btw, for those of you arriving at OHM, there will be a meeting at Noisy²
this evening at 9pm!
--mark B.
On Jul 11, 2013 5:43 PM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
...
If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
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If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how DEFCON and
BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give the keynote!
regarding same, seems the better half of these cons is giving
On 06/26/2013 12:18, groente wrote:
Is this the pitch of left unity at any cost? Because no, actually,
it turns out that unity isn't the best thing ever. Do you want a big
tent that means nothing? Do you think that the OHM orga is united in
fighting for the destruction of the power
Yay, Dutchy pileup. Joining the fray.
WARNING : the following lecture contains the word penis.
(But it does not have the word fuck. (Can I say fuck on libtech ?))
On 06/26/2013 12:55 PM, Lex van Roon wrote:
On 06/26/2013 12:18, groente wrote:
Is this the pitch of left unity at any cost?
Yay, Dutchy pileup. Joining the fray.
WARNING : the following lecture contains the word penis.
(But it does not have the word fuck. (Can I say fuck on libtech ?))
On 06/26/2013 12:55 PM, Lex van Roon wrote:
On 06/26/2013 12:18, groente wrote:
Is this the pitch of left unity at any cost?
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 04:28:11PM -0700, coderman wrote:
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
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If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how DEFCON
and BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give the keynote!
they
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 09:08:59PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
They are ramping such a system up but it isn't in place yet,
remember, they are firing 600 people in the following years.
*** I guess you mean: outsourcing to the private sector.
The budgets in general will shrink a lot in the
Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote:
Congratulations. I look forward to seeing them, probably on a remote
stream but also perhaps in person.
It should be fun. =) I'm not sure that my Noisy Square talk [1] will be
recorded though.
No one has said that the cops shouldn't submit a talk -
Full-Disclosure: Eventhough I am part of the OHM organisation, this email on a
personal note.
On 06/24/2013 23:35, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
Jurre andmore:
Sorry, but why would 30c3 be this place and not any other venue in the
world? Without context this sounds silly.
It was merely a
Hey All,
Thank you for your valuable and insightful input into this ongoing discussion.
As part of the organization of the Noisy Square (N2) I follow it with great
interest. With the N2 we will try to facilitate part of it at OHM2013.
I thought it to be a good idea to explain a little bit on
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On 2013.06.25 04.32, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 09:08:59PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
They are ramping such a system up but it isn't in place yet,
remember, they are firing 600 people in the following years.
*** I guess you mean:
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On 2013.06.25 07.37, Lex van Roon wrote:
In my opinion, us (the people) being divided is whats taking away
our power, and that's imho much, MUCH more important then
governments losing their power and cracking down on us (the people)
so that they
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On 2013.06.25 09.00, Douwe Schmidt wrote:
Please help us to put the Resistance Back in OHM
What is the line where the organizers of a hacker event are so given
over to collaboration that the event becomes unreclaimable? Would
they have to be
I was 11 years old.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Jurre andmore drw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and
not in 2013.
2013/6/25 Jillian C. York jilliancy...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum
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On 2013.06.24 07.19, Douwe Schmidt wrote:
Dear LibTech Readers,
In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The
Netherlands. There has been a lot of controversy in the run-up to
this gathering. There was criticism of the involvement
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:52:01 -0400
Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org wrote:
A lot of people are asking me to change my mind on attending, and it
sounds like you guys are going to have a lot of fun, but I'm finding
myself pretty unmotivated to change my mind given that much of the
organizing
Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org writes:
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On 2013.06.24 07.19, Douwe Schmidt wrote:
Dear LibTech Readers,
In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The
Netherlands. There has been a lot of controversy in the run-up to
this
I'm one of the noisysquare organizers, I replied inline.
2013/6/24 phryk in...@phryk.net
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:52:01 -0400
Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org wrote:
A lot of people are asking me to change my mind on attending, and it
sounds like you guys are going to have a lot of fun, but
After much discussion on the OHM mailinglist and social media storms,
the police backed of and decided not to have a village. Instead, like
all the previous conferences before, they will be undercover! Just
like CCCamp, EMFcamp and all the other hacker conferences. At least
we can play spot
micah:
Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org writes:
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On 2013.06.24 07.19, Douwe Schmidt wrote:
Dear LibTech Readers,
In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The
Netherlands. There has been a lot of controversy in the run-up to
Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be
presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations in the
US.
It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the presence of
police at OHM, as if American hacker cons didn't have the head of the NSA
Griffin Boyce:
Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be
presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations in the
US.
Congratulations. I look forward to seeing them, probably on a remote
stream but also perhaps in person.
It's interesting how
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:17:16 +
Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote:
This is a false dichotomy of an argument if ever I've heard one. I
keep hearing it too. It bums me out to no end.
I understand that removing ourselves from specific discussions removes
our voices from those
phryk:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:17:16 +
Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote:
This is a false dichotomy of an argument if ever I've heard one. I
keep hearing it too. It bums me out to no end.
I understand that removing ourselves from specific discussions removes
our voices from
On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote:
Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be
presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations in the
US.
It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:02:00 +
Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote:
The 30th CCC Congress is likely to be such a space. Alternatively, we
could create a new space that talks about the issues at hand.
Works for me. The only thought I'd have about that is if the timeframe
is okay; But
Sorry, but why would 30c3 be this place and not any other venue in the
world? Without context this sounds silly.
2013/6/25 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net
phryk:
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:17:16 +
Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote:
This is a false dichotomy of an argument if
Nadim Kobeissi:
On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com
wrote:
Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be
presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations
in the US.
It's interesting how much of the debate centers
Jurre andmore:
Sorry, but why would 30c3 be this place and not any other venue in the
world? Without context this sounds silly.
It was merely a suggestion and it is hardly without context.
Any event or space that is willing to create an explicitly safe space
for an open dialog is probably in
I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and
not in 2013.
2013/6/25 Jillian C. York jilliancy...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.netwrote:
Nadim Kobeissi:
On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce
Jurre andmore:
I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and
not in 2013.
Actually, I think a lot of old-school Dutch hackers did just that -
especially against the undercover cops who infiltrated the scene. This
was documented in the hacking zines of that era.
In
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On 06/24/2013 08:39 PM, Jurre andmore wrote:
I don't see how this stands-up. Next to that, the AIVD/MIVD hasn't
deployed a nationwide eavesdropping setup for internet unlike the
Swedes, Germans and Americans.
*** Does anyone remember the low
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On 06/24/2013 09:06 PM, Jurre andmore wrote:
They are ramping such a system up but it isn't in place yet,
remember, they are firing 600 people in the following years.
*** I guess you mean: outsourcing to the private sector.
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hk
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2013/6/25 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net
Jurre andmore:
I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and
not in 2013.
Actually, I think a lot of old-school Dutch hackers did just that -
especially against the undercover cops who infiltrated the scene. This
Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net writes:
micah:
Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org writes:
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On 2013.06.24 07.19, Douwe Schmidt wrote:
Dear LibTech Readers,
In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The
Netherlands. There has
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