derivative work either,
and therefore need not be licensed by Bob under the GPL? After all,
it is not as if you can't trace every single bit in the source code or
resulting object code to Alice or Bob respectively, at least assuming
the compiler is not over-clever.
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is a derivative work. (That assumes the patch is substantial and not
de minimis, of course.)
IANAL, TINLA.
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res that one keep someone
> as a customer.
Indeed, it seems very reasonable to me that Red Hat doesn't want a direct
competitor as a customer. It probably has customers that are competitors
in a more indirect sense: IBM comes to mind as a possibility.
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Free Software licenses without patent clauses,
notably the GPLv2 (which only says that if there's a patent you know
about that would be infringed and is not freely licensed to all, you
can't distribute the code).
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ation that they would be willing to adopt a more
even-handed approach. I suspect that they favor permissive licenses
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ks for playing Huxley, although the rest of the comparison is inapt.
I thought you'd say that. See Asimov v. Bova (Jewish guilt and Italian
guilt), settled out of court.
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Prashant Shah scripsit:
> CCO clearly specifies that patents are not licensed but I am not sure how
> patents are treated in unlicense since nothing is specified.
The presence of the patent verbs "use" and "sell" and the use of "uncumbered"
suggest that there is a patent license, but no more than
important to
give them a new and untraditional interpretation, it appeared
that they were a mass of ambiguity, and might be twisted into
meaning very nearly anything that anybody liked.
--Lytton Strachey, "Cardinal Manning"
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ord, but don't
imagine you are one of them. You can stop responding, or stop reading,
or put me in your .procmailrc file if you don't like it.
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bogacious; all c
;s resemblance to a first-year law student is "hardly
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Half the lies they tell about me are true.
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ay, and those will be my terms tomorrow."
The transaction costs of doing so are lower. Granted, I could take down
the existing "No hunting or fishing" sign on September 15 and put up a
"Hunting and fishing permitted to all" sign, but perhaps I won't be
there on that
latantly
violating the FSF's copyright, as the license for the GPL itself
(contained in the first sentence) plainly says changing it is not
allowed. $50,000 damages is a jolly good threat to get people to stop.
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I doubt it.
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An Englishman: "Ay, belike a filchman to the nab'll leave you
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must agree. However, the proceeds, if any, must be divided equally
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is Nyar
ok at <http://ccil.org/~cowan/floss>
as a license-choosing resource. Historically OSI has shyed away from
such things because they involve recommending licenses without being
lawyers, and also suggest that some licenses are more useful than others.
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O beautiful for patriot's dream that
shment of a copyright. Feel free
to strike it out of any license you are reusing.
Furthermore, it does not override the rights explicitly granted: it merely
means that rights not granted are reserved, which is already true under
Berne and all national copyright laws.
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And we never deliver the application to users, we run the web
> application on our side servers, all users just use our web service.
In that case, the GPL's requirement to distribute source definitely
does not apply, because you are not distributing anything.
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t;,
assuming it contains attribution notices, whereas Akshar doesn't.
But it's a good thing to only have to look in one place for attribution
notices. I don't see how this change helps anyone either.
More than ever this license needs a justification in detail of its sparse
differenc
ng the original proposer to use the Apache 2.0 license unchanged,
unless extremely weighty reasons can be brought forward for using it.
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once leap to the mind are Thoreau's Walden, Emerson's Essays, George
Eliot's Adam Bede, and Landor&
is one of the few that has been tested
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extended to additional copyleft
licenses as well as new versions of existing licenses. This provision
allows you to take, for example, a EUPL+GPL work and treat it as licensed
under the GPL only.
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the friskiest group around --comes from
l
the contributors to that work. If the derivative work is not licensed
under Apache, you get rights to that part of it which is, and all bets
are off for the rest.
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And is made up of
Chad Perrin scripsit:
> 1. acquire a trademark for the term "open source"
That turned out not to be possible for a variety of silly reasons.
That's why we have the trademark "OSI Certified".
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that they applau
ou can reach the moderators (Luis Villa and Karl
> Fogel) through the addresses they use for on-list communication, or
> through [link].
I would like the "direct contact" option placed third and last, where
hopefully most people will not even reach it.
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How comes city and countr
ese reasons, you can't incorporate an LGPLed chapter into a
proprietary printed book, since the user can't easily replace the
chapter with another -- unless you supply an editable ebook format,
which is why the (L)GPL isn't encouraged by the FSF for books.
These restrictions are too often
ever, the Chicken Dance License:
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/26/chicken_dance_open_source_license>.
For several reasons given in the article, it is not in fact open source.
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e program and all derivatives? Degree, I suspect. If
> reality is messy and lacks sharp distinctions sometimes, so be it.)
My only point is that lawsuits to determine if some particular behavior
is or is not reasonable are hard to win.
--
Eric Raymond is the Margaret Mead
Rick Moen scripsit:
> As you have noticed, some firms have now adopted the clever if sleazy
> -- my interpretation -- ploy of purporting to use GPLv3 but sliding a
> mandatory badgeware notice requirement for every single UI page by
> claiming those are Additional Terms within the meaning of GPLv3
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started in a given year vs. their licenses, assuming that relicensing
events are rare enough to ignore.
(Note: I got the ordering wrong in my last post through failing to add
LGPL 2.1 and LGPL 3.0 numbers.)
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ache license.
So it's basically a distinction without a difference.
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Great World eons longer than Extaboulism."
"Why is that?" the wom
Tzeng, Nigel H. scripsit:
> Frankly, if you aren't going to tackle the categorization issue then I'd
> just update the links to insure they are accurate and leave it alone
> because you're going to have contention over what belongs in that list of
> "popular, widely used or have strong communities
with your own code.
That said, why not go ahead and release the source to your freeware
programs? It can't hurt you in any way (unless your code is full of
horrible, in which case I suppose it might damage your reputation as a
competent programmer).
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Widget99 example is something
> like the Open Art license (http://three.org/openart/license/), but it
> doesn't appear to be supported by FSF or OSI.
The "noncommercial" and "registration" clauses make that license neither
free nor open source.
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odifications to books solely by writing in the margins and retyping,
but that hasn't been true for a long time.
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Micropayment advocates mistakenly believe that efficient allocation of
resources is the purpose of markets. Efficiency is a byproduct of market
systems, not their goal. The reasons markets work are not because users
have embraced
nsing
> terms is greatly appreciated.
The best advice I have, at least, is that you are attempting reasonable
goals with unusable means. You have to rethink.
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derivative
> works of, or distribute the specification because of the OWF license
> agreements.
A good plan.
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"Oh, i suffer fro
represent an original work of authorship, is a
“derivative work”.
These would clearly cover adaptation of the text of the standard into
other standards, but an implementation of the standard doesn't look like
recasting, transforming, or adapting.
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to some rights only. The point is that once transferred,
you can't get them back without the agreement of the transferree.
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But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Eowyn I am, Eomund's daughter.
You stand between me and my lord an
ely a collective work. Larry says "collective", the FSF says
"derivative". Infinite are the arguments of mages.
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I come from under the hill, and under the hills and over the hills my paths
led. And through the air. I am he that wa
icates an existing license.
> It seems that there is a distinction to be made between "OSI-approved"
> and merely "open source", where "open source" would *by definition*
> (tautologically, it seems) be any license that conforms to the definition
> of o
permissions".
The GPL and LGPL have language allowing the recipient to ignore
additional restrictions if they aren't of specified types, but that only
works when the original code was issued under the straight GPL/LGPL.
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Sir, I quite
t; is this OSI approved? (versions 1.0 and 3.0 are, but this one not
>> listed anywhere on site)
>
> I don't know. Anyone? Bueller?
OSL 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, and 2.1 are all on the Archive. Since AFL and OSL
were always developed together and submitted together, I think it's
pretty sure it doesn't exist.
Yes, it would violate the OSD's anti-discrimination rules.
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the SISSL.
None of these have a place on the main list$, and do not appear on Karl's
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finally, is an argument good enough to convince 7 out of 12 OSI board
members; in practice, probably fewer.
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. Notably missing from your list are the "weak copyleft"
> licenses that are backed by large communities such as Mozilla and Eclipse.
If you are writing code for Mozilla or Eclipse, you already know what
license(s) to use, so this page doesn't help you any.
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lete, but omits the superseded and
retired licenses. I'd put those two categories, plus the non-reusable
licenses, into a third list at the bottom labeled "Licenses not
recommended for further use."
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Monday we watch-a Firefly'
in, and the SIL license doesn't magically come
> back.
Fonts are not documents. What's meant is that the license doesn't apply
to a document created using the font. Even if you put a full type specimen
into a document and then extracted the characters from it, you'd wind u
opt out of enforcing his patents,
but not out of obeying U.S. law, which either applies or it doesn't.
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Big as a house, much bigger than a house, it looked to [Sam], a grey-clad
moving hill. Fear and wonder, maybe, enlarged him in the hobbi
ng of the
process for deprecating licenses by the steward, though.
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Most people are much more ignorant about language than they are about
[other subjects], but they reckon that because they can talk and read and
write,
d raised the points of first sale and patent
exhaustion, but by the same token I doubt if pulling source code off
a website counts as a sale: there is neither an express nor an implied
contract here, I'd say.
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ctu from
patent lawsuits, etc. etc. This leads to a vast amount of wheel-reinvention,
but overall that is cheaper than defending lawsuits.
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Gervais, Mathieu scripsit:
> Is there any particular reason why CDDL1.1 and GPL2 _with classpath
> exception_ are not approved by the OSI ?
As far as I know, the license stewards have never proposed them.
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All "isms"
doctrine that our courts rejected. There is
still plenty of scope for national law at the boundaries of copyright,
even with near-universal Berne applicability.
Note to David: You're right, but Larry and I were speaking of U.S. law only.
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not grant the right to
copy, distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or prepare
derivative works.
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the law to say that all copyright
licenses are invalid unless the licensees are specific named legal persons.
That would pretty much destroy the whole FOSS movement.
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One time I called in to the central system and started working on a big
thick 's
he license approval process (see http://opensource.org/approval
for details), and should just go ahead with what you've got. If you
don't do it, no one else is likely to.
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Arise, you prisoners of Windows / Arise, you slaves of Re
were you is to construct such a license
using the MIT license and the attribution clause you want, carefully
tracking the language in the GPLv3. Then follow the process "For Approval"
at http://www.opensource.org/approval . IMHO you can reasonably ask for the
outside legal review to b
e in point about why a businessman who talks
> directly to salesman and believes what they say without investigation
> has a fool for a negotiator.
*shrug* Unbiased advice is always hard to come by.
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Infoset Unicod
performance? I can't see any common-law
jurisdiction ordering it.
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After
> intended it might have been in this particular case).
I don't take that as requiring replacement of all copies of the original
with the duplicate.
In short, this is not my favorite license, but I still think it's
compliant.
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d, maddening
beating of drums, and thin, monotonous whine of blasphemous flutes from
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and piping whereunto dance slowly, awkwardly, and absurdly the gigantic
tenebrous ultimate gods --the blind, voiceless, mindless gargoy
Luis Villa scripsit:
> Is there a full/formal list of those abbreviations somewhere? Would be
> useful to be able to point at. Thanks!
http://www.spdx.org/licenses/
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by moving th
he developer's fault.
In this case of NDISwrapper, the Windows drivers that it wraps are
licensed to run on the hardware they are being used on, since almost
every PC is licensed to run Windows whether it actually does so or not.
IANAL, TINLA.
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to that end are too powerful, however.
Clients don't normally communicate directly with servers: they use the
Internet infrastructure, which involves lots of proprietary hardware
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develop schemas is one of the simpleht
license categories they hope to downplay for business reasons (witness
> GoogleCode's exclusion of licenses that require attribution or those
> that trigger on use of code rather than distribution).
I think I can safely say I don't do that in my license wizard
<http://home.ccil.o
were
> approved during a particular period in the OSI's existence (I would
> guess 2000-2005?).
Fine in principle, but do you actually have examples of such licenses that
contravene the OSD? (About future revisions, of course, nothing can be said.)
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ments written by others, which may well be copyright
fraud. I'd stay a million miles away from that.
IANAL; TINLA; YYY.
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David Woolley scripsit:
> I believe that may be true in the USA. Running a computer program is
> restricted under UK copyright law.
Technically it is copying in the U.S. too, but there is an automatic license
to do such copying, as long as your possession of the software is lawful.
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efore using it with the software (making a photocopy)?
Sure, but it seems to me better to make that self-enforcing as a result of
using the right kinds of licenses on the content. The default assumption
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d be nice to say "If you disable this part of the
> system, you are restricted from using contributed components that
> require this functionality as a condition of your use".
You can't restrict how people use copyrighted works by reason of the
copyright alone: you can only cont
Kevin S. Clarke scripsit:
> > It would need separate approval, but I see nothing open source about it.
>
> Did you drop a "not" here? ;-)
;-)
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val, but I see nothing open source about it.
A more interesting question to my mind is, would it be GPL-compatible?
I think so, because it does not impose a restriction as such.
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e can debate the point,
> but there is no debate in the copyright sense.
Since none of the relevant licenses permits copying but forbids
derivative works (the QPL, exceptionally, forbids the *distribution*
of derivative works, but not their creation), this is a distinction
without a difference.
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