Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-10 Thread liebrecht
I thought we were asked to stop this? Please dont post in any of my other threads and I wont post in yours. It will keep the peace. I do not intend to continue this discussion in this thread unless provoked. Lets leave it at that and I will abide by the request to take this elsewhere. On

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-10 Thread David Kastrup
liebre...@grossmann-venter.com writes: > David Nalesnik had nothing to do with this, behaved well and to the > point and has been drawn into the mess you created because he signed > by the same name as you. > > Since I am big enough to apologize if I make a mistake. > When will you apologize for

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-10 Thread Karlin High
On 8/10/2018 8:35 AM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: When will you apologize My reading of David Kastrup's prior message finds that he already did apologize. Please drop the issue, or keep off-list for any further messages on it. -- Karlin High Missouri, USA

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-10 Thread liebrecht
David Nalesnik had nothing to do with this, behaved well and to the point and has been drawn into the mess you created because he signed by the same name as you. Since I am big enough to apologize if I make a mistake. When will you apologize for the mess you made on this thread for

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-10 Thread David Kastrup
liebre...@grossmann-venter.com writes: > Narcissism unfortunately never shows anything else in tbe > mirror. This post proves it. Go read all posts in chronological order > and then tell me who started the vitriol. Your little stabs and bites > for no reason just to get a reaction. Who do you

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread Karlin High
On 8/9/2018 5:47 PM, David Nalesnik wrote: This is a public forum. Great de-escalation! Working through issues with personal relations is best done off-list. -- Karlin High Missouri, USA ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread David Nalesnik
This is a public forum. On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 5:43 PM wrote: > > Narcissism unfortunately never shows anything else in tbe mirror. This > post proves it. Go read all posts in chronological order and then tell > me who started the vitriol. Your little stabs and bites for no reason > just to get

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
Narcissism unfortunately never shows anything else in tbe mirror. This post proves it. Go read all posts in chronological order and then tell me who started the vitriol. Your little stabs and bites for no reason just to get a reaction. Who do you think you are. Well now you get the reaction.

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread David Nalesnik
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 4:19 PM wrote: > > Congratulations, > Whatever. > Good luck. So much venom about drawing circles with slashes through them. You have made this the most unpleasant exchange I have ever taken part in on this list. I would invite you to be more civil in your future

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
Congratulations, Whatever. Good luck. On 2018-08-09 17:09, David Nalesnik wrote: On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:14 PM wrote: On 2018-08-09 14:32, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: > Neither of the snippets in this thread are under the GPL. Lilypond > itself is GPLv3, but LSR snippets are public domain

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread David Nalesnik
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:14 PM wrote: > > On 2018-08-09 14:32, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: > > > Neither of the snippets in this thread are under the GPL. Lilypond > > itself is GPLv3, but LSR snippets are public domain and David's code > > is MIT. If you are worried that you might be using the

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
Public domain works for me thanks. On 2018-08-09 15:42, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: On 08/09, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: You are right, the snippet is public domain and I rather follow that path than getting involved in mysterious MIT licenses. There's nothing particularly

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread mason
On 08/09, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > You are right, the snippet is public domain and I rather follow that path > than getting involved in mysterious MIT licenses. There's nothing particularly mysterious about the license. It is not a copyleft license, so unlike the GPL it does not

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
Thanks that confirms it is the one I already found. I will get on it. I guess as initial poster this problem is solved. Thanks to all who responded. On 2018-08-09 14:52, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: On 08/09, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: If you still remember, what is the name of

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
Mason, grep gave me this, I guess that would be it thanks. Unless you used something else let me know. ./lsr-snippets-all-2018-08-09/scheme-language/roman-numerals-for-analysis.ly Anyway, thanks for the kind help, I think I am on my way. ___

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
On 2018-08-09 14:32, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: Neither of the snippets in this thread are under the GPL. Lilypond itself is GPLv3, but LSR snippets are public domain and David's code is MIT. If you are worried that you might be using the latter in an objectional way, David N is the one you

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread David Kastrup
ma...@masonhock.com writes: > On 08/09, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > > Also, not that it matters in this context, I don't think that the GPL > requires you to return your modifications to the original author. Definitely not. For one thing, copyright allows arbitrary private use of

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread mason
On 08/09, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > If you still remember, what is the name of the snippet? The name is "Roman numerals for analysis" and this[1] is the link, although I can't promise that it will work any better with lyluatex. Mason [1] http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=710

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
On 2018-08-09 14:32, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: On 08/09, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: Mason, Although, you indicated you dont intend to continue with your code which is a pit, it is what I will have to use in the man time. Are you referring to the first link I shared? That was to

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread mason
On 08/09, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > Mason, > Although, you indicated you dont intend to continue with your code which is > a pit, it is what I will have to use in the man time. Are you referring to the first link I shared? That was to a snippet from the LSR. See here[1] for more

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
David, FYI "roman_numeral_analysis_tool.ily" does not work with lyluatex. I test all includes against the headers of the lyluatex manual as the headers contains everything I intend to use. So if an include doesnt work with lyluatex manual headers I dont use it. Attached is a file you can

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
David, FYI "roman_numeral_analysis_tool.ily" does not work with lyluatex. I test all includes against the headers of the lyluatex manual as the headers contains everything I intend to use. So if an include doesnt work with lyluatex manual headers I dont use it. Attached is a file you can

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-09 Thread liebrecht
This post is directed to Mason & Pierre Schneider Pierre, thank you for the following code. It was a great help to write a routine to do things the way I want it to display. I am a good programmer and decades long LaTeX user but not a TeX programmer, so your example helped me a lot to

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread mason
On 08/07, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > The problem has been solved by Mason The problem was pretty much entirely solved by David N. I'm glad that the very minor change I made got it closer to what you need, but you should thank him for writing the excellent \include. Sorry for

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread liebrecht
I thank you for the kind help and being to the point with a solution. You're a good competent person and I appreciate it. On 2018-08-07 15:07, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: On 08/07, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: The problem has been solved by Mason The problem was pretty much entirely

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread liebrecht
Quite frankly you were stabbing at me for no reason from onset. Even if I agreed with you, you kept stabbing. The problem has been solved by Mason and you keep harping along trying to look for anything to fight about. Since it is my thread I kindly request you not to respond to my posts

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread David Kastrup
David Nalesnik writes: >> On 2018-08-07 04:03, David Kastrup wrote: >> > >> > A license, as opposed to relying on people to stay nice, also protects >> > you against such worst case scenarios. >> > >> > Also many (but not necessarily all) code pieces from David may be >> > substantially derived

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread David Nalesnik
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:12 PM David Nalesnik wrote: > Good grief :( I selected the MIT license because it's very common, > and in the spirit of, as you write, "feel > free to use it, I don't care." > > Seems I'm not the only one--I read this in the openlilylib repo >

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread David Nalesnik
> On 2018-08-07 04:03, David Kastrup wrote: > > ma...@masonhock.com writes: > > > >> Then it's a good thing that David shared his code as free (as in > >> freedom[1]) software, so that it can be modified for your unique use > >> case. > > > > What's relevant for this is mostly "in source of an

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread David Kastrup
liebre...@grossmann-venter.com writes: > Unfortunately you overlooked one little point. > > From the author > " > But perhaps there's something in the code that you can use towards > your own goals. Like, for example,the routines for drawing the > diminished and half-diminished circles. > Like

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread liebrecht
Unfortunately you overlooked one little point. From the author " But perhaps there's something in the code that you can use towards your own goals. Like, for example,the routines for drawing the diminished and half-diminished circles. Like parsing input. Whatever. " Which gives the right

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread mason
Forgot to copy list. On 08/06, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: > On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > > Sure, but from a programming point of view it is better to have all > > characters the same size, then if in the exponent or subscript then shrink > > them. > > That makes sense when

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-07 Thread mason
On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > Sure, but from a programming point of view it is better to have all > characters the same size, then if in the exponent or subscript then shrink > them. That makes sense when rendering characters in general, which is what \markup is for and how

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
No problem at all. The old truth still stands. If you want to do it right do it yourself. On 2018-08-07 00:12, David Nalesnik wrote: On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 10:42 PM wrote: Righteo..that is the way Unix work. If you complain, then fix it yourself. Not going there. However, I did not

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread David Nalesnik
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 10:42 PM wrote: > > Righteo..that is the way Unix work. > > If you complain, then fix it yourself. Not going there. > > However, I did not complain, just pointed out that programming the > "general case" is always preferable and the prudent way. > I think you are

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
Righteo..that is the way Unix work. If you complain, then fix it yourself. However, I did not complain, just pointed out that programming the "general case" is always preferable and the prudent way. On 2018-08-06 23:19, David Nalesnik wrote: On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 9:01 PM wrote: Sure,

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread David Nalesnik
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 9:01 PM wrote: > > Sure, but from a programming point of view it is better to have all > characters the same size, then if in the exponent or subscript then > shrink them. That way you treat all characters equally and this question > as an example cannot arise. Just good

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
Sure, but from a programming point of view it is better to have all characters the same size, then if in the exponent or subscript then shrink them. That way you treat all characters equally and this question as an example cannot arise. Just good principle. It is my personal choice to use it

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread David Nalesnik
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 6:40 PM wrote: > > One last question, > > On Mason's insistence I used the other option > "roman_numeral_analysis_tool". I got it to work, but there were clashes > with some of my other includes, so I have to make some changes to avoid > clashes. Anyway that is my problem.

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
One last question, On Mason's insistence I used the other option "roman_numeral_analysis_tool". I got it to work, but there were clashes with some of my other includes, so I have to make some changes to avoid clashes. Anyway that is my problem. Is there any way to make the half-diminished

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
I placed it after mu version statement but it threw a lot of errors and clashed with about fifteen other calls in my file. I am not asking anyone to help me debug that, dont worry, I take your word for it it works, but it is a good example to add the compiled pdfs to the manual sources. If I

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread David Nalesnik
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 3:39 PM Karlin High wrote: > > On 8/6/2018 3:20 PM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > > You dont have pdf versions of the examples available ? > > I dont want to go through the process of installing a package and then > > find it is not what I need. > > Might be a

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread mason
On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > I dont want to go through the process of installing a package You don't need to install anything. Just put "roman_numeral_analysis_tool.ily" in the same directory as your lilypond file, and put \include "roman_numeral_analysis_tool.ily" in

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread David Nalesnik
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 3:33 PM wrote: > > Oh well yours look really great, I hope David's covers all the Analysis > symbols, but there is no way to know unless I install it. > > > > On 2018-08-06 15:56, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: > > On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > >> Where can

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread Karlin High
On 8/6/2018 3:20 PM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: You dont have pdf versions of the examples available ? I dont want to go through the process of installing a package and then find it is not what I need. Might be a good idea to include pdf versions with the source at this address so

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
Oh well yours look really great, I hope David's covers all the Analysis symbols, but there is no way to know unless I install it. On 2018-08-06 15:56, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: Where can I find the complete Symbol list? Your post basically

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
You dont have pdf versions of the examples available ? I dont want to go through the process of installing a package and then find it is not what I need. Might be a good idea to include pdf versions with the source at this address so others can quickly decide whether it is what they want.

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
\include like as used for Units in any standard programming language would be great. I will try. thanks. On 2018-08-06 15:59, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: It is a bit above my head to get involved in extensions, but how do I call this function

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread mason
On 08/06, David Nalesnik wrote: > Speaking of this snippet, I'll point you to the vastly reworked version here: > https://github.com/davidnalesnik/lilypond-roman-numeral-tool This looks great. Thank you! Mason signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread mason
On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > Where can I find the complete Symbol list? > Your post basically solved my problem, but I could not find a complete list > in the Lilypond Manual for Analysis. The snippet is not part of Lilypond itself, so it might not be documented in the

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread mason
On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > It is a bit above my head to get involved in extensions, but how do I call > this function you list in your post from a Lilypond file ? The simplest way to use it would be to copy/paste the scheme code into your Lilypond file and use it as it is

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
Mason, I think I will go with your suggestion as it does not seem Lilypond is capable of natively doing Analysis above the line. It is a bit above my head to get involved in extensions, but how do I call this function you list in your post from a Lilypond file ? Is there any example of a

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
Mason, Where can I find the complete Symbol list? Your post basically solved my problem, but I could not find a complete list in the Lilypond Manual for Analysis. On 2018-08-06 12:49, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: What I need is how to place

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
Yes that is pretty much it. I dont know if I am blind or gone silly lately but I cannot find it in the manual. On 2018-08-06 12:49, ma...@masonhock.com wrote: On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: What I need is how to place the Diminished symbol as text (the \emptyset symbol in

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread David Nalesnik
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 11:50 AM wrote: > > On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > > What I need is how to place the Diminished symbol as text (the \emptyset > > symbol in LaTeX) above the staff for progressions. Similar problem would be > > how to indicate the Classical Inversion

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Hi, 2018-08-06 18:35 GMT+02:00 : > Sorry I must be more specific, my needs were not stated properly in the > message although it is implied by "Symbol" and not chord or to create > notation. > Yep, see: http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html > What I need is how to place the Diminished

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread mason
On 08/06, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: > What I need is how to place the Diminished symbol as text (the \emptyset > symbol in LaTeX) above the staff for progressions. Similar problem would be > how to indicate the Classical Inversion symbols above the staff. Is this snippet similar to

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-06 Thread liebrecht
Sorry I must be more specific, my needs were not stated properly in the message although it is implied by "Symbol" and not chord or to create notation. What I need is how to place the Diminished symbol as text (the \emptyset symbol in LaTeX) above the staff for progressions. Similar problem

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-05 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Hi, the manual: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/chord-mode.html Half and diminished symbols: \version "2.19.82" \chords { c:min7.5- c:dim } List of symbols: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/the-feta-font.html HTH, cheers, Pierre 2018-08-06 6:54

Re: Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-05 Thread Brian Barker
At 00:54 06/08/2018 -0400, Nobody Noname wrote: Nowhere in the manual can I figure out what the commands are to get the half and diminished symbols in Lilypond. See http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/displaying-chords and

Lilypond & Halfdiminished/Diminished symbols.

2018-08-05 Thread liebrecht
Nowhere in the manual can I figure out what the commands are to get the half and diminished symbols in Lilypond. Would have been nice if I could just use the Latex commands but that didnt work. Should be easy, but I cant find it. Thanks