Re: [LU] Idle Chelsea musing

[Brendan McWilliams]

Same for Wogan as well isn't it?

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They gave one to Bobby Foreigner Geldof

Yes and no - he can't technically use the 'Sir' (Ireland is not part of the 
Commonwealth). He's Bob Geldof KBE 
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Re: [LU] 2-1

[Brendan McWilliams]

H, i have to disagree slightly. 
 
FCB and RM are both sides of the same coin: enormous, big histories, huge 
support, devour the majority of the tv rights from La Liga making it evermore 
uncompetitive and neither are true businesses - at least if we consider the 
debt they carry. 
 
I came to Spain as a neutral and in fact went to the Bernabeu 2 days after my 
arrival in Madid for a cup match with an entirely open mind and without 
prejudicenow several years later, the lesser of the two evils by any 
measurement is FCB. RM are tedious beyond belief. 
 
This week apart, this present FCB team and squad are the best I've seen at any 
time and i'd like to know of what team has ever played with style in the modern 
era. Their squad has been in large part developed from their youth teams and 
surely that is the aim of all clubs? 
 
RM on the other hand dominate EVERYTHING in Spain, you'll find more coverage 
regarding them on the main news (i.e. equivalent of BBC1) than you'll find on 
e.g. Syria, Afghanistan, you name it. Their fans are wildly disloyal and expect 
Harlem Globetrotter levels of performance and see conspiracies everywhere when 
a team has the temerity to put it up to them and shock horror beat them. 
 
The atmosphere in both grounds is usually pitiful - but that's more due to 
their being all seating - and if anything you'll find that in the Bernabeu the 
fans will quite often start whistling or booing at half time if they have not 
scored. 
 
The common charge that RM were Franco's XI is not strictly true as other 
teams won just as much domestically - although di Stefano mysteriously went to 
Madrid and not Barcelona... - but it's a charge often levelled due to their 
main competition at the time being Athletic Bilbao and FCB - both nationalist 
strongholds. 
 
Anyhow, i was disappointed that FCB were knocked out by Chelsea - a club that 
is the anithesis of all that football should be about and whilst i wasn't 
too disappointed last night when RM got knocked out, it's impossible to say 
anything bad about Mou this year (poking his finger in the FCB coach apart): 
great powerful football and CR7 is only a whisker behind Messi.
 
Mario Gomez will charge through Chelsea and Bayern should easily win it, plus 
it's in their stadium.  
 

 To: p...@cundell.com; wiscole...@hotmail.com
 From: seanscr...@aol.com
 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:24:04 -0400
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] 2-1
 
 Yeah, but no Leeds supporter can support Barcelona either. Whining sods, 
 always getting favour from the refs and UEFA. I will never forget how somehow 
 they managed to get FOUR MINUTES of injury time at Elland Road in a half when 
 the physios hadn't come on once (not to mention getting Gordon McQueen sent 
 off in 1975). And I can't stand how so many folks in the news media just fawn 
 over them, not to mention the way people all over the world who've never been 
 to Spain, let alone Catalonia, declare themselves Barcelona fans. Good 
 riddance.
  
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Re: [LU] New levels of indifference

[Brendan McWilliams]

It pains me to say it, but Ireland were definitely the worst team in the whole 
tournament, closely followed by England - yes, even worse than Greece. 
 
I can't watch an England match these days without a non-stop pass count in my 
head: 1-2-3, ball lost and repeat... It is STAGGERING to see how England cannot 
maintain possession. The two good moves they had yesterday were the result of a 
string of consecutive passes, but otherwise it was constant losing the ball and 
crazy champagne passes. Truly amazing, like they were allergic to it.  I used 
to take huge enjoyment from England being hopeless, but now it's just 
ridiculous.   Young, Milner and yes, Gerrard, truly shocking. 
 
For those of you who haven't seen them, check out Liam Brady and Eamon Dunphy's 
half and full time analysis from RTE on YouTube. Priceless. 
 
On to my adopted Spain: what IS annoying though is that people say Spain's 
games are boring like it was Spain's fault, WTF! Spain are the Barcelona of 
world football at present obviously but France did a Chelsea and employed a 
blanket defence. Understandable tactic from the french, but if you pick 2 extra 
defenders you're gonna get the ball even less. Yes the game was a bit dull but 
blaming the spanish is lunacy.

 

 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 11:44:22 +0200
 From: rhe...@asd.edu.qa
 To: alec...@gmail.com
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] New levels of indifference
 
 The astonishing thing about England for me is HOW CRAP ROONEY HAS
 BECOME..*AND HOW NO ONE DARES MENTION IT!
 
 *I heard Hodgson say before the Ukraine game that if he didn't pick Rooney
 there would be a mutiny in the dressing room. So none of the players,
 certainly none of the commentators, dare address the issue..he
 is just awful. He loses the ball almost every time he gets it.
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Re: [LU] NON LU: Spain Brazil

[Brendan McWilliams]

DISCLAIMER: living in Spain, married to a spaniard, half spanish kids etc, thus 
been roused from lurking with this thread. :-

 

This recent line on Spain being boring and some being glad they lost (not just 
Dave Sutton below), criticism of their footballing style - if there was such a 
thing as footballing BLASPHEMY or luddite then this is it.  

 

Rather, it's more a case of simply turning on a team that have won too much 
lately i.e. there was no criticism of Spain's victories in '08 or '10 when they 
were the underdog and shedding their perennial loser bottler tag.  We all tire 
of the same team winning too much (apart from our beloved LUFC).

 

Recall that it was Zidane and France who put Spain out of the WC in 2006 BUT 
against a Spanish team which had HALF of the players who played on Sunday. 
Since then Spain changed their style a little i.e. they have had different 
styles and didn't do it, but this latter one has been SO successful.  If it's 
not broke...?Possesion football works for them but yes they should start 
looking at the Bayern Munich way with more power in central midfield - which is 
exactly what Brazil did with Paulinho and Dias - which Busquets tries to do but 
has faded a lot lately..

 

Let's not forget also that Spain were KNACKERED from both the long season and 
having played ET + penalties just two days before. I still can't understand why 
those who go to the Confed don't take more B players and rest the older ones.

 

But have they been boring? For me, absolutely not. Who remembers the tedium of 
France winning in '98 or '00 with Guivarche and Dugarry, with only ZZ to inject 
some quality? Or Greece in 2004, which was worse than anything Jack Charlton 
had the Rep playing in the 90s. Brazil in '94? Dire dire football.

 

Would I rather watch Spain mix it up like England and try any number of 
unsuccessful champagne passes like Gerrard up in the air to Carroll? Erm, pass 
on that one (see what i did there... :-).It's not fair to mention England 
here of course, but they are almost a footballing opposite. In recent years i 
can't watch England play without constantly counting the number of consecutive 
passes they make to each other - it rarely gets above 3 or 4. When England wins 
playing like that, is it exciting? For England fans yes, but you'll know it'll 
get found out and as a neutral, i think it's a sh1t way to play and no, it's 
rarely exciting.

 

Spain's possession football also suits the fact that a number of their players 
in the Spain first XI are actually not quite World Class but still they still 
have won: Torres (on the slide since 2008/9), Arbeloa (truly woeful the other 
night), Pique (good footballer, poor defender), Casillas (Mou was in large part 
right, although great at 1-on-1s), Navas has doesn't score goals and the final 
pass hasn't been great of late, then theres Valdés (a David James calamity 
every 5th match).  

 

Not to mention the fact that this is actually a VERY small team physically.  Is 
it boring to see little guys dink their way past clodders in midfield and 
keeping the ball off them?  It is FOOT ball afterall and anything that is not 
lamping a ball up to a beanpole donkey up front for a hopeful knockdown cannot 
be bad. 

 

Again, i'm biased, but the FC Barcelona of the last 4 years has been IMHO the 
best quality football there has ever been and if you're not excited by Messi or 
Villa then fek knows. 

 

Hasta Luego! :- 

 

BMW

 

 

 From: dsm...@dsmail.plus.com
 To: c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk
 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 10:03:14 +0100
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: Spain Brazil
 
 I see your point, but you are comparing a current day 2nd tier English club 
 with the World Champions. Well done to Spain and Barcelona for their 
 respective triumphs, but
 they have created a bland rigid style with no option to change and 
 presumably no intention of ever trying to. (Whilst Pat Nevin's observations 
 were interesting, it doesn't change the fact that it's boring.)
 This was clearly shown when they were losing 3-0 to Brazil the other night 
 and a change of tempo / style was needed and they weren't able to. A lot of 
 managers say that they concentrate on what their own team does and not worry 
 so much about the oppo.
 I believe this idea to have faults. It's the team that can adapt best to 
 what the opposition is doing that bosses the game. Spain could not adapt to 
 what Brazil were throwing at them
 and just continued as they were and went on to concede more goals.
 
 I don't consider myself audacious one bit, but the Spanish way which has 
 worked for them for so long is being replaced by a multi paced / styled 
 system as shown by the likes of Brazil and Bayern.
 And the big point - it's great to watch!
 
 One or two players with 10% of the likes of Iniesta's quality would be 
 dragged down by the other donkeys in the team. Think big, we need a bunch of 
 them. I wouldn't sell my soul
 though to 

Re: [LU] NON LU: Spain Brazil

[Brendan McWilliams]

Again, see previous email and my disclaimer and bias, BUT there have of 
course been some boring matches with Spain,  largely during Euro 2012 - but one 
has to blame the opposition they were up against and the tactics they employed 
to negate them. 

 

Two dire games involving Spain were the matches last year against France (Euro 
QF) and then the SF against Portugal.  

Both France  Portugal did nothing whatsoever beyond parking the bus as per 
what Mourinho had Inter Milan do against FCB in the CL Semi final of 2010. Both 
oppositions had 1 true creative player - Ribery, Ronaldo - with the remainder 
not likely to thread a pass like Pirlo. 

 

The surprise of Euro 2012 was how Italy didn't employ anthing remotely like 
catenaccio in any match - in particular the first game against Spain which was 
an absolute belter. Italy again tried to play and attack in the final, and 
Spain took full advantage in a far from boring match.  

 

Iniesta and Xavi are simply not capable of playing boring football - they are 
constantly looking for the killer pass and if they can't do that they short 
pass it keeping possession. 

 

Anyhow, with new signing Luke Murphy we'll be making the same complaint very 
soon! 

 

Btw, any takers yet for Tonge, Brown-eh, Pugh, Pearce, Varney and Norris yet??? 
 Actually, do we want rid of Tonge? 
 

 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 13:50:59 +0100
 From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: dsm...@dsmail.plus.com; c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: Spain Brazil
 
 Spain have played some of the best passing football the world has ever seen - 
 even in the Uruguay match some of the layoffs were superb, and how they only 
 got 2 is beyond me. Spain have also played some of the most boring footie too 
 on occasion - mind numbing stuff . Some teams will find them out, most won't! 
  
 To deny their absolute class is obtuse, but to deny how boring they are 'at 
 times' is to ignore reality.
  
 Right, off the fence...
 
 
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 10:03
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Re: [LU] Chelscum

[Brendan McWilliams]

Mourinho is hugely entertaining at the beginning of his 3 year max stay at Club 
X, then around the mid way point of the 2nd season he becomes a bit of a pain 
with the whole paranoia and victimisation tactics he employs to motivate the 
players. 

 

This accelerates into the 3rd season at which point he will have then lost the 
players, the press genuinely get fed up with him, he then invents the lack of 
backing from the club and/or not selecting a high profile club player  - then 
he moves on. 

 

As to Chelsea itself, they have long replaced Man U at the top of my least 
liked clubs.  
 

 From: dsm...@dsmail.plus.com
 To: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 02:36:30 +0100
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Chelscum
 
 I'm particularly pleased that Morhinio is back on these shores. His comments 
 and style add a certain spark. Even if they cause hatred, it all adds to 
 the fun!
 Chelsea and Man U are just big teams doing what they do - sadly we are not 
 these days.
 Jose for Elland Road please - bring it on!
 
 Dave
 
 
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Re: [LU] Happy Birthday John Boocock!

[Brendan McWilliams]

FELICIDADES BETTY, QUE CUMPLAS MUCHOS MÁS! 

Don BMW

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From: John Boocock j...@boocock.net 
Date: 03/10/2013  15:19  (GMT+01:00) 
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Happy Birthday John Boocock! 
 
Thanks everyone - all back to mine after work?

I have the keys to Pete's wagon!

Betty
(I'm 60 you know!)
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Re: [LU] Prospects -- Long and Short Term

[Brendan McWilliams]

Since that Friday evening in early Feb when we were all glued to Twitter the 
same thought has been going through my head - have we enough points to avoid 
relegation if we fall into Administration. 

44pts now and GD of -2, we'll need to get to 60pts from the remaining 12 
games... it's gonna be tight. 

If we do go into Admin briefly, what happens during the summer and next season 
- transfer embargo for how long? 

BMW

 From: m...@leeds-united.net
 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 23:12:57 +
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 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Prospects -- Long and Short Term
 
 I was more depressed this time last year with warnock 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  
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Re: [LU] Reading report

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi, 

 

I don't rule out Admin, but at the same time I expect Cellino's bid to go 
through - the FL knows that if he's rejected they are literally sinking the 
club. Plus who's that chappy who heads up the FL these days? Oh yeah... (for 
what it's worth).

 

Besides, a bit of alleged tax dodging is par for the course for any millionaire 
worth his salt. 

 

It's actually worse than the end of Colin's era, as this time a good guy 
espousing football has tried and actually failed bigger.

 

BMW
 

 From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 20:41:31 +1100
 To: nat...@sky.com
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Reading report
 
 The season is over Dave - it's yet another wasted year. I haven't felt 
 positive about us since we had Larry and two premiership class wingers 
 tearing it up. I know I'm something of a broken record on this but Bates 
 destroyed us when we had a chance at promotion to the promised land. Now we 
 have nothing. Cellino is not going to get approved, clearly. I don't know 
 much about Italian law but I do know this much - there will be no finality 
 when his case is heard hence the league will not approve him. What does this 
 mean for us in a takeover sense?
 
 Depressed of Perth.
 
 MOT
 
 Ian
 
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Re: [LU] Scousepool Fans

[Brendan McWilliams]

hi All, 

 

my football club blacklist contains the same clubs, but their positions are 
interchangeable, and at present it goes like:

 

1) Chelsea (by a considerable distance)

2) One of the Old Firm Teams (;-)

3) MUFC

4) Real Madrid

 

After yet another night of anti-football from a Mourinho XI vs Atlético last 
night, how anyone can wish that team well in any competition is beyond me. 

 

Due to 3) i've automatically wanted City to do well and ALSO Liverpool. 

 

Given that Liverpool are playing great football, Suarez is genuinely world 
class - like him or not - lots of young players, and let's not forget their 
wonderfully named manager 

 

So on Sunday, come on Liverpool!

 

BMW
 

 To: forzale...@aol.com; r.good...@bradford.ac.uk
 From: errand.fivef...@talk21.com
 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:05:17 +0100
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Scousepool Fans
 
 Agreed.
 
 Verner
 
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 From: Leeds List forzale...@aol.com
 Sent: ‎23/‎04/‎2014 12:56
 To: RM Goodair r.good...@bradford.ac.uk
 Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Scousepool Fans
 
 Agree 100% - fans full of self pity, self delusion, and enough chips on their 
 collective shoulders to open a branch of Harry Ramsdens.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [LU] Stick or twist

[Brendan McWilliams]

Norris - he was injured this year apparently, but you're joking?

 

How many are out of contract next month? 

 

 

 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:36:41 +0200
 From: davidwool...@gmail.com
 To: tedhea...@gmail.com
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Stick or twist
 
 Don't forget Norris. He's had a cracking season and one more year on his
 contract.
 
 Plus 2 more years to go of finding South London clubs to loan Morison out
 to.
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Ted tedhea...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Me, I'd keep...
  McCormack
  Byram
  Smith
  Murphy
  Pearce
  Mowatt
  ...and maybe Austin as a squad player.
 
  The rest? Thanks but goodbye.
 
  Anyway, where's Cellino? Its a bit quiet. McD did say he was meeting with
  him this week to discuss McD's future plan. I wonder if Cellino's plans
  include him.
 
  Ted H
  On 23 Apr 2014 11:30, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
  wrote:
 
   Awaiting retained list for first team, but quite a few out of contract
   anyway, so the list of players we want to keep (Mccormack) could well
  match
   UKIP's list of actual policies (kill all foreigners) - I suppose Murphy
   might make it as well, but anyone else?
  
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Re: [LU] Non lu

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi, 

 

hmmm, there really is quite an extraordinary amount of hysteria about this 
latest episode from the new favourite pantomine villain that is Luis Suarez. 

 

What he has now done at least twice and looking like a third is something my 2 
year old is now growing out of in the nursery.  All this he's not right is 
he, for goodness sake...  Clearly it's a reflex that gets the better of him 
when the red mist comes swirling down but why is it worse than some legendary 
assaults from e.g. Scholes, Shearer or Keane where the recipients have been 
booted in the face or had a career ending broken leg?  It's hardly cause for 
lining up ten clinical psychologists from Harley Street to give an opinion is 
it? Is it worse than gouging someone's EYE in rugby? 

 

As to his diving - alas rampant in the game - they're just as bad as any of the 
laughable falls of Ashley Young - if only he got taken to task for his. 

 

Quite why this is THE headline news, and why the english media needs a baddie 
every tournament is on the whole a bit sad to say the least. This is the same 
media who will have his face all over the place for the next SUPER DUPER S*Y 
SUNDAY BETTER THAN THE LAST ONE etc etc. Then the muppet journalists hoping for 
his execution now like he ate live new born babies will wait a month or two 
then trot out the usual redemption articles.

 

There are two outcomes: he'll get suspended for 1 match for the unseen mild 
head butt, or they'll grow a pair and ban him for a significant number of games 
for the bite. End of etc, can we please stop with the witch hunt. How about a 
witchhunt on something significant like why Cameron managed to create a 
scenario whereby the Hacking trial could be declared null and void without a 
re-trial. 

 

Anyhow, rant over, it was more about the media than Suarez behaving worse than 
my 2 year old i really have become my Dad, shouting at the TV and 
everything. :-

 

BMW
 

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 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Non lu
 
 
  On 25 Jun 2014, at 09:59, Nigel Barber ni...@mindbrix.co.uk wrote:
  
  Polite players win nothing.
 
 As opposed to biting, diving racially abusive players, who win so much. Like 
 the Dutch Cup, the English League Cup, and... Er...
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Re: [LU] World Cup

[Brendan McWilliams]

If you were English then of course the Scotland match would have been 
enjoyable, not to mention the whalloping the Dutch got and the 4-1. 

 

Otherwise my memories of that tournament were low scoring in general and the 
knockout stages being absolutely dire.

 

BMW
 

 Subject: Re: [LU] World Cup
 From: m...@leeds-united.net
 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:00:56 +0200
 CC: brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 To: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
 
 I was there for England v holland. Don't go to many England games but can't 
 seethe current/ immediate future England surpassing that day!!
 
 I was on a plane with Scottish mate for eng v sco. Best way to experience it. 
 No idea until we landed. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
  On 30 Jun 2014, at 01:24, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
  
  What about England v Scotland?
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  On 30 Jun 2014, at 4:20, Brendan brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com wrote:
  
  Euro 96??? That tournament on the whole was an abomination - dire football 
  throughout unless you were an English fan for 1 game (Holland).
  
  Germany the best team so far.
  
  BMW
  
  --- Original Message ---
  
  From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
  Sent: 29 June 2014 00:45
  To: m...@myray.com
  Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Subject: Re: [LU] World Cup
  
  Who won mate? I'm sat here arseholled listening to Jake Bugg. I can't work 
  our whether he's a shite Dylan tribute act or in fact he is the future. I 
  am impressed.
  
  On 28 Jun 2014, at 20:41, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:
  
  I agree.
  I am too tired to watch Columbia Uruguay. It'll end at almost two if it
  goes to penalties. I tell myself that it'll be boring. But I sense that
  it'll be very dirty and full of drama.
  
  
  
  
  
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  On 28 June 2014 22:19, Ted tedhea...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  How can anyone not be enjoying this world cup???
  Especially after the fantastic spectacle of Brazil v Chile?
  What a great game, it had everything. I'm knackered just watching it!
  
  This tournament is probably best I've ever seen (at least since Euro 96) 
  -
  no negative play, only attacking fast footy. I'm loving it!
  
  I think I've finally grown up - I'm not bothered who wins (I don't hate
  anyone anymore)...
  Brazil: the support is fantastic plus they sound like a pub side - Joe,
  Bernard, William, Fred and Hulk!
  Argies: I just love watching Messi.
  Germany: I love their football model so want them to prosper.
  (They're the teams we're supposed to dislike)
  As for the rest - some great attacking teams. Holland are my tip - after
  they tore Spain apart.
  
  As a nation, we're miles off. I agree with someone else's point - as long
  as Sky pump millions into the Premier League we won't see young English
  players coming thru as foreign players will come for the money.
  
  I guess I'll come down to reality with a bump come early August when I
  travel to Millwall or see our first home game! Here's hoping I'm wrong 
  and
  Hockawho is the amswer. I'm the eternal optimist where Leeds is concerned
  but I'm fearing the worst.
  
  Anyway, roll on Colombia v Suarez-less Uruguay. 3-1 ti Colombia.
  
  Ted H
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Re: [LU] Squad arrived in Italy

[Brendan McWilliams]

Well, look on the bright side - almost all the rubbish that we all wanted rid 
from last season are now gone with even Cameron Stewart now signing for 
Ipswich, and doubts about Paddy Kenny (have you seen the size of him!?).

 

If it's true that Fulham have offered 10m for McCormack, pff, that has to be 
accepted. Obviously the question remains as to what happens with that money, 
but 10m is unreal at this level and cannot be rejected. 

 

That said, without a influx of about 10 significant players in the next 2 weeks 
it looks very bad indeed.

 

BMW
 

 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 09:06:40 +0200
 From: davidwool...@gmail.com
 To: j...@jimmoran.co.uk
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Squad arrived in Italy
 
 Where's that young Irish lad we bought from Glenavon at the end of last
 season and who we aere having a friendly for as part of the deal?
 
 Astonishing that Zac Thompson still hangs on in there without ever
 seriously threatening the first team for getting on 5 years now. He has the
 survivial skills of a cockroach in the nuclear war. Whatever drama and cuts
 befall us, he's always just cheap enough, and notionally versatile
 enough as a player not to be worth culling.
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] ...and so it begins

[Brendan McWilliams]

At present a growing sense of nervousness but note that:

 

1) when I/we were doing our lists at the end of last season and who you'd 
happily see never play again, they are now almost all gone. Can't fault him 
there. 

 

2) Transfers are only permitted from July 1st, the transfer embargo was only 
lifted yesterday, and we've not had great success with free transfers in the 
past have we? 

 

3) I've no doubt he's lined up a string of Italians from Serie B etc - let's 
hope they adapt quickly, which is not usually the case i'm afraid at any level 
(Vialli, Zola apart) in the english league system for some reason.

 

4) Ross was ALWAYS going to go, and frankly anything over 5m (not to mention 
the much mentioned 10m from Fulham) cannot be rejected by a Championship club.  
Note also he'd a great season last year, but the previous three were not so 
dazzling. 

 

5) Paddy Kenny. The #17 story is obviously nonsense, and i too also think that 
it's more to do with the fact that he barely played the last 4 months last 
season, is getting on and is about twice the width I am. 

 

6) The club was losing 1m a month, and the fair play rules mean that you can't 
throw (a lot) of money at it? 

 

7) Buyback of ER is surely a maze of complications due to you know who. 

 

However, there's no getting away from the fact that it's going to end badly 
with Hockaday - 4 games max. 

 

But could it be that, maybe just maybe, it works out? Must we always go with 
the usual recyling of managers that at this level that brings nothing? OK, here 
I'm being wildly optimistic. 

 

BMW

 

SP LUFC and Twitter is particularly entertaining at the moment. Who was it that 
was anti Twitter once upon a time, moi?

 


 

 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 11:37:28 +0100
 From: phillshie...@hotmail.com
 To: m...@leeds-united.net
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] ...and so it begins
 
 Exactly but that isn't as newsworthy. Think the media have decided what tack 
 to take on any stories about our new owner.
 
 On Jul 3, 2014 9:21 AM, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote:
 Probably axed paddy kenny because he is now fatter than me rather than 
 anything to do with numbers
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
  On 3 Jul 2014, at 10:05, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  Wow. I'm really excited.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 3 Jul 2014, at 16:00, Roy Blackwell rd25...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
  First new signing made
  Stuart Taylor on 1 year contract
  On 3 Jul 2014 08:58, swin...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
  I was 17 in 1970 so that's me out too then. Wouldn't want to jinx the
  club when they are on a roll.
 
  And what about this?
 
  https://audioboo.fm/boos/2295990-gfh-capital-on-leeds-united-ex-md-davi
  d-haigh
 
  Betty
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Re: [LU] Fixtures

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi all, 

 

I still think that Cellino has done everything that i would have liked a new 
owner to have done apart from two things:

 

1) the Hock

2) an influx of players not used to the english 2nd tier.

3) get the finances under control 

 

The zillions of mails on The Hock are largely merited but miss one thing - he's 
got about 3 or 4 games to make it or he's out. End of. I reckon Zola will be 
installed before the end of Sept. 

 

For the new players, i think it was Dave Nattan that pointed out that the 
starting XI will still largely be half to two thirds of those from last 
season...and in any case, Kebe  Stewart were used to the Championship and look 
how well that went.  

 

Regards,

 

BMW
 

 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:36:28 +0100
 From: simon.h...@york.ac.uk
 To: markpill...@gmail.com
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Fixtures
 
 I use the Sky calendar builder. This one gets updated when games are moved
 for TV.
 
 http://www1.skysports.com/calendars
 
 
 On 29 July 2014 08:31, Mark Pilling markpill...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi gang
 
  Sorry I presumably missed this Anyone got a link to a csv or ical for
  putting our fixtures in Google calendar or outlook?
 
  Way I look at it (and I know, I don't get to go and watch) is I wish
  Hockaday well. He will have to be really good to survive long. His track
  record means no leeway for him, The fans, press and players will all turn
  on him the second things don't go well. So, hope it happens and he
  survives!
 
  Would be lovely to think that all these young Italians mean we will be
  playing cultured classy football and mesmerising the opposition with
  technically polished flair. I fear we're more likely to damage their games
  and knock that out of them by forcing thwm into an alien kick rush and
  hope.
 
  Anyway, best of luck everyone.
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[LU] One club worse than ours in the league?

[Brendan McWilliams]

hi, 

 

as crazy as LUFC is at the moment etc etc and the massive doubts we all have 
about The Hock etc, could it be that we'll have at least Blackpool below us in 
the league this year? 

 

Check out the following letter and the ownership shennigans going on there, 
it's very Captain Birdseye indeed:

 

http://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/news/article/open-letter-to-valeri-belokon-and-kaspars-varpins-177.aspx

 

BMW
  
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Re: [LU] Fixtures

[Brendan McWilliams]

oops, 3) actually he IS getting under control - if we believe the press at 
least. 
 

 From: brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:16:40 +
 Subject: Re: [LU] Fixtures
 
 Hi all, 
 
 
 
 I still think that Cellino has done everything that i would have liked a new 
 owner to have done apart from two things:
 
 
 
 1) the Hock
 
 2) an influx of players not used to the english 2nd tier.
 
 3) get the finances under control 
 
 
 
 The zillions of mails on The Hock are largely merited but miss one thing - 
 he's got about 3 or 4 games to make it or he's out. End of. I reckon Zola 
 will be installed before the end of Sept. 
 
 
 
 For the new players, i think it was Dave Nattan that pointed out that the 
 starting XI will still largely be half to two thirds of those from last 
 season...and in any case, Kebe  Stewart were used to the Championship and 
 look how well that went. 
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 
 
 BMW
 
 
  Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 09:36:28 +0100
  From: simon.h...@york.ac.uk
  To: markpill...@gmail.com
  CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Subject: Re: [LU] Fixtures
  
  I use the Sky calendar builder. This one gets updated when games are moved
  for TV.
  
  http://www1.skysports.com/calendars
  
  
  On 29 July 2014 08:31, Mark Pilling markpill...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Hi gang
  
   Sorry I presumably missed this Anyone got a link to a csv or ical for
   putting our fixtures in Google calendar or outlook?
  
   Way I look at it (and I know, I don't get to go and watch) is I wish
   Hockaday well. He will have to be really good to survive long. His track
   record means no leeway for him, The fans, press and players will all turn
   on him the second things don't go well. So, hope it happens and he
   survives!
  
   Would be lovely to think that all these young Italians mean we will be
   playing cultured classy football and mesmerising the opposition with
   technically polished flair. I fear we're more likely to damage their games
   and knock that out of them by forcing thwm into an alien kick rush and
   hope.
  
   Anyway, best of luck everyone.
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Re: [LU] 2 1 victory

[Brendan McWilliams]

I'm only moderately concerned:

 

- with the exception of McCormack we've kept the good players and binned out 
the dross entirely (except maybe Kenny  Warnock and i too hold some belief 
that Morison may come good)

 - if we have a bad start it'll be short, Cellino will simply boot him out 
after 3 or 4 games. 

 

On a different note, is Twitter killing this list? 
 

 From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:19:59 +0300
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 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] 2 1 victory
 
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Re: [LU] Tactical Genius quote no 1

[Brendan McWilliams]

Dave - couldn't agree more. 
 

 From: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:57:12 +0100
 Subject: Re: [LU] Tactical Genius quote no 1
 
 as usual, clear, concise grown up analysis from Dave. Not much anyone can
 argue with ;)
 
 Nattan IN!
 
  To be fair about 90% of what players and managers say can be put into this
  category The anti Hock stuff made me smile yesterday when some idiot on
  waccoe posted that Bryam had injured his hamstring and would be out for
 SNIP 
  For me Hockaday is an odd choice but whoever we got would have a limited
  shelf life and who knows he may be decent. He has spent 40years in the
  game as a player and assistant backroom boy so he MUST surely know more
  than us about the running of a football club and how to deal with players
 
 
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Re: [LU] Tactical Genius quote no 1

[Brendan McWilliams]

Surely a Dopiaza dish is unbeatable? 
 

 From: a...@andybrown.co.uk
 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:35:28 +0100
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
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 Where can I try this? It sounds awful but I have to try it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 31 Jul 2014, at 13:03, Chris Briggs c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
  
  I'm with Ian on this, then again given some of the erm, how shall I put it, 
  knuckle dragging types that have been known to inhabit the forum are you 
  sure they just haven't poured jalfrezi sauce on a full English ;o)
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  On 31 Jul 2014, at 12:43, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
  
  Egg? What sourcery (or saucery) is this? 
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  On 31 Jul 2014, at 19:39, Rick Duniec ri...@ntlworld.com wrote:
  
  - Original Message - 
  Pre-season is nigh finished - and not one thread about Curry Houses - we 
  are
  indeed doomed :)
  
  The burning question on WACCOE is whether or not Jalfrezi should have egg 
  in it, and if it does should it be scrambled or boiled.
  (Jalfrezi has now become the UK's favorite Indian Curry).
 
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Re: [LU] What is it with MC and watermelons?

[Brendan McWilliams]

Even before a single game under his tutelage, may I be the first on the List to 
say Milanic OUT!!! ... :- 

 

As for Massimo, in his defence that expression he used is very common - at 
least here in sunny España. 

 

BMW
 

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 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:07:22 +0800
 To: graham.longbot...@gmail.com
 CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] What is it with MC and watermelons?
 
 That's what he said about Hockaday.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 24 Sep 2014, at 06:59, Graham Longbottom graham.longbot...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  
  ... And because he's a very cool guy
  
  Cellino added: His particularly qualities? He's good looking, what can I
  tell you?
  Not exactly reassuring that he's been carefully chosen.
  I hope it doesn't dampen the high expectations I have for Brentford game.
  
  G
  
  On Tuesday, 23 September 2014, Alec McQueen alec...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
  
  Cheers
  Alec
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Re: [LU] Edgar Cani

[Brendan McWilliams]

What a relief to hear that he's not coming back! 

 

Twitter #lufc exploded in fury of course, with minimal mention of the fact that 
he hasn't played hardly in TWO YEARS, couldn't trap a bag of cement when he was 
playing and is now on the wrong side of 30.

 

As for Warnock, it's too bad that he's not seeing out the rest of the season 
but why would you give him a contract after last season? 
 

Can't fault Il Presidente on both counts, there is just that small matter of 
being 4th bottom only now... 

 

Betty - can't believe you went back down to Broken Britain ;- 

 

BMW

 

 From: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:17:31 -0500
 Subject: Re: [LU] Edgar Cani
 
 
 
  Subject: Re: [LU] Edgar Cani
  From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
  Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:30:56 +
  CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
  To: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
  
  http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11715/9644529/transfer-centre-leeds-chase-catania-striker-edgar-cani-but-rule-out-luciano-becchio-return
  
  Refreshing. 
 Refreshing indeed though the last line saying He is the best coach we could 
 have at the moment makes me wonder how long that moment will last.
 Still, no Becchio is please any way you look at it.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Hard Division next year

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi, 
 
the same thing is said every year: the three coming down from above and the 
in-form recently promoted teams will be hard to handle etc. but it rarely makes 
the division any more difficult. 
 
I have full confidence in our ability to reach mid table mediocrity 
irrespective of newcomers.
 
Of the three who come down from the Prem, typically one goes straight back up 
automatically, one might make the Playoffs, one usually self combusts and has 
serious problems (e.g. QPR, Wigan).  OF those that come up from L1, as likely 
as not one or two will go down. 
 
 
BMW
 
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> Subject: Re: [LU] Hard Division next year
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> 
> On 12 May 2016 at 10:48, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> > I believe he will spend in the Summer.
> >
> > Cellino out campaign has definitely lost some wind recently.
> >
> > Let's see.
> >
> >
> > --
> > *From:* Dr Michael Benjamin 
> > *To:* "nat...@sky.com" 
> > *Cc:* Leeds List 
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 12 May 2016, 7:56
> > *Subject:* Re: [LU] Hard Division next year
> >
> > Dave,
> > Dream on.
> > This is all about Cellino and his fantasies as a head cook and bottlewasher
> > in the football industry.
> > Apart from the supporters, there is nothing left us as a club. We missed
> > every train, they stole the tracks and wrecked the station. What you see
> > now is a lunatic asylum.
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > Dr Michael Benjamin,
> > Community Psychiatrist
> > ​0505317772
> > -
> > Oranit || Crossed Lines Amazon
> > <
> > http://www.amazon.com/Oranit-Crossed-Lines-Malcolm-Green-ebook/dp/B00WR7WCRS/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?_encoding=UTF8==
> > >
> > -
> > ​
> > Blog:
> > ​
> > 
> > *http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/author/michael-benjamin/
> > *
> > -
> > myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT
> > http://www.myRay.com 
> > http://www.myRay.org 
> > --
> > Mental Health:
> > http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com 
> > 
> > Auditing || Quality Control
> > http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > On 11 May 2016 at 23:44, nat...@sky.com  wrote:
> >
> > > Cellino had better spend well with Newcastle and Norwich joining Villa in
> > > relegationAdd Wigan on the upsurge and the Division next season looks
> > even
> > > harder to get out of than it was this year ?
> > > We need to get the manager sorted asap and bring in the new players ready
> > > for preseason
> > > Hopefully he will actually back up his words with action and entice a lot
> > > of the missing fans back
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Re: [LU] NonLU: Radiohead

[Brendan McWilliams]

I thought "OK Computer" and "The Bends" were not for me upon early listenings, 
then slowly but surely it sinks into the point that nearly 20 years later 
OK Computer is still for me my favourite album. Then again, I've fallen off the 
musical map in recent years so my judgement is way off these days.
 
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 22:03:08 +0200
> From: davidwool...@gmail.com
> To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] NonLU: Radiohead
> 
> You'll never get a good Radiohead album with Cellino in charge...
> 
> Off to see them next Saturday night (after keeping the Leeds Lards ‎footy 
> efforts traditional going during the day with Big Al and Allard). Will judge 
> it after I've heard it live. 
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2016 21:49
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] NonLU: Radiohead
> 
> So what do people think of Radiohead's new album ?
> 
> Must admit I've only heard one tune so far and that was enough for me.
> 
> Bloody awful.
> 
> Genius or prententious rubbish ?
> 
> http://youtu.be/TTAU7lLDZYU
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Really Poor

[Brendan McWilliams]

Trap door being wound out for Monk?

Steve Bruce anyone?

Tin hat on...

BMW



On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:55 PM +0200, "Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)" 
> wrote:


Well.. A quite abysmal performance against a QPR team with no big names 
operating on their last season of parachute payments.

I'd have taken a 2-1 defeat in an exciting game having played well, but I can't 
remember feeling so disillusioned after just one game,  ever.  Another defeat 
and performance like that in the next few games, and Monkey won't last long.

Anyway I'm going list the players in order of Crapness.

Green - Quite what that sort of start, after 3 minutes,  can do to a team's 
confidence in him - I shudder to think.
Grimes
Wood
Dallas
Diaraguaga
Roofe
Vieira
Berardi
Coyle
Bamba
Taylor
Bartley
Antonnson
Sacko  - Only on the field for 15 mins, so that says it all.

Probably a bit harsh on the youngsters there, whose positions in the table were 
not helped by goal-costing errors.  Green is experienced enough to have no 
excuses.

KOT.


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Re: [LU] (Only very slightly LU) Shameless plug

[Brendan McWilliams]

Congratulations Rob - writing a book is impressive enough, getting someone to 
take a punt on it and publish, that's really impressive.


That must be 3 published authors on the list - Dr Mike, Chris, and now Rob?


BMW



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Brendan Osborne 

Sent: 28 February 2017 00:19
To: Rob Heath; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] (Only very slightly LU) Shameless plug

Congrats Rob - well done!!



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Rob Heath 

Sent: 28 February 2017 00:07
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] (Only very slightly LU) Shameless plug

My first novel has been released today:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tangerine-Dream-Rob-Heath/dp/1786292564/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1488240284=8-1=a+tangerine+dream+by+rob+heath

A Tangerine Dream: Amazon.co.uk: Rob Heath: 9781786292568: 
Books
www.amazon.co.uk
Buy A Tangerine Dream by Rob Heath (ISBN: 9781786292568) from Amazon's Book 
Store. Free UK delivery on eligible orders.




It has a few Leeds United bits in it, but I'm sure you'll all want to buy
it anyway!

It has been described by one critic (OK, my wife) as "a rattling good read!"
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Re: [LU] (Only very slightly LU) Shameless plug

[Brendan McWilliams]

Wow, Sean - most impressed! What a list this is!


From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Damian Walsh 
<pussaydam...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:50:46 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] (Only very slightly LU) Shameless plug

Are your books available from anyone other than Amazon?

Curmudgeonly, Damian

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:36 PM, {broken-address} <
seanscr...@aol.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

> You can make that at least four published authors on the list:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Not-Good-Day-Die-Operation/dp/
> 0425207870/ref=sr_1_1?s=books=UTF8=1488288764=1-1&
> keywords=not+a+good+day+to+die+the+untold+story+of+operation+anaconda
>
>
> and
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Relentless-Strike-History-Special-Operations/dp/
> 1250014549/ref=pd_sim_14_2?_encoding=UTF8=1=
> VRGNF9ZTTD9D0C19XSJJ
>
>
> Well done, Rob.
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brendan McWilliams <brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com>
> To: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2017 3:26 am
> Subject: Re: [LU] (Only very slightly LU) Shameless plug
>
> Congratulations Rob - writing a book is impressive enough, getting someone
> to take a punt on it and publish, that's really impressive.
>
>
> That must be 3 published authors on the list - Dr Mike, Chris, and now Rob?
>
>
> BMW
>
>
> 
> From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Brendan
> Osborne <bosborn...@hotmail.com>
> Sent: 28 February 2017 00:19
> To: Rob Heath; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] (Only very slightly LU) Shameless plug
>
> Congrats Rob - well done!!
>
>
> 
> From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Rob Heath <
> rhe...@hkis.edu.hk>
> Sent: 28 February 2017 00:07
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] (Only very slightly LU) Shameless plug
>
> My first novel has been released today:
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tangerine-Dream-Rob-Heath/dp/
> 1786292564/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1488240284=8-1&
> keywords=a+tangerine+dream+by+rob+heath
>
> A Tangerine Dream: Amazon.co.uk: Rob Heath: 9781786292568: Books<
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tangerine-Dream-Rob-Heath/
> dp/1786292564/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1488240284=8-1&
> keywords=a+tangerine+dream+by+rob+heath>
> www.amazon.co.uk<http://www.amazon.co.uk>
> Buy A Tangerine Dream by Rob Heath (ISBN: 9781786292568) from Amazon's
> Book Store. Free UK delivery on eligible orders.
>
>
>
>
> It has a few Leeds United bits in it, but I'm sure you'll all want to buy
> it anyway!
>
> It has been described by one critic (OK, my wife) as "a rattling good
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Re: [LU] Liverpool 2 Leeds 0

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi all,


from my armchair in foreign climes:

- Silvestri should have came out, and when he does come out take everything 
with him as a proper keeper should. The fact is he lacks a pair so hard to say 
if he's a better option than Green, Green by a whisker probably.

- Sacko has got worse as the season has gone on,

- sorry, Doukara is still terrible even with renewed desire these days,

- i can't for the life of me understand the abuse Wood gets. I mean, if he got 
those goals AND did the rest, he wouldn't still be with us now would he?

- but no matter how limited Wood is, he's light years ahead of Becchio, he got 
the odd goal but he was shockingly bad.

- my man Eunan I expect to shine with Bridcutt alongside him, he's been 
inconsistent...


The squad loanees are: Hernandez, Bartley, Jannsoon (automatic purchase on 20 
appearances), Grimes and Sacko right?


Stating the bleeding obvious but of that lot: Bartley & Jansson obviously, 
question mark over Hernandez, and so far a no for Grimes and Sacko.


Regards,


BMW


PS why is the list server messing around with the sender names?






From: Leedslist  on behalf of Jeremy Thorpe 

Sent: 30 November 2016 16:35
To: '{broken-address} Richard Walker'; 'John Boocock'
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Liverpool 2 Leeds 0

I said the first time I saw him preseason at Peterborough, Sacko is Carton
Palmer on Red Bull. He has a worse first touch than our old mate Becchio and
I haven't seen him hit the target once yet.
However in his defence he does work exceptionally hard when tracking back to
help his full back.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
{broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 21:31
To: John Boocock
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Liverpool 2 Leeds 0

Sacko - is a sack of shit.


> On 29 Nov 2016, at 21:26, John Boocock  wrote:
>
> Woodburn 80 mins
>
> Sent from the North
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Re: [LU] Fwd: None LU: Andy Murray World Number one (;-))

[Brendan McWilliams]

Not really a fan of Tennis but I always support Andy Murray, precisely because 
he's Scottish, and always wanted Henman to win.

Clearly lots of English have taken against Murray for his _possibly_ wanting 
Scottish independence.

However I want Federer to win every match as he's been the most stylish and 
graceful player I can remember.

BMW

PS I reserve my anyone-but-the-english primarily for the soccer and in 
particular the rugby.




From: Leedslist  on behalf of Rob Heath 

Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 4:11:16 PM
To: Graham Thirkill
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: None LU: Andy Murray World Number one (;-))

I did indeed love good old "Come on" Tim. Winning is not everything in
sport, although it's amazing how many people watch or play sport yet don't
know that.

P.s. No.
On 5 Jun 2017 21:57, "Graham Thirkill" 
wrote:

> Maybe because he’s a winner and world number one…….each to their own
> Rob….Maybe, then, you drooled over, never-one-owt, Tim Henman….. he had
> charisma but little else IMHHO……..
>
> Cheers and Beers
> Thirkers
>
> PS….Did you visit me in Whitby at my business, about 15 years ago, with
> your son If so,
> I hope he still has the John Charles signed programme I have gave
> him…. Sorry if I’m wrong,
> but it was a long time ago, but a few people used to come to see me in
> Whitby…..
>
>
> Rob Heath Posted;_
>
> You're going to think I'm being deliberately contrary, but I have to say
> that I cannot warm to Murray.
>
> I used to despise him with a passionafter he single handedly won
> us the Davis Cup I tried hard to like him, but I just can't.
>
> For some reason, style is SO important in tennis. Murray is undoubtedly a
> impressively effective player who yes does play some great shots, and yes
> he's a fantastic competitor but he's got none of the style or charisma of,
> as a perfect example, these two fabulous players who are on court
> nowMonfils and Wawrinka.
> On 5 Jun 2017 20:52, "Graham Thirkill" 
> wrote:
>
>> Just watched World "Number One" Andy Murray cruise through to the last
>> eight in the French open, three sets to nil. I remember a few years ago I
>> seemed to be the only Andy Murray fan on this list. I mentioned his name
>> and got blasted by a few on here.
>> Not one other lister had a good word to say about him, I distinctly
>> remember that……although that didn’t really surprise me. Seeing as he has
>> won just about everything and being knighted as well, I suppose some of you
>> will dislike him even more……It is because he’s a winner or a Scot or that
>> he’s both…Just wondered???
>> Have a good Monday gents…..
>> Cheers and Beers
>> Thirkers\098/
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Re: [LU] Fwd: None LU: Andy Murray World Number one (;-))

[Brendan McWilliams]

*Missing a smiley mischievous emoticon there, so please don't flame me to 
death. ;-/

From: Brendan McWilliams <brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 4:20:32 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: None LU: Andy Murray World Number one (;-))

Not really a fan of Tennis but I always support Andy Murray, precisely because 
he's Scottish, and always wanted Henman to win.

Clearly lots of English have taken against Murray for his _possibly_ wanting 
Scottish independence.

However I want Federer to win every match as he's been the most stylish and 
graceful player I can remember.

BMW

PS I reserve my anyone-but-the-english primarily for the soccer and in 
particular the rugby.




From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Rob Heath 
<rhe...@hkis.edu.hk>
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 4:11:16 PM
To: Graham Thirkill
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: None LU: Andy Murray World Number one (;-))

I did indeed love good old "Come on" Tim. Winning is not everything in
sport, although it's amazing how many people watch or play sport yet don't
know that.

P.s. No.
On 5 Jun 2017 21:57, "Graham Thirkill" <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

> Maybe because he’s a winner and world number one…….each to their own
> Rob….Maybe, then, you drooled over, never-one-owt, Tim Henman….. he had
> charisma but little else IMHHO……..
>
> Cheers and Beers
> Thirkers
>
> PS….Did you visit me in Whitby at my business, about 15 years ago, with
> your son If so,
> I hope he still has the John Charles signed programme I have gave
> him…. Sorry if I’m wrong,
> but it was a long time ago, but a few people used to come to see me in
> Whitby…..
>
>
> Rob Heath Posted;_
>
> You're going to think I'm being deliberately contrary, but I have to say
> that I cannot warm to Murray.
>
> I used to despise him with a passionafter he single handedly won
> us the Davis Cup I tried hard to like him, but I just can't.
>
> For some reason, style is SO important in tennis. Murray is undoubtedly a
> impressively effective player who yes does play some great shots, and yes
> he's a fantastic competitor but he's got none of the style or charisma of,
> as a perfect example, these two fabulous players who are on court
> nowMonfils and Wawrinka.
> On 5 Jun 2017 20:52, "Graham Thirkill" <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Just watched World "Number One" Andy Murray cruise through to the last
>> eight in the French open, three sets to nil. I remember a few years ago I
>> seemed to be the only Andy Murray fan on this list. I mentioned his name
>> and got blasted by a few on here.
>> Not one other lister had a good word to say about him, I distinctly
>> remember that……although that didn’t really surprise me. Seeing as he has
>> won just about everything and being knighted as well, I suppose some of you
>> will dislike him even more……It is because he’s a winner or a Scot or that
>> he’s both…Just wondered???
>> Have a good Monday gents…..
>> Cheers and Beers
>> Thirkers\098/
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Re: [LU] Curry

[Brendan McWilliams]

It'll last at most 2 or 3 months. His post match press conferences here in 
Spain when he was at Athletic Bilbao were pure comedy - in one of them he 
looked at the table the whole time and never once at the journalists.

_IF_ it works out, the players will be be exhausted and spent by March.

Se?or BMW


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 9:21:40 PM
To: Ben Thorpe; Phill Shields; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Curry



>Has he signed yet?! :)


Maybe the delay shows that all sides are serious, but want to get things right. 
 It seems that his renumeration package is not an issue, but more the 
contractual terms around what he's in control of.

I'm still not 100% convinced he is the "one".  I think his lack of English is 
going to be an issue.  People point to Pottetchino as an example of successful 
non English speakers.  Correct but there are loads more examples (Puel a very 
recent one) when it may have been a factor in their failure.  Plus Bielsa is a 
very different kettle of fish, he old at 62 as well.   His last 2 jobs have 
blown up and that was with better squads in the countries top leagues.

How are many of our players going to learn a new system in a foreign language 
in a few weeks?  Even if we buy 5 or 6 new first teamers, that's even more 
issues of integration.

I've read lots of admiring articles about his tactic's but hey all also mention 
a very fiery temperament and I'm not sure that is what's needed.

Is there anyone 100% convinced of this appointment who can calm me down?
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Re: [LU] Tippy Tappy

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi all,

provoked into a semi-defence of Spain

Their way of playing - possession football  on the ground - remains the best 
quality football over the last decade. Both RM & FCB play this way, it's a joy 
to watch, has been a joy to watch now for years and you only need to look at 
their European trophies these last 10 years.

RM's midfield has the likes of Modric, Isco and Kroos, FCB have Coutinho,  
Rakitic and Messi - and none of them know how to tackle because they don't have 
to with possession football.

(Note also that RM haven't really spent that much money recently - their last 
splurge was 3 years ago, although I suspect that's about to change.)

Spain's abysmal failure is due to:
- their players and style being so good that every single frickin' team that 
plays them now has already given up before they start. They park the bus (and 
then some) and go for a 0-0 draw. Russia in particular yesterday, Iran before 
them. Even Portugal sat back.  Saying Spain are boring, yet overlooking the 
opposition is plain silly. When Mou's teams do nothing and shut up shop, the 
other team are accused of being dull?

- half the team being from a club team that has Ronaldo, the other half a club 
team that has Messi. So these guys are all waiting around for a spark of genius 
that isn't coming, then it's just giving it to someone else hoping they'll have 
that creativity. Xavi was able to do it, Isco is nearly there, but otherwise 
they're all passing around hoping for something to happen. You could say the 
same for Germany too - all waiting for a killer pass or touch of magic that 
never came.

- So, if it's playing against 9 or 10 defenders and you can't dribble through 
THAT many or thread a pass through minimal space, then the only options are 
crosses from the wings or long balls from deep.  Whilst Hierro played Costa up 
front, nobody played off him (like what Griezmann does in ATM) and so he's 
totally isolated and looks like a lemon but when used right, he's outstanding.  
No wingers: yesterday they had Asensio (not a winger really), Isco went into 
the middle and Silva is brilliant but not a winger either.

All this BS about tiki-taka being dull etc - what do you do if the other team 
doesn't want to play? You give them the ball?  They usually don't even want the 
ball as they'll just lose it going forward, then get caught.  In short, Spain 
should have went longer with speed - but they didn't and another tournament 
wasted.

As to weather this is a great WC or not - yes it is.

So few teams play by lamping the ball up by default, all are playing on the 
ground, the refs have been mostly outstanding, numerous games decided in the 
last 10mins and yes, VAR has been a good addition.   The lack of "stars" you 
have to put down to the fact that there are so few very bad teams any more and 
it's a more equal tournament (compared to others). All the stars before shone 
because they were basically playing against traffic cones.

Also, who can remember Euro 92, Euro 96 (the other games), about half of Italia 
90,  quite a lot of WC2010 (Algeria vs England anyone?) they were 
absolutely dire. Best WC in recent times for me was WC2006 when a young Germany 
came through under Klinsmann playing amazing football.

BMW



From: Leedslist  on behalf of {broken-address} 
John Lee 
Sent: 02 July 2018 10:24
To: Nigel Sykes; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Tippy Tappy

Firstly, I hadn't heard about Brian Mac - absolutely the right decision, 
despite all that has been achieved. The sheer bloody mindedness he's shown 
recently, at least publicly, in refusing to accept there were problems was 
ludicrous. The Rhinos need a serious overhaul, so should be very interesting!
Re the WC, yep, some of the European teams have been the worst for negativity. 
I'd hoped Senegal might qualify as I liked their gung-ho approach, but look 
where that got them? Mind you, the sheer amateurism of teams like Tunisia, 
Saudi Arabia when defending has been pitiful. God knows how poor the comp will 
be by the American one as they're increasing the number to 48!! They might make 
loads of money, but some of the games will be pointless!
Now, come on Mexico

  From: Nigel Sykes 
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Monday, 2 July 2018, 10:09
 Subject: Re: [LU] Tippy Tappy

Definitely not the best ever in terms of quality of football.  But in terms of 
entertainment? Sure - it took until yesterday's turgid few hours of dullness to 
remind me what the World Cup was usually like, especially in the knock-out 
stages.

Thankfully, there's only on more all-European tie left in this round, because 
that's where the fun usually drains away.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

P.S. McDermott gone from Rhinos...

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} John Lee
Sent: 02 July 2018 09:59
To: Roger Goodair; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] 

Re: [LU] Tippy Tappy

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hiya,


unquestionably Spain were flippin' dire yesterday. Quite how none of them 
caught on themselves that they needed to go long, use the wings or run at them 
is beyond us all.


However, a comparison with City though can't be made, nor is it fair to tie 
fully Spain's way of playing with Guardiola - in fact, Guardiola has moved on, 
but Spain hasn't.


In any case, Spain's style precedes Guardiola somewhat. Spain won Euro 2008 
with Luis Aragones (Pep became FCB manager in 2008) so they were already 
playing possession football - but they had runners: Torres (yes, he did run), 
Villa and Pedro.  This Spain put on the runners ONLY at the end to complement 
Costa with Aspas & Moreno - but by then it was too late.


The Pep comparison is also irrelevant as Man City do not play against teams who 
in a nutshell refuse to play. There's not one EPL team that would dare to play 
for a 0-0 draw - their own fans would boo them off the pitch and the coach 
would be sacked in a question of weeks.


In the WC it's of paramount importance to NOT lose your 1st game, and given 
that there's only 3 x group games, shutting-up-shop and playing for a draw is 
commonplace against the top seed.  Thus Spain (and most #1 seeds) end up 
playing against blanket defences resulting in awful tedious games until they 
get more equal opposition in the knockout stage and they can play (see France).


I can't remember the last team to take it to Spain properly - probably Holland 
4 years ago - but all my excuses above are just that - they got it badly wrong.


Anyhow, enough of my homily - not hard to see I'm a bit biased!!


BMW



From: John Lee 
Sent: 02 July 2018 11:46
To: Brendan McWilliams; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Tippy Tappy

Much of what you say I agree with. On Spain however, the sheer lack of 
willingness to probe was what lead to their elimination. Teams have always 
parked the bus, and whilst it can be as boring as hell, it is not their job to 
help Spain beat them. Man City employ a variety of the type of football Spain 
could have employed - possesion based but with a cutting edge, and hard 
pressing to get back any lost ball. They could have played Costa + 1 up front, 
but they didn't. And, when push came to shove, they took some really poor 
penalties. That is genuinely surprising given their pass accuracy rate, but of 
course most of that is along their back line with no pressure. I would just 
have liked them to have really had a go - they could have won the thing!

Great World Cup? Well, clearly a personal view. Refs have been good to very 
good, VAR usually a positive, stadia look great, no reports of bad stuff going 
on (aside from the ticket touting for England's game tomorrow in particular). 
But are there teams you can't wait to watch, who you know will provide real 
entertainment as well as having footballing ability? Less sure about that. 
Uruguay look the real deal - great defending, but committed attacking too 
(Suarez was outstanding v Portugal); England might be right up there, but 
there's been plenty of play-safe rubbish.




From: Brendan McWilliams 
To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2018, 11:55
Subject: Re: [LU] Tippy Tappy


Hi all,

provoked into a semi-defence of Spain

Their way of playing - possession football  on the ground - remains the best 
quality football over the last decade. Both RM & FCB play this way, it's a joy 
to watch, has been a joy to watch now for years and you only need to look at 
their European trophies these last 10 years.

RM's midfield has the likes of Modric, Isco and Kroos, FCB have Coutinho,  
Rakitic and Messi - and none of them know how to tackle because they don't have 
to with possession football.

(Note also that RM haven't really spent that much money recently - their last 
splurge was 3 years ago, although I suspect that's about to change.)

Spain's abysmal failure is due to:
- their players and style being so good that every single frickin' team that 
plays them now has already given up before they start. They park the bus (and 
then some) and go for a 0-0 draw. Russia in particular yesterday, Iran before 
them. Even Portugal sat back.  Saying Spain are boring, yet overlooking the 
opposition is plain silly. When Mou's teams do nothing and shut up shop, the 
other team are accused of being dull?

- half the team being from a club team that has Ronaldo, the other half a club 
team that has Messi. So these guys are all waiting around for a spark of genius 
that isn't coming, then it's just giving it to someone else hoping they'll have 
that creativity. Xavi was able to do it, Isco is nearly there, but otherwise 
they're all passing around hoping for something to happen. You could say the 
same for Germany too - all waiting for a killer pass or touch of magic that 
never came.

- So, if it's playing against 9 or 10 defenders and you can't dribble 

[LU] Can we get Marco Silva?

[Brendan McWilliams]

Taxi for Thomas Christiansen
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Re: [LU] Rams(hackle)

[Brendan McWilliams]

I'm actually speechless.

Se?or BMW


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 7:47:49 PM
To: Leedslist
Subject: [LU] Rams(hackle)

There are still some holes in the team (PF for one) and possession isn't
100%. Derby however are still a set of dirty bastards their attitude
compliments ours :-) Derby's new boy Tomori? Looks good in defence.

Betty (in the armchair room of the List retirement home)
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Re: [LU] Make that 44

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi John,


just made a modest contribution to the running of the list.


Bar a few years in the late 90s, I've been on this list since 1994 I think 
(definitely when I was a student) and whilst Twitter has usurped a lot of the 
chit chat, I remain on it because I WANT to read the reports from those who go 
to the games - in particular those from Rich Walker, Dave Nattan and Steve 
McNally.


THANK YOU ALL


BMW



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Sent: 19 April 2018 18:16
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] The Fabulous 43

I defer to the Member for Wines Spirits and other strong drink possibly
still esconsed in his cellars in the Heavy Woollen District


On 19/04/2018 19:27, Andy Brown wrote:
> An artisan wine or beer label?

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Re: [LU] Make that 44

[Brendan McWilliams]

Apologies SIMON :-)

From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 12:17:09 PM
To: Brendan McWilliams
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Make that 44

Steve?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Apr 2018, at 10:37, Brendan McWilliams <brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
>
> just made a modest contribution to the running of the list.
>
>
> Bar a few years in the late 90s, I've been on this list since 1994 I think 
> (definitely when I was a student) and whilst Twitter has usurped a lot of the 
> chit chat, I remain on it because I WANT to read the reports from those who 
> go to the games - in particular those from Rich Walker, Dave Nattan and Steve 
> McNally.
>
>
> THANK YOU ALL
>
>
> BMW
>
>
> 
> From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of John Boocock 
> <j...@boocock.net>
> Sent: 19 April 2018 18:16
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] The Fabulous 43
>
> I defer to the Member for Wines Spirits and other strong drink possibly
> still esconsed in his cellars in the Heavy Woollen District
>
>
>> On 19/04/2018 19:27, Andy Brown wrote:
>> An artisan wine or beer label?
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Re: [LU] One slightly peripheral thing

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi,

I've been prompted out of lurking

The translation by Salim is excellent.  Note that Bielsa not only speaks 
Argentinian Spanish, it's usually very technical (from a football point of 
view) and then Salim has to get the balance right between the local football 
speak and what is actually said - in seconds.

I listened to pieces of what MB said - and there's little or nothing I'd have 
changed.


BMW

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 5:00:59 PM
To: Robert Heath
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] One slightly peripheral thing

As far as I know , Lamrani does no translating during the match and sits
with the injured players (Berardi, Dallas, Brownm, etc)
In fact, there are vides of him celebrating with the non-players during the
match (Alioski vs Forest)

During the match Corbaran appears to do all Bielsa's translating.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 15:39, Robert Heath  wrote:

> Just like everyone else on this list, I am now completely gaga about our
> wonderful manager.
>
> One thing though, and I've actually thought this for a while: no doubt part
> of his success is that he has very good people working for him, but one
> person he really needs to think about upgrading is his translator. I do not
> underestimate how hard it must be, but this Salim Lamrani does not do a
> very good job of translating El Genius's words into sensible English.
> Normally, if His words are not perfectly transmitted to a stupid bunch of
> reporters and a few fans watching on TV, it is no big deal, but it IS
> important that he gets his message across exactly and precisely to the
> players. (Although obviously it doesn't really look like he isn't getting
> his message across!) Furthermore, in situations like this (and hopefully we
> won't have any more of them) it is vital that his exact meaning is
> transmitted. Especially with the bastards at the FL ready to pounce on any
> indiscretion.
>
> Does Lamrani have any other role apart from translator?
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Re: [LU] Henry Winter in the TImes - "why the Prem need Leeds " - great stuff and true

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi all,

He might write very well, he might be a Leeds fan, he might be writing 
something nice about LUFC - but Henry Winter's articles are to be avoided. He's 
a sanctimonious peddler of i-told-you-so guff and he rarely actually reveals or 
investigates anything new.

Regardless of club or player, he's there buttering up someone/something when 
they're on the way up - almost as if the respective player/club hired him to do 
good PR. Then he's the first to knock them down when things take a downward 
turn, listing their faults in the past, the same ones he omitted to mention 
when he was buttering them up in the first place.  See his pre-tournament 
England squad coverage.

When the Bielsa adventure ends, he'll be there wanging on about Bielsagate, his 
being set in his ways, uncommunicative etc.  Speaking of which, when Bielsagate 
broke Twitter he let himself in for well deserved stick with his proclamations 
about not-the-done-thing-here there etc and being reminded that he freely spied 
upon the England national team and printed what he saw the very next day.

Give me David Conn any day of the week.

Also, I'm with Richard - Becchio was a living miracle of a footballer.

Regards,

BMW

PS my nerves are wrecked.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: 16 April 2019 10:54
To: Leeds List; nat...@sky.com
Subject: Re: [LU] Henry Winter in the TImes - "why the Prem need Leeds " - 
great stuff and true

He's definitely a Leeds fan
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019, 09:17:15 BST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:


Why Premier League needs Leeds United

henry winter, chief football writer

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The Premier League needs Leeds United. It needs the mystique of Marcelo Bielsa, 
a manager so beloved by Leeds fans that two of them are in a recording studio 
working on Bucket Man as a musical tribute to his match-day seat of choice. It 
needs Bielsa’s intense, imaginative football. It particularly needs the passion 
of the Leeds faithful.

There are some great travelling supports in the Premier League, such as 
Manchester United and Newcastle United, among others, and Leeds would be a 
welcome addition on the road as well as with the atmosphere that they generate 
at Elland Road. After Leeds played away to Preston North End on April 9, the 
police officer in charge of the away section at Deepdale praised the 5,516 
visiting fans for being “as loud as ever and no issues, no arrests”.

Leeds fans would represent an antidote to some of the ills besetting the 
Premier League. They are the opposite of the glory-hunters swooning because of 
a club’s prominence. Leeds fans might consider a half-and-half scarf if 
stitching together Leeds United and the Kaizer Chiefs, Lucas Radebe’s old team. 
They are the antithesis of what Roy Keane famously termed the “prawn-sandwich 
brigade”. If somebody mentioned opening a tunnel club at Elland Road, the ready 
wits on their terraces would suggest that it was probably an escape route after 
15 years’ incarceration in the EFL.

Supporting Leeds is a passion passed on from generation to generation. When 
they played Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday, there were children too young to 
remember the Premiership years leaning excitedly over the yellow and blue 
railings almost two hours before kick-off at Elland Road, high-fiving Bielsa 
and his players as they marched from the bus.

Three hours later, a fan called Matt Richardson celebrated Jack Harrison’s 
winner so enthusiastically that he broke his ankle. A friend of his took a 
picture of Richardson in his seat afterwards, smiling, his left foot at a 
painful angle, continuing to watching Leeds before the medics arrived. As he 
was helped into a wheelchair, Richardson kept an eye on the game while doing a 
thumbs up to his mates, who took great delight when he was strapped in by 
shouting: “Seatbelt on”.

Richardson later tweeted from hospital that “this is what supporting Leeds 
United does to me” . . . “but idc [I don’t care] because Leeds won”. Victory 
took Leeds to 82 points, four behind the leaders Norwich City and three ahead 
of Sheffield United with four games to play in the compelling race for the two 
automatic promotion positions.

Leeds know they still have major work to complete. They also know how much they 
want it. If Leeds do go up, the city will acquire even more of a buzz, there 
will be more students switching there, and there will be smiles among 
broadcasters, knowing that noise is guaranteed at Elland Road.

After Leeds were relegated from the Premiership after a 4-1 thumping by Bolton 
Wanderers on May 2, 2004, their then caretaker-manager Eddie Gray remarked 
defiantly: “It will not be the end of the club.” No chance. Not with thousands 
of Leeds fans singing louder and louder in trying to lift vanquished players, 
including one of their own, Alan Smith, who was in tears. And this is why Leeds 
United survived. The fans. And that is why 13 days later, as 

Re: [LU] LU: Take Us Home

[Brendan McWilliams]

Hi Sean,

I'm halfway through it and with some exceptions it's largely fluffy PR.

But it's fluffy PR on the club WE follow, therefore it's compulsive viewing.

I'm halfway through and the Daniel James fiasco was a bit of an eye-opener.

Regards,

BMW

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Subject: [LU] LU: Take Us Home

So I finally finished the documentary this evening. It's very moving and I 
would recommend it. A few observations:
- It's clearly not a completely independent production. While there are 
controversial episodes covered (Bamford's feigning getting whacked against 
Villa, Spygate, etc. etc.) there's very little new information revealed about 
these. (For instance, a more "newsy" documentary might have interviewed the 
intern/employee who actually did the spying against Derby.) Some important 
episodes are completely omitted. (For example, there is absolutely no mention 
of Jack Clarke's bizarre collapse on the bench at 'Boro, let alone an 
explanation of what caused it, beyond the vague "virus" that the club belatedly 
told us about.)
- The series does not go into great detail about most of the squad or the 
backroom team. There's no mention of the under-23s winning the national 
championship, no real discussion of Carlos Corberan, Jack Clarke, Jamie 
Shackleton, etc.
- It's a brilliant portrayal of the human side of the club: players, management 
and supporters. You'd need the proverbial heart of stone not to be affected by 
the scenes of the players and backroom staff in tears after the last Derby 
game. In particular, I came away with new respect for Kalvin Phillips, Liam 
Cooper, Marcelo Bielsa, Victor Orta, Angus Kinnear and Andrea Radrizzani. One 
can criticize various personnel decisions that Orta made, particularly in his 
first season, but watching him crying after the Derby game, one can't question 
his commitment. That guy cares.
Also, the scenes with Bob Tappin made it worth the price (okay, it was free 
with Amazon Prime) on their own.
Anyway, I came away feeling even more proud to be a Leeds United supporter, 
which I didn't think was possible after all these years.
Cheers!
Sean



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[LU] Fwd: This year vs same time last

[Brendan McWilliams]

From: Brendan McWilliams 
Sent: Monday, 11 November 2019, 21:08
To: Leedslist
Subject: This year vs same time last

Hi all,

Had a peruse of Soccerstats this morning - and unless I was looking at it wrong 
- comparing this point of the season vs last year we've played a game less (16 
vs 17) and have a point more.

W9 D4 L3 so far vs W8 D6 L3 as at Nov 10th.

1pt more and a game less - not bad, not bad at all.

It's all about getting to 89 of course.

BMW


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Re: [LU] Villa

[Brendan McWilliams]

What's more, just go back to Bielsa's first match against Stoke. Look who 
started and those on the bench, twelve are still there, thirteen if Douglas had 
stayed.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 

Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:43:37 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Villa

"someone retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’."

I think I might have been that "someone."

I am more than happy.I am ecstatic..to admit that I
underestimated the lad.

To think that we blew away the form team of the division with a makeshift
team, well it is literally incredible!

My only mild regret is that Jackie H made his ONLY misjudgement of the
entire match with the last kick of the game. If he had played that ball
inside to any of the about 99 Leeds players who were forming a socially
distanced queue along the line of the penalty spot whilst the red-faced
Grealish & Barkley & chums were panting their way back towards the box we
would have had another glorious goal to celebrate.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:45 PM  wrote:

> Remember when I said we should build a team around Shackleton, and someone
> retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’.
>
> The defence rests its case m’lud ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 24 Oct 2020, at 12:28, Jeremy Adams 
> wrote:
> >
> > The epitome of this performance was when, in the 94th minute, we're 3-0
> up, we still steam forward and have a breakaway where 7 players charge up
> the pitch together and we have a 7v4 situation, as the Villa squad had
> given up by then. If Harrison had just laid it back to one of the 4 players
> lined along the edge of the box it would have been 4-0.
> > 
> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert
> Heath 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:01 AM
> > To: Richard Walker 
> > Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Villa
> >
> > Absolutely!
> >
> > I can't get the image out of my head (not that I'm trying very hard!) of
> us
> > streaming forward with 5 or 6 players combining, gorgeous passes and
> > one-touches, Vanilla players floundering in our wake.
> >
> > The 1st goal, for example..replays of it only show the move from
> > near the halfway line, but actually it began right next to our corner
> flag
> > with Costa in a tight situation and a difficult bouncing ball. Almost
> every
> > other player in the league would have just launched the ball up the
> > touchline to buy time and let the defence regroup. And every other
> manager
> > would have told him to do that. Not Bielsa though. Within seconds, and
> > probably no more than 10 touches, the ball was in the back of the Vanilla
> > net!
> >
> > And yeah, Rodrigo! I would just have had Harrison edging Rodrigo as MoM,
> > but the Spaniard was superb. And he cost less than Watkins!
> >
> > Re the 3rd goal..a lot of people have said that Mings was at
> fault
> > for not closing Bamford down. But that goal was a vindication of the
> Bielsa
> > style. The pass-and-move football we play is so draining on opponents. I
> > think it was Shackleton who was running in behind Mings. mings expected
> > Bamford to pass, so he stood off and prepared to slide back to deal with
> > the pass. And Bamford showed the brilliance there of a good footballer;
> > following the simple dictum - if you see your opponent expects you to do
> > one thing, do something else.
> >
> > So it is quite clear now: the only way to stop this wonderful team of
> ours
> > is to adopt the Wigan approach, which is what Wolves did. It will be
> > fascinating to see if the likes of Leicester & Arse dare to try to attack
> > us or just sit back in a low block.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the
> >> best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and
> >> there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best
> I've
> >> ever seen. Some statement but we were that good.
> >> The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't
> live
> >> with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't
> >> allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more
> >> running than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof
> >> good things about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he
> certainly
> >> didn't know what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich
> and
> >> co were on him and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled.
> >> Grealish had his moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and
> isnt
> >> a great team player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain
> >> yellow card but if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much 

Re: [LU] Villa

[Brendan McWilliams]

A joy to read Richard, and I was so pleased for Alioski and Bamford. We all 
doubted them, but last night they were outstanding.

Costa was very average in the 1st half and although he improved in the 2nd, 
it's a question of time before Raphinha starts there.

Will have another Ribera del Duero tonight!

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 3:42:46 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Jeremy Adams 

Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Villa

Always liked the lad and now he’s clear of injuries he should be playing more 
but I fear when Philips returns he won’t get a look in.


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On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 1:45 pm, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Remember when I said we should build a team around Shackleton, and someone 
retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’.

The defence rests its case m’lud ;-)

Sent from my iPad

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 12:28, Jeremy Adams  wrote:
>
> The epitome of this performance was when, in the 94th minute, we're 3-0 up, 
> we still steam forward and have a breakaway where 7 players charge up the 
> pitch together and we have a 7v4 situation, as the Villa squad had given up 
> by then. If Harrison had just laid it back to one of the 4 players lined 
> along the edge of the box it would have been 4-0.
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:01 AM
> To: Richard Walker 
> Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Villa
>
> Absolutely!
>
> I can't get the image out of my head (not that I'm trying very hard!) of us
> streaming forward with 5 or 6 players combining, gorgeous passes and
> one-touches, Vanilla players floundering in our wake.
>
> The 1st goal, for example..replays of it only show the move from
> near the halfway line, but actually it began right next to our corner flag
> with Costa in a tight situation and a difficult bouncing ball. Almost every
> other player in the league would have just launched the ball up the
> touchline to buy time and let the defence regroup. And every other manager
> would have told him to do that. Not Bielsa though. Within seconds, and
> probably no more than 10 touches, the ball was in the back of the Vanilla
> net!
>
> And yeah, Rodrigo! I would just have had Harrison edging Rodrigo as MoM,
> but the Spaniard was superb. And he cost less than Watkins!
>
> Re the 3rd goal..a lot of people have said that Mings was at fault
> for not closing Bamford down. But that goal was a vindication of the Bielsa
> style. The pass-and-move football we play is so draining on opponents. I
> think it was Shackleton who was running in behind Mings. mings expected
> Bamford to pass, so he stood off and prepared to slide back to deal with
> the pass. And Bamford showed the brilliance there of a good footballer;
> following the simple dictum - if you see your opponent expects you to do
> one thing, do something else.
>
> So it is quite clear now: the only way to stop this wonderful team of ours
> is to adopt the Wigan approach, which is what Wolves did. It will be
> fascinating to see if the likes of Leicester & Arse dare to try to attack
> us or just sit back in a low block.
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>> Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the
>> best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and
>> there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best I've
>> ever seen. Some statement but we were that good.
>> The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't live
>> with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't
>> allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more
>> running than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof
>> good things about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he certainly
>> didn't know what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich and
>> co were on him and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled.
>> Grealish had his moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and isnt
>> a great team player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain
>> yellow card but if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much contact and
>> there's no way it  would have resulted in a player looking like he was dead
>> for 5 mins. Also the dive for the pen was disgusting and countless other
>> annoyances like keeping hold of the ball and not giving it back when Leeds
>> were trying to take a free kick. He just did it to annoy, no other reason.
>> Grade A c*nt !
>> Anyway, back to us and where do you start ? The inter-play down the left
>> between Allioski and Harrison was breathtaking and Matty Cash could only

Re: [LU] Raphinha

[Brendan McWilliams]

Outstanding read!

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 6:57:11 PM
To: nat...@sky.com ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Raphinha

Bloody great read that Dave. Cheers


On Thursday, August 26, 2021, 4:33 pm, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/raphinha-leeds-united-premier-league-soccer

A brilliant read explains why he looks so angry on the pitch 
He will be a real star if we can keep him ( he may love it here but moneyAnd 
ambition will talk)
Dave At least with international beak my 10 day isolation will not mean I have 
to miss any home games .
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Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

[Brendan McWilliams]

Happy Birthday John Boocock!

Have a(nother) great party!

All the best,

BMW


From: Leedslist  on behalf of James A. Lundon @ 
Yahoo! via Leedslist 
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2023 1:08:04 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

John,
I thought you were 80 ;-).

James.
Message: 2
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 09:43:13 +0100
From: John Boocock 
To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
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As part of my 70th Birthday year celebrations (my family have insisted

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Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)

[Brendan McWilliams]

Richard Walker, Verner - and anyone else who left - get back on the WhatsApp, 
your inputs make the list, especially Richard's reports!

BMW

From: Leedslist  on behalf of errand.fivefold--- 
via Leedslist 
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 2:50:30 PM
To: Michael Benjamin 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)

   I know what you are saying and you are 100% correct.
   I just couldn't believe some of the bile.
   Life is too short.
   Best wishes,
   Verner

   On 9 Sept 2022 13:24, Michael Benjamin  wrote:

   I A have learned a never leave & donat ask for expulsions.
   Just do not give in

   A

  [cid:image001.jpg01D8C460.4A3DD3A0]
   DrA  Michael Benjamin,
   Community Psychiatrist.
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   ISRAEL
   SKYPE: BEDENOGA
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[1]Online CBT ||A A  [2]Online Consultations
BLOG: [3]Times Of Israel || [4]Quora || [5]Jerusalem Post ||
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   A

   A

   From: errand.fivef...@talk21.com 
   Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 2:26 PM
   To: Richard Walker 
   Cc: Robert Heath ; Leeds List
   ; Michael Benjamin 
   Subject: Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)

   A

   I too left the WhatsApp list.

   Truly disgusted me.A

   A

   A

   Best wishes,A

   A

   VernerA

   A

   On 9 Sept 2022 12:17, Richard Walker via Leedslist
   <[8]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

 Agree Mike. I've taken myself off the WhatsApp due to people on
 there thinking they are funny, making jokes about the queen's death.
 Unbelievable really but that's what we've become.A
 A A A  On Friday, 9 September 2022 at 11:06:30 BST, Michael Benjamin
 <[9]m...@myray.com> wrote:A
 Simply gob-smacked by that ridiculous remark.

 Neither the time nor the place.

 DrA  Michael Benjamin,
 Community Psychiatrist.
 Oranit,
 ISRAEL

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 From: Leedslist <[10]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of
 Robert Heath
 Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:51 PM
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 I can't believe in all this sycophantic fawning over the Chief
 Parasite they have not mentioned the greatest day in her
 life.8 May,
 1972 when she got to shake hands with Billy Bremner!
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