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on this subject. But
before doing so: has there been some design decision, or is there
something else that I should know in this area?
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Hi friends,
Wishing you a year full of compassion, which is a great source of peace
and happiness. And much joy with our work on LibreOffice.
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So that's the problem :)
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The applications are just too
Hi all,
Input appreciated for
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94464
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Cor Nouws wrote (16-01-14 18:56)
Jan Holesovsky wrote (09-01-14 18:41)
* Pending Action Items: + need design for copying styles between
templates (Cor Nouws/other UX?) cf.
http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org
Michael Meeks wrote (20-12-13 10:36)
On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 22:24 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote:
Michael Meeks wrote (19-12-13 21:24)
* Pending Action Items:
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Cor Nouws/other UX?)
cf.
http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise
Michael Meeks wrote (19-12-13 21:24)
* Pending Action Items:
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Cor Nouws/other UX?)
cf.
http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01658.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux
a little longer and then cut it off.
On the other hand, the option to jump from one hyperlink to another
one,is something that one would expect in the navigation button/panel.
But it's not in there... Strange.
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for as it is done now at the bottom of the scroll bar.
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in some cirucumstances not
perfect present solution.
This really confuses me.
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not sure if there is a real problem
that can be solved by removing controls (that by the way just work and
are being used).
Is there some other real problem that needs to be addressed by the
patch? Is there something that I oversee?
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Cor
Michael Meeks wrote (09-10-13 17:57)
Just a quick query; I rather like the idea of turning the 'File' menu
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Hi Jean-Fraincois, *
[ picking up this thread, now/as far as time allows ]
Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote (19-09-13 07:14)
Le 18/09/2013 17:16, Cor Nouws a écrit :
It would be my strong, very strong, preference to make controls for
direct formatting hidden, far hidden, and clearly show
there!
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, understanding, of styles
look cludgy...
Maybe LO should make the buttons have the same effect? From a user
perspective it is applying a direct formatting but in the background it is
creating and applying Styles...
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Hi Markus,
Markus Mohrhard wrote (20-09-13 05:11)
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/5985/1
Thanks for asking. I say yes!
(It's for https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67159
Danny didn't mention the bug number in the commit message.)
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for your ideas,
Cor
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Hi David,
dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11)
snip
Direct formatting is
less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more
confusing to the average user than MSO's.
Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion?
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button bar. So you could be able
to reopen the panel you need with one click. Currently, you need to
reopen the Sidebar then click the panel button.
[Thanks to Regina for answering this ;) ]
Ciao!
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But I agree that there is a real opportunity for improving, thanks to
the side bar!
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and is a key part of iWork.
Cheers,
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PS See you in Milan?
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http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-ux-advise/2013-September/002323.html
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See you in Milan?
Yes, I hope so. :)
:) - good to continue part of the conversation while looking at the screen!
thanks best,
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the Sidebar: for eating space and
for promoting bad habits :(
it's clear that I would rather see support for the use of styles.
So I mocked up a little version with various style categories shown at
the same time.
Would appreciate your ideas :)
thanks ciao,
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Are there experiences from other teams with such tags?
E.g. do they find them easy to remember, how/when do they make use of
the tags...
Thanks,
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Rafael Dominguez wrote (20-05-13 04:05)
I did the rest of them already, ill push it tomorrow and ill send you a
msg after, so you can test it.
Hi Rafael,
Just to make sure that I didn't miss anything: did you already have a
change to push the work?
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Cor Nouws wrote (20-05-13 01:36)
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (13-05-13 09:50)
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 10:47 +0200, Mirek M. wrote:
I'm not the best person to design for the dialog.
Still I find this design from you :)
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards
Hi ...
Would be really lovely to get some more feed back on the mail from last
week!
Cor
Cor Nouws wrote (20-05-13 01:36)
Hi all,
Thanks for the ideas / proposals. Here few additions from me:
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Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote (25-05-13 23:44)
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Does the subject 'better colors' belong to the UX list .. ? :)
Oh yes. Thanks for pointing that useful article out. It really moves
LibreOffice out of the 90s :-)
Now I did
Hi,
Not sure if on this list the next has been seen:
http://user-prompt.com/tip-the-tool-how-to-label-toolbar-functions/
A nice study by Heiko from User Prompt, of whom I remember Björn from
our conferences :)
What do the people here think? Could be well possible to use to improve
out
Another nice post I recently saw:
http://www.openlogic.com/wazi/bid/289690/A-more-colorful-LibreOffice-unveiled
Does the subject 'better colors' belong to the UX list .. ? :)
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Well, that was already proposed 2 times in this thread !
;-)
Great that your memory is better then mine :-)
Thanks for summarising...
It seems to me that a simple dialog before opening template/creating new
file is technically much simpler and more
Hi all,
Thanks for the ideas / proposals. Here few additions from me:
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (13-05-13 09:50)
Hi Mirek, Michel,
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 10:47 +0200, Mirek M. wrote:
60589 - [Template manager]: Can not copy styles between different files
and templates
[...]
Given that I
Cor Nouws wrote (20-05-13 01:39)
only managed to add the checkbox option to the gtk+, kde4
and native dialogs, still pending the windows one and mac, but i dont
have access to a mac, so its hard to work on that one.
Joren - also in cc here - does have and does some useful patches now
Joren wrote (20-05-13 02:00)
Willing to help: SURE! Able to help ... mmh, I don't know :-). At least
I can test on Mac if new patches comes out (or if you have a draft patch
I can verify/test it on mac. I'm not sure I can develop something for
mac (without bugging other devs to help me out :)
Rafael Dominguez wrote (20-05-13 04:05)
I did the rest of them already, ill push it tomorrow and ill send you a
msg after, so you can test it.
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Michel RENON wrote (09-05-13 16:11)
While working on entrance animations, I also ran an simple test of
Impress and found bizarre behaviors :
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Michelr#Impress_4.0_:_urgent_bugs_and_enhancements
Thanks for gathering those and writing down.
I
Hi all,
Worked myself through the list with template related issues and - apart
from all great progress - found a few that are still open. And with 4.1
approaching rapidly...
60589 - [Template manager]: Can not copy styles between different files
and templates
61396 - FILEOPEN: [Template
Mirek M. wrote (10-05-13 23:16)
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM, JorenDC joren.libreoff...@telenet.be
I verified the behavior of other programs, and I see most of
them (randomly: Firefox and on Linux (Mint), Adobe Reader on
Windows, Twitter (v2.2.0) and native 'text editor' on Mac OSX,
Hi Lior and Navin,
Lior Kaplan wrote (04-04-13 14:09)
Following the work of Navin (CCed) on fdo#40496 we found out that we
need to define the behavior of the clear direct formatting function
regarding alignment.
At the moment clear direct formatting also clears the text alignment
back to the
Cor Nouws wrote (31-03-13 01:07)
Ideas?
Yes, that is has been implemented already many months * ago, but
apparently is not always visible for me, since I often drag old user
profiles with me ;-)
Closing this one.
Cor
*
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id
Hi Rafael,
Rafael Dominguez wrote (26-03-13 16:45)
Since the removal of the old template manager dialog, lots of user have
complaining that now they cant open external templates for edit. After
talking to Cedric about it we concluded that we have two options:
1.- Add the action to the Template
Hi *
mariosv wrote (21-03-13 00:47)
I think you point in the appropriate direction.
As I can remember, the issue in user forums use to be about how to get this
auto-expand. Even more, if was possible to get the row/column formulas from
previous row/col in the inserted row/column.
Also I think
Hi all,
Changing the default Number recognition to be turned of makes that
people are not confronted with numbers that change by them self.
So two ways to look at this:
a. they do not have to sit with their hands in their hair :-)
b. do not get confronted with the idea/possibility that
Hi Eike,
Eike Rathke wrote (20-03-13 14:36)
On Thursday, 2013-03-14 11:25:43 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote:
Working with users, I quite often have the impression that it's
wrong that the setting
Tools Options Calc General
Expand references when new columns/rows are inserted
is set to OFF
Stefan Knorr wrote (13-03-13 23:09)
To be honest, to me it looks like we have too many filters there...
Do we know why those were added and who make use of them?
If not, let's keep them.
In my experience there are always people that use the advanced features
- reasons for what they love
Hi Maciej,
Maciej Rumianowski wrote (01-03-13 15:56)
I've found a Bug in LibreOffice Writer (61495
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61495) and now I'm trying
to fix this.
[..]
Good idea. For now, I suspect the export code..
goes out of list. I don't know how Office Word react
Hi Chris,
Chris Lord wrote (25-02-13 16:04)
[...]
- Font colour is now red, bullets remain black.
Yes. Bullets/numbering has its own properties ;-)
You choose Format Bullets/numbering in the menu, and find out that on
the tab Customize you can select the color.
(Better is to do that in the
Michael Meeks wrote (25-02-13 12:06)
[...] I assume we should
not be offering the correction context menu if we have a selection - to
make it possible to right-click change the color eg. of a single
technical word ? :-)
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[...]
Just below the group Wizards. Since it's only one line, it won't disturb
the rest of the menu (since the new item Save as template can be
removed). And it will make the features for templates, thus the new
dialog, much better visible :-)
Hi,
Since
Hi Cedric
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (15-01-13 10:06)
On Mon, 2013-01-14 at 20:32 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote:
[...]
And I still see File New .. for editing or managing not as a natural
route.
Then may be we should find a new Wording for the File New ... menu
item. In a not so far future
Hi Cedric,
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (14-01-13 09:30)
The idea of a new template manager was to bring the content of that old
menu to the users. At least now they don't have to discover that item
(too far down in the File Menu) that triggers a sub-menu.
Is there a certain position in the menu's
Cor Nouws wrote (12-12-12 18:11)
Kohei Yoshida wrote (12-12-12 14:29)
On 12/12/2012 01:32 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
Of course I think it deserves a clear explanation in Help and Release
notes, with examples that help users understand whether they should
bother at all.
But also it looks as a very
Hi Cedric,
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (10-01-13 08:40)
I'll need help to track these down: I would consider them as bugs. Could
you please report a list of the missing things in that area?
As far as I can see, everything is missing.
File New Templatemanager
* Tab - no result
* Ctrl+Tab -
Hi Cedric,
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (09-01-13 16:49)
Hum, yet another reply to myself... the Gear popup menu has the action
to reset the default template.
Nice and cool looking developments!
However it strikes met that key board functionality is not yet OK (build
2013-01-07).
Any idea if that
Hi Kendy
Jan Holesovsky wrote (07-01-13 11:32)
Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the
review.
Idea looks great to me and is an invitement for futher enhancements in
the future :-)
I gues the code in a daily from 2012-12-28 (1) is not yet complet?
I see
Hi Markus team ;-)
Markus Mohrhard wrote (07-12-12 22:35)
Since 4.0 we are able to use the cached values written into OOXML
files to prevent a slow recalculation when opening a file. Hoewever
Excel and Calc don't always give the same result for formulas so we
(Eike, Kohei and me) agreed that
Hi all,
(Having the pleasure to work with it recently, I started to look in my
archive for this mail list... )
Stefan Knorr wrote (11-10-12 15:15)
so, here's a more constructive try to make the autofit feature better:
First thanks for the feature :-)
And yes, there is some opportunity to
Hi Mirek, *,
Mirek M. wrote (08-12-12 11:30)
I've been using LibreOffice under elementary OS for a while,
[...]
What should I imagine with elementary OS ?
Does that give restrictions compared to my usual Linux desktop?
On the other hand, a separate bar for tabs would make working with
Markus Mohrhard wrote (08-12-12 02:41)
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inside the Libreoffice Calc group but Load/Save might make sense too.
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Cor Nouws wrote (27-11-12 12:14)
Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote (26-11-12 23:11)
I renamed the button AutoFormat to Table Styles.
I'm not yet convinced that that is appropriate.
Although some real improvements have been mate to the feature last year,
I think we need to be more careful with renaming
Hi Rafael, *
[ First: the paragraphs in your mail shows up in my Thunderbird as one
long line. Could you pls check if there is some gmail setting curing
that :-)
Also: If you have the previous mails replying to them each and
preferably in-line, helps me spending less time on mail reading
Hi Stephan,
Stephan Bergmann wrote (27-11-12 14:13)
Just a heads-up that
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=872d76228fc440d22924b69a391f027dbdc8e693
Introduce a Restart dialog that allows to automatically restart LO
introduces a new .ui-style dialog that could probably
Cor Nouws wrote (23-11-12 17:57)
There's not so much that I can do in code without a relative huge amount
of effort, but this one is well doable. And since I was involved in the
discussion, I offer kindly to do this :-)
I've created the bug first
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id
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Cor Nouws wrote (25-11-12 14:29)
I've created the bug first
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57510
Someone in the issue says that it's very unusual in Mac.
That is something I've no idea about.
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Hi Samuel,
Initial remark:
Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote (23-11-12 17:48)
[..]
Reasons:
* Text body is the same as Default Style, except that it has a
margin at the bottom, so I would suggest to remove Default Style from
the list.
This is not true.
Nearly all styles inherit from Default Style.
And
Hi Alexander,
Alexander Wilms wrote (16-11-12 19:15)
I don't know how the various teams determine whether something should
be part of the default toolbar, but I think it'd be worth it.
A Mock-up: http://ubuntuone.com/02DplrrUcydYMOZ4QXr8cW
Looks good (as the features do).
Am I correct if I
Hi *,
Markus Mohrhard wrote (15-11-12 17:42)
[...]While one can argue that
only a few colors are really necessary it creates big problems in
interoperability when you get a document that uses colors that we
don't offer.
Opening such a document, the color is offered as custom 1 (or such) in
when I do not join, I just trust that my ideas may contribute
to discussion/choices.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Mirek M. wrote (02-11-12 01:21)
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design
Hi Mirek, *,
Mirek M. wrote (24-10-12 23:47)
We're in the middle of our option analysis [1] and we'd like to know
whether the following options are still needed and, if so, what their
use cases are:
- Screen font antialiasing (font size from which text should be
antialiased)
I guess this may
Hi Mirek, Olivier, *
Mirek M. wrote (25-10-12 21:29)
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Olivier Hallot
We only have to enphasize the difference between presentation template
and slide template - no you or me, or any knowledgeable LO user - but
average user may get confused by
Hi Kendy,
Jan Holesovsky wrote (25-09-12 16:00)
Cor Nouws píše v Út 25. 09. 2012 v 14:58 +0200:
Hmm, currently the pop-up is the (only?) way to see the name of the slide.
How should we think about that?
That is not changed currently, as that is a tooltip, and shows outside
OK, if that's
Hi Cedric,
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (23-08-12 14:59)
No, it's a temporary header/footer... that can just remain if you need
it, but should be remove if you clicked there by mistake.
OK, that is pretty strait forward.
Has also been considered (I do not follow the list closely) to use the
click
Cor Nouws wrote (26-08-12 21:08)
This because of the nice possibilities that the control offers of
course. (Sorry, I've no Debian 32bits snapshot available).
OK decided to try a Windoos daily in the VM.
And I see that what I write actually is there. Great!
(didn't do any thorough testing yet
Jan Holesovsky wrote (26-07-12 10:33)
My reasoning is that I doubt that a user is going to switch between
themes just according to her/his mood ;-)
[...]
[This shouldn't affect the possibility to install an extension that will
change the colors.]
I have no idea about who uses it, but the
Hi Kees,
Kees 538 wrote (01-03-12 11:14)
I have remark about paste special in calc.
When you use paste special in calc all options (accept value) are enabled.
You have to disable all options you don't need and enable the value
option (if you need this one)
Won't it be easier if all options
Hi Kendy,
Jan Holesovsky wrote (28-05-12 15:43)
Not at the very moment, but I suppose this fits a bugfix definition so
we still have time to do that for 3.6 :-)
When you look at the area, maybe this one can be looked at too?
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45959
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Alexander Wilms wrote (01-05-12 17:53)
Here are the templates I uploaded: I've had issues with Plone, though,
which means that not all of them are downloadable.
To me, those look great!
[...]
I think the templates Ubuntu, Green, Glossy and Gray look alright, the
other ones look
Hi Alex,
Alexander Wilms wrote (01-05-12 15:02)
I'm Alex and member of the design team. I've created some templates,
mostly for Impress. Some of them are uploaded on
templates.libreoffice.org and seem to be rather popular.
That's cool :-)
Would it be possible to replace the old
Hi Astron,
Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote (27-04-12 15:27)
Oh, pain... yes, Ctrl-+/- would be really cool. Unfortunately, Excel
also seems to use Ctrl-+/- for Insert/Delete Cells.
On the other hand, having zoom on Ctrl-[/] would mean, at least for
me, that you need to press three keys for
Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote (28-04-12 17:38)
Le 28/04/2012 15:27, Regina Henschel a écrit :
The position of [ and ] depends on local. A German keyboard has it on
AltGr+8 and AltGr+9.
Yes. FR kbd has them on AltGr+5 / AltGr+)
Thanks Regina and Jean-Francois for this info.
Apart from
Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote (13-04-12 12:30)
See the mockup attached for what I would propose.
Looks useful and good to me !
On the same subject: my favourite is adding Ctrl-key commands to use
zoom-in/out, as in other software.
Some notes on that :
- UNO:ZOOMIN en UNO:ZOOMOUT already
Hi Markus,
Markus Mohrhard wrote (04-04-12 03:11)
I just pushed a fix for fdo#33634 to master.
:-)
Please have a special look at visual appearance, export to pdf,
printing, print preview and all areas that you know which use borders.
Have found fdo#48377 - possiprolly related ?
Cheers,
Hi Tim,
Tim Hardeck wrote (22-03-12 16:49)
I just wanted to specify some issues I would like to get feedback on:
Ah yes, I remember your previous mail, that I was net able to reply on.
Since I can read some code, and know the discussion, I could understand
your question.
But indeed, in
Hi Matteo, Stefan,
Great that you care for this, Matteo!
And of course that you helped with discussing, Stefan.
I'm a bit late: trouble to keep in track with the various topics in the
community, but found this important enough to read and try to add some
thoughts. Sorry if it is a bit too
Cedric Bosdonnat wrote (20-02-12 15:47)
Don't hesitate to grab a daily build to test it.
daily/Linux-x86_10-Release_Configuration/ still missing :-\
Luckily I did a local build yesterday, and while doing my work with
that, was catched by the new funcionality. Great solution.
Thanks!
If
Hi Thomas,
Thomas Arnhold wrote (21-02-12 13:20)
What do you think, is it save to remove it?! Or would you think this
would be a gain in usability?
Is it possible for you to polish my crystal bowl a bit, e.g. where do we
have those beeps.
Just from what pops up in my mind, I think those
Hi all,
NoOp wrote (17-02-12 05:31)
On 02/15/2012 02:44 AM, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
The current (3.5) design looked as the best option, was in the daily
builds [http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/] for several
months, and nobody complained - so we were happy with it; what a pity
that you
Kohei Yoshida wrote (15-02-12 17:29)
1. Put a value in cell A1.
2. Move the cursor to A2.
3. Ctrl-D to copy the value of A1 into A2.
For me this never worked in Calc ..
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Hi Ivan, Muhammad,
Ivan Timofeev wrote (12-02-12 09:21)
On 08.02.2012 17:06, Muhammad Haggag wrote:
This patch changes LO behavior so that we update recent documents on
file open, save, save as, save all, and close. The previous behavior
was to only update the list on document close.
Korrawit Pruegsanusak wrote (12-02-12 13:30)
IMHO the case which 'file open' would be useful is already described
in the bug comment 0 and 4: saving with a new name doesn't get old
name into the list.
Yes, if that is the technical reason, and can't be (easily) solved
different (as suggested
pierre-yves samyn wrote (08-02-12 15:09)
In the same token, there are good ideas in the conditional
formatting dialog of the extension report builder (see
screenshot). - Up and Down keys to change the order of conditions -
Indeed handy !
The plus and minus keys to add - delete conditions
Tim Hardeck wrote (25-01-12 15:29)
On Wednesday 25 January 2012 12:46:02 Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Also I changed the ZOOM_FACTOR from 1.1 to 2^(1/4), it feels better
here, the 1.1 means way too much wheel rotation to increase / decrease
the zoom considerably; but of course can be changed easily
Hi Tim,
Tim Hardeck wrote (14-01-12 18:21)
I have created a patch to address fdo#44173.
Zooming does now base on a geometric progression instead of an
arithmetic one. Since the zoom factor is not only used in Draw but
for all other applications 1.2 seems like a good choice but the value
could
Hi Tim,
Tim Hardeck wrote (16-01-12 21:38)
The problem is that if you start from a manual set zooming level or
the full page zoom like for example 66% the values are different then
the one you calculated.
I know - it was just an example.
So I have created some stimple functions which round
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