Here's a few more:
http://www.squeak.org/
http://toontalk.com/ (which we use in WebLabs - http://www.weblabs.eu.com)
http://csis.pace.edu/~bergin/karel.html and
http://xkarel.sourceforge.net/eng/
And of course, the queen mother of educational languages,
Quoting Yishay Mor, from the post of Wed, 09 Feb:
Here's a few more:
http://www.squeak.org/
http://toontalk.com/ (which we use in WebLabs - http://www.weblabs.eu.com)
http://csis.pace.edu/~bergin/karel.html and
http://xkarel.sourceforge.net/eng/
And of course, the queen mother of
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 21:18, Micha Feigin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:03:41 +0200
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 18:04, Micha Feigin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:52:14 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yedidyah Bar-David) wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26,
Take a look at processing: www.processing.org. It was designed to teach
programming to artists, but in the end you end up learning Java. It's
free, and it runs under Linux.
If you do install it, take a look at the examples to see how easy it is
to code up very impressive results.
The big plus is
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 21:38:06 +0200
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 21:18, Micha Feigin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:03:41 +0200
[ ... snip ... ]
Worked a bit with PDL and it was nice, IIRC there is a similar extension
to python, but I have no
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Wed, 26 Jan:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 04:28:12PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
first also makes people use c++ as a functional language instead of as an OO
language.
Just to get the terminology right: I figure you meant procedural.
every 9-12 months,
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 10:25:58AM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote:
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Wed, 26 Jan:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 04:28:12PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
first also makes people use c++ as a functional language instead of as an
OO
language.
Just to get
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:52:14 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yedidyah Bar-David) wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 10:25:58AM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote:
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Wed, 26 Jan:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 04:28:12PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
first also makes people
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 18:04, Micha Feigin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:52:14 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yedidyah Bar-David) wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 10:25:58AM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote:
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Wed, 26 Jan:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 04:28:12PM
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 06:04:30PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:52:14 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yedidyah Bar-David) wrote:
And, may I add, has a nice, free book, called Learning with Python.
Maybe not as deep as Structure and Interpretation ..., but not bad
either.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:03:41 +0200
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 18:04, Micha Feigin wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:52:14 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yedidyah Bar-David) wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 10:25:58AM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote:
Quoting
Micha Feigin wrote:
Not to insult anyone, but I think physics is science and engineering is
implenation is closer to the relation between CS and Programing then musicology
is a science and music is art ;-)
Hey, no problem - I think engineering can be an art form too! :-)
You need to be careful
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005, Danny Lieberman wrote about Re: Looking for a viable
alternative to MS access.:
1. musicians practice all the time and learn by emulating other
performers as part of their theoretical studies
2. CS student who emulate are thrown out for cheating (hackers emulate)
#2
At Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:40:12 +0200,
Shlomi Fish wrote:
We are getting dangerously off-topic here. (not that I mind).
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:05, Micha Feigin wrote:
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:33:20 +0200,
Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 12:59:15PM +0200, Danny
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Micha Feigin wrote:
When I started at least it was taught as the second language after scheme.
From
doing later projects with people I can tell you it caused a lot of
misunderstandings and bad coding habits, especially the pointer stuff.
Learning c
first also makes
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:33:20 +0200 (IST)
guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Micha Feigin wrote:
When I started at least it was taught as the second language after
scheme. From doing later projects with people I can tell you it
caused a lot of misunderstandings and
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 04:28:12PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
first also makes people use c++ as a functional language instead of as an OO
language.
Just to get the terminology right: I figure you meant procedural.
Fuctional language is the CS term for a language in which functions
are pure
Tazahi
I've been following this thread and I wanted to shed a different light:
I'm not a Microsoft advocate but lets get the facts straight:
a. MS Access developer is free in Office
b. The Academic licenses for Office are about 30% of the commercial MOLP
which is about 20% of the single unit list
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:55:13AM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote:
Tazahi
I've been following this thread and I wanted to shed a different light:
I'm not a Microsoft advocate but lets get the facts straight:
a. MS Access developer is free in Office
Not exactly. It is built into Office
Didi
1. FYI - Jet is totally separate from the Access developer - you can
ship and distribute a Jet runtime (which is a bunch of DLL's basically)
free of charge for any Windows o/s
2. imho - Access Basic can be part of a 1 trimester course on
programming languages which should cover a number
-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:55 AM
To: Tzahi Fadida
Cc: 'Oded Arbel'; linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.
Tazahi
I've been
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:57:32AM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote:
2. imho - Access Basic can be part of a 1 trimester course on
programming languages which should cover a number of modern languages -
like php, java, javascript, Lisp (not scheme)
Ok, I'll bite - why lisp and not scheme?
I
Tzahi Fadida wrote:
There are several free open-source projects on the web,
however from the looks of it none are comparable to
ms access.
So the next best thing is to use some webservice combined
with some database language. I was thinking about
PHP+RUBY RAILS for the db forms + POSTGRESQL.
Any
@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.
Tzahi Fadida wrote:
There are several free open-source projects on the web,
however from
the looks of it none are comparable to ms access.
So the next best thing is to use some webservice combined
with some
Tzahi Fadida wrote:
10x,
However there seems to be a problem with windows:
Windows - Gambas interpreter and compiler now compiles on CygWin but
not components. This problem is under investigation. Note that programs
without GUI can work.
I wan't aware that Window was a requirement. My bad.
kind
Danny Lieberman wrote:
Tazahi
I've been following this thread and I wanted to shed a different light:
I'm not a Microsoft advocate but lets get the facts straight:
a. MS Access developer is free in Office
No, it might not cost money but it is certianly not Free. :-)
b. The Academic licenses for
muli
Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS
dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-)
ok - university is about learning to learn but interesting and
relevant is usually a personal thing for a student.
Unfortunately - employers want people who know how to work
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 12:59:15PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote:
muli
Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS
dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-)
LISP is a family of languages, not one language. If one is to learn
LISP today they will probably learn
On Monday 24 January 2005 12:59, you wrote:
muli
Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS
dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-)
LISP is not really one language, but a family of languages. It includes
Scheme, Common LISP, Goo, historical variants such as
On Monday, 24 January 2005 12:11, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Tzahi Fadida wrote:
An idea, can I compile rekall on cygwin? and not be in violation of
its license when I'll use it in the gov offices without paying the
company?
You could - its GPLed, so you can compile it, modify it,
Danny Lieberman wrote:
There is something very wrong with the system when a CS grad needs 1-2
years of industry experience to be able to program whereas
a first year student at the Rubin Academy of music can sit in any ANY
ensemble, sight read and make music.
Professional muscians practice 3-6
On Monday, 24 January 2005 13:40, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Monday 24 January 2005 12:59, you wrote:
muli
Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU
CS dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-)
LISP is not really one language, but a family of languages. It
includes
Gilad
No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to
work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-)
In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Musicologist - they
perform theoretical study of the field and are equally likely to be
proficient
Danny Lieberman wrote:
No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to
work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-)
In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Musicologist - they
perform theoretical study of the field and are equally likely to
On Monday 24 January 2005 16:30, Danny Lieberman wrote:
Gilad
No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to
work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-)
In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Musicologist - they
perform theoretical
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:59:15 +0200,
Danny Lieberman wrote:
muli
Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS
dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-)
ok - university is about learning to learn but interesting and
relevant is usually a personal thing for a
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:55:13 +0200,
Danny Lieberman wrote:
Tazahi
I've been following this thread and I wanted to shed a different light:
I'm not a Microsoft advocate but lets get the facts straight:
a. MS Access developer is free in Office
b. The Academic licenses for Office are
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:33:20 +0200,
Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 12:59:15PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote:
muli
Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS
dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-)
LISP is a family of languages, not
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:57:32 +0200,
Danny Lieberman wrote:
Didi
1. FYI - Jet is totally separate from the Access developer - you can
ship and distribute a Jet runtime (which is a bunch of DLL's basically)
free of charge for any Windows o/s
2. imho - Access Basic can be part of a 1
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:05:18 +0200,
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Danny Lieberman wrote:
No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to
work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-)
In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Musicologist
At Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:25:56 +0200,
Vasiliev Michael wrote:
On Monday 24 January 2005 16:30, Danny Lieberman wrote:
Gilad
No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to
work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-)
In other words; a
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 04:30:03PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote:
Gilad
No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to
work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-)
In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Musicologist - they
perform
We are getting dangerously off-topic here. (not that I mind).
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:05, Micha Feigin wrote:
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:33:20 +0200,
Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 12:59:15PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote:
muli
Lisp is the language of Autocad -
There are several free open-source projects on the web,
however from the looks of it none are comparable to
ms access.
So the next best thing is to use some webservice combined
with some database language. I was thinking about
PHP+RUBY RAILS for the db forms + POSTGRESQL.
Any other suggestions?
There are several free open-source projects on the web,
however from the looks of it none are comparable to
ms access.
So the next best thing is to use some webservice combined
with some database language. I was thinking about
PHP+RUBY RAILS for the db forms + POSTGRESQL.
Any other suggestions?
Tzahi Fadida wrote:
There are several free open-source projects on the web,
however from the looks of it none are comparable to
ms access.
snip
Important requirements for the pro bono project:
the tools Must be Free and not only Open Source.
Hebrew interface, hebrew db support.
MUST run also on a
...On Behalf Of Oded Arbel
Tzahi Fadida wrote:
There are several free open-source projects on the web, however from
the looks of it none are comparable to ms access.
snip
Important requirements for the pro bono project:
the tools Must be Free and not only Open Source.
Hebrew
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