it was. But surely that's the beauty of football, that occasionally it defies logic, we beat a better Manu team in Jan 2010, with a worse Leeds team. ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] my Dream
My Dream is that the multibillionaire owners of the top 5 English teams will form a breakaway with some European teams and devise a world or euro league with no promotion or relegation unless the owner stumps up £100M. the premier League could then settle back with rules in place against unreasonable spending and some sort of level playing field would develop where the rest of us would have a chance - a bit like the championship. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
I have serious reservations about White Nunez. The former has speed and guts, but I fear lacks quality on the ball. I'm more convinced than ever that White is a left winger, not a full-back. But until we sign another decent left-back, he'll be doing the job he's doing, as he's the best LB we've got. He's very good going forward and he has plenty of pace, but he needs to sharpen up on his defensive positioning. Too many attacks down our left where he's just not there. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
Dream on Mark! We've undeniably gone backwards from last season. We've lost our player of the season and second top scorer (and only useful pace player), lost 3 decent(ish) midfielders - one of which (despite me thinking he's a cart horse!) is now holding down a starting role in the Premier League, despite making changes STILL have a defence that is incapable of ... errmm ... defending! Have brought in a 34 year old has been as our midfield 'saviour', made no signings of positive intent. But you continue to live the dream Mark, I don't wish to piss on anyones bonfire, but the bigger picture tells me I'm probably leaning in the right direction. Only positives for me this season are White, Lonergan, Lees, Taylor and Clayton. Will fit in well to our squad next season when our new sugar daddy pumps £20M in to the team and we romp to the Championship title!!! Write this season off now. We're not going up, Not sure if you've looked at the table recently, but we're only two points off the playoffs. I wouldn't start writing off any championship season until the end of February at the earliest. Better to peak later than earlier. Teams in the bottom three on January 1 have been promoted. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Jan 2010/Sept 2011
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:57:43 +0100 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] The Bates Effect? Message-ID: !!AAAYAG8/HqbFZBNLsQLtMkrmQ1IigQAAEDIStnbQW45MiEiEcjy+ g0QBAA But surely that's the beauty of football, that occasionally it defies logic, we beat a better Manu team in Jan 2010, with a worse Leeds team. ttfn Richard -- Maybe you're right Richard, but by January 2010 they'd be grinding it out in the Premiership and Champions League for five months. Last night we were barely a month in to a new season; a new season in which their entire squad is in virtually unstoppable form. Rogerre Roger M Goodair Head of IT Support and Telecoms University of Bradford Richmond Road BRADFORD BD7 1DP Tel: 01274 235332 Email: r.good...@bradford.ac.uk ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
I'm not dreaming. This is the reality of the championship. Put together a decent run in February-March and a team can come from nowhere to make the playoffs. Like Reading last season, or Blackpool the season before, or Palace under Dowie a few years ago, who were in a relegation place on January 1 and ended up promoted via the playoffs. Look around the league - very few of the big-spending clubs are performing either. Leicester/Ipswich have had as shaky a start as we have. We've all got concerns about the current situation, but it's foolish to write off the season at this stage. 39 games to go! Dream on Mark! We've undeniably gone backwards from last season. We've lost our player of the season and second top scorer (and only useful pace player), lost 3 decent(ish) midfielders - one of which (despite me thinking he's a cart horse!) is now holding down a starting role in the Premier League, despite making changes STILL have a defence that is incapable of ... errmm ... defending! Have brought in a 34 year old has been as our midfield 'saviour', made no signings of positive intent. But you continue to live the dream Mark, I don't wish to piss on anyones bonfire, but the bigger picture tells me I'm probably leaning in the right direction. Only positives for me this season are White, Lonergan, Lees, Taylor and Clayton. Will fit in well to our squad next season when our new sugar daddy pumps £20M in to the team and we romp to the Championship title!!! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
For me, because of his poor buying decisions (irrespective of how much they cost us) and his poor man-management. We had a very large - but very lopsided - talent pool, that all of a sudden stopped performing and I for one think that O'Dreary is entirely responsible for that. Risdales' guilt is, in order: 1. Not sacking O'Dreary approx one year earlier than he did 2. Not having a real replacement lined up (and maybe that's why O'Dreary wasn't sacked earlier) 3. Poor financial management Damian On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, markbu...@aol.com wrote: Leeds needed to get themselves on the rich side of that gap, and Ridsdale saw that and gambled. But O Leary scuppered the plan, and the rest is tragic history. Eh How is O'Leary to blame for Ridsdale's financial idiocy? He didn't agree the ludicrous salaries that bankrupted the club! Ridsdale (and Leighton) scuppered their own plan. Ridsdale gambled all right. He played russian roulette with six bulllets in his revolver. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Tactics
Given we have albatross Bates as owner, Grayson is a fucking genius in my eyes. Nigel. On Tuesday, 20 September 2011, John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk wrote: On 20/09/2011 22:34, Richard Naef wrote: The difference between today and Jan 2010 was that then we were unbeaten and bursting full of confidence and after the match we went on a terrible run, this time we are coming off a terrible run, so lets see what happens in the really important game this week Yes But my fear is that Grayson will now be revealed as as naked as they come because he's not going to be able to blame poor league performance ona trying cup run... The Jury has now left the room. betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) -- vectoria.co.uk concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 ni...@mindbrix.co.uk www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Match report
Not much to report really - we got totally outclassed by a good side (even if it is their 2nd / 3rd best eleven)To beat a much better team you need to play out of your skin (which we didn't), you need them to be below par (which they weren't) and you need luck at the right times (which we didn't get) The first goal was a total mis-hit and and 3rd which really killed us off (if we were not already dead) took a massive deflection. However even if these two goals had not gone in there was little doubt that we would still have been beaten. Apart from the early scramble and the last minute miss by Nunez we failed to create any chances of note, and at times they were walking though us with ease. Due to the results at Spurs and Arsenal away we have forgotten just how comprehensive the home defeats were over the last two seasons, so why should last night be any different?We can moan at Bates, or Grayson or the players or all of them but basically we are an Ok 2nd Division team who were playing against players who have / are or will be playing for the best side in the country.It would have been a big learning curve for some of them - only Bromby and Keogh of the starting XI have actually played in the Premiership.Lees , White and Clayton - the youngsters upon whom are future will be based all acquitted themselves reasonably well for the most part.If we cannot keep a clean sheet in our own Division what real chance did we have of stopping Owen, Giggs and Berbatov ?So to me, totally expected and no disgrace. Hopefully we can write it off and get on with the real task in hand - getting up the league table.For the record I also thought Forsell showed that he he has something to offer and although it was only a brief appearance I quite liked the look of Mika. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
Damian, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd cloned Don Revie from a fragment of bone and appointed him, with Alf Ramsey as his assistant and Alex Fergusion as tea boy. Ridsdale's ONLY crime is financial mismanagement verging on criminal. Our demise was NOTHING to do with the players, the manager or anything to do with football. It was 100% the fault of one of the most incompetent boards of directors in any business, ever. Risk management is a crucial business skill - Ridsdale and Leighton paid no heed to it at all - in fact they knowingly gambled based only on an utterly unachievable scenario - permanent European qualification. The cretins should be in jail. Risdales' guilt is, in order: 1. Not sacking O'Dreary approx one year earlier than he did 2. Not having a real replacement lined up (and maybe that's why O'Dreary wasn't sacked earlier) 3. Poor financial management ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Tactics
I'm of exactly the same opinion. Every time Grayson gets something right, he's hamstrung by KBs mismanagement, selling anything of worth and not sorting out contracts for players we may want to keep. Grayson has done a terriffic job IMO. I've no doubt if he were able to sign the calibre of defender he really wants to he could sort our back line out, but he has to work with the shite he's given. You can't polish a turd but that's what Bates is asking! On Sep 21, 2011 12:01 PM, Nigel Barber ni...@mindbrix.co.uk wrote: Given we have albatross Bates as owner, Grayson is a fucking genius in my eyes. Nigel. On Tuesday, 20 September 2011, John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk wrote: On 20/09/2011 22:34, Richard Naef wrote: The difference between today and Jan 2010 was that then we were unbeaten and bursting full of confidence and after the match we went on a terrible run, this time we are coming off a terrible run, so lets see what happens in the really important game this week Yes But my fear is that Grayson will now be revealed as as naked as they come because he's not going to be able to blame poor league performance ona trying cup run... The Jury has now left the room. betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) -- vectoria.co.uk concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 ni...@mindbrix.co.uk www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
Bollocks , he was rubbish. Did fuck all From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk To: 'Leeds United E-Mail List' leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011, 10:52 Subject: Re: [LU] Positive things about last night. Oh and Becchio, he's not the Messiah, he's more your run of the mill carthorse - didn't seem to cause their defence too much bother last night - for christ sake they played with Berbatov at CHalf for the last 20 minutes. No he's not the Messiah, but he's not a carthorse and is about as good as we have in the squad to lead the line. He's only just came back from a long lay off and by the way he went off after 52 minutes well before berbatov went into defence. Scum played the last 10 mins with 10 men as well. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Tactics
Talking of signings, Pugh is coming in on emergency loan today apparently. Sent from my iPhone. On 21 Sep 2011, at 12:42, Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk wrote: I'm of exactly the same opinion. Every time Grayson gets something right, he's hamstrung by KBs mismanagement, selling anything of worth and not sorting out contracts for players we may want to keep. Grayson has done a terriffic job IMO. I've no doubt if he were able to sign the calibre of defender he really wants to he could sort our back line out, but he has to work with the shite he's given. You can't polish a turd but that's what Bates is asking! On Sep 21, 2011 12:01 PM, Nigel Barber ni...@mindbrix.co.uk wrote: Given we have albatross Bates as owner, Grayson is a fucking genius in my eyes. Nigel. On Tuesday, 20 September 2011, John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk wrote: On 20/09/2011 22:34, Richard Naef wrote: The difference between today and Jan 2010 was that then we were unbeaten and bursting full of confidence and after the match we went on a terrible run, this time we are coming off a terrible run, so lets see what happens in the really important game this week Yes But my fear is that Grayson will now be revealed as as naked as they come because he's not going to be able to blame poor league performance ona trying cup run... The Jury has now left the room. betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) -- vectoria.co.uk concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 ni...@mindbrix.co.uk www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
First of all Mark, I need to stress I'm not picking on you today!! ;-) BUT ... I do think there is a lot of credence in what Damien says. Looking back at that whole saga and the current state of clubs 'chasing the dream', the Ridsdale gamble was/is the only way to break the mould. Teams come and go and flirt with the top 4, but ultimately fail because of a lack of strength in depth, ottenham are the current nearly men and are only nearly men bacause they have not 'done a ridsdale'. Had O'Leary not published that bloody book and, in doing so, alienated a team that was with him and playing care free flowing footy and then got Brian fcuking Kidd in to stifle all that was good about the team, then maybe, just maybe, we would have been succesful in the gamble. Damian, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd cloned Don Revie from a fragment of bone and appointed him, with Alf Ramsey as his assistant and Alex Fergusion as tea boy. Ridsdale's ONLY crime is financial mismanagement verging on criminal. Our demise was NOTHING to do with the players, the manager or anything to do with football. It was 100% the fault of one of the most incompetent boards of directors in any business, ever. Risk management is a crucial business skill - Ridsdale and Leighton paid no heed to it at all - in fact they knowingly gambled based only on an utterly unachievable scenario - permanent European qualification. The cretins should be in jail. Risdales' guilt is, in order: 1. Not sacking O'Dreary approx one year earlier than he did 2. Not having a real replacement lined up (and maybe that's why O'Dreary wasn't sacked earlier) 3. Poor financial management ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Tactics
Talking of signings, Pugh is coming in on emergency loan today apparently. Pugh at LB and White on the wing might work pretty well on the left side. Pugh looks a better player than when he was last here. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
Tim, you need to get it into your head that Ridsdale's gamble could NEVER have worked!!! It's nothing to do with football - it's all to do with the economics of running a business. 95% of our turnover was accounted for by the wage bill. That leaves 5% to cover all other costs, including the punitive interest charged on the borrowings that were used to sign the f*cking players. The only way to pay the interest was to increase the turnover - the only way to do that without having to sell players was to qualify for the champions league, year in, year out. The board should never have allowed Ridsdale to put such a plan into action. Leighton (the star business non-exec) should have stopped it. He didn't. so he's as culpable as Publicity Pete. ZERO risk management. 100% destined to fail. You can convince yourself that O'Dreary's daft book or Brian Kidd or the sodding goldfish are to blame. They aren't. They're just excuses that fans can understand. Look at the balance sheet for the real reasons. There is only one way to live the dream in football - back your ambitions with enormous, private wealth. First of all Mark, I need to stress I'm not picking on you today!! ;-) BUT ... I do think there is a lot of credence in what Damien says. Looking back at that whole saga and the current state of clubs 'chasing the dream', the Ridsdale gamble was/is the only way to break the mould. Teams come and go and flirt with the top 4, but ultimately fail because of a lack of strength in depth, ottenham are the current nearly men and are only nearly men bacause they have not 'done a ridsdale'. Had O'Leary not published that bloody book and, in doing so, alienated a team that was with him and playing care free flowing footy and then got Brian fcuking Kidd in to stifle all that was good about the team, then maybe, just maybe, we would have been succesful in the gamble. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
O'Neill was lined up to replace Graham. He asked for more time to consider the offer. Meanwhile DOL did well as caretaker and Ridsdale decided to give him the job instead. MON would have come, but Ridsdale panicked. There was no replacement lined up for DOL. In fact Ridsdale gave him an unbreakable 5-year contract that was payable IN FULL if he was sacked. More incompetence, and why DOL got an £8 million payoff when he was sacked with four years outstanding. I did not mean to rehash the tired old Who Killed Leeds United ? argument..but, if you believe what Ridsdale said in his book, he DID have a replacement lined up for O Leary, namely Martin O'Neill. He thought the deal was sealed, but it fell through at the last minute (can't remember why.) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
the Ridsdale gamble was/is the only way to break the mould. I agree, Tim, and the Ridsdale 'gamble', whilst foolish in hindsight, was founded on the naming rights of the 'new' stadium, which had 9/11 and the subsequent advertising recession, which killed ITV Digital, not happened would have led to us playing at the XBox stadium. As for his financial mismanagement being criminal, sorry but it doesn't even compare with Lehman, AIG, RBS and f'ing Greece. Cheers Paul ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
The day out at Majestyk was the point that buffeted us followed by the 3-4 loss to barcodes. Both DO'L fault. That lit the blue touch paper. Ridsdale put the gun powder down Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 21 Sep 2011, at 14:59, Tim Leslie t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk wrote: First of all Mark, I need to stress I'm not picking on you today!! ;-) BUT ... I do think there is a lot of credence in what Damien says. Looking back at that whole saga and the current state of clubs 'chasing the dream', the Ridsdale gamble was/is the only way to break the mould. Teams come and go and flirt with the top 4, but ultimately fail because of a lack of strength in depth, ottenham are the current nearly men and are only nearly men bacause they have not 'done a ridsdale'. Had O'Leary not published that bloody book and, in doing so, alienated a team that was with him and playing care free flowing footy and then got Brian fcuking Kidd in to stifle all that was good about the team, then maybe, just maybe, we would have been succesful in the gamble. Damian, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd cloned Don Revie from a fragment of bone and appointed him, with Alf Ramsey as his assistant and Alex Fergusion as tea boy. Ridsdale's ONLY crime is financial mismanagement verging on criminal. Our demise was NOTHING to do with the players, the manager or anything to do with football. It was 100% the fault of one of the most incompetent boards of directors in any business, ever. Risk management is a crucial business skill - Ridsdale and Leighton paid no heed to it at all - in fact they knowingly gambled based only on an utterly unachievable scenario - permanent European qualification. The cretins should be in jail. Risdales' guilt is, in order: 1. Not sacking O'Dreary approx one year earlier than he did 2. Not having a real replacement lined up (and maybe that's why O'Dreary wasn't sacked earlier) 3. Poor financial management ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
I agree, Tim, and the Ridsdale 'gamble', whilst foolish in hindsight, was founded on the naming rights of the 'new' stadium, which had 9/11 and the subsequent advertising recession, which killed ITV Digital, not happened would have led to us playing at the XBox stadium. IIRC the plan was to fund the new stadium entirely via naming rights, and presumably a property play at ER. It would have given us a bigger ground in a more remote location. Wouldn't have helped that much, though. The new ground would still have had running costs, and the turnover wouldn't have increased that much. Would we have filled a 50,000-seater ever week? Players' wages would still have been out of control, and we'd still have crashed - probably before Ridsdale's Folly had been built. As for his financial mismanagement being criminal, sorry but it doesn't even compare with Lehman, AIG, RBS and f'ing Greece. It was actually short of criminal. Just incompetent. I don't deny Ridsdale had good intentions, unlike the banks. He was just a useless business manager. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
The day out at Majestyk was the point that buffeted us followed by the 3-4 loss to barcodes. Both DO'L fault. That lit the blue touch paper. Ridsdale put the gun powder down More comfort blanket stuff, Mike. Look at the accounts. It was a business failure, not a football failure. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
Didnt O'Neill formally turn us down? I seem to remember him having a press conference at Leicester saying he was staying there. Sent from my iPhone On 21 Sep 2011, at 13:18, markbu...@aol.com wrote: O'Neill was lined up to replace Graham. He asked for more time to consider the offer. Meanwhile DOL did well as caretaker and Ridsdale decided to give him the job instead. MON would have come, but Ridsdale panicked. There was no replacement lined up for DOL. In fact Ridsdale gave him an unbreakable 5-year contract that was payable IN FULL if he was sacked. More incompetence, and why DOL got an £8 million payoff when he was sacked with four years outstanding. I did not mean to rehash the tired old Who Killed Leeds United ? argument..but, if you believe what Ridsdale said in his book, he DID have a replacement lined up for O Leary, namely Martin O'Neill. He thought the deal was sealed, but it fell through at the last minute (can't remember why.) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] my Dream
your dream might not be too far away. Platini wants to install the french system I ve heard: no club can run with a deficit. This is to get away with financial doping with the likes of chelski and man shitty. Its apparently only 2 years away. Furthermore, I strongly disagree with any league that does not involve promotion or relegation as its against one of the core principals of sports: there are winners and losers every year. if noone gets relegated then theres much less impact.. MUCH less and the league is merely a franchise rather than a competition. Thats just my opinion anyways. eric On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: My Dream is that the multibillionaire owners of the top 5 English teams will form a breakaway with some European teams and devise a world or euro league with no promotion or relegation unless the owner stumps up £100M. the premier League could then settle back with rules in place against unreasonable spending and some sort of level playing field would develop where the rest of us would have a chance - a bit like the championship. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Tactics
Again I will ask, what has happened to Alex Bruce? He wasn't even on the bench last night. Is he long term injured? Him and Kisnorbo (or Lees) would make a great centre back pairing IMHO. - Original Message - From: markbu...@aol.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [LU] Tactics Talking of signings, Pugh is coming in on emergency loan today apparently. Pugh at LB and White on the wing might work pretty well on the left side. Pugh looks a better player than when he was last here. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The Bates Effect?
I reckon most 'part-timers' don't go because of the cost, which you can link to Bates. The gentrification of footie has priced out large chunks of us, and maybe we'll never go again? If Sky TV ever go under then the Premiership is bugg**ed. Part of me hopes I see it happen. I know some said that the beauty of football is you never know what might happen, but there was never a cat in hell's chance last night, and a 3-0 defeat was probably a good result. Like someone else said, they can't keep the likes of Bristol City out, so what chance Scum. One thing I didn't like last night was Fabio's chips over players - just taking the proverbial and he should have been clattered! He did it 4 or 5 times in all. Anyway, Friday night TV - Rhinos and LUFC both on I believe. Hope we get a double! John From: David Brennan d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk To: 'leedslist@gn.apc.org' leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011, 10:36 Subject: [LU] The Bates Effect? I thought the saddest thing about last night was the empty seats. That's got to be the first time in a long time when a game against Man U hasn't sold out. Is it that people just think it's a fixture full of potential trouble and keep away? Or was it the Bates effect? DRB ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The Bates Effect?
The Rev noted: Anyway, Friday night TV - Rhinos and LUFC both on I believe. And a bit of a quandary for me. Putting aside the fact that the kids will have to teach themselves karate that night now(!), which one will I chose to watch? My heart is always truly with LUFC, but really... a semi-final with a team that's quite likely to win, or a nothing away game that's very likely to disappoint in oh-so-many ways? Which reminds me... did I really hear Lee Sharpe say my head says Manchester, but my heart says Leeds last night? What the *** was that all about? (he probably said my head says United, but let's not get into that! - although hats off to Bryn Law for putting the Sky Sports News tottie right on that subject yesterday too) Nigel ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Tactics
Great. We have deteriorated enough to ensure a second coming of Pugh. Nice to know that we are rehabilitating more than Malignant Stoats. Where would MS be without us to play with and hide behind? Behind bars Good to know our anguish is not in vain Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 21 Sep 2011, at 14:56, Andy Clayton andyclayto...@gmail.com wrote: Talking of signings, Pugh is coming in on emergency loan today apparently. Sent from my iPhone. On 21 Sep 2011, at 12:42, Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk wrote: I'm of exactly the same opinion. Every time Grayson gets something right, he's hamstrung by KBs mismanagement, selling anything of worth and not sorting out contracts for players we may want to keep. Grayson has done a terriffic job IMO. I've no doubt if he were able to sign the calibre of defender he really wants to he could sort our back line out, but he has to work with the shite he's given. You can't polish a turd but that's what Bates is asking! On Sep 21, 2011 12:01 PM, Nigel Barber ni...@mindbrix.co.uk wrote: Given we have albatross Bates as owner, Grayson is a fucking genius in my eyes. Nigel. On Tuesday, 20 September 2011, John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk wrote: On 20/09/2011 22:34, Richard Naef wrote: The difference between today and Jan 2010 was that then we were unbeaten and bursting full of confidence and after the match we went on a terrible run, this time we are coming off a terrible run, so lets see what happens in the really important game this week Yes But my fear is that Grayson will now be revealed as as naked as they come because he's not going to be able to blame poor league performance ona trying cup run... The Jury has now left the room. betty ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) -- vectoria.co.uk concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 ni...@mindbrix.co.uk www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] my Dream
My dream is much simpler. Not to have the present nightmare. I won't be vindictive by describing what I'd love to see next time we get a close up of MS next time we are pn the box. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 21 Sep 2011, at 16:29, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote: your dream might not be too far away. Platini wants to install the french system I ve heard: no club can run with a deficit. This is to get away with financial doping with the likes of chelski and man shitty. Its apparently only 2 years away. Furthermore, I strongly disagree with any league that does not involve promotion or relegation as its against one of the core principals of sports: there are winners and losers every year. if noone gets relegated then theres much less impact.. MUCH less and the league is merely a franchise rather than a competition. Thats just my opinion anyways. eric On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: My Dream is that the multibillionaire owners of the top 5 English teams will form a breakaway with some European teams and devise a world or euro league with no promotion or relegation unless the owner stumps up £100M. the premier League could then settle back with rules in place against unreasonable spending and some sort of level playing field would develop where the rest of us would have a chance - a bit like the championship. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
Didnt O'Neill formally turn us down? I seem to remember him having a press conference at Leicester saying he was staying there. Yes, because Ridsdale wanted to make an appointment straight away. O'Neill wanted to come to Leeds - but wanted to leave Leicester in a dignified and professional way, so he asked for more time. But Ridsdale put pressure on him in a take it or leave it kind of way. So he left it. Hence the big announcement about him staying at Leicester. A bit of patience would have clinched the deal in a couple of weeks. Not in the mindset of Top Man's erstwhile sales director, though. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
What I cannot fathom I'd how our debt was unmanageable yet smaller than most teams on the PL today. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 21 Sep 2011, at 15:35, markbu...@aol.com wrote: I agree, Tim, and the Ridsdale 'gamble', whilst foolish in hindsight, was founded on the naming rights of the 'new' stadium, which had 9/11 and the subsequent advertising recession, which killed ITV Digital, not happened would have led to us playing at the XBox stadium. IIRC the plan was to fund the new stadium entirely via naming rights, and presumably a property play at ER. It would have given us a bigger ground in a more remote location. Wouldn't have helped that much, though. The new ground would still have had running costs, and the turnover wouldn't have increased that much. Would we have filled a 50,000-seater ever week? Players' wages would still have been out of control, and we'd still have crashed - probably before Ridsdale's Folly had been built. As for his financial mismanagement being criminal, sorry but it doesn't even compare with Lehman, AIG, RBS and f'ing Greece. It was actually short of criminal. Just incompetent. I don't deny Ridsdale had good intentions, unlike the banks. He was just a useless business manager. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
As I said why are others managing their debts. Put another way would Bates have gone under or bluffed cum bull shitted his way through? Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 21 Sep 2011, at 15:37, markbu...@aol.com wrote: The day out at Majestyk was the point that buffeted us followed by the 3-4 loss to barcodes. Both DO'L fault. That lit the blue touch paper. Ridsdale put the gun powder down More comfort blanket stuff, Mike. Look at the accounts. It was a business failure, not a football failure. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
Can he be the messiahs donkey? :-) Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 21 Sep 2011, at 14:54, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Bollocks , he was rubbish. Did fuck all From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk To: 'Leeds United E-Mail List' leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011, 10:52 Subject: Re: [LU] Positive things about last night. Oh and Becchio, he's not the Messiah, he's more your run of the mill carthorse - didn't seem to cause their defence too much bother last night - for christ sake they played with Berbatov at CHalf for the last 20 minutes. No he's not the Messiah, but he's not a carthorse and is about as good as we have in the squad to lead the line. He's only just came back from a long lay off and by the way he went off after 52 minutes well before berbatov went into defence. Scum played the last 10 mins with 10 men as well. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
What I cannot fathom I'd how our debt was unmanageable yet smaller than most teams on the PL today. Firstly, Ridsdale borrowed under very bad terms - punitive interest rates. Most clubs borrow long-term at low rates. Ridsdale effectively bought players at worse ratehs than your credit card. Secondly, we could not service the debt. We did not turn over enough money to generate enough profit to pay the interest. Why? Because 95% of turnover was accounted for by players' wages. Servicing big debts is not easy. This is why Man U is looking at a rights issue in Asia to raise cash in order to pay off some long term debts. Finally, prem clubs turn over more money these days as the Sky money is greater than when Pete was f*cking us over. And many have learned the lessons of our experience. Nevertheless, there are several clubs that are living beyond their means right now. Everton, for example. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......
As I said why are others managing their debts. Put another way would Bates have gone under or bluffed cum bull shitted his way through? Bates nearly did go under at Chelsea. But he had the value of Stamford Bridge to fall back on as security against his debts, and was able to locate a sugardaddy to bale him out in the form of R Abramovich esq. He's probably over-cautious as a result of this. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The Bates Effect?
He did say that, I heard it too! From: Nigel Sykes ni...@sykesonline.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [LU] The Bates Effect? The Rev noted: Anyway, Friday night TV - Rhinos and LUFC both on I believe. And a bit of a quandary for me. Putting aside the fact that the kids will have to teach themselves karate that night now(!), which one will I chose to watch? My heart is always truly with LUFC, but really... a semi-final with a team that's quite likely to win, or a nothing away game that's very likely to disappoint in oh-so-many ways? Which reminds me... did I really hear Lee Sharpe say my head says Manchester, but my heart says Leeds last night? What the *** was that all about? (he probably said my head says United, but let's not get into that! - although hats off to Bryn Law for putting the Sky Sports News tottie right on that subject yesterday too) Nigel ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The Bates Effect?
Yeah Lee Sharpe loves Leeds - he still lives in the city/ Dave --- On Wed, 21/9/11, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LU] The Bates Effect? To: ni...@sykesonline.com ni...@sykesonline.com, leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 17:56 He did say that, I heard it too! From: Nigel Sykes ni...@sykesonline.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [LU] The Bates Effect? The Rev noted: Anyway, Friday night TV - Rhinos and LUFC both on I believe. A Which reminds me... did I really hear Lee Sharpe say my head says Manchester, but my heart says Leeds last night? What the *** was that all about? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] The Bates Effect?
He still seems to follow Man Utd, and watches them in The Regent in chapel allerton. On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:21, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote: Yeah Lee Sharpe loves Leeds - he still lives in the city/ Dave --- On Wed, 21/9/11, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LU] The Bates Effect? To: ni...@sykesonline.com ni...@sykesonline.com, leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 17:56 He did say that, I heard it too! From: Nigel Sykes ni...@sykesonline.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [LU] The Bates Effect? The Rev noted: Anyway, Friday night TV - Rhinos and LUFC both on I believe. A Which reminds me... did I really hear Lee Sharpe say my head says Manchester, but my heart says Leeds last night? What the *** was that all about? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
