.Lots!
I actually thought we playd ok. Clayton was probably the
best midfielder on display and made som of the so-called
wonderkids in Scum linup look average. White was good,
and during a few periods we controlled the match. We
created a few goalscoring opertuneties and limitet them to
As an overseas lister who only gets to occasionally watch Leeds the
most depressing thing for me that sank in last night , and you're on
a similar track to me here , is how far behind the top of the PL we
are.
I can't believe we beat this side last time and had honourable
losses to other PL
I thought we were poor for 60 minutes but then slightly improved with the
introduction of the subs.
Our defence was bad throughout - Owen and Giggs with a combined age of 103 just
took the piss.
I thought the game emphasised that Becchio is not an option - we had no link up
play and no
Rich, I'm amazed you didn't have at least one more observation :)
NO PACE in the team at all now that Gradel has gone. In fact the 4-3-3
(4-2-3-1, 4-5-1) or whatever it was disguised the fact that Gradel was the only
player with pace, as he was always a threat when the ball was played in behind
Sorry - the whole game was poor for me. I was bored , pissed off and wish I
hadn't spent £31. Once I heard Becchio was in the team I nearly went home.
He's not a good target man.
From: Kevin Lewis (RCUK SSC Ltd) kevin.le...@ssc.rcuk.ac.uk
To: 'leedslist@gn.apc.org' leedslist@gn.apc.org
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last night was simply a difference in class - you can your last dollar that this
lot had been wound up by Fergie (he wasn't going to have another defeat at our
hands)and that they knew their jobs - their finishing was class (how good was
Giggs' goal - even accepting that the defending was poor.
We should put a wager at our favourite online or local bookies that SG will not
make Christmas and someone like Dave Jones will be in.
I didn't even watch the game i.e. didn't even look for an internet feed such is
my disillusionment with LUFC and on the whole football in general. Honest.
From my optimistic perspective I have to believe that SG didn't want to
give it a go.because he has bigger fish to fry.
So don't push it lads, I don't want any injuries, any daft bookings and no
sendings off. We've nothing to win as well as nothing to lose
Onwards and upwards at Brighton anyone?
Can't believe all the wailing and gnashing of teeth on this list - what did
everyone expect last night?!!
I divvied up my £31 to that KFC guy and saw the following from the Captain's
Corner:
First half: Lots of possession, effort and endeavour (apart from Snodgrass
who was a disgrace), but
I thought the saddest thing about last night was the empty seats.
That's got to be the first time in a long time when a game against Man U hasn't
sold out.
Is it that people just think it's a fixture full of potential trouble and keep
away? Or was it the Bates effect?
DRB
Write this season off now. We're not going up,
Not sure if you've looked at the table recently, but we're only two points
off the playoffs. I wouldn't start writing off any championship season
until the end of February at the earliest. Better to peak later than earlier.
Teams in the
Oh and Becchio, he's not the Messiah, he's more your run of the mill
carthorse -
didn't seem to cause their defence too much bother last night - for
christ sake
they played with Berbatov at CHalf for the last 20 minutes.
No he's not the Messiah, but he's not a carthorse and is about as good as
DRB asked:
Is it that people just think it's a fixture full of potential trouble and
keep away?
Or was it the Bates effect?
Speaking for myself, it would have been a combination of the following:
a) I didn't think we had any chance whatsoever of winning this game,
b) I didn't want to endure
Leeds needed to get themselves on the rich side of that
gap, and Ridsdale saw that and gambled. But O Leary scuppered the plan, and
the rest is tragic history.
Eh
How is O'Leary to blame for Ridsdale's financial idiocy? He didn't agree
the ludicrous salaries that bankrupted the
If I had have gone, it would probably have ended up being the first time
ever that I left before the end and went to the pub. As it was, I
suddenly
found myself pottering around in the kitchen and realised 'oh, the match
is
still on'.
As others have said - I can't believe anyone thought that the
My Dream is that the multibillionaire owners of the top 5 English teams will
form a breakaway with some European teams and devise a world or euro league
with no promotion or relegation unless the owner stumps up £100M. the
premier League could then settle back with rules in place against
I have serious reservations about White Nunez. The former has speed and
guts, but I fear lacks quality on the ball.
I'm more convinced than ever that White is a left winger, not a full-back.
But until we sign another decent left-back, he'll be doing the job he's
doing, as he's the
Dream on Mark! We've undeniably gone backwards from last season. We've
lost our player of the season and second top scorer (and only useful pace
player), lost 3 decent(ish) midfielders - one of which (despite me
thinking he's a cart horse!) is now holding down a starting role in the
Premier
Message: 7
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:57:43 +0100
From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] The Bates Effect?
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But surely that's the beauty
I'm not dreaming. This is the reality of the championship. Put together a
decent run in February-March and a team can come from nowhere to make the
playoffs. Like Reading last season, or Blackpool the season before, or
Palace under Dowie a few years ago, who were in a relegation place on
For me, because of his poor buying decisions (irrespective of how much they
cost us) and his poor man-management.
We had a very large - but very lopsided - talent pool, that all of a sudden
stopped performing and I for one think that O'Dreary is entirely responsible
for that.
Risdales' guilt is,
Given we have albatross Bates as owner, Grayson is a fucking genius in my
eyes.
Nigel.
On Tuesday, 20 September 2011, John Boocock IFA
john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk wrote:
On 20/09/2011 22:34, Richard Naef wrote:
The
difference between today and Jan 2010 was that then we were
Not much to report really - we got totally outclassed by a good side (even if
it is their 2nd / 3rd best eleven)To beat a much better team you need to play
out of your skin (which we didn't), you need them to be below par (which they
weren't) and you need luck at the right times (which we
Damian, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd cloned Don Revie from a fragment
of bone and appointed him, with Alf Ramsey as his assistant and Alex
Fergusion as tea boy.
Ridsdale's ONLY crime is financial mismanagement verging on criminal.
Our demise was NOTHING to do with the players, the
I'm of exactly the same opinion. Every time Grayson gets something right,
he's hamstrung by KBs mismanagement, selling anything of worth and not
sorting out contracts for players we may want to keep.
Grayson has done a terriffic job IMO. I've no doubt if he were able to sign
the calibre of
Bollocks , he was rubbish. Did fuck all
From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
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Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011, 10:52
Subject: Re: [LU] Positive things about last night.
Oh and Becchio, he's not the Messiah, he's more your run
Talking of signings, Pugh is coming in on emergency loan today apparently.
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On 21 Sep 2011, at 12:42, Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk wrote:
I'm of exactly the same opinion. Every time Grayson gets something right,
he's hamstrung by KBs mismanagement, selling anything of
First of all Mark, I need to stress I'm not picking on you today!! ;-)
BUT ... I do think there is a lot of credence in what Damien says. Looking
back at that whole saga and the current state of clubs 'chasing the
dream', the Ridsdale gamble was/is the only way to break the mould. Teams
come and
Talking of signings, Pugh is coming in on emergency loan today
apparently.
Pugh at LB and White on the wing might work pretty well on the left side.
Pugh looks a better player than when he was last here.
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Tim, you need to get it into your head that Ridsdale's gamble could NEVER
have worked!!!
It's nothing to do with football - it's all to do with the economics of
running a business.
95% of our turnover was accounted for by the wage bill. That leaves 5% to
cover all other costs,
O'Neill was lined up to replace Graham. He asked for more time to consider
the offer. Meanwhile DOL did well as caretaker and Ridsdale decided to give
him the job instead. MON would have come, but Ridsdale panicked.
There was no replacement lined up for DOL. In fact Ridsdale gave him an
the Ridsdale gamble was/is the only way to break the mould.
I agree, Tim, and the Ridsdale 'gamble', whilst foolish in hindsight, was
founded on the naming rights of the 'new' stadium, which had 9/11 and the
subsequent advertising recession, which killed ITV Digital, not happened would
have
The day out at Majestyk was the point that buffeted us followed by the 3-4 loss
to barcodes.
Both DO'L fault. That lit the blue touch paper. Ridsdale put the gun powder
down
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Dr Michael Benjamin.
Community Psychiatrist.
On 21 Sep 2011, at 14:59, Tim Leslie
I agree, Tim, and the Ridsdale 'gamble', whilst foolish in hindsight,
was founded on the naming rights of the 'new' stadium, which had 9/11 and the
subsequent advertising recession, which killed ITV Digital, not happened
would have led to us playing at the XBox stadium.
IIRC the
The day out at Majestyk was the point that buffeted us followed by the
3-4 loss to barcodes.
Both DO'L fault. That lit the blue touch paper. Ridsdale put the gun
powder down
More comfort blanket stuff, Mike. Look at the accounts. It was a business
failure, not a football failure.
Didnt O'Neill formally turn us down? I seem to remember him having a press
conference at Leicester saying he was staying there.
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On 21 Sep 2011, at 13:18, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
O'Neill was lined up to replace Graham. He asked for more time to consider
the offer.
your dream might not be too far away. Platini wants to install the french
system I ve heard: no club
can run with a deficit. This is to get away with financial doping with the
likes of chelski and man shitty.
Its apparently only 2 years away.
Furthermore, I strongly disagree with any league that
Again I will ask, what has happened to Alex Bruce? He wasn't even on the
bench last night. Is he long term injured?
Him and Kisnorbo (or Lees) would make a great centre back pairing IMHO.
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Sent: Wednesday, September
I reckon most 'part-timers' don't go because of the cost, which you can link to
Bates. The gentrification of footie has priced out large chunks of us, and
maybe we'll never go again? If Sky TV ever go under then the Premiership is
bugg**ed. Part of me hopes I see it happen.
I know some said
The Rev noted:
Anyway, Friday night TV - Rhinos and LUFC both on I believe.
And a bit of a quandary for me. Putting aside the fact that the kids will
have to teach themselves karate that night now(!), which one will I chose to
watch?
My heart is always truly with LUFC, but really... a
Great.
We have deteriorated enough to ensure a second coming of Pugh. Nice to know
that we are rehabilitating more than Malignant Stoats.
Where would MS be without us to play with and hide behind? Behind bars
Good to know our anguish is not in vain
Sent from my iPhone.
Dr Michael
My dream is much simpler. Not to have the present nightmare.
I won't be vindictive by describing what I'd love to see next time we get a
close up of MS next time we are pn the box.
Sent from my iPhone.
Dr Michael Benjamin.
Community Psychiatrist.
On 21 Sep 2011, at 16:29, Eric B
Didnt O'Neill formally turn us down? I seem to remember him having a
press conference at Leicester saying he was staying there.
Yes, because Ridsdale wanted to make an appointment straight away. O'Neill
wanted to come to Leeds - but wanted to leave Leicester in a dignified and
What I cannot fathom I'd how our debt was unmanageable yet smaller than
most teams on the PL today.
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Dr Michael Benjamin.
Community Psychiatrist.
On 21 Sep 2011, at 15:35, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
I agree, Tim, and the Ridsdale 'gamble', whilst foolish in
As I said why are others managing their debts.
Put another way would Bates have gone under or bluffed cum bull shitted his way
through?
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Dr Michael Benjamin.
Community Psychiatrist.
On 21 Sep 2011, at 15:37, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
The day out at Majestyk was the
Can he be the messiahs donkey?
:-)
Sent from my iPhone.
Dr Michael Benjamin.
Community Psychiatrist.
On 21 Sep 2011, at 14:54, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Bollocks , he was rubbish. Did fuck all
From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
To: 'Leeds United
What I cannot fathom I'd how our debt was unmanageable yet smaller than
most teams on the PL today.
Firstly, Ridsdale borrowed under very bad terms - punitive interest rates.
Most clubs borrow long-term at low rates. Ridsdale effectively bought
players at worse ratehs than your credit
As I said why are others managing their debts.
Put another way would Bates have gone under or bluffed cum bull shitted
his way through?
Bates nearly did go under at Chelsea. But he had the value of Stamford
Bridge to fall back on as security against his debts, and was able to locate a
He did say that, I heard it too!
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To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] The Bates Effect?
The Rev noted:
Anyway, Friday night TV - Rhinos and LUFC both on I believe.
And
Yeah Lee Sharpe loves Leeds - he still lives in the city/
Dave
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From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
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To: ni...@sykesonline.com ni...@sykesonline.com, leedslist@gn.apc.org
leedslist@gn.apc.org
Date:
He still seems to follow Man Utd, and watches them in The Regent in
chapel allerton.
On 21 Sep 2011, at 21:21, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:
Yeah Lee Sharpe loves Leeds - he still lives in the city/
Dave
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