Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [bjoern.michael...@canonical.com: [Libreoffice] What is bibisect? And what is it doing in my office?]

2011-12-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 03:43:11PM +, Pedro Lino wrote: What do you mean complete office install? A dev-install with these configure-flags: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/bibisect/build.sh#n34 So no mozilla/binfilter/help/dictionaries, but most bugs

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 11:36:47PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: So, really, rather than time at which the tinderbox pulled, I argue that recorded commit time of the HEAD node is a better identifier to put in tarball names, about boxes, etc. It is really (within a branch) a proper

[Libreoffice-qa] bibisecting HowTo published on the wiki

2012-02-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, I added a bibisecting Howto to the wiki, please try getting started with bibisecting and report back if you are missing information on how to proceed. And remember: Bibisecting a bug will make it much more likely that your bug will be fixed quickly as a bibisected regression is much

[Libreoffice-qa] Ubuntu/Canonical doing more manual testing for LibreOffice?

2012-02-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Sophie, Cor, QA-List please see: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2012-February/003745.html this is an opportunity to get more structured manual testing done on LibreOffice. Could you have a look if you could help out coordinating this with our own efforts to get LibreOffice

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to reopen Bug reports

2012-02-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 01:38:36PM +, Caolán McNamara wrote: Yeah, basically don't reopen bugs :-) unless its worksforme or some other I couldn't reproduce this state and you've figured out a sure-fire way to reproduce it. Agree. IMHO FIXED-REOPENED should be reserved for the original bug

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] FDO bugzilla setting for following all bug reports of certain module ?

2012-03-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 08:13:46AM +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: I have been rummaging around FDO bugzilla trying to find a way to make myself automatically get CC on bugs filed fot the database module. As yet, I've not found any easier way to do this than by querying for all bugs where the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Ubuntu/Canonical doing more manual testing for LibreOffice?

2012-03-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Sophie, all, On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 11:29:32AM +0100, Sophie Gautier wrote: So, I'm ready to work on this, but as underlined by Yifan, it would be interesting for us to keep also our Litmus system up to date and synchronized because it's used under several OS and languages so it has a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Ubuntu/Canonical doing more manual testing for LibreOffice?

2012-03-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Sophie, On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 02:33:25PM +0100, Sophie Gautier wrote: ok, but I won't install ubuntu, setup an environment on launchpad and install bazaar (or do I have to? is it mandatory?). So a little help so that I don't spend all my week-end on this would be: - is this link the good

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC

2012-03-06 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
) community testing, communication: - how do we recruit more QA-interested contributors? (Cor Nouws, Sophie Gaultier) - can we have QA-related EasyHacks? Can we explicitly promote those? (all) regression testing/bibisect: - how do we broaden the bibisect know-how (Korrawit Pruegsanusak, Bjoern

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC

2012-03-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 11:08:03AM +0100, Sophie Gautier wrote: For Checkbox we are waiting for an experienced/skilled QA member to write the tests, will we have this person for the call? I hope both Nicholas Skaggs and Yifan Jiang will be able to join the call so that we can work out what

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC

2012-03-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Nino, On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 08:42:10AM +0100, Nino Novak wrote: I'd like to add a typical requirement/wish from an occasional tester: - to have an easy way to set up an individual collection of test cases which can be reused (first idea: e.g. by tagging them), so that everybody sees, who

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC

2012-03-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 09:55:10AM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: I have some explicit ideas on some of the items. Should we attempt to exchange those before the meeting, or at least mention them (briefly)? In general, just mention a new topic as a oneliner to add to the agenda. If its something

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC -- dial in details

2012-03-08 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 02:45:13AM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi all, I would like to set up a LibreOffice QA call to streamline our QA efforts. I propose to make our first call on: Friday, 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC [...] I will post the phone conference numbers later. Dial

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC

2012-03-08 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Yifan Jiang, On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 10:39:57AM +0800, Yifan Jiang wrote: Hi Bjoern, Thanks for inviting and coordinating everything ( sorry for the late reply, it was a busy week ) :) I'll try to join when it is possible, though the time could be a bit late in China. An obstacle is I am

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] tag for bugs related to experimental turned on/off

2012-03-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:18:17PM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: IMO, we need a tag for bugs related to experimental turned on/off See comment https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43869#c24 What is useful? whiteboard, keyword, tag in summary line ? Whiteboard. Keyword is too much bothering

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] tag for bugs related to experimental turned on/off

2012-03-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:09:24AM -0700, Pedro wrote: That comes as a consequence of a larger problem: what features are enabled when you check that box? If you dont know it, you shouldnt touch it. There is a reason that those features are in experimental -- they are likely unstable. Unless

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] tag for bugs related to experimental turned on/off

2012-03-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:20:40AM -0700, Pedro wrote: The problem here is that a single check box enables a group of unknown features. No, its not. If you need a stable product, the checkbox is not a option anyway as all its features are instable by definition. Personally I would be

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] tag for bugs related to experimental turned on/off

2012-03-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:25:11PM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: A feature is either stable enough to be included even with experimental enabled or it is not. If you care about macros, help out getting it stable enough to be moved out of experimental an into the general feature set. Hmm, macro

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] tag for bugs related to experimental turned on/off

2012-03-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:04:55AM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote: After thinking about it, I agree. Net result of wiki edits: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=BugReport_Detailsaction=historysubmitdiff=45998oldid=45766 Thanks! Best, Bjoern

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.4.6 RC2 test builds available

2012-03-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Pedro, On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 05:32:04PM +, Pedro Lino wrote: Maybe branch 3.4.x should continue to be updated (in the same way that Mozilla keeps fixing bugs in version 3.6.x, with x currently at 28, even though the latest version is 11.0...) until at least all 3.3.x regressions are

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 05:04:44PM +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote: Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Take a good look at the last slide of:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Rainer, all, On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 07:21:15AM +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: a) Regression Bug 47096 EDITING: Alt + Drag and Drop for complete rows impossible in particular documents frequently forces me to use 3.4.5. I had a short look at this one as a exemplary post-mortem (the bug

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC

2012-03-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 06:42:45PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: AA- copypaste existing manual test as a one off for 3.5/Precise (Bjoern) AA- Check if test documents are URLs properly distributed to Checkbox (Bjoern) Just discussed this with Nicholas Skaggs, the deadline

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Litmus, a proposal

2012-03-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 02:27:20PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: The first and most important one is: it is behind its own login -- and that prevents the casual bypasser to get involved and interested. IMHO, we absolutely need to change that. The testcases should be browsable without a login

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-23 15:00UTC

2012-03-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi there, this is the reminder that we have the next QA call on Friday. 2012-03-23 1500UTC Prototype agenda below, please reply with topics you would like to dicuss and feel free to join even if you are not explicitly invited (as this is not our first call, we might have some time for more

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Litmus, a proposal

2012-03-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Pedro, On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:45:29AM -0700, Pedro wrote: But adding it to the easy hacks doesn't it mean that it's off limits to the usual collaborators No, it only means that these task do not require a particulary deep knowledge of some arcane corners of the LibreOffice codebase.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Litmus, a proposal

2012-03-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:26:49PM +0200, Rimas Kudelis wrote: For the reference: * I have a Litmus TODO list at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Litmus_TODO. I'd be glad if you added bugzilla links and missing entries to it. As I've mentioned before, it would be really nice to maintain

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Litmus, a proposal

2012-03-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:16:51PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: I don't know, but it may not make sense to keep improving Litmus at that point. After all, if they settled for a rewrite, you just have to expect it to be so much better than the old tool, right? :) That might be the case

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Litmus, a proposal

2012-03-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:16:51PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: They already have a staging server, but I cant get into it. Register mail just took a while. I now can walk around in: https://caseconductor-dev.allizom.org Its is all looking very nifty and web-2.0-ish. But unlike Litmus, I

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Litmus, a proposal

2012-03-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:44:46PM -0700, Pedro wrote: I thought it was what WE (you , me, TDF, the LO project,etc) are missing. That is already perfectly clear -- as you know we already have a bug for that -- and thus need no repeating. But punching the codeconductor devs for not having your

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Litmus, a proposal

2012-03-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Pedro, On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:04:51AM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: That is already perfectly clear -- as you know we already have a bug for that -- and thus need no repeating. But punching the codeconductor devs for not having your pet feature in a prerelease of their free

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Petr, all, On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 02:44:38PM +0100, Petr Mladek wrote: I agree with Marcus that often it is not easy to say what functionality is affected. Various changes might have many side effects. Still, developers are the ones with the best guess there. I am a bit scared by adding

[Libreoffice-qa] Invitation to the LibreOffice Hackfest 2012 in Hamburg

2012-03-23 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, Let me take this opportunity to shamelessly plug the LibreOffice Hamburg Hackfest 2012. The city of Hamburg has throughout history taken its freedom and independence as a high treasure -- as can be seen from its motto: Libertatem quam peperere maiores digne studeat servare posteritas.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] EasyHack tags

2012-03-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Rainer, On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 06:38:59PM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: I have a question / suggestion concerning EasyHack tags. I do not know whether there has been an agreement, and the Wiki is some wishy-washy We should clarify that then. I would prefer a standard that

[Libreoffice-qa] Investigating Caseconductor for next QA call

2012-03-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Pedro, On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 04:16:59AM -0700, Pedro wrote: Your comments make perfect sense. I am available to help with a serious comparison of Litmus vs Caseconductor. Did you already have a chance to have a look at: https://caseconductor-dev.allizom.org/

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] EasyHack tags

2012-03-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Rainer, On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 06:38:59PM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: I have a question / suggestion concerning EasyHack tags. I do not know whether there has been an agreement, and the Wiki is some wishy-washy Which Wikipages dod you find documenting this btw? Best, Bjoern

[Libreoffice-qa] Proposal: Calls for Testing

2012-03-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi developers, Hi QAers, On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:43:21AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: My take on this: - What does make sense, is having indeed a list of areas that can be clearly pointed at, and to mention them in a sort of standard post on our official TDF blog. E.g. every two weeks 4 to 8

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Investigating Caseconductor for next QA call

2012-03-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Sophie, On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:05:24PM +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: I'm not Pedro or Rimas, but I would have time to have a look for the end of next week. If you think I'm not enough skilled, no problem. That would be excellent! And if anything, you would be overskilled as my primary

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Adding RTL Keyword

2012-03-31 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Shahar, here is a suggestion: On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 01:38:00AM +0300, Shahar Or wrote: I would prefer a simple instruction on how to: 1. Have a URL to a list of all RTL bugs. Not just the most annoying ones.

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-04-06 1400UTC

2012-04-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi there, this is the reminder that we have the next QA call on Friday: 2012-04-06 1400UTC Given that this is a holiday in a lot of places (I realized that too late) we might end up with only a few people on the call. Hopefully, we can counter that by discussing everything we missed out on the

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes for the LibreOffice QA call 2012-04-06 1400UTC

2012-04-06 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, here are the minutes for the LibreOffice QA call on: Friday, 2012-04-06 1400UTC attending: Rainer Bielefeld, Florian Reisinger, Petr Mladek, Jan Holesovsky (Kendy), Bjoern Michaelsen * pending action items - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - Publish Rainers

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug Triage best practice: Change or not change assignee?

2012-04-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:23:46PM +0200, Nino Novak wrote: the question emerged, if reassigning a NEEDINFO-bug to the presumed info provider[1] is Good or Bad. Please advise. Nino [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=BugTriagediff=prevoldid=42240 IMHO yes, the bug

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug Triage best practice: Change or not change assignee?

2012-04-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 09:53:22AM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: I believe it is a very bad idea to use that field to show who should contribute additional information to the bug report, the Assigned To field should remain reserved for the competent person person who will fix the bug

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Information in Master builds About box

2012-04-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 03:18:41AM -0700, Pedro wrote: For QA this is mostly useless. The only information you can get from this is about the core repository... Which is where 99% of the action is, so please refrain from exaggerations. LibreOffice 3.5.3.1 Build ID:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug Triage best practice: Change or not change assignee?

2012-04-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Rainer, you miss some of the most important community mechanics at work here. See comments below. On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 08:14:47AM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: That's something to what I might agree. But when I ask John Doe to contribute some more information, I (QA) remain owner. But

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug Triage best practice: Change or not change assignee?

2012-04-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 04:54:23PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: Nino Novak píše v Út 24. 04. 2012 v 12:14 +0200: Hi Guys, can we have a decision in this matter? So, please, for meritocratic reasons, Bjoern and Rainer, I believe it's up to you to decide. (Or is ESC or whatever tdf

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the QA call 2012-04-20

2012-04-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 05:44:29PM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Petr: Yifan setup CC internally, put some sample testcases, played with it this morning, looks good: Advantages: + easier interface than Litmus + most actions are intuitive + suite and tags to sort

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug Triage best practice: Change or not change assignee?

2012-04-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:34:56AM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: BTW: There was wrongly described Novell bugzilla. In fact, it has the best solution, I have ever seen, for this particular problem. It has heavily modified the interface. If you set the state NEEDEINFO, it shows inputbox where

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Information in Master builds About box

2012-04-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 01:43:57PM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: And developers, are they helped with the more precise info? In less than 1% of the cases, so: no. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address:

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-04 14:00 UTC

2012-05-03 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi there, this is the reminder that we have the next QA call on Friday: 2012-05-04 1400UTC prototype agenda below. Additions and corrections most welcome. action item review: - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-04 14:00 UTC

2012-05-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, here are the minutes of the QA call on 2012-05-04 1400UTC. attendants: Cor, Rainer, Bjoern pending action items: - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer) - blocked on CC/Litmus choice

[Libreoffice-qa] verification tweets (was: minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-04 14:00 UTC)

2012-05-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:47:24PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: AA - blog about bug verification (Bjoern) I had some additional thoughts on this and think we should make that another QA EasyHack: Twiiter resolved bugs for verification. The task is to set up a some bot that sends a short

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC

2012-05-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, the next LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC -- the agenda is suspiciously empty so far this time (I havnt had too much time to dig through the list during UDS), additions and topics most welcome! pending action items: - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer)

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC

2012-05-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Florian, On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 07:28:37AM +0200, Florian Reisinger wrote: Which room? ( or is it always the same) Ups, sorry forget that. Like always: Dial-in numbers for countries outside Germany can be found at: http://www.talkyoo.net/main/telefonkonferenz_internationale_rufnummern

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC

2012-05-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, here are the minutes of the LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC. attending: Markus, Florian, Rainer, Petr, Bjoern pending action items: - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer) -

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC

2012-05-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 07:38:10PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: - Yifan had good progress setting this up (Petr) this being MozTrap. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC

2012-05-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 10:15:30AM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: But for all people who have a brain working similar to mine that website is a terrible mess, for me every step was painful, to find where I can do a click announcing that I am interested in LibreOffice was more or less

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-05-18 14:00 UTC

2012-05-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 10:15:30AM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: But for all people who have a brain working similar to mine that website is a terrible mess, for me every step was painful, to find where I can do a click announcing that I am interested in LibreOffice was more or less

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] OpenHatch Bitesize Bugzilla links

2012-05-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 08:46:34AM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Bugzilla links in OpenHatch lead to the www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/ environment, what has been created for use with Bugzilla Submission Assitant. I do not think that it's a good idea, for example in that environment your

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Moztrap evaluation online!

2012-05-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 03:19:21AM -0600, Yi Fan Jiang wrote: We ever had a discussion of switching our case management tool from Litmus to Moztrap, see: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Litmus-a-proposal-td3845560.html Now we are very happy to announce the

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice EasyHacks on OpenHatch

2012-05-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, in case you missed it, we are on openhatch with our project and our EasyHacks now: http://openhatch.org/+projects/libreoffice http://openhatch.org/search/?project=libreoffice Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-06-01 14:00 UTC

2012-05-31 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, the next LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-06-01 14:00 UTC. See prototype agenda below. pending action items: - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer) - blocked on CC/Litmus choice availability

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Gerrit auto-merge

2012-06-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 08:54:42AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 03:08:55PM +0200, Michael Stahl wrote: On 01/06/12 15:01, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: * Quality of round-robin patch

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Gerrit auto-merge

2012-06-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 08:02:43AM +0200, David Tardon wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 10:51:25AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: So -- people with commit rights are not the issue: - can commit directly to master on their own responsibility (this should be discouraged, except for urgent

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Gerrit auto-merge

2012-06-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 08:02:43AM +0200, David Tardon wrote: Do I see the beginning of some CWS process here? BTW, the main trouble with the CWS process was that it required the changes to completely resolve some random bug description (aka. what some non-developer dreamed up to be his pet

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] crasher bugs and most annoying bugs generated by automation [was: 3.5.3rc1 win32 / debug package ...]

2012-06-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:02:43AM -0700, bfo wrote: Bjoern Michaelsen wrote Crash counter (search for libreoffice-core): https://errors.ubuntu.com/ Open LibreOffice crasher bugs by most affected users: Open LibreOffice crasher bugs by bug heat: This s very cool. Question

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bibisecting

2012-06-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 11:06:03PM +0700, Korrawit Pruegsanusak wrote: Hello Rainer, Bjoern, all, On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote: has already someone tested http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/bibisect/ successfully and can contribute

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bibisect whiteboard proposal: remove redundant word

2012-06-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 11:18:00PM +0700, Korrawit Pruegsanusak wrote: So, my proposal: remove bibisected35 if we have *older or *newer. [...] Did I missed something or misunderstood something? Please feel free to tell me :) Sounds good to me, go ahead. I wonder, if we should get rid of the

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the LibreOffice QA call 2012-06-01 14:00 UTC

2012-06-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
resend (updating subject, ccing projects) - Forwarded message from Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com - Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:47:37 +0200 From: Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com To: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa

[Libreoffice-qa] Alpha1 available from ppa [was: LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available]

2012-06-06 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:16:15AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Indeed -- I will need to fix some dependencies to make in install cleanly. So, hold on for a bit until that is fixed. LibreOffice-3.6.0~alpha1~0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa4 from that PPA should now give you a base for testing. All

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Bugzilla Version Picker items – 2

2012-06-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 04:47:28PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 12:11 +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Petr Mladek schrieb: rc should not appear in Help/About, that's an additional info added to Bugzilla Version like Master. yes Could we use the same scheme also in

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Alpha1 available from ppa [was: LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available]

2012-06-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:26:55AM +0530, dE . wrote: Are these static builds? Cause when extracting from RPMs, they complained of missing libpng on Gentoo. Ubuntu Precise builds are for Ubuntu Precise and nothing else. That being said, this alpha release contains a packaging bug still that

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Bugzilla Version Picker items – 2

2012-06-08 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 03:45:11PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 17:25 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Just as an hint. Ubuntu/Debian would use something like: 3.6.0~alpha1 3.6.0~alpha1+daily20120606 3.6.0~beta1 3.6.0.1 I really like it. I would like to use

[Libreoffice-qa] 3.6.0~beta1 in ppa for precise (was: [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 beta1 available)

2012-06-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 03:00:43AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Hi *, for the upcoming new version 3.6.0, we today upload a first beta1 build that is (almost) feature-complete. For further milestones on the way towards 3.6.0, please refer to our release plan timings here:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.6.0 Beta1 available

2012-06-12 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 03:59:54AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Dear Community, The Document Foundation is happy to announce the first beta release of LibreOffice 3.6.0. The upcoming 3.6.0 will be our fourth major release in two years, and comes with a nice set of new features. Please be

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Bugzilla Version Picker items – 2

2012-06-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 09:41:50AM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: yes, that implies that the first actual release is 3.6.1 and there is no 3.6.0 release, but those never work anyway so who cares ;) Marketing does. 3.x.0 is when all the big news sites report about it and it will be hard to change

[Libreoffice-qa] libreoffice qa call 2012-06-14

2012-06-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, the next LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-06-14 14:00 UTC. See prototype agenda below. @Norbert: Would be great for you to be able to join for gerrit discussion. pending action items: - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer) - collect further ideas for spending a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the libreoffice qa call 2012-06-14

2012-06-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, here are the minutes of todays QA call. attending: Florian, Petr, Rainer, Bjoern pending action items: - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the libreoffice qa call 2012-06-14

2012-06-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 06:21:07PM +0200, Markus Mohrhard wrote: AI:  - adapt script to new version theme (Markus) done. The manual solution that is currently implemented is now adjusted to the new version scheme. lol, you could beat a high frequency trader bot with your latency. Thanks!

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the libreoffice qa call 2012-06-14

2012-06-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 02:10:27PM +0200, Michael Stahl wrote: why is it necessary to have distribution specific builds for testing? AFAIK Kendy want to get rid of universal builds anyway. http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=rpm-x86_64lang=en-USversion=3.6.0 is there a lack of

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.6.0 Bugs without keyword REGRESSION

2012-06-27 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:38:34AM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: shows a lot of 3.6.0 and 3.7.0 Bugs without key word regression, although bugs for these Versions are regressions by definition. ... unless they are about new features ;) Best, Bjoern

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.5 RC2 test builds available

2012-06-27 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
at: https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-precisetest-20120327 the same source package has been pushed to: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise and will finish building there in some ~5 hours, making it available to all people who

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-06-29 [corrected date!!!!]

2012-06-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 08:25:40PM +0200, Florian Reisinger wrote: the next LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-06-28 14:00 UTC. See prototype agenda below. Hopefully it should be 2012-06-29?? Yes, sorry. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa

[Libreoffice-qa] [reisi...@gmail.com: Re: LibreOffice QA Call 2012-06-28]

2012-06-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
- Forwarded message from Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com - Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:25:40 +0200 From: Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com To: Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-06-28 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the LibreOffice QA Call 2012-06-29 1400UTC

2012-06-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, please find the minutes of the QA call below. Additions and corrections most welcome. attending: Cor, Florian, Petr, Rainer, Bjoern pending action items: - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - recheck and

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 06:35:59PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 09:56:32AM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * CXX0X-ABI incompatibility can of worms (Bjoern) + gcc 4.7 - cxx0x extension is binary incompatible + incompatible stdlib symbols that bust

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Noel, On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 05:04:01PM +0200, Noel Grandin wrote: It would be nice if the gerrit emails had this in the header: To: libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org, SO that my mailing list filters picked it up as belonging to the libreoffice mailing list. yes, I saw that -- I

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-06 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi there, On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 04:13:32PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + firehose gerrit updates to the mailing list until complaints. + quite a number blocked by moderation AI: + look at gerrit moderation issues / regex's (Thorsten) This is solved now

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] feedback on the fr bug hunting session

2012-07-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Sophie, On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 10:47:27AM +0200, Sophie Gautier wrote: Some information on the bug hunting session in the FR community, there has been 7 persons participating during the two days (they even go on on Sunday :). I'm now collecting feedback to draw a better process for our

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Upvote important questions on ask.libreoffice.org ([Bug 51894] https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ misses a ask.libreoffice.org link)

2012-07-10 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi QA guys and gals, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51894 --- Comment #4 from Jean Spiteri beimaginativeegr...@gmail.com 2012-07-10 21:54:35 CEST --- Can you help me, please? Give me the most important questions from ask.libreoffice.org. I hope this list is a good audience

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA call 2012-07-12

2012-07-12 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, the next LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-07-13 14:00 UTC. See prototype agenda below. pending action items: - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - merge 3.5 and 3.6 in one big bibisect repo (Bjoern) - recheck and tweak bibisect details (Bjoern) - research

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 04:55:50PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + Unique IP's using 3.6.0 betas so far: + B1 - 1100 + B2 - 1000 + B3 - 220 There is a simple explaination for the huge beta3 dropoff I guess: I never packaged it in the prereleases

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] gerrit [was: minutes of ESC call ...]

2012-07-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:21:17AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 04:55:50PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * gerrit update (David / Bjoern) + can we have the patch in the 'new change' mail (Lionel) + would be nice ! + two ways to do mailing -

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-07-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 04:50:28PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * gerrit update (Bjoern) + syadmin team for gerrit have an alias: ger...@otrs.documentfoundation.org please use sparingly for agreed issues or service outages. + OTRS being deployed

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Website Bug Hunting Session

2012-07-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Olivier, On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 03:32:35AM -0700, Olivier Hallot [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: I actually would like to understand better the scope of the session. For example, I am one of the pt-BR admins and I think the whole Silverstripe template should be trashed and

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-07-27

2012-07-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, the next LibreOffice QA call is on 2012-07-27 14:00 UTC. See prototype agenda below. pending action items: - write update scenario testcase in Litmus/MozTrap (Kendy) - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-07-27

2012-07-27 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, here are the minutes of the LibreOffice QA call on 2012-07-27 14:00 UTC. Additions and corrections welcome. attendance: Petr, Rainer, Norbert, Bjoern completed action items: + - Invite active bugwranglers to next call/QA list, CC Rainer (Bjoern) - authorative close of bugzilla

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Open Issues

2012-07-31 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 09:09:27AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: Do we have an ongoing list of open issues that we keep track of and up to date? Yes, its called bugzilla. ;) If not it might be a good idea to get one going. I think that there are at least 3-4 things in the past couple

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Freedesktop down ??

2012-08-01 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 08:52:04AM -0700, bfo wrote: Florian Reisinger wrote Somehow it seems to me that Bugzilla is down (With some circumstances only...) http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/862641-81201261840PM Hi. Seems it is updated to 4.0.7 now and blazing fast atm... Best

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2012-08-06 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 12:18:33PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: Actually - that's almost right :-) only the timing is wrong. The important thing is to stop developers who created a new bug from moving on to creating another one, first fixing the one they just made ;-) Incedentally,

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