On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:06:03 -0500
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:30:39PM +0800, John
http://theinquirer.net/?article=12693
The picture is from IBM's ISSI (IBM Standard Software Installer)
application (the server of which runs on Linux). The list of software
for Linux is short, for Windows is VERY LONG. If you will note, the
list on the left includes Windows XP, 2000, NT, 95 and
I agree, but there is SmartSuite with, AFAIK, IBM has no intention
of porting to Linux. I don't know how many users there are outside
IBM, but I'd guess the market for SS on Linux is pretty miniscule
now. Back in the late 90s I might have bought it (but then, given
how well it ran on OS/2
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:30:39PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
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I'm sure there's a Microsoft
I exported my largest 123 for OS/2 spreadsheet as an XLS format, for import into OO.
Some of it survived. The charts did not
Bill
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Microsoft can no longer put those types of conditions in their contracts.
When existing contracts expire (and IBM's is up for renewal in mid-2004),
then the MS business partners will be allowed to sell pre-loaded operating
systems other than MS ones.
http://theinquirer.net/?article=12693
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:47:38 -0500
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On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:40:23AM +0800, John
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Jim Elliott wrote:
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:38:39 EST
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IMV it would be a Good Thing for IBM to ensure all its Windows
John Summerfield wrote:
Jim Elliott wrote:
IMV it would be a Good Thing for IBM to ensure all its Windows
desktop software runs under WINE. I'm sure the WINE project would
welcome the input, and I'm sure that IBM has the expertise to
resolve any problems, whether by changing WINE or by
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:21:24AM -0500, John R . Campbell wrote:
Seriously, though, if we had a WINE-like tool for Windows that
could run Linux Apps on Windows w/o recompilation... now THAT
might be far more interesting since Linux is far less unstable
an API to code for (i.e. no
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:30:39PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:40:23AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
IMV it would be a Good Thing for IBM to ensure all its Windows desktop
software runs under WINE. I'm sure the
IMV it would be a Good Thing for IBM to ensure all its Windows
desktop software runs under WINE. I'm sure the WINE project would
welcome the input, and I'm sure that IBM has the expertise to
resolve any problems, whether by changing WINE or by changing its
own software.
John:
I think this
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:40:23AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
IMV it would be a Good Thing for IBM to ensure all its Windows desktop
software runs under WINE. I'm sure the WINE project would welcome the
input, and I'm sure that IBM has the expertise to resolve any problems,
whether by
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 00:35, Jim Elliott wrote:
Why are we using Linux on the desktop? In many cases because our jobs
are very related to Linux (application development, IGS, sales). In
other cases because the IBMer wanted to try new technology.
I switched to a Linux workstation only
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33923.html
Can those working for IBM confirm that IBM believes this? I would
find it much more convicing if I heard that IBM is using it thus,
best if it's the preferred desktop.
Well I don't know what you want us to confirm. Sam's comments as
reported
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Jim Elliott wrote:
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:40:41 EST
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33923.html
Can those
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On Wednesday 12 November 2003 10:33, you wrote:
is it used in preference to Windows? AIX? etc.
Well, I for one certainly prefer Linux to Windows.
I'll second that. In my 2 years of desktop Linux (SuSE), mainly
administrative tasks and z/OS and z/VM monitoring, I'm happy. The only
thing I
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 09:45, Joe Poole wrote:
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 10:33, you wrote:
is it used in preference to Windows? AIX? etc.
Well, I for one certainly prefer Linux to Windows.
I'll second that. In my 2 years of desktop Linux (SuSE), mainly
administrative tasks and z/OS
My biggest frustration about the Linux ready for the desktop is that
IBM's home/home office page still does not have Linux as an OS
option. (Dell and Getyway, the last time I checked don't either.) Until
IBM takes the plunge and PROVIDES Linux on the desktop it is hard to
convice users that it
I have to add that until I can run the latest Notes client either natively
on linux or under wine the desktop is not ready for prime time.
Notes is an IBM product and if they aren't going to enable the Notes
client for Linux then IBM is implicitly communicating that Linux is not
ready for the
About a year and a half ago, IBM (and I want to say Dell) sold laptops
and desktops with Linux installed. I still have the IBM catalogs
Then Dell pulled their Linux option. Seems Microslop said that
offering another operating system was in violation of the agreement for
Premier Business
IFF what you need is a Unix desktop, then Linux is ready.
When I started with BMC in late Spring of 1995,
the resources available to me were a bit limitted:
I had a 31xx series (IBM, coax) terminal. But while that was fine
for my VM tasks, it didn't facilitate my Unix responsibilities.
Next I
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About a year and a half ago, IBM (and I want to say Dell) sold
laptops
and desktops with Linux installed. I still have the IBM
catalogs
Then Dell pulled their Linux option. Seems Microslop said that
offering another operating system
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 11:57, Richard Troth wrote:
This is not perfect. (Linux is not ready?) I am looking for a
better e-mail program. I *like* MS Outlook. Would be using Outlook
if I could get the native Win/2K partition (SCSI) attached to a VMware
guest. (SCSI issues with physical
Tried Ximian Evolution?
Yep.
1.2 comes with the KDE 3.1 (SuSE 8.2 or so) that I am running.
It gets a little funky if my evolution directory is on NFS. Bad.
I have tried pulling down sources to 1.4.x. No joy. It's just CVS,
but I haven't gotten the download automated. I know there are
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On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 12:41, John Cassidy wrote:
Hello all,
until the Open Source community come up with something that at
least looks like Lookout or Express Lookout, a lot of people will stay
with the devil they know. Human beings are... human beings, and until they
get such an
John Cassidy wrote:
Hello all,
until the Open Source community come up with something that at
least looks like Lookout or Express Lookout, a lot of people will stay
with the devil they know. Human beings are... human beings, and until they
get such an equivalent from the Linux (Unix)
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David - true - Notes R5 runs very well under Linux/Wine. It was
Notes 6 (the latest and greatest) that I was referring to. I
complained during the early support program for 6.0 and for 6.5 with
no success as it was not a priority for them.
I have been told that 6.5 works under the current
That is the kind of thing I was hoping someone would say (though I
didn't really expect it!).
Thanks.
Saying, Linux is ready for the desktop, is one thing, but Linux
is ready for the desktop _and we're using it_ are very different
statements.
Note that we do not believe Linux is ready for
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Richard Troth wrote:
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:57:52 -0600
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IFF what you need is a Unix desktop, then Linux is ready
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Jim Elliott wrote:
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:31:23 EST
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David - true - Notes R5 runs very well under Linux/Wine
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Jim Elliott wrote:
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:35:26 EST
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That is the kind of thing I was hoping someone would say
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, John Summerfield wrote:
I've heard OOo has better compatibility, though I've no tried it yet.
I meant to say, OOo 1.1.
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David - true - Notes R5
I was at an IBM roadshow recently, where IBM talked about Linux
virtual srvers, new IBM storage technology and lots of other stuff.
Not a mention of Linux on the desktop, and as far as I could find
out, none of the IBM folk there new anything about it. I did ask,
and I asked some of the same
I've got Notes 6.5 and a SuSE 8.2 system with the latest version of
wine (as far as I know) and I was unable to install Notes 6.5 under
it (and I tried using both the last beta and then the gold release
candidate and then the posted gold code all with the same lack of
success).
Lionel:
The
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Jim Elliott wrote:
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:03:50 EST
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I was at an IBM roadshow recently, where IBM talked about Linux
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33923.html
Can those working for IBM confirm that IBM believes this? I would find
it much more convicing if I heard that IBM is using it thus, bestif it's
the preferred desktop.
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