Mac, it's not a question of being pro- or anti-kprf. I don't think, for instance
that either Lou or I are pro-kprf (i shouldn't speak for him anyway). The point is
that we have to begin from two simultaneous start-points: (a) analysis of the global
conjuncture and how Russia sits in that and (b)
I just want to point out that it was no less a rooted stalinoid perverted sectarian
than I myself who originally invited Nestor G. -- and what's more, Johannes S. --
to comoderate L-I. So I picked up a stone and dropped it on my own foot, in the
latter case, as the maoists say. But I have always
--UNITED STATES: George Bush junior takes over
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George Walker ("Dubya") Bush will be inaugurated as the United States of America's
43rd president on January 20. Even before he sets foot in the White House, vast
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En relacin a Re: [L-I] On Centrism Today.,
el 14 Jan 01, a las 18:58, rosskommuna dijo:
--- Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In fact, the working class can be integrated to the
capitalist system, as it
actually has been for decades in the core countries.
But this
Nestor, that was Vladimir Bilenkin. All four (when we were four) of us dumped him.
in other words, he wont respond.
Macdonald
- Original Message -
From: Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [L-I] On
Congo Leader Reportedly Dead After Being Shot by Bodyguard
By NORIMITSU ONISHI
President Laurent D. Kabila was reportedly shot by a bodyguard.
BIDJAN, Ivory Coast, Jan. 16 - President Laurent Kabila of Congo, who deposed one of
Africa's great dictators but then brought his country into even
CB: What the fuck is going on , Mark ? Why the hell would you call for
closing down the list like some goddamn the lord giveth and the lord taketh away ?
If you've been following the exchanges you'll see that i'm concerned to make the
list a success, not close it down. maybe licence for a
Tony, I agree with most of your remarks, and I'm glad you're here and also that you
are struggling heroically at Solidarity.
In particular I agree that "the phobic iSWor/
Kagarlitsky crowd" is just a front. You're right: they "trumpet within the Left
of the imperialist bloc countries a
En relacin a [L-I] Fw: (ftaa-l) Plan Colombia, FTAA and Black ,
el 15 Jan 01, a las 22:36, Macdonald Stainsby dijo:
Part of this mail contains something I've been meaning to pose as a question to
our comrades, such as Nestor or Anthony, as to why Panamas return to Colombia
has never been a
I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was
elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Unfortunately it will be rather easy
to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members.
Johannes
Just as you will find antisemitic quotes from leaders of the German
Communist
I do not know whether General Makashov was a CPRF CC member, but he was
elected on the CPRF slate to the Duma. Unfortunately it will be rather easy
to find more antisemitic quotes from leading CPRF members.
Johannes
Just as you will find antisemitic quotes from leaders of the German
Communist
Mark wrote:
On
the one hand, it's fine that people are talking more militantly; but
on the other,
it makes it all the more important that we don't let these people, who are our
political enemies, drown out the real message about what is a real
revolutionary,
leninist politics.
The clarity of
Let them talk up their positions in their own style as they will, and
then respond as was being done most effectively by several commentators
before this breakdown began.
I suggest an amnesty be declared.
Tony Abdo
Tony, if this list was the mouthpiece of elists for a revolutionary
Lou wrote:
The real issue
is not anti-Semitism or fascism, but the stubborn refusal of some radicals
to get on board the hate Yugoslavia campaign. Now that this is a dead
issue, the demagogues have turned their attention to Russia. Anybody who
does not take an oath of allegiance against the
Zyuganov Interview 11 September 2000
BBC MONITORING
ZYUGANOV INTERVIEW: RUSSIAN COMMUNIST LEADER EXPANDS ON MOVE TO
SUPPORT KREMLIN, DROP OLD ALLIES
Source: Russia TV, Moscow, in Russian, 11 September 2000
Leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennadiy
Zyuganov has said that
Yoshie, what is it about this analysis by Kagarlitsky that you find to
be of merit? I find the idea that countries of the capitalist
''periphery" cannot have Social Democratic movements ludicrous. They
do all the time. Colombia and Mexico have both recently had Social
Democratic
Makahov is very famous for these quotes all the time as not just a CC member
of the KPRF, but higher than this -
Higher than a Member of the Central Committee?
What do you mean?
There are millions of Communists in Russia. So what?
It is essential to separate rank-and-file members from
Attempts to equate Marxism-Leninism with the ultra-right are not
only not new, they
are as old as socialism.
Mark
Sure, but you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you?
Since your comeback, you have argued for the importance of
revolutionary theory the need to debate it on this
(((
CB: Please give an example of a successful list .
It would be invidious to make examples, but I suppose that if Bob Malecki really has
312 people listening to him on his egroups list, perhaps we should call that a
success, hey?
Mark
Yoshie wrote:
The CPRF's program, such as it is, can never be achieved by the
CPRF's means.
This means that it's a normal party no? Operating according to the normal rules of
hypocrisy, double-dealing, sanctimoniousness etc of bourgeois parties everywhere.
Until just a few years ago, the
you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you?
No, no and again no, as Vladimir Ilyich might say. But so what? Is it the use of the
name 'communist' which winds people up into such hysterical frenzies? But we have
had non-communist communist parties for years and decades and people
Yoshie wrote
Zyuganov Interview 11 September 2000
BBC MONITORING
ZYUGANOV INTERVIEW: RUSSIAN COMMUNIST LEADER EXPANDS ON MOVE TO
SUPPORT KREMLIN, DROP OLD ALLIES
but if you read what the man says, is it so unreasonable?
Russia today is at a crossroads. Either we following the new state
I think Yoshie's interventions are helpful and I am obliged to her for them.
HOWEVER: to say
The clarity of revolutionary Leninist politics can't be achieved if
one part of the Left remains trapped in the overblown fear of
Red-Brown alliances on the periphery and the other part falls for
Last year I had my e-mail program crash, so I lost the Crashlist URL,
among other things. Can you mail the URL to me or post it here?
Yoshie
I'll sub you if you like.
Mark
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To change
Nestor, that was Vladimir Bilenkin. All four (when we were four) of us
dumped him.
in other words, he wont respond.
Macdonald
Dear comrade Macdonald Stainsby and other moderators!
My name is Svetlana Baiborodova. I am a chairwomen of Samara branch of
Russian Association of the Workers Trade
I and my comrades in Russia want to read Vladimir Bilenkin`s point of view
on problems disturbing us in living discussion with all other participants
of your list.
I hope, you will heed our request and correct the situation.
Comradely,
Svetlana Baiborodova
I think Vladimir was thrown off not
My name is Svetlana Baiborodova. I am a chairwomen of Samara branch of
Russian Association of the Workers Trade Union "Defense of Labor", a member
of Coordinating Commitee of the All-Russian Campaign in Defense of Acting
Labor Code, an editor of weekly Left.ru ("Left Russia"):
Yoshie wrote:
Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic anti-liberal rhetoric widespread
in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of
Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to blame,
since it's happy with the role of the loyal opposition.
On the contrary, Putin
Yoshie, what is it about this analysis by Kagarlitsky that you find to
be of merit? I find the idea that countries of the capitalist
''periphery" cannot have Social Democratic movements ludicrous. They
do all the time. Colombia and Mexico have both recently had Social
Democratic
Last year I had my e-mail program crash, so I lost the Crashlist URL,
among other things. Can you mail the URL to me or post it here?
Yoshie
I'll sub you if you like.
Mark
Thank you. Go ahead and sub me.
Yoshie
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Mark:
The clarity of revolutionary Leninist politics can't be achieved if
one part of the Left remains trapped in the overblown fear of
Red-Brown alliances on the periphery and the other part falls for the
overestimation of political capacity of whatever party or movement
that claims
Yoshie:
we don't want to lose someone like Johannes
from the list, do we? He's on the side of anti-imperialism.
ONE part is revolutionary and
wishes to overthrow capitalism; the other is accommodationist and has no such
intention.
The problem is that the CPRF has will accommodate
Mark:
you don't think that the CPRF = Marxism-Leninism, do you?
No, no and again no, as Vladimir Ilyich might say.
I know where you stand. The rhetorical question was for the benefit
of L-I listers whose acquaintance with you doesn't go back very far.
But so what? Is it the use of the
name
Mark:
Zyuganov Interview 11 September 2000
BBC MONITORING
ZYUGANOV INTERVIEW: RUSSIAN COMMUNIST LEADER EXPANDS ON MOVE TO
SUPPORT KREMLIN, DROP OLD ALLIES
but if you read what the man says, is it so unreasonable?
It's a reasonable remark from a reasonable parliamentarian, no?
Yoshie:
First of all, Russian leftists need to expand the base for support of
Communism beyond "platoons of pensioners"! I don't think they can
expand it while accommodating themselves to Putin, though. It seems
to me that Zyuganov ain't smart or ambitious enough to use Putin for
his
It's not a matter of "political analysis".
It has nothing to do with "rank-and-file members".
It's a question if Myers lies or tells the truth
that Makashov's position in the KPRF is higher than a CC member.
He lies.
Very simple.
Best,
AD
At 03:27 PM 1/17/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Makahov is
The joke was disgusting, by the way.
AD
At 10:23 PM 1/17/2001 -, you wrote:
Yoshie wrote:
Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic anti-liberal rhetoric widespread
in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of
Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to blame,
Mark:
Yoshie wrote:
Putin, by co-opting anti-Semitic anti-liberal rhetoric widespread
in Russia, can coopt the themes of "socialism = the modern form of
Russian patriotism" as well. The CPRF has only itself to blame,
since it's happy with the role of the loyal opposition.
On the
I am going to show how ignorant I am. I know that red means communist, pink
means left, green means environmental, black anarchist, an Orangeman means
pro-British, ,etc. What is a red/brown alliance? In the Southwest US it
means Native Americans and Chicanos but I don't think that is what
Mark:
we don't want to lose someone like Johannes
from the list, do we? He's on the side of anti-imperialism.
ONE part is revolutionary and
wishes to overthrow capitalism; the other is accommodationist and
has no such
intention.
The problem is that the CPRF has will
En relacin a [L-I] Zyuganov Interview 11 September 2000: Russi,
el 17 Jan 01, a las 15:22, Yoshie Furuhashi dijo:
Zyuganov Interview 11 September 2000
Russia today is at a crossroads. Either we following the new state
line which takes the national interest as its guide or continue with
the
I am going to post this conversation to the list so no one can be confused as to the
basic dynamic of what we are doing here. If the list management is boring to you,
delete now.
To Mark, Yoshie writes:
I agree, except that a bit of occasional trench warfare is most
likely unavoidable (if
For the `record', and in the spirit of *Leninist* Glasnost-
What is actually amusing about all this is that Owen and/or Steve believe I actually
am concerned about the semite issue. I am not the slightest concerned about whether
or not they think the CPRF is home to many anti-Semites, or that
Actually, it's people talking *about* Malecki (and one person in the recent archives
begging to get away).
Macdonald
- Original Message -
From: Mark Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It would be invidious to make examples, but I suppose that if Bob Malecki really
has
312 people listening to
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