Re: [LINK] COVIDsafe app update requires location on

2020-08-10 Thread Kim Holburn
On 2020/08/10 9:38 pm, kheit...@kheitman.com wrote: > Last weekend I noticed it was not working - on opening it I was informed > that the app "requires" location to be set on in order to run. Yes. Bluetooth is considered by Google to be part of location services. I believe some places like

Re: [LINK] COVIDsafe app update requires location on

2020-08-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On 11/8/20 11:36 am, kheit...@kheitman.com wrote: Thanks Bernard, that's the answer. Specifically, https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing/blob/master/blog/2020-07-07IssueSummary.md#25--android-app-loses-location-permission-after-1039-update- I noticed this myself a couple of weeks back.

Re: [LINK] COVIDsafe app update requires location on

2020-08-10 Thread kheitman
Thanks Bernard, that's the answer. --- -- kheit...@kheitman.com.www.kheitman.com -- On 11/08/2020 9:30 am, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: Have a look at Issue

Re: [LINK] COVIDsafe app update requires location on

2020-08-10 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
Have a look at Issue 23 here: https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing#readme Jim Mussared and Vanessa Teague probably know more about this app than most people. brd On 11/08/2020 10:36 am, kheit...@kheitman.com wrote: > Yeah nah Scott. > Anyone else with actual experience of this app? > ---

Re: [LINK] COVIDsafe app update requires location on

2020-08-10 Thread kheitman
Yeah nah Scott. Anyone else with actual experience of this app? --- -- kheit...@kheitman.com.www.kheitman.com -- On 10/08/2020 10:59 pm, Scott Howard wrote:

Re: [LINK] COVIDsafe app update requires location on

2020-08-10 Thread Scott Howard
This isn't new. Android devices have always required applications that do any form of Bluetooth scanning to have the "Location" permission. This doesn't mean that they are collecting your location using GPS (although with this permission they could), but is done because Bluetooth scanning can be

[LINK] COVIDsafe app update requires location on

2020-08-10 Thread kheitman
Hi all, As one of the users of the Australian Government's COVIDsafe app from the outset, I've noticed two major updates since first download. The first was a few weeks ago, when I manually updated the app (there is no "update" function) - on download it now had more information screens and

[LINK] COVIDSafe app yet to trace useful number of unique cases despite second wave

2020-07-25 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
[The app is being downloaded (including updates) significantly fewer than 10,000/day COVIDSafe app yet to trace useful number of unique cases despite second wavehttps://www.smh.com.au/national/covidsafe-app-yet-to-trace-useful-number-of-unique-cases-despite-second-wave-20200725-p55fd7.html By

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe app

2020-07-15 Thread Stephen Loosley
Hmm .. a COVIDSafe app telling us when the covid virus was here recently would be popular “Apartment residents raise alarm over Victorian advice on communal areas” By Michael Fowler July 15, 2020

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe app

2020-07-15 Thread Stephen Loosley
In my opinion, the app should have more inclusive features. Rather than simply a contact alert, it needs environment warnings. By that I mean an alert to a recent lawful-presence, nearby, by one or more currently-registered covid-19 cases. Where cases are not locked down we make app-registration

[LINK] COVIDSafe app slammed as a “$2 million failure”

2020-07-14 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
[Since 27 June, CovideSafe has been downloaded about 9,000/day. The curve has flattened. COVIDSafe app slammed as a “$2 million failure” https://themarketherald.com.au/covidsafe-app-slammed-as-a-2-million-failure-2020-07-14/ * The Federal Government's COVIDSafe mobile app has come under recent

[LINK] COVIDSafe issues found by the tech community

2020-07-11 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
This is from GitHub, the contacts are Jim Mussared and Vanessa Teague. "This is the latest in a series of blog posts on automated contact tracing, especially (but not only) Australia's COVIDSafe app." COVIDSafe issues found by the tech community (7 July)

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe ‘extremely limited’: New research

2020-06-08 Thread Roger Clarke
On 9/6/20 11:10 am, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > [COVIDSafe is starting to look like yet another simple idea, badly (or > not at all), thought through. I wrote to Danham Sadler at 08:00, saying: > At a quick glance, the authors seem to have completely overlooked the question of whether the app

[LINK] COVIDSafe ‘extremely limited’: New research

2020-06-08 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
[COVIDSafe is starting to look like yet another simple idea, badly (or not at all), thought through. COVIDSafe ‘extremely limited’: New research https://www.innovationaus.com/covidsafe-extremely-limited-new-research/ Denham Sadler Senior Reporter 9 June 2020 The effectiveness of COVIDSafe is

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe app downloads update

2020-06-01 Thread David
On 31/05/2020 2:35 pm, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > It's the duplicity of the government that annoys me. Sometimes the full force > of the legal system crashes down on them (cf RoboDebt), but until the public > service learns the lessons I believe we have to keep hammering away at them, >

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe app downloads update

2020-05-31 Thread Frank O'Connor
Mmmm … From my experience they tend to hide behind catch-phrases like “World’s Best Practice” and award themselves self assessed gongs and appropriations, rather than face the simple truth that the vast majority of their IT projects are debacles and disasters. That said, the I find the fact

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe app downloads update

2020-05-30 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 31/05/2020 1:49 pm, Karl Schaffarczyk wrote: > So, people have lost interest. But what of it? It's the duplicity of the government that annoys me. Sometimes the full force of the legal system crashes down on them (cf RoboDebt), but until the public service learns the lessons I believe we have

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe app downloads update

2020-05-30 Thread Karl Schaffarczyk
: Bernard Robertson-Dunn > To: Link List > Subject: [LINK] COVIDSafe app downloads update > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 29 May, Scotty from marketing provided an update on the COVIDSafe > app downloads. He said that there had been over 6.1

[LINK] COVIDSafe app downloads update

2020-05-29 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 29 May, Scotty from marketing provided an update on the COVIDSafe app downloads. He said that there had been over 6.1 million downloads of the app. https://www.pm.gov.au/media/update-following-national-cabinet-meeting The previous update was on 24 May

[LINK] COVIDSafe may need privacy changes to use new Apple and Google tool

2020-05-21 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
COVIDSafe may need privacy changes to use new Apple and Google tool https://www.smh.com.au/technology/covidsafe-may-need-privacy-changes-to-use-new-apple-and-google-tool-20200521-p54v36.html SMH By Tim Biggs 21/May/2020 The new "exposure notification" technology rolled out on Thursday by Apple

[LINK] COVIDSafe app stats update

2020-05-19 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
According to the guardian more than 5.87 million COVIDSafe apps have been downloaded.since it went live a month ago. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/19/nsw-and-victoria-are-unable-to-use-covidsafe-apps-data-for-contact-tracing There was an update on 14 May, so anyone who has

[LINK] COVIDSafe update closes denial of service bug and makes notifications optional

2020-05-14 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
[Why did the government release what is obviously a beta version [well before the legislation had passed parliament? [And why is the Defence Minister making statements? [The contradictions and walk-backs are starting to look a lot [like Boris Johnsons' bumblings COVIDSafe update closes denial

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe a few observations

2020-05-10 Thread David Lochrin
On 2020-05-10 00:09, Karl Auer wrote: >> We are releasing the app code, but to ensure the privacy of individuals and >> integrity of the overall system, the code that relates to the COVIDSafe >> National Information Storage System will not be released. > > Why not? If it is secure, no amount

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe a few observations

2020-05-09 Thread Stephen Loosley
Karl writes, > .. believing that hiding the code will somehow protect the > system is dangerously, foolishly naive. Three words that pretty well > sum up the Australian Government's when it comes to large-scale IT. > >.. I have no faith whatsoever in the Government's ability to do anything >

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe a few observations

2020-05-09 Thread Karl Auer
On Sat, 2020-05-09 at 12:15 +, Stephen Loosley wrote: > Yes well, to me it might seem normal to at least wait till after the > first update to release/publish source code? If this were medicine, would you see it as appropriate to have administered the first 5 million doses to the public at

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe a few observations

2020-05-09 Thread David Lochrin
On 2020-05-09 21:39, Roger Clarke wrote: > It can be safely assumed that sanitisation has occurred before release. > No dead dogs, or dog-kicking apparatus, are likely to be found. On 2020-05-09 21:09, Stephen Loosley wrote: > On the other hand, and as promised, they have released the source

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe a few observations

2020-05-09 Thread Stephen Loosley
Roger writes, > "released ... fairly speedily"??? 13 days after release, after > 5m downloads and attempted installations??? Frankly, I >*wasn't* all that suspicious. But 13 days? Yes well, to me it might seem normal to at least wait till after the first update to release/publish source

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe a few observations

2020-05-09 Thread Roger Clarke
All in all the government doesn't seem to be pushing people very hard to download and use it [The App] or pinning its hopes on the thing. On 9/5/20 9:09 pm, Stephen Loosley wrote: ... Perhaps the government is feeling nervous after the NBN, RoboDebt, the Census, the medical records initiative,

Re: [LINK] COVIDSafe a few observations

2020-05-09 Thread David Lochrin
On 2020-05-08 16:22, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > In fact most of the scripted propaganda/adverts re COVIDSafe has come from > Professor Murphy, not the politicians > > All in all the government doesn't seem to be pushing people very hard to > download and use it [The App] or pinning its

[LINK] COVIDSafe a few observations

2020-05-08 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
A few observations, following the press conference this afternoon: COVIDSafe was released on Sunday 26 April. It was downloaded 2million times in the first two days. By the end of today (Friday) the government says it will have reached 5 Million downloads in 12 days. That means, after the

Re: [LINK] CovidSafe?

2020-04-28 Thread jwhit
fatt" To: link@mailman.anu.edu.au Cc: Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:47:54 +1000 Subject: Re: [LINK] CovidSafe? On 29/4/20 9:42 am, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > Good point. > > I wonder how much/fast data the app accumulates and what the impact > might be on the phone if it maxes out the

Re: [LINK] CovidSafe?

2020-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On 29/4/20 9:42 am, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: Good point. I wonder how much/fast data the app accumulates and what the impact might be on the phone if it maxes out the storage space? Do we know what language this app is written in? What libraries it utilises / links, if any? There's a

Re: [LINK] CovidSafe?

2020-04-28 Thread Karl Auer
On Wed, 2020-04-29 at 09:42 +1000, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > I wonder how much/fast data the app accumulates and what the impact > might be on the phone if it maxes out the storage space? > > Do we know what language this app is written in? What libraries it > utilises / links, if any? >

Re: [LINK] CovidSafe?

2020-04-28 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 28/04/2020 11:22 pm, Karl Auer wrote: > > I think the point is that they said one thing, but the app does > another. As anyone who knew anything about Bluetooth could > have told them (and I believe did in fact tell them). > Good point. I wonder how much/fast data the app accumulates and what

Re: [LINK] CovidSafe?

2020-04-28 Thread Karl Auer
On Tue, 2020-04-28 at 22:35 +1000, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > On 28/04/2020 6:23 pm, Kim Holburn wrote: > > > > 1.5 metres for 15 minutes > Nobody knows if this is appropriate. > > By recording all contacts, at least the government has the > ability/option to look at other values. > I

Re: [LINK] CovidSafe?

2020-04-28 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 28/04/2020 6:23 pm, Kim Holburn wrote: > 1.5 metres for 15 minutes Nobody knows if this is appropriate. By recording all contacts, at least the government has the ability/option to look at other values. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Canberra Australia email: b...@iimetro.com.au

[LINK] CovidSafe?

2020-04-28 Thread Kim Holburn
https://www.intothebloodstream.com.au/2020/04/covidsafe.html > The first iteration of Australia's contact tracing app seems to stack up, but > privacy concerns relating to future changes to the app, as well as > limitations on government data-use remain, with good reasons. I hope this >

[LINK] COVIDSafe stumbles

2020-04-26 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
Oh dear, not a good look, especially when the government wants people to trust them. And notice some media are using "tracking" rather than "tracing" Coronavirus tracking app that holds the key to ending lockdown gets off to a flying start with over a million downloads - but some users are told

Re: [LINK] CovidSafe available in Google Play. Register from 6:00pm

2020-04-26 Thread Stephen Loosley
Bernard writes, > The new app is called CovidSafe and details are available here > https://www.health.gov.au/resources/apps-and-tools/covidsafe-app If Fortress-Australia fails, and the following news item is correct, we will ALL NEED this Covid Safe application. Am I reading the future

[LINK] CovidSafe available in Google Play. Register from 6:00pm

2020-04-26 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
The government released a Coronavirus app a few weeks ago. It is called Coronavirus Australia and was a very simple app that only provided links to other sites and is available in the Google Play Store. The new app is called CovidSafe and details are available here