Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-18 Thread Michael Bohn
Thanks for your clarification between open source and free software 2016-09-19 0:13 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup : > Michael Bohn writes: > >> Hello Lea, >> my english is not very well, sorry for that. >> I read same of the mails and we in germany have a anti-discrimination law. >> So if there is an

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-18 Thread David Kastrup
Michael Bohn writes: > Hello Lea, > my english is not very well, sorry for that. > I read same of the mails and we in germany have a anti-discrimination law. > So if there is an anti-discrimination at the FSF in germany, I think > the best way is to complaint this. > > I’m very happy that I coul

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-18 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Please let's not criticize each other so harshly. Even when someone else has been ha

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-18 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > A summary of the negative things that > were written about the transgender form

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-17 Thread Daniel James
Leah Rowe wrote: Hi, On 16/09/16 01:34, Leah Rowe wrote: Hi, The Free Software Foundation recently fired a transgendered employee of the FSF, just for being trans, because some transphobic cissexist people wrote negativly about her. The FSF fired her because they thougdt she, rather than the

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-17 Thread Mike Gerwitz
Hey, Leah: I'm speaking to you personally, not on behalf of GNU. I don't know anything more than the public does about this situation, but I do understand why you feel as you do, from what you have described. And I am saddened that you feel as you do, regardless of circumstance. I worked with y

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-17 Thread Leah Rowe
Hi, On 17/09/16 15:32, Bernd Paysan wrote: > What I'm saying Respectability politics is bull. Also, see email signature. I mean what I said. I'm writing an article for libreboot.org as we speak. -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-17 Thread Bernd Paysan
What I'm saying is that public shitstorming is unacceptable, and if that happens frequently from one particular group, being it feminists or LGBT, it is hurting everyone, but especially the group which starts the shitstorm. More so, if the rumor turns out to be false later - you can't fully undo

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-17 Thread Yui Hirasawa
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:24:31AM +0100, Leah Rowe wrote: > Hi, > > On 17/09/16 10:03, Bernd Paysan wrote: >> Am 17. September 2016 10:13:17 MESZ, schrieb David Kastrup : >>> The mailing lists you are using here are not related to workplace >>> matters of the FSF and I doubt that you improve your

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-17 Thread Leah Rowe
Hi, On 17/09/16 10:03, Bernd Paysan wrote: > Am 17. September 2016 10:13:17 MESZ, schrieb David Kastrup : >> The mailing lists you are using here are not related to workplace >> matters of the FSF and I doubt that you improve your apparent friend's >> legal standing as well as her and other LGBT's

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-17 Thread Bernd Paysan
Am 17. September 2016 10:13:17 MESZ, schrieb David Kastrup : >The mailing lists you are using here are not related to workplace >matters of the FSF and I doubt that you improve your apparent friend's >legal standing as well as her and other LGBT's future job prospectives >if you continue illustrati

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-17 Thread David Kastrup
Leah Rowe writes: > The employee (who I won't name, because I don't want her harrassed) [...] > What should have happened is the people bullying her should have been > fired. > > Which is these people: [...] You are openly employing double standards which does not exactly lend more credence t

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-17 Thread Leah Rowe
Hi, On 17/09/16 08:38, Leah Rowe wrote: > The FSF responded with this statement: > https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement > > They're lying. > > The employee (who I won't name, because I don't want her harrassed) was > being harassed by another employee who was transphobic.

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-16 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The dismissal of the staff person was not because of her gender. Her gender now is th

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-16 Thread Gábor Bérczi
On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Paolo Redaelli wrote: I beg your pardon, may you please give us further informations about this firing? It could be related to notorious Ubuntu activist Gabriella Micsko (originally Gabor Micsko) who is constantly trolled by hateful, mysogynistic, cisgendere

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-16 Thread Will Hill
On Friday 16 September 2016, Deb Nicholson wrote: > There is undoubtedly context we don't and *shouldn't* have in this > situation, which means any ensuing discussion is going to be pretty > useless. That's not obvious, and I think this community deserves a better explanation. If there's a probl

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-16 Thread Deb Nicholson
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 9:35 AM Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >I beg your pardon, may you please give us further informations >about this firing? > > No, please don't. It has nothing to do with the GNU project. > There is undoubtedly context we don't and *shouldn't* have in this situation, whi

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-16 Thread Paolo Redaelli
I beg your pardon, may you please give us further informations about this firing? Are you sure about the causes of the firing? Perhaps some other rules were broken I mean, I'm not part of FSF but having a naive reader of GNU mailing lists for several years this behaviour looks quite unusual for a

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-16 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I beg your pardon, may you please give us further informations about this firing? No, please don't. It has nothing to do with the GNU project.

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-15 Thread Yoni Rabkin
Leah Rowe writes: > Hi, > > The Free Software Foundation recently fired a transgendered employee of > the FSF, just for being trans, because some transphobic cissexist people > wrote negativly about her. The FSF fired her because they thougdt she, > rather than the assholes bullying her, was cau

Re: [Libreboot] [gnu-prog-discuss] libreboot is not GNU Libreboot anymore

2016-09-15 Thread John Wiegley
> "LR" == Leah Rowe writes: LR> I'm declaring here and now to the whole world that Libreboot is no longer LR> part of the GNU project. I do not believe that the FSF or the GNU project LR> deserve to exist. Hi Leah, I'm sorry to hear about this unacceptable prejudice, as you've described it.