, or more effective work
(skip actions that I may considered being covered by the way devs tend
to act).
Answers given were halepful in that respect :)
Cheers
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Great to meet here and have open and effective exchange of ideas !
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[ picking up this thread, now/as far as time allows ]
Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote (19-09-13 07:14)
Le 18/09/2013 17:16, Cor Nouws a écrit :
It would be my strong, very strong, preference to make controls for
direct formatting hidden, far hidden, and clearly show
there!
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look cludgy...
Maybe LO should make the buttons have the same effect? From a user
perspective it is applying a direct formatting but in the background it is
creating and applying Styles...
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in the process. But the whole task is still
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[from previous thread]
Cor Nouws wrote (22-05-13 23:30)
Michael Meeks wrote (16-05-13 17:25)
* Pending Action Items
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
+ either in that dialog
Pedro wrote (20-09-13 16:57)
I hope there are more builds available in the future...
Me too. 32bits Linux is not available as daily already for a long time
.. :-\
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Hi Markus,
Markus Mohrhard wrote (20-09-13 05:11)
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/5985/1
Thanks for asking. I say yes!
(It's for https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67159
Danny didn't mention the bug number in the commit message.)
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But I agree that there is a real opportunity for improving, thanks to
the side bar!
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Hi David,
dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11)
snip
Direct formatting is
less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more
confusing to the average user than MSO's.
Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion?
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button bar. So you could be able
to reopen the panel you need with one click. Currently, you need to
reopen the Sidebar then click the panel button.
[Thanks to Regina for answering this ;) ]
Ciao!
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But I agree that there is a real opportunity for improving, thanks to
the side bar!
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and is a key part of iWork.
Cheers,
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PS See you in Milan?
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See you in Milan?
Yes, I hope so. :)
:) - good to continue part of the conversation while looking at the screen!
thanks best,
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Thanks Thomas,
Linked to your explanation in the bug report.
Cor
Thomas Hackert wrote (15-09-13 07:48)
Good morning Cor, *,
[...]
maybe Bjoern can tell you more ... ;)
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Hi,
See this comment
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69337#c8
thanks
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OK? suggestions?
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to pick the right issues to look e.g. for
duplicates.
Kind regards,
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Michael Meeks wrote (05-09-13 17:03)
+ come up with a proposal on what still needs improving in sidebar land
(Astron)
Published some thoughts on this (as promised lóng ago ;) )
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-ux-advise/2013-September/002323.html
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it's clear that I would rather see support for the use of styles.
So I mocked up a little version with various style categories shown at
the same time.
Would appreciate your ideas :)
thanks ciao,
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an older config ?
I use a clean userprofile already.
(Will try to make some time later this week and contact via irc maybe)
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Bjoern Michaelsen wrote (05-07-13 17:00)
On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 07:44:04AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
is querying the version field with one full number or one decimal
(or two?) easily.
So
[4] [*]
or
[3] [6]
Anyways, I guess there must be some sort of wish list ? ;)
You can matches
field at the bottom)
Yes, know that one.
thanks a lot,
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+++-
11 files changed, 69 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
New commits:
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Author: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl
Date: Fri Jun 14 17:35:25 2013 +0200
fdo#59427 first step for template menu
takes care
that on my list. But be aware that I can't give it a high
priority as such.
So if there is anything among those (or another) that is urgent, pls
ping me separately.
Thanks,
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LibO334rc1
LibO340rc2
LibO341rc3
LibO342rc2
LibO342rc3
LibO343rc1
LibO343rc2
LibO344rc1
LibO345rc1
LibO345rc2
LO346rc1
daily02
So if really needed, I can do some tests there.
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is querying the version field with one full number or one decimal (or
two?) easily.
So
[4] [*]
or
[3] [6]
Anyways, I guess there must be some sort of wish list ? ;)
Cheers,
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trough an email process before being added to BugZilla (that's what I
understood from it anyway) - a way to prevent that?
Cheers,
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Cor Nouws wrote (16-06-13 22:22)
For some font test, I downloaded the beta 2 in my VirtualBox + Win7.
But the installation breaks somewhere. No specific reason given. Just a
nice message that the installation has been aborted.
Known? Or problems with my VM?
Is this
https
to be filing a support
request, have you considered to use ask.libreoffice.org, which is likely the
better place and will result in a quicker answer?.
Hmm ;) nice direction to think about. Wording and timing (place) of such
a hint my be crucial.
Cheers,
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cause us headaches ;)
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(always in BugZilla) it is automatically
set to NEW. And as far as I understood (long time ago), indeed related
to my permissions.
Sometimes the bug is not NEW, so then I have to do an extra step. Not a
big deal, but of course stupid :)
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Hi,
For some font test, I downloaded the beta 2 in my VirtualBox + Win7.
But the installation breaks somewhere. No specific reason given. Just a
nice message that the installation has been aborted.
Known? Or problems with my VM?
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Caolán McNamara wrote (14-06-13 17:25)
Can you provide the full thing as a patch. A quick read through it
suggest that it should have worked.
Is here now:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/4284
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first paragraph above here.
Opinions? )
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Are there experiences from other teams with such tags?
E.g. do they find them easy to remember, how/when do they make use of
the tags...
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Improved text in GUI for Macro recording: it is limited
Rafael Dominguez wrote (20-05-13 04:05)
I did the rest of them already, ill push it tomorrow and ill send you a
msg after, so you can test it.
Hi Rafael,
Just to make sure that I didn't miss anything: did you already have a
change to push the work?
Kind regards,
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Cor Nouws wrote (20-05-13 01:36)
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (13-05-13 09:50)
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 10:47 +0200, Mirek M. wrote:
I'm not the best person to design for the dialog.
Still I find this design from you :)
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards
Hi ...
Would be really lovely to get some more feed back on the mail from last
week!
Cor
Cor Nouws wrote (20-05-13 01:36)
Hi all,
Thanks for the ideas / proposals. Here few additions from me:
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Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote (25-05-13 23:44)
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Does the subject 'better colors' belong to the UX list .. ? :)
Oh yes. Thanks for pointing that useful article out. It really moves
LibreOffice out of the 90s :-)
Now I did
Hi,
Not sure if on this list the next has been seen:
http://user-prompt.com/tip-the-tool-how-to-label-toolbar-functions/
A nice study by Heiko from User Prompt, of whom I remember Björn from
our conferences :)
What do the people here think? Could be well possible to use to improve
out
Another nice post I recently saw:
http://www.openlogic.com/wazi/bid/289690/A-more-colorful-LibreOffice-unveiled
Does the subject 'better colors' belong to the UX list .. ? :)
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* Present
(always astonishing to notice that you guys handle so much stuff in the
meeting:-) )
* Pending Action Items
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
+ either in that dialog or a new dialog
Michael Meeks wrote (16-05-13 17:25)
* Present
(always astonishing to notice that you guys handle so much stuff in the
meeting:-) )
* Pending Action Items
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
+ either in that dialog or a new dialog
Michel Renon wrote (20-05-13 16:25)
Well, that was already proposed 2 times in this thread !
;-)
Great that your memory is better then mine :-)
Thanks for summarising...
It seems to me that a simple dialog before opening template/creating new
file is technically much simpler and more
Hi all,
Thanks for the ideas / proposals. Here few additions from me:
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (13-05-13 09:50)
Hi Mirek, Michel,
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 10:47 +0200, Mirek M. wrote:
60589 - [Template manager]: Can not copy styles between different files
and templates
[...]
Given that I
Cor Nouws wrote (20-05-13 01:39)
only managed to add the checkbox option to the gtk+, kde4
and native dialogs, still pending the windows one and mac, but i dont
have access to a mac, so its hard to work on that one.
Joren - also in cc here - does have and does some useful patches now
Joren wrote (20-05-13 02:00)
Willing to help: SURE! Able to help ... mmh, I don't know :-). At least
I can test on Mac if new patches comes out (or if you have a draft patch
I can verify/test it on mac. I'm not sure I can develop something for
mac (without bugging other devs to help me out :)
Rafael Dominguez wrote (20-05-13 04:05)
I did the rest of them already, ill push it tomorrow and ill send you a
msg after, so you can test it.
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Michel RENON wrote (09-05-13 16:11)
While working on entrance animations, I also ran an simple test of
Impress and found bizarre behaviors :
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Michelr#Impress_4.0_:_urgent_bugs_and_enhancements
Thanks for gathering those and writing down.
I
Hi all,
Worked myself through the list with template related issues and - apart
from all great progress - found a few that are still open. And with 4.1
approaching rapidly...
60589 - [Template manager]: Can not copy styles between different files
and templates
61396 - FILEOPEN: [Template
Mirek M. wrote (10-05-13 23:16)
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM, JorenDC joren.libreoff...@telenet.be
I verified the behavior of other programs, and I see most of
them (randomly: Firefox and on Linux (Mint), Adobe Reader on
Windows, Twitter (v2.2.0) and native 'text editor' on Mac OSX,
Hi Lior and Navin,
Lior Kaplan wrote (04-04-13 14:09)
Following the work of Navin (CCed) on fdo#40496 we found out that we
need to define the behavior of the clear direct formatting function
regarding alignment.
At the moment clear direct formatting also clears the text alignment
back to the
Cor Nouws wrote (31-03-13 01:07)
Ideas?
Yes, that is has been implemented already many months * ago, but
apparently is not always visible for me, since I often drag old user
profiles with me ;-)
Closing this one.
Cor
*
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id
Hi all,
Robinson Tryon wrote (30-03-13 20:25)
Oh, okay. I'm a relative newcomer to the LibreOffice project, so I'm
not aware of all of the general rules on how we handle stuff or who is
officially in charge of what pieces of the project.
Interesting meeting :-)
I must start saying that I
Rainer Bielefeld wrote (30-03-13 17:35)
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-FAQ#How_to_handle_bugs_for_LibreOffice_Component_Extension.
Seeing this, and remembering that we have some good documentation, I
feel I really should read that from time to time, if it only were to
help my own
Hi Rafael,
Rafael Dominguez wrote (26-03-13 16:45)
Since the removal of the old template manager dialog, lots of user have
complaining that now they cant open external templates for edit. After
talking to Cedric about it we concluded that we have two options:
1.- Add the action to the Template
Hi,
Robinson Tryon wrote (29-03-13 23:23)
Indeed, no matter what system we set up, some users will file a bug. I
agree! But if we warn the users first, then we can at least argue that
we tried our best to be clear about what support to expect.
Yes, it is good to have explanation about what
Hi *
mariosv wrote (21-03-13 00:47)
I think you point in the appropriate direction.
As I can remember, the issue in user forums use to be about how to get this
auto-expand. Even more, if was possible to get the row/column formulas from
previous row/col in the inserted row/column.
Also I think
Hi all,
Changing the default Number recognition to be turned of makes that
people are not confronted with numbers that change by them self.
So two ways to look at this:
a. they do not have to sit with their hands in their hair :-)
b. do not get confronted with the idea/possibility that
Hi Robinson / qubit, *
Robinson Tryon wrote (29-03-13 06:29)
Thoughts on these proposals?
Both involve quite some work/handling/training to make them work as
desired. And then still: bugs for extensions will appear in BugZilla,
either being NOTOURBUG or not... (users will not check, just
Hi Eike,
Eike Rathke wrote (20-03-13 14:36)
On Thursday, 2013-03-14 11:25:43 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote:
Working with users, I quite often have the impression that it's
wrong that the setting
Tools Options Calc General
Expand references when new columns/rows are inserted
is set to OFF
Hi,
I've started working with an old Ms templateproject in an .dot
Rewrote some of the VBA.
Saved that as .odt.
There is a toolbar with popup menu's. And the menu's do work and launch
the script in the .odt file.
(IIRC, creating a popup with the Addon.xcu in an extension is not possible.)
As
Cor Nouws wrote (19-03-13 16:46)
Putting the files in either
/home/cono/LibreOffice/401rc2/libreoffice4.0/share/config/soffice.cfg/modules/swriter/...
or
/.config/libreoffice/401rc2/user/config/soffice.cfg/modules/swriter/
and renaming some elements
menu:menuitem menu:id
Thorsten Behrens wrote (23-01-13 20:50)
David Tardon wrote:
when a slide that uses custom styles is copied to another presentation,
the styles are not copied, possibly breaking the slide's layout.
Commit 24578b804007d8c3201e5ed32b8485e1725c33c1 fixes that. I would like
to get it into 3.6 and
Cor Nouws wrote (16-03-13 11:57)
Is also on the radar that copying single objects from one file to
another suffers from the same problem: i.e. style information is ignored?
(which AFAIR did work some ... time ago).
is fdo#41436
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Hi,
Michael Meeks wrote (14-03-13 17:10)
* Learning lessons from the template manager story (Cedric)
+ was never included in any release as an experimental feature
+ can we find a way to encourage people to try experimental features ?
+ communication problems around
Hi,
Michael Meeks wrote (14-03-13 17:10)
* Learning lessons from the template manager story (Cedric)
+ was never included in any release as an experimental feature
+ can we find a way to encourage people to try experimental features ?
+ communication problems around
Stefan Knorr wrote (13-03-13 23:09)
To be honest, to me it looks like we have too many filters there...
Do we know why those were added and who make use of them?
If not, let's keep them.
In my experience there are always people that use the advanced features
- reasons for what they love
Hi Ross, Petr,
Petr Mladek wrote (12-03-13 09:55)
Ross Smith píše v Út 05. 03. 2013 v 14:11 -0500:
The help file describes a methodology for creating a new default
[...]
Great catch. Would you like to update the help text?
[]
May I, since the discussion on this topic is not yet done
Cor Nouws has abandoned this change.
Change subject: Restore menu File Template
..
Patch Set 1: Abandoned
for now (apart from that it needs to be fixed) this patch makes no sense, since
it does not address the needs
Cor Nouws (via Code Review) wrote (04-03-13 09:10)
for now (apart from that it needs to be fixed) this patch makes no
sense, since it does not address the needs that arise from submitted
issues in this area
The patch is about finding functions in the UI. But the issues are more
about
Thorsten Behrens wrote (04-03-13 18:24)
Cor Nouws wrote:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamednamedcmd=TemplateManagerlist_id=247264
This query appears not to be public - can you publish it, or paste the
full query string?
Hmm, I had set it to 'editbugs'.
Maybe
Hi,
Thorsten Behrens wrote (04-03-13 23:58)
[new template dialog problems in 4.0.0]
thx for the look into that - as a first question (Cc QA list), is this
list triaged enough for hackers to start poking at high-prio issues?
I did quite some checking, rephrasing, and closing of dups. And
Hi,
Thorsten Behrens wrote (04-03-13 23:58)
[new template dialog problems in 4.0.0]
thx for the look into that - as a first question (Cc QA list), is this
list triaged enough for hackers to start poking at high-prio issues?
I did quite some checking, rephrasing, and closing of dups. And
Hi Maciej,
Maciej Rumianowski wrote (01-03-13 15:56)
I've found a Bug in LibreOffice Writer (61495
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61495) and now I'm trying
to fix this.
[..]
Good idea. For now, I suspect the export code..
goes out of list. I don't know how Office Word react
Hi Chris,
Chris Lord wrote (25-02-13 16:04)
[...]
- Font colour is now red, bullets remain black.
Yes. Bullets/numbering has its own properties ;-)
You choose Format Bullets/numbering in the menu, and find out that on
the tab Customize you can select the color.
(Better is to do that in the
Michael Meeks wrote (25-02-13 12:06)
[...] I assume we should
not be offering the correction context menu if we have a selection - to
make it possible to right-click change the color eg. of a single
technical word ? :-)
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Hi guys 'n girls,
Next Sunday at FOSDEM I'll be giving the beginners talk to successful
participating in LibreOffice QA - or something similar.
As will be noticed, I'm mostly absent here (due to other obligations),
so it may well be that I've missed important developments, that I should
Hi,
Joel Madero wrote (28-01-13 20:37)
My opinion is we remove the save function from Writer completely so that
we are consistent and then I can make a new enhancement request to
correctly implement saving preferences. I didn't want to make the
changes until I get some feedback.
We had a
Hi Thorsten,
Thorsten Behrens wrote (25-01-13 14:45)
Cor Nouws wrote:
Would love to see this picked for 4.0.0 - therefore the whole discussion
was started.
we briefly touched on this during ESC yesterday - but since according
to https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1787/ the patch does
Hi all,
Knowing we're all busy, I still ask if this can have some attention :-)
If needed, I expect to be able to do something tomorrow evening.
Cheers,
Cor
Cor Nouws wrote (20-01-13 23:23)
Hi all,
Would love to see this picked for 4.0.0 - therefore the whole discussion
was started.
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Template Manager dialog.
There are no folders present in my build - I guess that's due to
differences between 4.0 and master branch...
As for Localisation: only one label changed
'Template Manager' to 'Edit'
Cheers,
Cor
Cor Nouws (via Code Review) wrote (20-01-13 23:10)
Hi,
I have submitted
Cor Nouws wrote (15-01-13 13:15)
[...]
Just below the group Wizards. Since it's only one line, it won't disturb
the rest of the menu (since the new item Save as template can be
removed). And it will make the features for templates, thus the new
dialog, much better visible :-)
Hi,
Since
Cor Nouws has abandoned this change.
Change subject: fdo#57510 show Icons in menus by default -regardles of os
default
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Patch Set 3: Abandoned
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Hi Cedric
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (15-01-13 10:06)
On Mon, 2013-01-14 at 20:32 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote:
[...]
And I still see File New .. for editing or managing not as a natural
route.
Then may be we should find a new Wording for the File New ... menu
item. In a not so far future
Hi all,
Sorry fr being late here...
Michael Stahl wrote (10-01-13 15:10)
My understanding is
a) that its intentional, see
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2010-February/000540.html
and the commit
Hi Cedric,
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (14-01-13 09:30)
The idea of a new template manager was to bring the content of that old
menu to the users. At least now they don't have to discover that item
(too far down in the File Menu) that triggers a sub-menu.
Is there a certain position in the menu's
Cor Nouws wrote (12-12-12 18:11)
Kohei Yoshida wrote (12-12-12 14:29)
On 12/12/2012 01:32 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
Of course I think it deserves a clear explanation in Help and Release
notes, with examples that help users understand whether they should
bother at all.
But also it looks as a very
Hi Cedric,
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (10-01-13 08:40)
I'll need help to track these down: I would consider them as bugs. Could
you please report a list of the missing things in that area?
As far as I can see, everything is missing.
File New Templatemanager
* Tab - no result
* Ctrl+Tab -
Hi Jean-Baptiste,
Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote (09-01-13 20:29)
I had the same building problem today : Neon is necessary if you want
have persona working.
I solved it with the help of Kendy and Bjoern by removing
--with-system-openssl
from my autogen.lastrun
Thanks, doing that now too,
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